Nevada State GOP Rejects Offer for Turnkey Convention

[jasonhlasvegas2008]

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/05/20/state/n095258D25.DTL&type=printable

Ron Paul advocates say a Reno hotel-casino room big enough for nearly 1,400 Nevada Republicans is available June 7 for completion of a state GOP convention that ended in chaos April 26, but a party official says that won't work.

The state party plans to reconvene somewhere in Reno in the next several weeks to complete the event abruptly shut down prior to final votes on what was turning into a Nevada delegation to a national convention with more backers for Paul than presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain.

Zach Moyle, the state party's executive director, said Tuesday the idea is "to maximize participation, not to pick a random rate," and various dates and locations still are being considered with that goal in mind.

Jeff Greenspan, southwest regional coordinator for the Paul campaign, said an anonymous Republican donor in the Reno area told the state GOP that a large room at the Grand Sierra Resort had been booked to complete the convention on June 7.

Greenspan said the Paul campaign wasn't responsible for the donation, and saw it as "a great opportunity" to wrap up the convention. But Moyle said the party is doing its own legwork and doesn't intend to use the Grand Sierra Resort.

Moyle has said that completing the convention by mid-June would be good, but the goal of a big turnout is more important even if it means the event can't occur until some time in July.

Ron Paul backers were upset by the recess at the April 26 convention and expressed concern about getting fair treatment when it resumes. Party leaders have insisted the Paul supporters won't be disenfranchised.

Greenspan has said supporters of the Texas congressman will turn out in force for the rest of the convention, adding that the big concern is that the 31-member national convention delegation not be picked in secret.

State Sen. Bob Beers, R-Las Vegas, who chaired the convention, has said it would have taken several hours more to complete work April 26 on the national convention delegation, and "we were on overtime on our contract for our convention space."

The shutdown ended a long day that pitted outnumbered supporters of McCain against well-organized Paul supporters who managed to get a rule change positioning them for more national convention delegate slots than expected.

State GOP Chairwoman Sue Lowden has said the rules change wasn't anticipated. She denied any anti-Paul bias, saying expected slates of national delegates were prepared through a fair process and the party thought the convention would accept them.

Mitt Romney, now campaigning for McCain, got 52 percent in Nevada's GOP precinct straw polls in January, while McCain and Paul split a quarter of the votes.

[pepperpete1]

Per Roberts Rules......a reconvening after a recess the session picks up where it left off.
NO DO OVERS!

[Lucille]

“The power does not belong to the voter. It belongs to the one who counts the votes.”
--Joseph Stalin

How a GOP conspiracy continues to cheat Ron Paul (http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/how-a-gop-conspiracy-continues-to-cheat-ron-paul/)

Update: Robespierre wants the names of those conspirators! (http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/robespierre-wants-the-names-of-those-conspirators/)

[MozoVote]

I wonder if the anonymous donor will respond to the decline... negotiate a different site for every weekend in June and July... Let the NVGOP have their pick!

[OptionsTrader]

When in the hell is the rescheduled event?

[slacker921]

I wonder if the anonymous donor will respond to the decline... negotiate a different site for every weekend in June and July... Let the NVGOP have their pick!

Doubt it.. the point was to force them to hurry the process and not give them time to organize their troops. They'll drag their feet as long as possible so they can figure out ways to cheat and win. This confirms that. There's no other reason that they would turn down a free convention other than to stall the process.

My guess is the anonymous donor knew all along that they wouldn't go for it, and decided to force the issue and show the public what kind of organization the Nevada GOP really is. If they aren't trying to figure out a way for McCain to win the majority of delegates then they would be doing the convention last weekend or two or three weekends ago.

[MozoVote]

Currently 31% on Robert Halloway's ad to shame the NVGOP

http://www.nevadahomeowners.org/convention.html

[brandon]

At this point the NV Paul campaign should be attempting to establish a quorum and hold the convention without the establishment.

[WRellim]

Per Roberts Rules......a reconvening after a recess the session picks up where it left off.
NO DO OVERS!

Bah! Since the "Recess" itself violated RRoONR... what makes you think that will stop them?

The whole thing will be "scripted" this time -- that's the reason for the delay, getting the script written and the "actors" drilled to hit their marks -- so they can push through ANOTHER "rule-change" ("I have a motion to BLAH-DE-BLAH-BLAH, and a second... all-in-favor-sayAYE... all-opposed-the-AYES-have-it...gavel!" ) and then perform the quick "do-over" !

See you jess gotta lern how ta do dese tings right, hey?

(The A-holes that use tactics like that... are PROUD OF THEMSELVES... you have to realize that, and the only way to STOP it is to not allow them to run meetings.)


(And yes, I *WISH* that I was joking... but alas, just wait and see).

[Perry]

I wonder what sort of assistance the Nevada GOP is receiving from the national GOP?
I haven't been following this too closely but there is no doubt in my mind the evil half of the GOP is working and plotting around the clock. They probably have a think tank locked in a dark room somewhere.

[RonPaul2000Ate]

What's a turkey convention, like one on thanksgiving?

[AJ Antimony]

What's stopping the delegates from assembling on their own with a quorum?

[jasonhlasvegas2008]

We had maybe 40% of attendees. We actually tried to establish a quorum a few minutes after the convention was illegally recessed, but could not. Without the "legitimacy" of the Nevada State GOP leadership setting the date, time, and location of the 2nd half of the convention the likelihood of reaching quorum is slim.

[HOLLYWOOD]

The longer the NVGOP delays... the MORE subversive tactics and obstruction can be expected. the 60% McCain and other attendance with make massive objections and filibustering at the reconvene.

DO we have any insiders to what the NVGOP is planning? The RULES must be UPHELD and ENFORCED... but I presume the NVGOP/McCain Campaign are looking for legal LOOPHOLES and trying every route NOT to enforce their own rules. LOOK for BIASED changes in the future.

The NVGOP is borderline felony elections tampering... as others stated on the thread, NO DO-OVERS... when the reconvened date and place are set... WE RESUME from that point.

[Eric21ND]

Couldn't you guys send out official looking invitations to everyone and make sure ALL Ron Paul show up, so that when any others show up immediately take action.

Or maybe send out the invitations and try to attract the fence sitters/weak McCain supporters and then continue the proceedings or get it over with. You would think that a lot of those people were just as upset seeing as they'd have to gather again and waste time/money.

[acptulsa]

What's a turkey convention, like one on thanksgiving?

Don't know, but back when they sold "kit cars" (sports car bodies for Volkswagons) in either unassembled or assembled form. The assembled ones were called "turnkey" because the average person could actually expect turning the key to do something within the first nine months or so. The word stuck better than kit cars did...

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Couldn't you guys send out official looking invitations to everyone and make sure ALL Ron Paul show up, so that when any others show up immediately take action.

Or maybe send out the invitations and try to attract the fence sitters/weak McCain supporters and then continue the proceedings or get it over with. You would think that a lot of those people were just as upset seeing as they'd have to gather again and waste time/money.

>Or maybe send out the invitations and try to attract
>the fence sitters/weak McCain supporters

I ike that idea.

I suspect the "leadership" may not reconvene at all unless they're fairly certain they can disenfranchise Paul supporters.

[amonasro]

I just really can't figure out why they're not willing to give Paul ANY delegates. Absolutely no leeway in any state. None. They fight tooth-and-nail so he will have 10-20 less delegates at the convention? Doesn't make sense to waste that kind of time and energy. Many of them would have to vote McCain on the first ballot anyway!

What in the world could they be worried about...?

Is McCain such a weak candidate that the Convention has to be a big party for him?

Are the neocons so afraid of letting Paul speak at the Convention? Are they so afraid of traditional Republican values?

All this tells me that the political rabbit hole goes deeper than I ever thought.

[ronpaulhawaii]

This thread has been added to the State Convention Documentation WIKI (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=138231)

Everyone is encouraged to edit in their documentation

Thanks

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Can't we just rump it?

[puppetmaster]

We had maybe 40% of attendees. We actually tried to establish a quorum a few minutes after the convention was illegally recessed, but could not. Without the "legitimacy" of the Nevada State GOP leadership setting the date, time, and location of the 2nd half of the convention the likelihood of reaching quorum is slim.


As long as we can get 650 or so delegates in the room we can continue.. without thier blessing

[Fyretrohl]

Okay...So, if we DID Rump the National Convention, exactly WHO would decide which convention was the REAL one?

[Dequeant]

First order of business should be to elect a new chairman. After that we'll be able to run the table on them cheatin bastards!

[MGreen]

The convention will probably be scheduled to continue on July 12. >_>

[brooklyn]

I just really can't figure out why they're not willing to give Paul ANY delegates. Absolutely no leeway in any state. None. They fight tooth-and-nail so he will have 10-20 less delegates at the convention? Doesn't make sense to waste that kind of time and energy. Many of them would have to vote McCain on the first ballot anyway!

What in the world could they be worried about...?

Is McCain such a weak candidate that the Convention has to be a big party for him?

Are the neocons so afraid of letting Paul speak at the Convention? Are they so afraid of traditional Republican values?

All this tells me that the political rabbit hole goes deeper than I ever thought.

Remember the emperors new clothes? They dont want Paul speaking true conservative values while their poster child stands there scratching his head and thinking " fiscal, deficit, monetary values, economics, gold standard- what the hell is this guy talking about" my friends?

[Eric21ND]

I say you guys organize and get ALL Ron Paul people there and also try to attract weak McCain/Romney people. Even if you can't officially take over the convention it would make the state GOP look weak avoiding the proceeding and having to make up lies to excuse their absence. Play hardball guys, and embarrass these fools. What would they tell the media if you guys rented the room and had everything ready to go and they are somewhere hiding under a rock.