YouTube Video - Libertarianism, Ron Paul, and why Kucinich sucks

[LibertyOrDie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZh0IdXSiPk

[Buggan]

That video was really good! I totally agree.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Agreed. And what most people don't think about is that Libertarians are only against state entitlements, Libertarians support private entitlements. Private charity does do it better, government is infamous in mismanagement and inefficiency.

[AlexAmore]

Now get one to show why Mike Gravel supporters need to convert to Ron Paulism.

[NewEnd]

*sigh*

Kucinich does not suck.
And saying so does not help your cause.
Keep it positive. Say Kucinich is cool, but Paul is better.

Thare are candidates who deserve scorn and war, like Giuliani and Clinton

and then there are those who deserve diplomacy, like Gravel and Kucinich.
We need to unite, not divide.

I hope this all makes sense.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Kucinich kind of looks like an alien, anyone concur? :D

[Brandybuck]

Kucinich does not suck. But many of his positions do suck. He is a very honest man, the only other person in congress that can hold a candle to Ron Paul. But he's still terribly wrong on so many issues. Mr. Kucinich looks to the state to solve society's problems, when most of our problems are caused by the state itself.

[tnvoter]

I think it would have been better said, comparing Ron Paul to be called the Kucinich of the republicans, sucks. Because although they're both very open minded and smart people, they both have very opposite opinions on a lot of things.

[literatim]

...that was just offensive to much of the Republican paleo-conservative base including myself. Plus that political chart sucks. 'Democrat' and 'Republican' are not ideologies.

Now, paleo-conservatism is, so is neo-conservatism, and marxism.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Libertarianism is an ideology. It was a chart of American politics, RP is really a Libertarian running for a Neo-Con controlled party.

[qednick]

I believe Kucinch and RP are good friends. Kucinich loses it with me though on gun control. He introduced a total handgun ban bill the day after Va Tech. :mad:

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Yeah, that's stupid. People would still be able to buy weapons at higher prices via blackmarket, so what difference does it make?

[cujothekitten]

I dig chaddag (he's a pretty popular youtuber) but he's not the best at discussing politics. He's actually one of the "youtube atheists" and most of them support Ron Paul so that's cool.

[qednick]

Yeah, that's stupid. People would still be able to buy weapons at higher prices via blackmarket, so what difference does it make?

Actually blackmarket handguns have remained very cheap in Britain after their total handgun ban. So much so that many elementary school kids can afford to buy them and take them to school. Even school teachers there are now asking for bullet proof/knife proof vests just so they go to work and teach:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/27/nweek127.xml

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Actually blackmarket handguns have remained very cheap in Britain after their total handgun ban. So much so that many elementary school kids can afford to buy them and take them to school. Even school teachers there are now asking for bullet proof/knife proof vests just so they go to work and teach:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/27/nweek127.xml

Still cheap? wow... usually the prices begin to get inflated once something is banned.

[qednick]

All is obviously not well in gun-free Utopia:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/10/nvest10.xml


And when things get so bad that you have to put up razor wire around your house, you know you should've never banned guns or self-defense:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/6603851.stm

[JosephTheLibertarian]

All is obviously not well in gun-free Utopia:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/10/nvest10.xml


And when things get so bad that you have to put up razor wire around your house, you know you should've never banned guns or self-defense:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/6603851.stm

That's what happens when you elect politicians that don't know anything about anything other than lockstepping with their party. :D

[qednick]

Still cheap? wow... usually the prices begin to get inflated once something is banned.

They come in really cheap from Eastern Europe. About GBP50 (approx $100) will buy a handgun on the black market. Of course, even if they banned guns worldwide, you can still make your own without any machining tools:

http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/

I think it pretty much proves that gun-control will never work.

[qednick]

Well, I think we all know now that Britain banned handguns, then installed millions of CCTV cameras everywhere (including ones with speakers and microphones), then started fingerprinting children, then started to build the world's largest DNA database and are now introducing mandatory ID cards and tracking every single vehicle everywhere it goes in the country via GPS satellite.

Then I just read this in today's news:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;?xml=/news/2007/05/27/nterror127.xml

Another step closer to a totalitarian state. If we don't do something about it, the US will be next folks! :mad:

[DjLoTi]

Now get one to show why Mike Gravel supporters need to convert to Ron Paulism.

It's going to be more then just 'Mike Gravel'

It's going to be the ENTIRE LIBERALIZATION

to the Ron Paulination !!!!!!!!

[Brandybuck]

Dear Liberals,

Your movement has been taken over by authoritarian socialists. Just thought you might like to know.

Sincerely,

Classic Liberal

[Shmuel Spade]

Still cheap? wow... usually the prices begin to get inflated once something is banned.

They do, and in all honesty even in this case they did. You'll really only notice if you have some concept of the originary price. In these case the originary prices are very low relative to the income of an average Englishman, or American. Prices are driven up by the artificial scarcity. If ever there is a period when the artificial scarcity can be overcome (e.g. paying off the prohibitionists to get the product in, finding a hole in the security checks, an increase in particular productivity behind the wall of restriction, etc.) prices will lower as a result of that cost barrier being removed. Competition further decreases the prices.

The same thing can be seen here in regards to the prohibited drugs. Prices fluctuate with the availability of product (high supply in this case), and in spite of the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted on the irrational, evil, freedom destroying War on some Drugs (in reality a war on people), prices of the most popular drugs (e.g. cannabis, cocaine, heroine, LSD) have fallen decade-over-decade when adjusted for inflation. This only further highlights the absolute abject failure of the War on some Drugs, that supply is even higher today than it was when the "war" was first started. And you know the government approach to failure: Throw more (stolen) money at it! Throw more men at it! Throw more powerful weapons and tactics at it! In contrast to a business on the market which would simply fold up shop.

In the US, as in all other places, high prices are a signal to producers that there is a profit to be made, and so induces them to increase the supply of the product. This is why the supply is high here. With high supply comes lower prices. So from the beginning: The government is the cause of the high drug prices, as their efforts at prohibition are only to be considered as an added cost of business; The high prices attract suppliers; The high supply brings prices back down. At the root: government. Now tell that to the "drug czar" :cool:

Also when it comes to guns, here in the US all kinds of extra costs are tacked on to what should essentially be quite affordable. In the form of taxes, restrictions, licenses, notifications, authorizations, and defensive pricing (lawsuits and all that). In a free market I can't imagine an AR-15 costing more than about $50.

[Shmuel Spade]

They come in really cheap from Eastern Europe. About GBP50 (approx $100) will buy a handgun on the black market. Of course, even if they banned guns worldwide, you can still make your own without any machining tools:

http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/

I think it pretty much proves that gun-control will never work.

I gave a link to this article by Dave Kopel yesterday: A World Without Guns (http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120501.shtml)

[angelatc]

Well, I think we all know now that Britain banned handguns, then installed millions of CCTV cameras everywhere (including ones with speakers and microphones), then started fingerprinting children, then started to build the world's largest DNA database and are now introducing mandatory ID cards and tracking every single vehicle everywhere it goes in the country via GPS satellite.

Then I just read this in today's news:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;?xml=/news/2007/05/27/nterror127.xml

Another step closer to a totalitarian state. If we don't do something about it, the US will be next folks! :mad:

Well, if you're not doing anything wrong, why would it bother you? <cough cough>

[Shmuel Spade]

Well, if you're not doing anything wrong, why would it bother you? <cough cough>

That's exactly what I say to the gun-grabbers, both individual and government.

[Shmuel Spade]

Roderick Long (A libertarian hero), wrote this Lew Rockwell article particularly on Dennis Kucinich: Kucinich and the Politics of Nonviolence (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/long4.html)

[qednick]

I gave a link to this article by Dave Kopel yesterday: A World Without Guns (http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120501.shtml)

Yup, that's a good article. We should never underestimate the power of human ingenuity.