Can Ron Paul cost John McCain the election?

[acroso]

YES! Just look what he did in Pennsylvania. You see McCain has a milk shake and Obama has a milk shake…

But Ron Paul has a straw that stretches acrooooosss the room so he can drink up McCain’s milkshake. Just look at what happened in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. It’s called drainage! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3kPtSwKCI&eurl=http://southernavenger.ccpblogs.com/2008/05/16/video-ron-paul-revolt-at-republican-national-convention)


Eli Sunday: If you would just take this lease, Daniel...
Plainview: Drainage! Drainage, Eli, you boy. Drained dry. I'm so sorry. Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!
[sucking sound]
Plainview: I drink it up!



http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm91/spathic101/mccain-t-shirt.jpg

Drainage! We drink up McCain's base. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URjeS5-NaXY)

Will McCain have a base left by November?

[newyearsrevolution08]

Mccain will cost himself the election. Hell Americans are costing Ron Paul the election. Wake up people.

[Conza88]

Without a doubt....

FUCK NO

CHECK your premises. Totally flawed. If there was no Ron Paul, McCain would still LOSE. He has no chance.... NONE.

[OptionsTrader]

JOHN MCCAIN will lose the election for John McCain.

[yongrel]

I wouldn't mind seeing McCain lose.

[acroso]

I wouldn't mind seeing McCain lose.

We can't fix the GOP until we break it. As long as the neocon punditry class is still afloat and as long as we continue to waste money in Afghanistan and Iraq, we'll never achieve fiscal responsibility again.

We drink up McCain's milkshake! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URjeS5-NaXY)

[Join The Paul Side]

We can't fix the GOP until we break it.[/URL]

I agree. Once McCain loses and the Dems take more seats in the Senate and the House of Representatives, I believe there will be massive finger pointing among the neocons and inner fighting within their circle which will further weaken their grip on the party and make it easier for Ron Paul Republicans to take over. :cool:

[anaconda]

But the people are still really stupid. I have no confidence that once the neocons implode that what replaces it will be Ron Paul Republicans. It will be some other form of Stalinist spin party that "social conservatives" will once again vote for and buy in to.

[free.alive]

Where do I find that t-shirt?!?!?

[newyearsrevolution08]

But the people are still really stupid. I have no confidence that once the neocons implode that what replaces it will be Ron Paul Republicans. It will be some other form of Stalinist spin party that "social conservatives" will once again vote for and buy in to.

might as well just give up now then.....

[acroso]

All I want is a nominee who runs on conservatism.....for once. I don't care if he only gets 30% of the national vote, I just want party purity.

[LibertyEagle]

We can't fix the GOP until we break it.

We are not breaking it; the GOP did that to themselves when they let big government socialists gain control of the party.

[raiha]

Are rhinoceres blind?

[eok321]

I think mccain has a chance unfortunately.

If Hillary loses the dem nomination i think alot of her folks would actually vote for McCain rather than Obama, and if Obama loses some of his folks would vote for McCain over Hillary.

Personally i'd rather see Hillary win (sooner the better) and the obama bots come over to Ron Paul when they realize they're left with McCain and Clinton.

Wishful thinking maybe....

[acroso]

I'd like Hillary to win because it would keep their base depressed and angry. But I'd also like Obama to win because he's more likely to end spending in Iraq and Afghanistan and destroy any influence the neocons may continue to have.

Eitherway they're both terrible. IDK who would be stronger in the general. It's scary that Obama has such terrible electoral math.

[american.swan]

I have a hard time with questions like this.

Ron Paul is the only person I'd vote for. Period. End of story. Now on to the trash candidates left.

The question that first comes to my mind is this. "How much variation is really in the Council on Foriegn Relations?"

If the CFR is completely unified behind a single mission, or if the Trilateral Commission is completely behind a unified mission then really it doesn't matter who wins.

Now if there is some "debate" inside the CFR and other "powerful secret world controlling groups" then which side are these three candidates on?

Are the Neo-cons actually a subset of the CFR? If so, Hilary and Obama would be much better because they may not be neo-cons.

To state the question again: All three remaining candidates have powerful rich people supporting them. Are the ideologies of the three powerful supports the same?

On a corporate level, they all are getting money from corportations who what policy changed for the good of their companies. So all of them would be almost the same in that regard.

The main point then being martial law and the foriegn arenas. They all seem to be a bit similar in that area too. Why? Because of the corporate support or because of the powerful society support.

Is it possible to look at the past presidents and the names of their top advisers and somehow determine if there is any sort of division inside the CFR or other such groups?

For example, why did Volker save the dollar in the late 70's? Is he not a member of the CFR?

Bill Clinton's fiscal policy was quite good so on that front maybe Hilary would be better for the dollar. Clinton could have spent all the money he could, but didn't.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

[newyearsrevolution08]

I would LOVE to talk with the democrats that you talk to who would HAPPILY go to the republican side and vote for mccain.

Don't buy that for a second bud.

I can say the word republican and you can watch them look at you in disgust as well as SHOCK trying to figure out why the hell anyone would side with mccain, bush or any of them.


Democrats are known to do one thing STICK WITH DEMOCRATS. If you don't believe it then ask any current democrat how many republicans they have endorsed or voted for.




I think mccain has a chance unfortunately.

If Hillary loses the dem nomination i think alot of her folks would actually vote for McCain rather than Obama, and if Obama loses some of his folks would vote for McCain over Hillary.

Personally i'd rather see Hillary win (sooner the better) and the obama bots come over to Ron Paul when they realize they're left with McCain and Clinton.

Wishful thinking maybe....

[newyearsrevolution08]

I'd like Hillary to win because it would keep their base depressed and angry. But I'd also like Obama to win because he's more likely to end spending in Iraq and Afghanistan and destroy any influence the neocons may continue to have.

Eitherway they're both terrible. IDK who would be stronger in the general. It's scary that Obama has such terrible electoral math.

Clinton scares me because NO MATTER WHAT, she will never say she is wrong. This is just another bush go figure lol.

[freelance]

RP will probably be the object of the blame game, but it will not be true. John McCain was/is losing all by himself. He doesn't need any help from anyone.

[bulloncoins]

If democrats were willing to vote for Republicans Ron Paul would be the next President. They will not be pulling any votes for McCain. They would stay home first, and even that is not going to happen because they hate Bush and the Republicans so much right now. (neocons own fault)....

[frasu]

Mccain will cost himself the election. Hell Americans are costing Ron Paul the election. Wake up people.

+1

[klamath]

I agree. Once McCain loses and the Dems take more seats in the Senate and the House of Representatives, I believe there will be massive finger pointing among the neocons and inner fighting within their circle which will further weaken their grip on the party and make it easier for Ron Paul Republicans to take over. :cool:

I agree with your premise but disagree that RP will cause McCain to be defeated. I am a long time republican voter and I am not voting for McCain because I don't like him or his policies not because I just want to see republicans lose.
People running around bragging that RP and his followers are doing this just to make republicans lose are hurting our future cause to get disinchanted republicans after the elections to switch to us. They will remember only that we did it to help the democrats which is not why I am here.

[angelatc]

I wouldn't mind seeing McCain lose.

It's just a shame that the experience will be marred by the Obama win.

[PatriotOne]

Can Ron Paul cost John McCain the election?

I echo others sentiment. He never had a chance in the first place. It would be like expecting a runner to win a marathon while carrying a 5 ton cannon ball....the Bush admin is McCain's 5 ton elephant because he supported them.

[hrdman2luv]

If McCain gets the nomination, the democrats will win by landslide. That is a guarantee. No matter how many ovtes Ron Paul takes from McCain.
And I wouldn't allow the sleazy lying GOP get away with even mentioning any other reasons for McCains defeat. Because we all know, the McCain is just another 4 years of George Bush. Some failed foreign and economic policies that have created this beast.

[jbuttell]

But the people are still really stupid. I have no confidence that once the neocons implode that what replaces it will be Ron Paul Republicans. It will be some other form of Stalinist spin party that "social conservatives" will once again vote for and buy in to.


Nah - if they go anywhere, it'll be back to the Democratic party - where they're a much closer fit anyway. They're comfortable with the Republican party right now because so many people aren't paying attention. Hopefully Ron's book can help change that.

[Aratus]

what if john mccain can cost john mccain the election in full? what if it boils down to whether john mccain can
actually walk on water as one of his supporters now hints? what if john mccain is so close to the magic 1190 plus
even though he actually has some seven hundred actual delegates. if a mjaor scandal now erupts around him... then what?

[TastyWheat]

If mccain loses it'll be his fault alone. After this year the gop will know conservatives vote conservative, not republican.

[patriot2008]

Sorry, don't care for the title, but interesting thread nontheless.
Mccain is a real loser! He has already cost himself this one by being who he is.
Whenever we say someone will cost someone the election it infers by someone that they don't belong in the process because they are not one of the chosen.

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I can't wait until one of these three gets in and really fucks the country up. I want it to get worse, this dumb country deserves it.

"Only a nation of unenlightened half wits could have taken this beautiful place and turned it into what it is today: a shopping mall. A big fucking shopping mall!" -Carlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M5Xm5RYTRY&feature=related

[acroso]

I can't wait until one of these three gets in and really fucks the country up. I want it to get worse, this dumb country deserves it.

"Only a nation of unenlightened half wits could have taken this beautiful place and turned it into what it is today: a shopping mall. A big fucking shopping mall!" -Carlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M5Xm5RYTRY&feature=related



They're all going to F it up, but I prefer that it isn't our party doing the F'ing up. If it's Obama we can at least get out of Iraq and purge the party of McCainism and neoconservatism.

[jbuttell]

Yeah, lets see how fast Obama does that.

[FrankRep]

This will cost McCain the election:

The real McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

[Penners]

ROFL I want a T-shirt too

[acroso]

Drink up McCain's base! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URjeS5-NaXY)


Drained dry! Sorry McCain.

We drink it up!

[clintontj72]

YES! Just look what he did in Pennsylvania. You see McCain has a milk shake and Obama has a milk shake…

But Ron Paul has a straw that stretches acrooooosss the room so he can drink up McCain’s milkshake. Just look at what happened in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. It’s called drainage! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3kPtSwKCI&eurl=http://southernavenger.ccpblogs.com/2008/05/16/video-ron-paul-revolt-at-republican-national-convention)




http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm91/spathic101/mccain-t-shirt.jpg

Drainage! We drink up McCain's base. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URjeS5-NaXY)

Will McCain have a base left by November?

LOL! I enjoyed that movie "There Will Be Blood". That is probably the best line in the movie and I like the way you used the line ROFL :D I'm also thinking that shirt would be perfect to wear to the convention :P

[acroso]

I liked the line "I have a competition in me.." the best. The milkshake part was great too though.


That should be the RP T-shirt for the convention. Maybe we could send all the delegates going there that T-shirt to wear...all 20 of them heh...somehow the GOP has managed to stop us everytime we take over a convention so we never actually come up with much,

[lynnf]

YES! Just look what he did in Pennsylvania. You see McCain has a milk shake and Obama has a milk shake…

But Ron Paul has a straw that stretches acrooooosss the room so he can drink up McCain’s milkshake. Just look at what happened in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. It’s called drainage! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3kPtSwKCI&eurl=http://southernavenger.ccpblogs.com/2008/05/16/video-ron-paul-revolt-at-republican-national-convention)






RP is 30 ft. straw guy!


lynn

[qh4dotcom]

Without a doubt....

FUCK NO

CHECK your premises. Totally flawed. If there was no Ron Paul, McCain would still LOSE. He has no chance.... NONE.

Actually McCain does have a chance if Obama gets involved in a scandal like Gary Hart....any kind of scandal...or if he keeps pissing off people like the small town folks...Jeremiah Wright might come back to haunt Obama.

[acroso]

Maybe Hillary will still be able to steel it tho!