The Plot Against America

[patriot2008]

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In November 1934, federal investigators uncovered an amazing plot involving some two dozen senior businessmen, a good many of them Wall Street financiers, to topple the government of the United States and install a fascist dictatorship. Roth’s novel is developed from several strands of this factual account; he assumed the plot is actually carried out, whereas in fact an alert FDR shut it down but stopped short of retaliatory measures against the plotters. A key element of the plot involved a retired prominent general who was to have raised a private army of 500,000 men from unemployed veterans and who blew the whistle when he learned more of what the plot entailed. The plot was heavily funded and well developed and had strong links with fascist forces abroad. A story in the New York Times and several other newspapers reported on it, and a special Congressional committee was created to conduct an investigation. The records of this committee were scrubbed and sealed away in the National Archives, where they have only recently been made available.

The Congressional committee kept the names of many of the participants under wraps and no criminal action was ever brought against them. But a few names have leaked out. And one is Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the incumbent president. Prescott Bush was of course deep into the business of the Hamburg-America Lines, and had tight relations throughout this period with the new Government that had come to power in Germany a year earlier under Chancellor Aldoph Hitler. It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government.

...Read more The Plot Against America
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651

The Bush Crime Family Tree
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_crime_family.htm

Video - History of the Bush Family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H6J6Wx0t8w

[The One]

I've heard of this.....bumping for those who can't allow themselves to believe this sort of shit goes on.

[patriot2008]

Yea me too.
I went to a presentation about 11 years ago and left after hearing many very disturbing things one almost did not want to believe were true.
Only recently were many of these documents released.
There was an investigative journalist who poured over these released docs and a BBC Story about it!

[patriot2008]

:eek:

[The One]

bump

[Aratus]

Google --- Smedley Butler! ---

[yongrel]

I always thought it was funny that this never got brought up in 2000 or 2004.

[Aratus]

mccain held back?
kerry an' gore are idiots?

[The One]

I always thought it was funny that this never got brought up in 2000 or 2004.


It's not really that surprising if you can accept the fact that massive conspiracies really do exist. Don't be afraid, Yongrel.....accepting it doesn't mean you're crazy. You're also not required to literally put on a tinfoil hat.

Maybe elections are really just a show. Maybe they're all in it together. Bush and Kerry.....Skull&Bones. I'll be honest....I can't explain why Gore didn't bring it up.

[Anti Federalist]

Smedley Darlington Butler was my Great-Uncle.

My grandfather passed on to me what happened and showed me documents, some of them I have gotten my hands on.

It's all quite true.

Which is why I have no problem believing government duplicity in things like 9/11 or the Kennedy coup, for starters.

[PatriotOne]

Smedley Darlington Butler was my Great-Uncle.

My grandfather passed on to me what happened and showed me documents, some of them I have gotten my hands on.

It's all quite true.

Which is why I have no problem believing government duplicity in things like 9/11 or the Kennedy coup, for starters.

How interesting! Anything else you can share with us? You know I love a good conspiracy :p

[yongrel]

It's not really that surprising if you can accept the fact that massive conspiracies really do exist. Don't be afraid, Yongrel.....accepting it doesn't mean you're crazy. You're also not required to literally put on a tinfoil hat.

I've never challenged the fact that massive conspiracies have and do exist. I go on a case by case basis, and the vast majority of conspiracy theories are bunk. In the case of this thread's topic, there is enough evidence to make it clear that this conspiracy did in fact occur. Give me similarly compelling and credible evidence for any other theory, and I've got an open mind.

For now, my tinfoil hat is safely in my crazy auntie's care.

[The One]

I've never challenged the fact that massive conspiracies have and do exist. I go on a case by case basis, and the vast majority of conspiracy theories are bunk. In the case of this thread's topic, there is enough evidence to make it clear that this conspiracy did in fact occur. Give me similarly compelling and credible evidence for any other theory, and I've got an open mind.

For now, my tinfoil hat is safely in my crazy auntie's care.

For me, the fact that something like this (the thread topic) actually happened means that anything is possible. Is it more difficult to believe that some people within our own government could have been involved in 9/11 than it is to believe the thread topic actually happened? I'm not saying anybody has to believe it....I just don't see why anyone should be ridiculed for believing it. In light of the thread topic, how could anyone think it's crazy to believe in the possibility of inside involvement in 9/11, especially considering the relationship between Prescott Bush (involved in thread topic) and George W. Bush (believed by some to be involved in 9/11 attacks)?

Additionally, why didn't Gore or Kerry bring this (the thread topic) up during the campaign? Why isn't this huge news? Why do very few Americans even know about this? What does that tell us?

[yongrel]

For me, the fact that something like this (the thread topic) actually happened means that anything is possible. Is it more difficult to believe that some people within our own government could have been involved in 9/11 than it is to believe the thread topic actually happened? I'm not saying anybody has to believe it....I just don't see why anyone should be ridiculed for believing it. In light of the thread topic, how could anyone think it's crazy to believe in the possibility of inside involvement in 9/11, especially considering the relationship between Prescott Bush (involved in thread topic) and George W. Bush (believed by some to be involved in 9/11 attacks)?

Additionally, why didn't Gore or Kerry bring this (the thread topic) up during the campaign? Why isn't this huge news? Why do very few Americans even know about this? What does that tell us?

There is a difference between being possible and actually being.

It is possible that I am a 92 year old porn star from the silent film era. In actuality, I am not.

Evidence is everything.

[american.swan]

Yea me too.
I went to a presentation about 11 years ago and left after hearing many very disturbing things one almost did not want to believe were true.
Only recently were many of these documents released.
There was an investigative journalist who poured over these released docs and a BBC Story about it!

I'd be interested in that BBC story about this....

[Anti Federalist]

How interesting! Anything else you can share with us? You know I love a good conspiracy :p

There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.

Now, how's that for summing up the only reasons for "just war"?

Most of the documents are fairly mundane, but they provide credible links to the plot he exposed, sources and time lines and mutual contacts, that sort of thing, and they back up his Senate testimony.

[american.swan]

Something that is interesting to me is that FDR was the most Stalinist friendly president. This was the time when communistic conversation was popular among the elite. Congressman visited Russia and liked what they saw.

It's interesting to me to think people wanted to overthrow the most dictator friendly president in favor of a dictator.

[Anti Federalist]

Oh, almost forgot, he fingered Prescott Bush as one of the conspirators as well.

[The One]

There is a difference between being possible and actually being.

It is possible that I am a 92 year old porn star from the silent film era. In actuality, I am not.

Evidence is everything.


Yes, there is a difference.....but is it possible? If it is possible, why ridicule those who believe it? Should people be ridiculed for believing something that could possibly be correct? Some people aren't convinced it's true, but they've got enough questions that it makes them want to see it investigated further. Why ridicule those people? Ridicule should be saved for those who believe something that is ridiculous. Believing something that is possible is not ridiculous, imo. There is plenty of evidence to make it reasonable to question the official story regarding 9/11.

I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe you could possibly be a 92 year old porn star, so I don't feel any need to look into it further. If you have anything that might pique my curiosity, please post it.

[Aratus]

It is possible that I am a 92 year old porn star from the silent film era.

Evidence is everything.


yongrel... did you do flics for "al" capone or "bugs" moran? i sorta had this feeling about you...:D
you seem to know people and have very ancient republican administration connections i can't
blame on just any new deal democrat, whereas by the same rules of logic, i am an even more ancient
penny a word underpaid writer of victorian era pornography sans illustrations! you are more visual than i,
and i am more literate! its sorta like the opinion + politics section of evergreen magazine verses the money ticket
crotch shots of hustler or playboy! {or even playgirl!} you can tersely do more with one image than i can do with 10,ooo words!

[Aratus]

the JAZZ SINGER is 1926/1927~~~yongrel, you also is a lying about YOUR age, you charlston dancer, you!
and i wuz obviously there penning novellas that created yellow journalism affairs concerning political
figures! like in one of 'em when i romanced ida tarbell with a prominent republican whose wife had a
first name very similar to hers, who if he called out a given ladies own sweet name in coitus, cleverly
he would not be found out about by his wife concerning the longterm affair!!! i wuz creative! yongrel,
you deleated a decade off of your ancient show business resume, and portfolio!!! i am SHOCKED!!!

[patriot2008]

I'd be interested in that BBC story about this....


HERE

From BBC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H6J6Wx0t8w

Investigative reporter talks on history of these documents http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D6fxyOtVeI

[RP~Revolution~]

911 was an inside job....... The people that don't believe it are either ignorant, deniers, dense, or an extremely stupid patriot. Those that deny 911 are those that have watched FOX news most of their life. If you deny 911 you certainly have not done your research enough to know what WTC 7 is, and how this building went down.


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