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Akus
05-14-2008, 08:54 PM
As the November election is ticking closer and closer to us and as we try ever so hard to get Ron Paul to win the September nomination at the GOP convention in St.Paul, I am often caught asking myself: what will happen to the Ron Paul supporters once November is through and the future President is already decided?

Many people, some pundits, some bystanders, have tried to classify us. Who is he, John Q. Ronpaulsupporter? Is he a Nazi, a truther, an anarchist, a Black Nationalist, a secessionist, a Liberal in disguise sent by George Soros to take over Grand Ole Party?

Of course, the answer is yes and no. Ok, so none of us are here because George Soros sent us to destroy Republican party, but as Ron Paul himself pointed out, we are just people who are tired of the status quo and want a serious second choice.

I will stress his point again, if only in a different verbiage. We are a bunch of folks who just want to be left the hell alone. The desire to be able to do one's own thing, whatever that may be, is what makes a black man and a white supremacist, a two times Bush voter and a bleeding hear liberal, a socialist and anarchist and a sworn atheist and a Bible believing church going before every meal praying Christian sit at one table and talk.

So far, Ron Paul is the only one in my recent memory who has been able to do exactly that. This is why it is so hard for people to really identify Ron Paul, because along with members of truly fringe counter culture underground sociopolitical currents, Ron Paul supporters are also house wifes, church pastors military veterans.

My question is: what will unite us all after it is all done? Please don't say "freedom". It is a beautiful, inspiring, but otherwise completely meaningless word. There is a Presidential candidate whose entire campaign is built on big, inspiring and empty words. You all know who I'm talking about.

I have raised this question in my Ron Paul meetup group. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to receive any coherent answer. I have been told that all of the politics are local, but my issues that are personally important to me such as illegal immigration, war on drugs and taxation and FIAT money, cannot be solved with an old sheriff out and a new one in. The local railroad commissioner or a mayor of my town of 200000 people is pretty powerless about this as well. This is why I can't really feel any use in participating in local politics because these issues are deep and trace to another city that is not in TX if you get my drift.

But let's suppose that mini-Ron Paul is running for the mayor of Dallas, whose jurisdiction my city is under. What good is our movement when we are fractured amongst ourselves on so many issues? What if he wants to get really medieval on illegals and some of us, like me, for example, feel that that issue is approached fundamentally wrong? What if he wants to let out all the non-violent drug offenders out of Dallas Co jail and some of you think that all drugs should be illegal and people using them should be punished?

Do you see what I'm saying? We can't even decide if Ron Paul jumping the GOP ship over to a third party is a good idea. Some of us say we need to change the Republican party. I personally feel it's a lot of crud, but, for unity sake, I am playing along. I am one of the delegates for the Texas State Republican Convention and if GOP is the vehicle to get Ron Paul elected, hooray to that. Some of us advocate joining a different party or even create one of our own. I am all for the former and not for the latter.

I think most of you understand the core of my question. So I will repeat it, only in a slightly different manner.

Ron Paul is the glue uniting people of very different and polar opposit views. What will be the glue to unite us ALL after the election?

OptionsTrader
05-14-2008, 08:57 PM
Can you ask your question more succinctly, you rambled on a lot.

RoamZero
05-14-2008, 09:11 PM
We need a Ron Paul version of moveon.org and use it to spread public awareness.

Akus
05-14-2008, 09:36 PM
We need a Ron Paul version of moveon.org and use it to spread public awareness.

I don't want to do that.
Movements are dime a dozen but they achieve nothing and never have. Ralph Nader is an exception if only to a degree, but still, we need to take away the power from the corrupt and give it to the uncorrupt.

pinkmandy
05-14-2008, 09:37 PM
No matter who wins the election, unless it's a freedom lover, we're screwed. We all know that. I think you'll see the forums grow because of American discontent. Maybe not right away but as soon as they realize they have been lied to YET AGAIN (fool me once, shame on you- fool me a million times, shame on me) more people will again start questioning. Right now, I think people just want this horrible charade called an "election" to just be over with already. Once some reality sets in, we're still in Iraq, the economy gets worse- they will be seeking answers. We have to be the ones to step in and fulfill that role. That's why it's so important that we all, right now, keep talking SANELY about the issues. There will come a time when people you talk to are going to remember those conversations and that guy what's-his-name you always talked about. They will come to us.

JMHO.

ronpaulhawaii
05-14-2008, 09:42 PM
What unites us is the courage of conviction in the message of individual liberty. The sure knowledge that we can agree to disagree and still work together for the common purpose of preserving the right to disagree

or something like that

:D

josephadel_3
05-14-2008, 10:20 PM
The only "polar opposite" views I see are on the issues of abortion and 9/11. Let's not turn this into an abortion or 9/11 debate. We seem pretty like minded to me. Everyone is different. A Ron Paul Republican should know that. The individual comes first, then the ideas. What will unite us in the future is Ron Paul, Jr., whoever that may be. I am only 20. I guarantee you by the time I am at least 35, someone will be running for president because of Ron Paul. Of course, people already are running because of Paul. This all depends on the continuation of the United States and the prevention of the birth of the NAU. Once again, I think what unites us is the "freedom" candidate. Freedom isn't necessarily an empty word. Sure Obama may use it, but people aren't idiots (well, some are.) We saw through the BS and found the real "freedom" candidate, Ron Paul.

Alex Libman
05-14-2008, 10:24 PM
I'd like to see the Ron Paul movement merge into the Libertarian Party.

Sure, the LP is flawed, but we can fix it. A party is only as good as its members.

Akus
05-14-2008, 10:31 PM
What unites us is the courage of conviction in the message of individual liberty. The sure knowledge that we can agree to disagree and still work together for the common purpose of preserving the right to disagree

or something like that

:D

Change
Hope
Yes we can:rolleyes:

Akus
05-14-2008, 10:32 PM
A party is only as good as its members.

This needs to be put in mile tall letters in front of every Republican office in the country

ClockwiseSpark
05-14-2008, 10:33 PM
What unites us is the courage of conviction in the message of individual liberty. The sure knowledge that we can agree to disagree and still work together for the common purpose of preserving the right to disagree

or something like that

:D

That sounds about right.

As far as I see it this movement is quite simply about our insistence that the rules be followed. Those rules are clearly defined by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and that is our common ground, the defense of the rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKzM8xsQ5-U&feature=related

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." -
-- Voltaire

tremendoustie
05-14-2008, 10:44 PM
Easy -- we continue to fight for policies and candidates that promote liberty, because freedom is the only moral state of mankind. We have far more that draws us together than apart.

This basic philosophy of government is more important than any single issue. Who knows, I could find myself on opposite sides with one of you on a local fight over abortion laws or immigration, but I know that I have more in common with you, than with those who believe it is the rightful role of government to run our personal lives, our checkbooks, and the world.

Freedom is always worth fighting for, and I will continue to support pro-liberty candidates till I die, even if I never see our country fully restored. Why? Because it is the right thing to do, and it is those who know the truth yet remain silent who are truly without excuse.