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PrimarilyPaul
08-23-2007, 08:21 AM
Those of you who watched the Ron Paul Google Interview (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg) will remember he talks about Switzerland's excellent job protecting liberties at 17:50. He said he would love to be President of Switzerland, I figured the current Swiss President might want to hear about this.

Here is what I wrote her:



Switzerland and your position as President recently came up in an interview given by Ron Paul, a physician and Congressman from Texas, running for the nomination of the Republican Party for the United States Presidential election of 2008.

Ron Paul was asked if there are any other country, right now, that do a better job of protecting liberties and maintaining a small government than the United States. Dr. Paul replied there are more and more countries that are encroaching on the US's reputation for protecting liberties, but Switzerland is the one he thought does a better job than the US. He said it would be neat to be President of Switzerland, then joked that no one in the audience probably knew who the President of Switzerland is :).

The video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg and the part where Switzerland is mentioned starts at around 17:50 and lasts about 45 seconds.

For Reference, Ron Paul is a strict Constitutionalist and a libertarian. He believes in a small fiscally conservative government that stays out of the personal lives of people. He believes the United States should stay out of entangling foreign alliances and the affairs of other countries. "Commerce with all, alliance with none." Ron Paul's personal and political philosophies are very much aligned with the politics and culture of Switzerland with your long standing tradition of neutrality and independence from international organizations that take from the sovereignty of their member countries. I think it would be interesting if you and the Federal Council could discuss American libertarianism and Constitutionalism with Ron Paul; our two countries and people have far more in common than people realize given the current administration of the United States.

Be sure to check out Ron Paul's webpage (http://www.ronpaul2008.com) and watch some of his YouTube videos (http://www.youtube.com/RonPaul2008dotcom).


And her response, bolding is mine:



Thank you for your interesting email about Ron Paul's interview on YouTube. I felt very pleased to hear that Mr Paul mentioned Switzerland as a good example of a government protecting its people's freedom and liberties. Our memberships of the UN and other international organizations allow us to participate constructively in global politics, where thanks to its long history of neutrality and independence, Switzerland is able to play a valuable role.
Our bilateral relations with the United States are growing stronger and it is possible that in future visits by myself or of one of my colleagues in the Swiss government to Washington an exchange of views with Congressman Ron Paul will be part of the program.

Best regards,
Micheline Calmy-Rey


edit: posted on on my blog too (http://www.primarilypaul.com/2007/08/23/i-wrote-to-the-president-of-switzerland-about-ron-paul-she-responded/)

Brasil Branco
08-23-2007, 08:31 AM
That's awesome! I would suggest emailing the people who run the Ron Paul blogs and asking them to post this. :)

Spirit of '76
08-23-2007, 08:31 AM
Hey, great job! Thanks for taking the initiative on this.

It'd be wonderful if something comes of this and they do get to meet.

purepaloma
08-23-2007, 08:35 AM
Yes, HQ needs to know about this !

DjLoTi
08-23-2007, 08:35 AM
Dude, if this happens, it would be a really good PR move. This should *definitely* happen.

maxmerkel
08-23-2007, 08:35 AM
That's awesome! I would suggest emailing the people who run the Ron Paul blogs and asking them to post this. :)

hmmm, don't know if this is a good idea, maybe american diplomacy would try to prevent it .... better it just suddenly happens and gets reported on the news ;)

DjLoTi
08-23-2007, 08:37 AM
I wouldn't recommend emailing it to the campaign because they're already backlogged on emails. This is big, guys. Call them. Tell them. Do this. Seriously.

bc2208
08-23-2007, 08:46 AM
Hey, great job thinking outside the BOX (borders of xenophobia).

DjLoTi
08-23-2007, 08:49 AM
ok, I'm serious about this. Forward me the email. I have Jesse Benton's cell phone. I'll call him after I get a copy of the email. Email me at DjLoTi@RonPaulradio .com

I want your email and the President of Switzerland's email, and any other info you can give me.

Syren123
08-23-2007, 08:49 AM
AWESOME! PrimarilyPaul forging international cooperation and goodwill before the administration even starts!

Way to go! DEFINITELY send your letters to HQ!

DeadheadForPaul
08-23-2007, 08:51 AM
So THAT'S what the president of Switzerland does every day: answers emails from random people ;)

Just kidding

That's seriously epic! You communicated with a foreign leader via email...talk about cool

I kind of want to go down the list of nations in the U.N. and send emails to all...see who replies

Syren123
08-23-2007, 08:59 AM
So THAT'S what the president of Switzerland does every day: answers emails from random people ;)

Just kidding


LOL! Guess you have a lot more free time when your country is running like a top and you're not busy bending and fetching for NWO geezer bosses and blowing oil companies.

Delivered4000
08-23-2007, 09:01 AM
That's great, I was in Switzerland a few weeks ago and I loved it. And yes, this is the first time I knew of their president.

UtahApocalypse
08-23-2007, 09:02 AM
Truly amazing. Awesome job!

Delivered4000
08-23-2007, 09:02 AM
You may have single-handedly altered the history of mankind, and for the better. You can now go back to enjoying drowning in a pool of your own greatness.

Politeia
08-23-2007, 09:14 AM
I haven't been following Switzerland closely, and Dr. Paul may know more about it than I do. On the other hand, he may have been speaking on the basis of Switzerland's reputation, and what we all think we "know" about it.

But my impression, from some I've seen in recent years, is that, under the influence of "liberal" sentiment, Switzerland is fast abandoning its previous position of neutrality and true freedom. A few years ago they adopted a new constitution which, as I recall, had a lot of suspicious elements in it -- like the "New States Constitution" that some tried to put over on the U.S.A. a while back, which was full of good liberal sentiments but, on examination, turned out to convert all our rights into privileges.

Note the referenced "memberships of the UN and other international organizations [which] allow us to participate constructively in global politics". This is entirely new; Switzerland was once famous for not being a member of the UN. You cannot be a "member" of the UN and retain any real independence. Switzerland is being sucked into the System. This woman is Switzerland's Hillary.

Yes, this might be a worthwhile PR move for the campaign -- due to Switzerland's reputation, whether or not it is still deserved -- but I'd be very careful about waxing enthusiastic about Switzerland before studying the subject closely.

DjLoTi
08-23-2007, 09:16 AM
Switzerland's president personally visits presidential candidate Ron Paul because of his kind statements of their country. That will not only gain national, but international press. You've got to be kidding me if you don't think it's a good move. This is politics, not rocket science.

markpa
08-23-2007, 09:20 AM
I've emailed Bush many times...I wonder why I never got a reply? maybe it was my tone, lol.

bc2208
08-23-2007, 09:23 AM
I too thought it was odd that she was bragging about being in the UN.

Kuldebar
08-23-2007, 09:31 AM
I've emailed Bush many times...I wonder why I never got a reply? maybe it was my tone, lol.


LOL. Here's an embarrassing story.

I was never a democrat, but back in the very early days of the Lewinsky Scandal, I really felt Old Bill was getting a bum rap. I mean he stood there shaking his finger at the camera and said emphatically, "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky". Well, if the man stared at the camera and said that on national TV, it must be true, right?

I felt bad for poor Bill, Chelsea and even Hillary, I mean it must have been awful having those false accusations flying about.

So, I wrote a letter expressing my empathy for the first family and admiring their stead fast natures during "this difficult time".

I got a wonderful thank you letter back, signed by Hillary, but unfortunately, by the time I received the response, the truth had emerged and spoiled the moment for me.

It was a lesson for me at least.

SeanEdwards
08-23-2007, 09:33 AM
I lived in Switzerland for over a year. I think America could learn a lot from that country. In fact, Switzerland was an inspiration for the American founders.

That's not to say we should copy Switzerland, but we could certainly copy some of what they do. For instance, they have a privatized equivalent of our FAA. They also manage to maintain a peaceful union of people who speak different languages, and have markedly different social standards. An example of this was their attitude towards drug usage. I lived in a French speaking canton that tended to be more conservative and frowned upon cannabis usage. However, the neighboring German-speaking canton (equivalent to our states), had totally open storefronts selling cannabis. The point being that these different states had a great deal of leeway to set their own policies, and people were tolerant of these differences.

Also, their urban planning was truly brilliant. Basically every urban center was oriented around a central train station, with ample public transportation and shopping districts reserved for pedestrian and bus traffic. Practically no suburban sprawl at all.

A lot of what they do is just smart. For example, they do stuff like put a gas pump right in front of parking garages. These pumps are entirely self-service standalone deals. No need for a gas station like we have in the US. Just a small footprint pump located right where you need it.

It's too bad about them joining the UN. They resisted joining for a long time. Oh well, nobody's perfect. :D

ronpaulhawaii
08-23-2007, 09:35 AM
I too thought it was odd that she was bragging about being in the UN.

Was she bragging? or clarifying a common misconception?

This was a brilliant stroke, and I find it serendipitous that it is posted along with the foreign MUs thread. While I think there are angles to be worked here, I would be careful not to overdo it...

Great Job

Richie
08-23-2007, 09:40 AM
They're not only members of the United Nations, but they're trying to join the European Union. Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland)

"In 2002 Switzerland became a full member of the United Nations, leaving the Vatican as the last widely recognised state without full UN membership. Switzerland is a founding member of the EFTA, but is not a member of the European Economic Area. An application for membership in the European Union was sent in May 1992, but not advanced since the EEA was rejected in December 1992 when Switzerland was the only country to launch a referendum on the EEA. There have since been several referendums on the EU issue, with a mixed reaction to these from the population, the membership application has been frozen. Nonetheless, Swiss law is gradually being adjusted to conform with that of the EU and the government has signed a number of bilateral agreements with the European Union. Switzerland, together with Liechtenstein, has been completely surrounded by the EU since Austria's membership in 1995. On 5 June 2005, Swiss voters agreed by a 55% majority to join the Schengen treaty, a result that was regarded by EU commentators as a sign of support by Switzerland, a country that is traditionally perceived as independent, neutral, or isolationist."

Kuldebar
08-23-2007, 09:42 AM
Yeah, Switzerland has a lot of pressure on it from the so called international community, I am thinking "progressive politics" may be a reality in modern Switzerland.

Private banking was once such area that became a favorite thing for world police to target and weaken.

Reminds me of LOTR, even Old Tom Bombadil would eventually succumb if the Ring of Power reigned supreme. ;)

"...soon or late the Lord of the Rings would learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power toward it. Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come."

Politeia
08-23-2007, 09:59 AM
"Switzerland, a country that is traditionally perceived as independent, neutral, or isolationist." [emphasis added]

Such perceptions can outlast reality, especially when the Ruling Elite is involved. They're nothing if not expert at fooling most of the people most of the time -- which is all that's needed to conrol a democracy.

Switzerland was the last major nation to give women the vote, in the 1970s. (Now it has a president who is both female and Jewish, I believe.) Women seem to be especially susceptible to sentimental appeals such as "You don't want to be isolationist, do you?" The former Switzerland was no more "isolationist" than is Ron Paul -- it practiced exactly our Founders' recommendation of "peace and honest commerce with all nations, but no entangling alliances." They've now given that up, and joined everyone else in the slave pen.

The Switzerland of yore is no more.

CoreyBowen999
08-23-2007, 10:17 AM
It seems that the last remaining countries based on freedom are giving in to the UN and globalization. It makes this election of ours more important.

swissmiss
08-23-2007, 10:18 AM
Hey all, I am a huge Ron Paul Fan from Switzerland and I have been lurking here for quite a while, you people give me a lot of hope. So I do not destroy your hopes out of spite, but out of sadness. Our president (title actually means nothing, top exec position is held by seven people simultaneosly so thankfully she can not induce as much damage as your pres) is a socialist you would run away from screaming like a baby. If you think Hillary is bad, you haven't heard of Calmy Rey. She belongs to a party called social democratic party of Switzerland. That party just accepted about five years ago, that communism might not be that good of an idea, but still stands for massive redistribution of wealth and played a huge part in Switzerlands joining the U.N., now pushing for joining the EU. You could choose any position of RP - she will be against it. So maybe she is planning to travel to the U.S to talk to some members of congress or maybe her staff is just as idiotic as she is and didn't get it correctly.

If the Americans do not want Ron Paul, we will take him in a heartbeat. - Because we need him as much as you do. The idea of liberty is dying here too.

sunny
08-23-2007, 10:20 AM
wow! that is cool!
wouldn't happen in the usa........

one requirement for the president to respond would be that he would need
to know how to read...

Spirit of '76
08-23-2007, 10:35 AM
Hey all, I am a huge Ron Paul Fan from Switzerland and I have been lurking here for quite a while, you people give me a lot of hope. So I do not destroy your hopes out of spite, but out of sadness. Our president (title actually means nothing, top exec position is held by seven people simultaneosly so thankfully she can not induce as much damage as your pres) is a socialist you would run away from screaming like a baby. If you think Hillary is bad, you haven't heard of Calmy Rey. She belongs to a party called socialistic party of Switzerland. That party just accepted about five years ago, that communism might not be that good of an idea, but still stands for massive redistribution of wealth and played a huge part in Switzerlands joining the U.N., now pushing for joining the EU. You could choose any position of RP - she will be against it. So maybe she is planning to travel to the U.S an to talk to some members of congress or maybe her staff is just as idiotic as she is and didn't get it correctly.

If the Americans do not want Ron Paul, we will take him in a heartbeat. - Because we need him as much as you do. The idea of liberty is dying here too.

Welcome! Thanks for the inside perspective, even if it's very disheartening to hear that socialism is taking hold in Switzerland, which still has the reputation of being one of the last holdouts. :(

ThePieSwindler
08-23-2007, 10:42 AM
wow! that is cool!
wouldn't happen in the usa........

one requirement for the president to respond would be that he would need
to know how to read...

Thats a bit disingenious. One of the biggest dangers to fall into is the trap that our government is simply inept. Sure, maybe the bureaucracies are, and government is often inefficient as a whole, but the people at the highest levels know exactly what they are doing, and they do it with consolidation of power in mind. Bush might not be the best spokesman for the PTB, but he isnt the bumbling idiot many make him out to be - he was alot more articulate as governor, and probably just has trouble keeping up with all he is told to say. I actually don't hate Bush like others do, because i realize there is more to it than that. Sure, i despise him for abandoning his original positions of humble foreign policy, fiscal conservatism, etc, but he is not the sole figure behind all that is wrong with America - he is more likely than not just a talking head who is used by the real powers that be.


As for the president responding, sure thats kinda cool, but like swissmiss said (and i have done research so i agree as well), pretty much all of Europe, even Switzerland, is falling into the trap of social democracy.

Lois
08-23-2007, 10:43 AM
Wow - thanks, swissmiss, for your insider's view!

I was just about to go to WeatherWatcher and check out the climate in Switzerland. This is very depressing because I had held Switzerland apart from the rest of the world as the ideal government, but I guess it's just a matter of time before all the countries and people are homogonized.

PrimarilyPaul
08-23-2007, 10:50 AM
I just made a blog post (http://www.primarilypaul.com/2007/08/23/i-wrote-to-the-president-of-switzerland-about-ron-paul-she-responded/) with the messages and more details on the Swiss Federal Council if anyone is interested or wants to plug it.

Santana28
08-23-2007, 10:54 AM
okay, how the heck does someone just email the President of Switzerland - And get a response?!? LOL... this is just blowing my mind. Just goes to illustrate how far away the Presidency has moved away from the people in America.

Okay everyone - who wants to take one for the team and email Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? I'm sure he'd LOVE to respond - he wrote that nice open letter to President Bush, afterall.

Wait... that might get you on a governemt terrorist watch list... or worse. :mad:

for the curious... http://www.president.ir/email/

::runs and hids from the government::

njandrewg
08-23-2007, 10:58 AM
I submitted it to digg:
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Switzerland_s_president_learns_about_Ron

R_Harris
08-23-2007, 11:07 AM
Hey all, I am a huge Ron Paul Fan from Switzerland and I have been lurking here for quite a while, you people give me a lot of hope. So I do not destroy your hopes out of spite, but out of sadness. Our president (title actually means nothing, top exec position is held by seven people simultaneosly so thankfully she can not induce as much damage as your pres) is a socialist you would run away from screaming like a baby. If you think Hillary is bad, you haven't heard of Calmy Rey. She belongs to a party called social democratic party of Switzerland. That party just accepted about five years ago, that communism might not be that good of an idea, but still stands for massive redistribution of wealth and played a huge part in Switzerlands joining the U.N., now pushing for joining the EU. You could choose any position of RP - she will be against it. So maybe she is planning to travel to the U.S to talk to some members of congress or maybe her staff is just as idiotic as she is and didn't get it correctly.

If the Americans do not want Ron Paul, we will take him in a heartbeat. - Because we need him as much as you do. The idea of liberty is dying here too.

"The Switzerland of yore is no more."


When Switzerland started selling TONS of their gold hoard out on the open market several years ago, I figured that something was going on. The Swiss government of 30,40,50 years ago would have never done any such thing. So the modern Swiss government has also started regarding gold as the "barbarous relic."

A socialist Switzerland - man, things must be getting really bad.

swissmiss
08-23-2007, 11:11 AM
Thank you for the welcome, and Lois climate is continental European, four distinguished seasons, quite hot in summer, cold and snowy in winter, nothing compared to New York though. My German friends always tell me to stop bitching, because Switzerland is still a save heaven, so maybe I am only being overly pessimistic. But after years of stating, that a gun in every household shows the trust the government has in its people, they just decided, that from now on the men (every male has to serve) can still keep their Army weapons - but not the munition. Why? To protect women. Kind of did not work - I am scared now.

Stefan
08-23-2007, 11:17 AM
If anyone is interested in reading about economic freedom, in Switzerland and in other countries, I can recomend The Index of Economic Freedom (http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/countries.cfm) made by the Heritage Foundation.

Enjoy!

Politeia
08-23-2007, 11:27 AM
...from now on the men (every male has to serve) can still keep their Army weapons - but not the munition. Why? To protect women. Kind of did not work - I am scared now.

Yes, it's always to protect the defenseless, women and children. Just yesterday someone posted (I thought it was at Lew Rockwell, but I can't find it now) the logo of the Homeland Security dept: a woman and child, now, thankfully, safe, due to the eternal vigilance of HS.

Welcome to the Brave New World. The State is now your provider and protector ... as Warren Farrell put it, your husband. Apparently this is what women want (to answer Freud), for it is what they have used their new political power to get, all around the world.

SeanEdwards
08-23-2007, 11:47 AM
Yes, it's always to protect the defenseless, women and children. Just yesterday someone posted (I thought it was at Lew Rockwell, but I can't find it now) the logo of the Homeland Security dept: a woman and child, now, thankfully, safe, due to the eternal vigilance of HS.

Welcome to the Brave New World. The State is now your provider and protector ... as Warren Farrell put it, your husband. Apparently this is what women want (to answer Freud), for it is what they have used their new political power to get, all around the world.

The state also becomes the father figure. Single-parent households are practically the norm in America. Men have been reduced to sperm donors, and the very notion of fatherhood is derided and dismissed as unecessary. Organizations such as the APA have published studies that assert that fathers and marriage are actually detrimental to child-rearing. You just can't make this stuff up. Check out this article:

http://www.copss.org/research/SandA/horn.htm

ChooseLiberty
08-23-2007, 11:50 AM
Sorry to hear about Switzerland. I'd say it has something to do with over-feminization but that would be politically incorrect.

The police state in the US is rising to protect - the soccer mommies and babies from "terrists". As long as they can throw that image at the public the sheeple will comply. Eventually the frog will be cooked.

IMO there are very few women anywhere in the world that don't want the "nanny state" which eventually becomes big brother. Not sure how to convince women this isn't the way to go either, but if someone could come up with an idea it would be golden. Maybe showing little Muffy and Buffy pulled from their SUV and placed in chains or a prison camp to better serve the public good? Soccer mommies just don't get it.




Yes, it's always to protect the defenseless, women and children. Just yesterday someone posted (I thought it was at Lew Rockwell, but I can't find it now) the logo of the Homeland Security dept: a woman and child, now, thankfully, safe, due to the eternal vigilance of HS.

Welcome to the Brave New World. The State is now your provider and protector ... as Warren Farrell put it, your husband. Apparently this is what women want (to answer Freud), for it is what they have used their new political power to get, all around the world.

crhoades
08-23-2007, 12:14 PM
For you readers out there check out The Genevan Reformation and the American Founding (http://www.amazon.com/Genevan-Reformation-American-Founding/dp/073911106X/ref=sr_1_1/103-8258076-4333413?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187892722&sr=8-1) by David Hall.

Of course if you're like me you have a stack of books that you're A.D.D.ing on without finishing any of them.

PrimarilyPaul
08-23-2007, 12:18 PM
Wow, I got quite the response to this!


ok, I'm serious about this. Forward me the email. I have Jesse Benton's cell phone. I'll call him after I get a copy of the email. Email me at DjLoTi@RonPaulradio .com

I want your email and the President of Switzerland's email, and any other info you can give me.


What you see is pretty much what happened. I contacted her through her contact form (http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/dfa/head/contac.html) on July 19th and got a response back on August 15th. PM me if you want more information.


So maybe she is planning to travel to the U.S to talk to some members of congress or maybe her staff is just as idiotic as she is and didn't get it correctly.


That's what I was thinking but she does mention Ron Paul specifically, not as part of a group like "We're meeting some congresspeople and might have the chance to talk with Ron Paul." Hey, we can always hope, maybe some of Ron Paul's libertarianess will rub off on her.



If the Americans do not want Ron Paul, we will take him in a heartbeat. - Because we need him as much as you do. The idea of liberty is dying here too.

We'll follow him there :).


okay, how the heck does someone just email the President of Switzerland - And get a response?!? LOL... this is just blowing my mind.

Just gotta fill out the contact form and wait a month :). I doubt she personally responded, most likely someone from her staff did, but the important point is that she got to hear about Ron Paul.

Dustancostine
08-23-2007, 12:19 PM
I saw a study and I don't have it infront of me, but married women with children are predominantly Republican. While the majority of unmarried or single women is Democrat.

Not sure what it is worth, but there you go.

americahashope
08-23-2007, 12:20 PM
ummm... Choose Liberty, generlize much?

"IMO there are very few women anywhere in the world that don't want the "nanny state" which eventually becomes big brother. Not sure how to convince women this isn't the way to go either, but if someone could come up with an idea it would be golden. Maybe showing little Muffy and Buffy pulled from their SUV and placed in chains or a prison camp to better serve the public good? Soccer mommies just don't get it."

I'm one of those "soccer moms" that you hold so much disdain for. And guess what, I don't want a nanny state. Try not offending the people you are attempting to convince, that would be a start.

Eli
08-23-2007, 12:31 PM
maybe she'll make a donation?

ChooseLiberty
08-23-2007, 12:34 PM
They are Republican for issues like abortion, IMO. At this point there isn't much difference between the Dems and Repubs on freedom issues. All the leading Repub candidates except Dr. Paul are definitely "police state" "nanny state" BIG government types. So what if they don't want "socialized medicine"? That's even a sham since W pushed thru the medicare drugs bill.


I saw a study and I don't have it infront of me, but married women with children are predominantly Republican. While the majority of unmarried or single women is Democrat.

Not sure what it is worth, but there you go.

ChooseLiberty
08-23-2007, 12:37 PM
I'm sure there are exceptions. Just my observations which seem to hold true over the general population.

If you've got an argument that appeals to soccer mommies you could definitely help out the cause of freedom by sharing it with the world.


ummm... Choose Liberty, generlize much?

"IMO there are very few women anywhere in the world that don't want the "nanny state" which eventually becomes big brother. Not sure how to convince women this isn't the way to go either, but if someone could come up with an idea it would be golden. Maybe showing little Muffy and Buffy pulled from their SUV and placed in chains or a prison camp to better serve the public good? Soccer mommies just don't get it."

I'm one of those "soccer moms" that you hold so much disdain for. And guess what, I don't want a nanny state. Try not offending the people you are attempting to convince, that would be a start.

Revolution9
08-23-2007, 12:38 PM
ummm... Choose Liberty, generlize much?

"IMO there are very few women anywhere in the world that don't want the "nanny state" which eventually becomes big brother. Not sure how to convince women this isn't the way to go either, but if someone could come up with an idea it would be golden. Maybe showing little Muffy and Buffy pulled from their SUV and placed in chains or a prison camp to better serve the public good? Soccer mommies just don't get it."

I'm one of those "soccer moms" that you hold so much disdain for. And guess what, I don't want a nanny state. Try not offending the people you are attempting to convince, that would be a start.

Quick..find another category!:D You are not a "soccer mom". You are an American Mom!:)

Best
Randy

maiki
08-23-2007, 12:49 PM
I think one of the principal issues is healthcare. The problem is that there are many first world countries that have socialized healthcare, and although it has great problems, they see that it works *well enough* for most common ailments. They don't see that there could be a better alternative, because there is nowhere to look to see it in action. Without good examples, it is a leap of faith. It is hard for many people.

Politeia
08-23-2007, 01:16 PM
Not sure how to convince women this isn't the way to go either, but if someone could come up with an idea it would be golden.

I don't know if it's possible. It's been noted that while for males the instinctive primary value is freedom, for females it's security. This is natural, and as it should be. But the question is, who is best suited to make political decisions that define how we all live?

Yes, americahashope, there are exceptions, and please note that Choose Liberty wrote "there are very few women" not "there are no women". But exceptions are just that: exceptions. Remember, women are the majority in the population at large, and also a clear majority of voters; so in this democracy, what we have is what women want.

Anyway, this is why my second choice for president, should Ron Paul not be elected, would be Hillary. (Not that I'd vote for her, of course.) I figure, if the disease must run its course, let's go ahead and get it over with. Women will have what they want; let them have it undiluted and unrestrained, and see how they like it.

Sure would be great to see two presidential candidates: Ron Paul and Hillary. America's choice would then be as clear as could be imagined.

hard@work
08-23-2007, 01:18 PM
If it is in the political interest of Switzerland, they have the ability to have our "Mainstream Media" pay attention to a meeting between themselves and Ron Paul. This would be a major coup in the debate regarding foreign relations and foreign policy. How valuable Switzerland sees this type of meeting is what would make the decision for them of course.

In my opinion it could potentially force the corporate controlled system of information distribution to recognize the Paul campaign as a first tier candidate. I would believe that this would be something Switzerland may see as a valuable addition to their relationship with our country. As for how to encourage this I am at a loss, but good luck guys.

:)

0zzy
08-23-2007, 01:19 PM
Was this real?

And have you sent it to the campaign djLoti?

torchbearer
08-23-2007, 01:28 PM
Yes, it's always to protect the defenseless, women and children. Just yesterday someone posted (I thought it was at Lew Rockwell, but I can't find it now) the logo of the Homeland Security dept: a woman and child, now, thankfully, safe, due to the eternal vigilance of HS.

Welcome to the Brave New World. The State is now your provider and protector ... as Warren Farrell put it, your husband. Apparently this is what women want (to answer Freud), for it is what they have used their new political power to get, all around the world.

As a sociologist I had never thought about that before, but you do bring up a good point, since women tend to seek security and men tend to value beauty... that in some way vicariously women in general would favor candidates that promise security.

ChooseLiberty
08-23-2007, 01:34 PM
'The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world'...

And brings you the BIG GOVERNMENT police state.

I'm sure everyone knows how Hitler rose to power and it was all about "security".

I didn't even know about the Heimland security logo, but it fits right in. They've obviously hired some great spin doctors.


As a sociologist I had never thought about that before, but you do bring up a good point, since women tend to seek security and men tend to value beauty... that in some way vicariously women in general would favor candidates that promise security.

inibo
08-23-2007, 01:35 PM
If the Americans do not want Ron Paul, we will take him in a heartbeat. - Because we need him as much as you do. The idea of liberty is dying here too.

:D

That is so sweet. However, we'd like to keep him. Now if you could take the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave off our hands we'd be grateful.

ChairmanMao
08-23-2007, 01:37 PM
Anyone know if this got to Kent's or Dr. Paul's ears? I can get it there quickly but if its already been done I dont want to bother them.

torchbearer
08-23-2007, 01:40 PM
Anyone know if this got to Kent's or Dr. Paul's ears? I can get it there quickly but if its already been done I dont want to bother them.

Ask DJLOTI, he was the only person to say he wanted to contact the campaign directly...

inibo
08-23-2007, 01:43 PM
Quick..find another category!:D You are not a "soccer mom". You are an American Mom!:)

Best
Randy

Freedom Moms!

Syren123
08-23-2007, 04:15 PM
I too thought it was odd that she was bragging about being in the UN.

Some people are still impressed with the UN. Oh well. I'm just really impressed with Switzerland's resistance to pressure to relax their banking laws. They do roll over on some things, but they tell the Fed and the US Treasury to kiss their ass on most of their stupid intrusive demands.

Syren123
08-23-2007, 04:21 PM
Hey all, I am a huge Ron Paul Fan from Switzerland and I have been lurking here for quite a while, you people give me a lot of hope. So I do not destroy your hopes out of spite, but out of sadness. Our president (title actually means nothing, top exec position is held by seven people simultaneosly so thankfully she can not induce as much damage as your pres) is a socialist you would run away from screaming like a baby. If you think Hillary is bad, you haven't heard of Calmy Rey. She belongs to a party called social democratic party of Switzerland. That party just accepted about five years ago, that communism might not be that good of an idea, but still stands for massive redistribution of wealth and played a huge part in Switzerlands joining the U.N., now pushing for joining the EU. You could choose any position of RP - she will be against it. So maybe she is planning to travel to the U.S to talk to some members of congress or maybe her staff is just as idiotic as she is and didn't get it correctly.

If the Americans do not want Ron Paul, we will take him in a heartbeat. - Because we need him as much as you do. The idea of liberty is dying here too.

Bummer.

slantedview
08-23-2007, 04:45 PM
You are the man (or woman). Great job!

angelatc
08-23-2007, 04:50 PM
I've emailed Bush many times...I wonder why I never got a reply? maybe it was my tone, lol.

My kid mailed PResident Bush a penny "for luck" right after the 2004 election. He got back a cold letter chiding him about sending cash to an elected official.

tnvoter
08-23-2007, 10:57 PM
this is awesome

Mesogen
08-29-2007, 09:06 AM
I LOVE their system of the federal council.

C&P from the blog. Don't feel like typing it over.

For a long time I have advocated such a system for the US. Not specifically a seven member council, but sort of. There would be a commander in chief that would be elected, a prime ambassador to be the primary representative of the US, and a few other positions like that. The executive branch would consist of about half a dozen mostly autonomous divisions that no one person could sway.

But I also like the federal council idea. Imagine if we had to vote for seven people. In the current atmosphere, Ron Paul would definitely make it onto that council and then we'd have a huge voice in the executive. It would be a far better scenario than the all or nothing situation we have currently.


Maybe I'll start a thread later to attempt to extol the virtues of not having a president.

Mesogen
08-29-2007, 09:08 AM
Freedom Moms!

Excellent counter to the "Security Moms" line. :)

sickmint79
08-29-2007, 09:53 AM
wow, you got a letter back from the president of switzerland. that is pretty awesome.

drbonz55
07-25-2011, 07:31 AM
Hi PrimarilyPaul
I am in Switzerland for another week and was wondering if you still had the Presidents Email addy I thought that I would remind her that RPaul is running again.
yours in Liberty
Dan Prentice
drbonz55@gmail.com