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adam1mc
05-13-2008, 10:23 AM
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/22437/26/

Ron Paul Supporters
Please Vote for Obama in November

by Alex ThurstonImage
http://www.theseminal.com/


The wing of the Republican Party that is dissatisfied with both George Bush and John McCain has swung back into view recently. Dedicated, activist supporters of Ron Paul are "quietly [plotting] GOP convention revolt against McCain," the LA Times' blog tells us. The next battleground after their "stunning success in Nevada," DailyKos' McJoan says, is Idaho, where Paul supporters are attempting to take over the state level GOP committee.
If is followers are organized enough, they might be able to pull off a repeat of Nevada and possibly throw a monkey wrench into the downticket races. Both Bill Sali, Idaho's first district represenative, and Jim Risch, current lieutenant governor and the party establishment's heir apparent for Larry Craig's seat, have primaries. Risch, in fact, has seven of opponents, a few of them the run-of-the-mill Idaho Republican kooks (including the Californian who has never been to Idaho), and a few of them fairly serious and committed.

A srious revolt by Paul's people, should it trickle down the ticket, might give Risch a bit of a scare in his march to the nomination. Once he gets that nomination (and he almost certainly will) he's going to have to contend with one of two Independent challengers: the elk rancher who has made it his goal in life to harrass Risch (so much so that he decided to run as an Independent, to up his chances of being on the general election ballot), and Pro-Life, a Ron Paul supporter), who has made it his goal in life to be on the Idaho ballot every two years. Is any of this enough to really endanger Risch or McCain in getting their respective nominations? Highly unlikely, but it could make things a little more fun to watch.

The GOP brass begged Barr not to run. And Sean Hannity's complete freak out on this clip shows you just how spooked the wingnuts are over this.

Make no mistake: this is a huge blow to the Republicans, who are already fighting with one arm tied behind their backs thanks to Dubya, Iraq, the economy and Dubya.

I think all this is not just cause for progressives to laugh scornfully at a divided GOP, but also a call for frank dialogue about our country's future. Having battled a lot with Paul supporters on the pages of this blog I believe that some of them - not all - genuinely have a vision for this country. Though it is a powerful one, I do not agree with it. Nonetheless, I respect their urge to change their party from the inside, and I have done my best to understand their leader's appeal.

But to Paul supporters, libertarians, and other unhappy Republicans, I have a request to make: vote for Barack Obama this fall. If your efforts bear fruit, and you can weaken McCain, great. Thank you. But don't cast your vote for Bob Barr or write in Ron Paul on your ballot in November.

Why? Because a vote against McCain is essentially a vote for Obama, even if you cast it for another Republican. So give it to Obama directly, and give it to him as a mandate to end the war in Iraq.

We already had one Democratic president who won with a plurality (not a majority) of votes, twice, because of a third-party, right-leaning candidate. And what mandate did Bill Clinton have? What benefit did Ross Perot's supporters reap from their votes? Did they have grounds on which to hold Clinton accountable?

If you believe in smaller government, then give Obama a mandate to end the war. Let's elect him not with an electorate divided 43-37-19, as it was in 1992, nor even 49-40-8, as it was in 1996, but with a majority, a real majority, and one that signals to him that that majority wants the war to end.

Can we not start there? After the US leaves Iraq, you can go back to calling me a socialist, and I can go back to calling your free market beliefs naive and immoral, and whatever else we can come up with to throw at each other. But without leaving Iraq, you and I will be having those debates in a country that is poorer and weaker than it is now. A country where we worry more about our children's futures, about whether the bridges we drive across will hold up, about whether America is going to remain competitive in science and industry.

Let's not send a confused message to the victor of the presidential election this fall. Let's not send the message that we are a country divided and unsure about what it wants, simultaneously pulling in three, four, five directions. Let's send the message that the Bush years are over, definitively, and so is the war.

So do your worst to McCain. But if, in early September, we find that the choice still remains one of Obama versus McCain, then please give your support directly to Barack Obama. Give him that mandate, so that he'll know that on at least one issue - the biggest issue of our times, in my eyes - the majority of the country speaks with one voice.

Alex Thurston is currently a student in the Master's Program of Arab Studies at Georgetown University. He graduated from Northwestern University in 2005 with a BA in Religion. He can be reached at alex@theseminal.com.

enjerth
05-13-2008, 10:33 AM
Another effort at dividing us between the leading party candidates, rather than voting for who we believe in.

My vote won't go to either McCain, Obama or Clinton. None of them are worthy in my opinion.

pinkmandy
05-13-2008, 10:35 AM
If you believe in smaller government, then give Obama a mandate to end the war.

LMAO! Don't worry about giving up our sovereignty to a bigger govt body- the UNITED NATIONS, turning our troops into UN peacekeepers, ending the war in Iraq in a few years so we can fight other wars...oh, no...let's all rally behind Obama and send a clear mandate that we want higher taxes and a govt that takes care of us, rights be damned. Good grief. That article was wasted breath. Does voting your conscience mean anything to these people?

Athan
05-13-2008, 12:14 PM
This election year was rigged against us. So to hell anyone who the media loves. I make no compromises with my freedom. So obama is not getting my Ron Paul vote.

Send this man a memo for me:

Dear dumbass,

Your a dumbass.

From Athan

P.S.
This letter shortened due to your inability to understand Ron Paul's positions. Therefore, it is only obvious that you wouldn't understand MY argument either.
For the Republic! For the Cause!

acroso
05-13-2008, 12:16 PM
Obama is not getting my vote, but I'd rather vote Obama than McCain at this point especially after the treatment of Ron Paul supporters in Nevada and elsewhere where the GOP jsut starts cheating and whatever else.

PatriotOne
05-13-2008, 12:41 PM
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/22437/26/

Ron Paul Supporters
Please Vote for Obama in November

by Alex ThurstonImage

Good point Alex. Hopefully I will of returned from my trip to Venus to cast that ballot.

Dorfsmith
05-13-2008, 12:45 PM
My vote won't go to either McCain, Obama or Clinton. None of them are worthy in my opinion.

X2

ClayTrainor
05-13-2008, 12:47 PM
People really have no idea how objective Ron Paul supporters are at taking the country back, lol.

These idiots just want their guy to win like it's an f'ing sport.

Akus
05-13-2008, 12:49 PM
I didn't read the whole thing, I can only have my intelligence insulted for so long.

MGreen
05-13-2008, 12:55 PM
It seems to me like voting for an anti-war but pro-market third party candidate would still send the message that the people want out of Iraq. And at the same time, it would not be interpreted as a vote for socialist policies.

Because that's what a vote directly for Obama would be. Voting for a Paul-like candidate instead says we disagree with McCain on the war, and disagree with Obama on the economy/healthcare/everything.

Akus
05-13-2008, 12:59 PM
It seems to me like voting for an anti-war but pro-market third party candidate would still send the message that the people want out of Iraq. And at the same time, it would not be interpreted as a vote for socialist policies.

Because that's what a vote directly for Obama would be. Voting for a Paul-like candidate instead says we disagree with McCain on the war, and disagree with Obama on the economy/healthcare/everything.
I can never say this enough.

After St. Paul, if we fail to get the nomination, we must, MUST make a massive exodus to the Libertarian Party. I don't mind if we do it to the Constitution party, so long as it is organized, massive and agreed upon by everyone.

Mortikhi
05-13-2008, 01:22 PM
I can never say this enough.

After St. Paul, if we fail to get the nomination, we must, MUST make a massive exodus to the Libertarian Party. I don't mind if we do it to the Constitution party, so long as it is organized, massive and agreed upon by everyone.
I can go along with that plan

RideTheDirt
05-13-2008, 02:07 PM
I say we don't settle for less than Ron Paul in the white house!
Let's hold a fucking coup if we have to!

but seriously FUCK Mc******, FUCK Obama, and FUCK Hillary

haaaylee
05-13-2008, 02:12 PM
This election year was rigged against us. So to hell anyone who the media loves. I make no compromises with my freedom. So obama is not getting my Ron Paul vote.

Send this man a memo for me:

Dear dumbass,

Your a dumbass.

From Athan

P.S.
This letter shortened due to your inability to understand Ron Paul's positions. Therefore, it is only obvious that you wouldn't understand MY argument either.
For the Republic! For the Cause!


you might want to change "your" to "you're" if you are going to try to smarter than this person ......:confused:

ronpaulitician
05-13-2008, 02:14 PM
a vote against McCain is essentially a vote for Obama
Is it that hard for people to understand that some voters don't go along with the "must choose one of the two presidential candidates presented to you" concept?

4RP08inKCMO
05-13-2008, 02:22 PM
I can never say this enough.

After St. Paul, if we fail to get the nomination, we must, MUST make a massive exodus to the Libertarian Party. I don't mind if we do it to the Constitution party, so long as it is organized, massive and agreed upon by everyone.

Count me in. Neither Barr (if he is the LP nominee) nor Baldwin are perfect, but I would love to see us rally behind one of them.

JMann
05-13-2008, 02:27 PM
Couldn't this be just as easily written as the McCain forces trying to take over the GOP from the majority that are Paul supporters?

josephadel_3
05-13-2008, 02:30 PM
Stupid. Ron Paul would discourage this idea. Why should we support someone Ron Paul has repeatedly said he would not support? Voting for Obama equals supporting Obama. The logic of the article sucks. This truly would be "throwing your vote away." We can say to this guy after the election, "Not only did we fail to get Ron Paul nominated, but you voted for a war mongering socialist." I wish this guy realized Obama would be only just a little bit less of an interventionist than McCain.

idiom
05-13-2008, 02:38 PM
you might want to change "your" to "you're" if you are going to try to smarter than this person ......:confused:

I love it when people write 'your a dumbass'

Brown Sapper
05-13-2008, 02:39 PM
I can never say this enough.

After St. Paul, if we fail to get the nomination, we must, MUST make a massive exodus to the Libertarian Party. I don't mind if we do it to the Constitution party, so long as it is organized, massive and agreed upon by everyone.

I hate following someone blindly but maybe we should support whoever RP supports if he doesn't gets a nomination. This isn't a plug for any candidate but it will help keep us soldified.

Carole
05-13-2008, 03:11 PM
Someone tell Alex to have all his Obama people to vote for Ron Paul instead. That would be a much surer path to smaller government.

Only Ron Paul has earned my vote.

AndyWhite
05-13-2008, 03:27 PM
Collectivists asking individualists to support them? After exposing his ignorance by claiming that believing in free markets is, "naive," he expects us to join him. No I'm sorry, but the central economic planning we've had since 1913 that hasn't worked will not magically start working with Obama. I don't think more than 5% of Ron Paul's supporters will vote for Obama. I'll be writing RP in or voting for Baldwin, Barr is too much of a neo-con for my liking.

JMann
05-13-2008, 06:02 PM
Collectivists asking individualists to support them? After exposing his ignorance by claiming that believing in free markets is, "naive," he expects us to join him. No I'm sorry, but the central economic planning we've had since 1913 that hasn't worked will not magically start working with Obama. I don't think more than 5% of Ron Paul's supporters will vote for Obama. I'll be writing RP in or voting for Baldwin, Barr is too much of a neo-con for my liking.

I don't think most people know that Obama is a small 'm' marxist. Personally I don't think he is electable but I wouldn't mind seeing the Paul supporters (after the convention) getting behind Barr or whoever and cause enough problems for McCain to back door Obama. The start a massive effort for Mark Sanford or whoever the revolution wants to support in 2012.

LibertyEagle
05-13-2008, 06:14 PM
I can never say this enough.

After St. Paul, if we fail to get the nomination, we must, MUST make a massive exodus to the Libertarian Party. I don't mind if we do it to the Constitution party, so long as it is organized, massive and agreed upon by everyone.

For what purpose? I can't see how that's going to do a dang thing to help the state of affairs. Perhaps you could explain it to me.

Right now, like it or not, we have a 2 party system. If we don't gain control of one of them, all we're going to be doing is sitting on the sidelines and whining about how it ain't fair.

ProBlue33
05-13-2008, 06:27 PM
If your NOT in a swing state, then vote for whoever.
But if your in state that is a 3-5 point spread in November, Ron Paul people could make a difference. Here is the choice those voters in those states must make.

1)Writing in Ron Paul makes a statement, but it really voids your vote as to influence.
2)Who do you hate more Obama or the GOP and McCain?
3)The other parties really have no chance, so make your vote count.
4)Finally with the arrogance & stupidity of the GOP, they deserve to be punished in 2008.

Remember this would only apply to states where it's close between McCain and Obama. For example Calfornia will most likely be democratic, so writing in Ron Paul makes a statement but doesn't really waste a vote.

JMann
05-13-2008, 06:29 PM
For what purpose? I can't see how that's going to do a dang thing to help the state of affairs. Perhaps you could explain it to me.

Right now, like it or not, we have a 2 party system. If we don't gain control of one of them, all we're going to be doing is sitting on the sidelines and whining about how it ain't fair.

I agree that 3rd parties are for the most part useless because like the major parties they are controlled by the most extreme members and in the LP's case that is deadly.

If the LP (for example) get's Paul's supporters and donors and is able to cause McCain to lose than Paul people can either start working on a Sanford campaign for 2012. IF that doesn't look like a good idea, a strong LP party showing this year can qualify that party for some ballots for '12 and maybe the LP can spend more time and money promoting the party instead of trying to get ballot access.

Akus
05-13-2008, 06:33 PM
For what purpose? I can't see how that's going to do a dang thing to help the state of affairs. Perhaps you could explain it to me.

Right now, like it or not, we have a 2 party system. If we don't gain control of one of them, all we're going to be doing is sitting on the sidelines and whining about how it ain't fair.

No. You, my friend and fellow Liberty lover, are mistaken.

This is an actual chance for the Third Direction in Politics to win. There are angry Liberals and Republicans. I believe they are particularly multiple this time around. If we all together as one solid monolith block pull the lever #3, we can win. And, assuming CP or LP will be available as a voting choice in all 50 or at least in 48 states, we can make a giant wave when our guy wins.

For once, our movement will be taken seriously, because the only way for anyone to take anyone else seriously is to provide visible tangible results. After Septermer 4th, or 5th, whenever Convention ends, we will have our chance to shine.

Danke
05-13-2008, 06:37 PM
No. You, my friend and fellow Liberty lover, are mistaken.

This is an actual chance for the Third Direction in Politics to win. There are angry Liberals and Republicans. I believe they are particularly multiple this time around. If we all together as one solid monolith block pull the lever #3, we can win. And, assuming CP or LP will be available as a voting choice in all 50 or at least in 48 states, we can make a giant wave when our guy wins.

For once, our movement will be taken seriously, because the only way for anyone to take anyone else seriously is to provide visible tangible results. After Septermer 4th, or 5th, whenever Convention ends, we will have our chance to shine.

I think the angry liberals (if they were to stray) would vote for Nader. But I think most of them are mad at Nader for running before and splitting the vote to give the White House to the GOP, so more than likely they will stick with whomever gets the DFL nomination.

JMann
05-13-2008, 06:45 PM
I think the angry liberals (if they were to stray) would vote for Nader. But I think most of them are mad at Nader for running before and splitting the vote to give the White House to the GOP, so more than likely they will stick with whomever gets the DFL nomination.

Liberals should be upset with Pat Buchanan since he was on the other side of the butterfly ballot and did real well in that county. Of course it could be argued that he had a house in the county with the bf ballot and the fact he had Ezola Foster as a running mate maybe he actually did get that many votes;);)

soapmistress
05-13-2008, 06:46 PM
Bwahahahaha!

Akus
05-13-2008, 07:39 PM
I think the angry liberals (if they were to stray) would vote for Nader. But I think most of them are mad at Nader for running before and splitting the vote to give the White House to the GOP, so more than likely they will stick with whomever gets the DFL nomination.

in a way, you make my point for me. We will only be taken seriously if we get us some wins. I personally know people who are Hillary voters and will never vote for Republicans after Bush Jr. They voted for Nader in Y2K and got Bush and will never touch a third guy with a ten mile, let alone a ten foot pole.