MEETUP Folks- Who is Tim Shaw?

[wd4freedom]

I noticed a person by the name of Tim Shaw signed into my local meetup with no profile. Then checked to learn that he was a member of about every RP meetup across the country. He is from Fairfield Iowa.

Is this person an RP supporter? I removed him from our meetup. I want to be open and invite all who are interested, but I do believe that as we get closer to convention, others are gathering intel by joining RP meetups.

Anyone else have info?

[ClockwiseSpark]

Wow, he's in my meetup too. Hmm, should I boot him?

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Looks like he's exactly what you suspected...

Timothy Shaw

POLICY ADVISOR
ORANGE COUNTY

1401 S HARBOR BLVD
La Habra CA


From: http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Shaw&fname=Tim

[rational thinker]

Who is the weakest link?:p

[wd4freedom]

Wow, he's in my meetup too. Hmm, should I boot him?

If he is with national campaign, I have no problem. But until he gives me a better reason for joining all these meetups, then he will stay out of our local in NM.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I have removed him from our meetup too. He contributed to Mitt Romney, at least twice, and decent sized sums. He's not a Ron Paul supporter.

[ClockwiseSpark]

I have removed him from our meetup too. He contributed to Mitt Romney, at least twice, and decent sized sums. He's not a Ron Paul supporter.

Yeah I saw that too. He's out of my meetup as well.

[PatriotOne]

Is this person an RP supporter? I removed him from our meetup. I want to be open and invite all who are interested, but I do believe that as we get closer to convention, others are gathering intel by joining RP meetups.



Intel? Insurgents? Infiltrate? All words I hear being thrown around by the press and members often. I guess I did unwittingly join a terrorist organization :eek: ;)

[humanic]

Booted from my meetup as well. Thanks. His name is just "Tim" now.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Looks like he's exactly what you suspected...

Timothy Shaw

POLICY ADVISOR
ORANGE COUNTY

1401 S HARBOR BLVD
La Habra CA


From: http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Shaw&fname=Tim

http://www.timshaw2008.com/welcome.html

[ClockwiseSpark]

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[Cowlesy]

Looks like he's exactly what you suspected...

Timothy Shaw

POLICY ADVISOR
ORANGE COUNTY

1401 S HARBOR BLVD
La Habra CA


From: http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Shaw&fname=Tim

Wow if that's the same guy, nice pull there.

[torchbearer]

Wow if that's the same guy, nice pull there.

Our guys are better than the CIA, and they work on virtually no budget.

[Cowlesy]

Our guys are better than the CIA, and they work on virtually no budget.

Oh I totally agree. You need to figure out someone or something that's somewhat questionable, people here can sniff it out like bloodhounds in no time.

As Rev9 would call them, the "Sheepdogs" of the Revolution.

[IPSecure]

Pizza!

[wd4freedom]

This is really sad.... and when you think that these folks portray themselves as honest , truthful, fightin' for the "common man", etc. and then they pull these underhanded tactics to make a buck - only to promote themselves and their quest for power.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Wow if that's the same guy, nice pull there.

I do a bit of private detective work in my spare time. The internet has sh*t scary amounts of accessible data, you just need to know how to find it.

[RonPaulGuyEastWA]

He's been kicked out of our local Meetup with the following message to him:

You should be ashamed of yourself, posing as a Ron Paul supporter when you in fact support a Neoconservative viewpoint. Misrepresenting yourself makes you a liar and Ron Paul folks don't trust liars. I hope that at some point you will come around to understanding and promoting individual liberty and personal responsibility, but until then you will not belong to my local Ron Paul meetup. I highly suggest you read Dr. Paul's book, "The Revolution: A Manifesto" so you might truly understand what real Republicans are fighting for.

[Melissa]

I had him in mine too thanks so much for the warning

[ClockwiseSpark]

He's going to be surprised when he checks his email. :p

[pepperpete1]

Looks like he's exactly what you suspected...

Timothy Shaw

POLICY ADVISOR
ORANGE COUNTY

1401 S HARBOR BLVD
La Habra CA


From: http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Shaw&fname=Tim

Same Timothy Shaw?

http://www.smartvoter.org/2002/11/05/ca/or/vote/shaw_t/philosophy.html

[pinkmandy]

We have him, too. Out in the boonies no less. He must be joining all of them if he signed up for our little one.

[Adam Smith]

He was in OUR group too!!! Here's a list of all the ones he's in (from his member profile).

The Marion Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Houston County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Falls Church City Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Northeast Mississippi Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The El Centro Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Litchfield Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
South Lake Tahoe for Ron Paul 2008
The Caldwell County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The West Brookfield Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Harford County MD Ron Paul for President Meetup
The Ocean Springs Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Kosciusko County for Ron Paul 2008
The Jacksonville Area Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Sweden Stockholm Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Gilroy Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Eastern Arkansas Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Canandaigua Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Alaskans for Ron Paul Statewide Network
The South-Central Virginia Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
UMBC Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Palm Desert Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Pinehurst Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Rotterdam Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Zanesville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Southside Ron Paul Revolutionaries
The Lindale Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Iowa Caucus VoteCount 2008 Meetup
The Watertown Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Writers, Media Publications, and Delegates for Ron Paul
The Phinney Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Alexandria, Louisiana Ron Paul 2008 Meet Up Group
The Bergen County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Pike County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group


The Sidney Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The New Albany Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Wichita Falls Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Waxahachie Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Eustis Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Paris Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Concord Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Ohio Government & Politics Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Davis Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Brookings Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Roanoke Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Strongsville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Ron Paul CNN/YouTube Debate/St. Petersburg, FL
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Christians for Ron Paul
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Pflugerville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Gainesville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Late Night Charleston Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Winnipeg libertarian meetup (formerly the Ron Paul meetup)
The Salmon Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Decatur Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

NJ Students & Young Professionals For Ron Paul 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

MILITARY for RON PAUL
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Contra Costa Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Dupont, WA for Ron Paul Meetup Group
Twin Tiers Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

NEW SMYRNA RON PAUL
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

DAYTONA RON PAUL
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Seattle Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Idaho Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Clermont Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Seaside Heights Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Great Barrington Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Mesquite Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Munich Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Greater NYC Libertarian Ron Paul Supporters
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Capital Region for Ron Paul
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Schenectady County for Ron Paul 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Longview Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Beaver County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Lynchburg Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Athens Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Dutchess County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Clarion, Pa. (Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group)
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Berlin Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Quakertown Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Reading Area Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Ron Paul Guardians of the Constitution
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Idaho Falls/Rexburg Area Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Boone Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Jackson Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Naples, FL Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Yorktown Ron Paul for President 2008 Meetup VA USA
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Brattleboro Ron Paul Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Kalispell Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

State of Iowa Coordinating Ron Paul 2008 Support Group
The Perth Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Waterloo/Cedar Falls Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Hamilton county Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Sussex County (Delaware) Ron Paul 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Hickory County, MO Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Howard County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Tonawanda Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Charlotte Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Dunwoody Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Tucson Ron Paul Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Los Angeles Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Meetups in the Making

[Adam Smith]

You guys this is serious.

[hillertexas]

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[belian78]

just booted him out of the Peoria and Pekin meetups. one was tim shaw, and the other was just tim. this burns my ass. i contacted about 3 other meetups letting them know he was in theirs too.

[Adam Smith]

Is he just randomly signing up, or does anyone notice a pattern?

[hillertexas]

just booted him out of the Peoria and Pekin meetups. one was tim shaw, and the other was just tim. this burns my ass. i contacted about 3 other meetups letting them know he was in theirs too.

WTF? And these weren't even on the list above.

[belian78]

it's bad to say this, but i'd say any new member joining within the last month and a half should be suspect. there's no telling how many others like this tim have joined meetups. maybe for the more active groups, all important mailings should be moved to a private email address list.

[hillertexas]

Is he just randomly signing up, or does anyone notice a pattern?

man, it looks random to me.

Do you have a link to his profile?....I wonder when he started joining these Meetups. He is a member of the CNN/Youtube Debate group. I wonder if he joined that group around the time of that debate or if he joined it recently.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Please also let the meetups know about the Tour. It seems Meetup has stopped our emails to them. :(

[Adam Smith]

Here are more groups he belongs to. I think this is a straw man. Anyone got any inroads to MeetUp to find out the contact info for this registrant?

The Seward Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

North San Diego County Ron Paul Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Covington Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Columbiana & Mahoning Counties for Ron Paul Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Upper Palouse Region Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The "Greasy Rock"Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Jamestown Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Natchez Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Supporters of Ron Paul, Akron OH
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Stevensville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Sitka/Petersburg/Wrangell (Dist. 2) Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Ketchikan / Thorne Bay (District 1) Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Blairsville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Truth and Honesty in Government. Vote Ron Paul in 08!!
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Bonners Ferry - N.W. Montana Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Rensselaer County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Simi Valley Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Allen Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Houston Ron Paul Discussion Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Weld County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Gloucester County (NJ) Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Kohler Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Fallbrook Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Carroll Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Brasília Ron Paul Brazil Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Gonzales County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Northwest Illinois Ron Paul Freedom Fighters
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Alton Godfrey Wood River Ron Paul Info Meetup Group
The Singapore Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Ron Paul's Tax Free Tips Act
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Statesboro Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Missouri Counties Network
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Cass County Ron Paul Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Bardstown Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Moosehead Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Ron Paul Connecticut Statewide Coordination Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Valdosta Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Opelousas Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Gold Bar, Monroe, Sky Valley Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

St. Paul 4 Ron Paul
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

North Central Ohio Ron Paul 2008 Meetup; Ron Paul rEVOLution
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Wayne County Ron Paul Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Carter County for Ron Paul 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Foothills Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Livermore Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Madrid Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Moses Lake for Ron Paul 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Freedom Lovers For Ron Paul 2008 Kauai Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Winter Park Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Operation: Morpheus
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Hannibal Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

North Scottsdale - Fountain Hills Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Ron Paul 2008 International Forum
The Napa Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

NC 3rd Congressional District Ron Paul Meetup
The Fairfield County for Ron Paul Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Sandpoint Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group - Guilford College
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Los Angeles Herbals for Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Priest River ID & Pend Oreille Co WA Ron Paul 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Madison County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

North Brazoria County for Ron Paul 2008
The Grants Pass Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The North Central Iowa Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

NE Students For Ron Paul
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Berkeley Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Stillwater Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Murray Ron Paul meetup group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Oregon Students for Ron Paul 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Atlantic County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Greensboro Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The LaPorte County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Anderson County Tennessee Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Knoxville Volunteers Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Blount Loudon McMinn & Monroe Co. Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Navarre Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Livingston County for Ron Paul in 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Santa Fe Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
SEMO Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Philadelphia Students for Ron Paul 2008
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Tennesseans for Honest Politicians
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Asheville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Dothan Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Green Anchor - An Austrian Economics Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Norfolk Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
The Joliet Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

WNC Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Monmouth County, NJ Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Pahrump Ron Paul Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Hammond Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Marietta Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Ithaca Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Orland Park Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Region/NW Indiana for Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Cumberland County Ron Paul REVOLUTION!
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Downtown St. Pete Ron Paul Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Leesburg / Wildwood Ron Paul Meetup
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Oregonians for Ron Paul
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

The Columbus Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

Grand Rapids For A Ron Paul Victory!
Tim Shaw's Ron Paul 2008 profile

[hopeforamerica]

Just booted him from Phoenix group. He joined May 1st.
I'm sending emails to all AZ organizers I can find! He has joined them all.

[hillertexas]

Here is another version of Adam Smith's list


1. Alaskans for Ron Paul Statewide Network
2. Alexandria, Louisiana Ron Paul 2008 Meet Up Group
3. Alton Godfrey Wood River Ron Paul Info Meetup Group
4. Beaver County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
5. Berkeley Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
6. Blount Loudon McMinn & Monroe Co. Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
7. Bonners Ferry - N.W. Montana Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
8. Brasília Ron Paul Brazil Meetup Group
9. Capital Region for Ron Paul
10. Carter County for Ron Paul 2008
11. Cass County Ron Paul Meetup Group
12. Christians for Ron Paul
13. Clarion, Pa. (Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group)
14. Clermont Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
15. Columbiana & Mahoning Counties for Ron Paul Meetup Group
16. DAYTONA RON PAUL
17. Downtown St. Pete Ron Paul Meetup
18. Dupont, WA for Ron Paul Meetup Group
19. Dutchess County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
20. Freedom Lovers For Ron Paul 2008 Kauai Meetup Group
21. Gloucester County (NJ) Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
22. Grand Rapids For A Ron Paul Victory!
23. Greater NYC Libertarian Ron Paul Supporters
24. Harford County MD Ron Paul for President Meetup
25. Hickory County, MO Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
26. Houston Ron Paul Discussion Group
27. Howard County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
28. Iowa Caucus VoteCount 2008 Meetup
29. Kosciusko County for Ron Paul 2008
30. Leesburg / Wildwood Ron Paul Meetup
31. Livingston County for Ron Paul in 2008
32. Los Angeles Herbals for Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
33. Madison County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
34. MILITARY for RON PAUL
35. Missouri Counties Network
36. Moses Lake for Ron Paul 2008
37. Murray Ron Paul meetup group
38. NC 3rd Congressional District Ron Paul Meetup
39. NE Students For Ron Paul
40. NEW SMYRNA RON PAUL
41. NJ Students & Young Professionals For Ron Paul 2008
42. North Brazoria County for Ron Paul 2008
43. North Central Ohio Ron Paul 2008 Meetup; Ron Paul rEVOLution
44. North San Diego County Ron Paul Meetup
45. North Scottsdale - Fountain Hills Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
46. Operation: Morpheus
47. Oregon Students for Ron Paul 2008
48. Oregonians for Ron Paul
49. Paris Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
50. Philadelphia Students for Ron Paul 2008
51. Priest River ID & Pend Oreille Co WA Ron Paul 2008
52. Rensselaer County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
53. Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group - Guilford College
54. Ron Paul CNN/YouTube Debate/St. Petersburg, FL
55. Ron Paul Connecticut Statewide Coordination Group
56. Ron Paul's Tax Free Tips Act
57. Schenectady County for Ron Paul 2008
58. Seattle Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
59. SEMO Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
60. South Lake Tahoe for Ron Paul 2008
61. Southside Ron Paul Revolutionaries
62. St. Paul 4 Ron Paul
63. State of Iowa Coordinating Ron Paul 2008 Support Group
64. Supporters of Ron Paul, Akron OH
65. Sussex County (Delaware) Ron Paul 2008
66. Tennesseans for Honest Politicians
67. The "Greasy Rock"Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
68. The Allen Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
69. The Anderson County Tennessee Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
70. The Asheville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
71. The Athens Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
72. The Atlantic County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
73. The Bardstown Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
74. The Bergen County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
75. The Berlin Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
76. The Blairsville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
77. The Boone Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
78. The Brattleboro Ron Paul Meetup Group
79. The Brookings Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
80. The Caldwell County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
81. The Canandaigua Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
82. The Carroll Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
83. The Charlotte Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
84. The Columbus Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
85. The Concord Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
86. The Contra Costa Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
87. The Covington Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
88. The Cumberland County Ron Paul REVOLUTION!
89. The Davis Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
90. The Decatur Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
91. The Dothan Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
92. The Dunwoody Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
93. The Eastern Arkansas Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
94. The El Centro Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
95. The Eustis Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
96. The Fairfield County for Ron Paul Meetup
97. The Fallbrook Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
98. The Falls Church City Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
99. The Foothills Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
100. The Gainesville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
101. The Gilroy Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
102. The Gold Bar, Monroe, Sky Valley Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
103. The Gonzales County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
104. The Grants Pass Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
105. The Great Barrington Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
106. The Green Anchor - An Austrian Economics Meetup
107. The Greensboro Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
108. The Hamilton county Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
109. The Hammond Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
110. The Hannibal Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
111. The Houston County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
112. The Idaho Falls/Rexburg Area Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
113. The Idaho Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
114. The Ithaca Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
115. The Jackson Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
116. The Jacksonville Area Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
117. The Jamestown Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
118. The Joliet Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
119. The Kalispell Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
120. The Ketchikan / Thorne Bay (District 1) Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
121. The Knoxville Volunteers Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
122. The Kohler Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
123. The LaPorte County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
124. The Late Night Charleston Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
125. The Lindale Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
126. The Litchfield Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
127. The Livermore Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
128. The Longview Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
129. The Los Angeles Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
130. The Lynchburg Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
131. The Madrid Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
132. The Marietta Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
133. The Marion Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
134. The Mesquite Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
135. The Monmouth County, NJ Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
136. The Moosehead Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
137. The Munich Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
138. The Napa Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
139. The Naples, FL Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
140. The Natchez Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
141. The Navarre Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
142. The New Albany Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
143. The Norfolk Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
144. The North Central Iowa Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
145. The Northeast Mississippi Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
146. The Northwest Illinois Ron Paul Freedom Fighters
147. The Ocean Springs Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
148. The Ohio Government & Politics Meetup Group
149. The Opelousas Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
150. The Orland Park Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
151. The Pahrump Ron Paul Meetup
152. The Palm Desert Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
153. The Perth Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
154. The Pflugerville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
155. The Phinney Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
156. The Pike County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
157. The Pinehurst Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
158. The Quakertown Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
159. The Reading Area Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
160. The Region/NW Indiana for Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
161. The Roanoke Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
162. The Ron Paul 2008 International Forum
163. The Ron Paul Guardians of the Constitution
164. The Rotterdam Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
165. The Salmon Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
166. The Sandpoint Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
167. The Santa Fe Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
168. The Seaside Heights Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
169. The Seward Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
170. The Sidney Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
171. The Simi Valley Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
172. The Singapore Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
173. The Sitka/Petersburg/Wrangell (Dist. 2) Ron Paul 2008 Meetup
174. The South-Central Virginia Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
175. The Statesboro Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
176. The Stevensville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
177. The Stillwater Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
178. The Strongsville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
179. The Sweden Stockholm Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
180. The Tonawanda Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
181. The Tucson Ron Paul Meetup Group
182. The Upper Palouse Region Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
183. The Valdosta Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
184. The Waterloo/Cedar Falls Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
185. The Watertown Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
186. The Waxahachie Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
187. The Wayne County Ron Paul Meetup Group
188. The Weld County Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
189. The West Brookfield Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
190. The Wichita Falls Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
191. The Winter Park Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
192. The Yorktown Ron Paul for President 2008 Meetup VA USA
193. The Zanesville Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
194. Truth and Honesty in Government. Vote Ron Paul in 08!!
195. Twin Tiers Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
196. UMBC Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
197. Winnipeg libertarian meetup (formerly the Ron Paul meetup)
198. WNC Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group
199. Writers, Media Publications, and Delegates for Ron Paul

[RonPaulVolunteer]

PLEASE do me a favor. When you contact the meetup to tell them about this guy, PLEASE tell them to contact me about the Freedom Tour. Why? Because we've realized that Meetup has blocked most of our emails to the meetup organizers. Really appreciate the help.

Tell them to email meetups@freedomtour08.com

THANKS!!!

[Adam Smith]

Surely we could report this person to MeetUp. There's got to be some rules broken here.

[hillertexas]

Surely we could report this person to MeetUp. There's got to be some rules broken here.

http://www.meetup.com/terms/
I checked the TOS and this is all I could find:


4.2 Grounds for Removal, Sanction and/or Suspension. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Agreement, the following types of actions are cause for immediate repeal and/or suspension of your account:
(a) The use of our Platform to (including, without limitation, eligibility requirements):
(i) harm or intimidate another person in any way, including restricting or inhibiting any other user from using our Platform;
(ii) impersonate any person (including Meetup staff and other members), or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with any person, through the use of similar email addresses, nicknames, or creation of false account(s) or any other method or device;
(iii) disguise the origin of any Public Information that is transmitted to any third party;
(iv) "stalk" or otherwise harass another;
(v) advertise merchandise, auctions, services or commercial websites, including offers to trade or charitable solicitations unrelated to the topic or spirit of the Meetup Group.; or
(vi) collect or store personal data about other users;

There doesn't seem to be any rules about a limit on how many groups you can be a member of. Now if he is collecting personal data and sharing with a third party...that's another story. But probably very hard to prove.

[pinkmandy]

Please also let the meetups know about the Tour. It seems Meetup has stopped our emails to them. :(


Seriously? Um, wow. That's pretty rude considering that RP folks use meet up so much. :mad:

[steve005]

its not like booting him will make you safe from spys, all they'll do is make up a new name for each city

[pepperpete1]

its not like booting him will make you safe from spys, all they'll do is make up a new name for each city

may not even be his real name.

More information on the person I posted above gives a biography, endorsements, etc. http://www.timshaw2008.com/Donate.html

He is running again for city councilman.

Meet-up groups should have been monitoring their memberships all along.

If someone signs up with a long distance address, I feel they would be suspect.:(

[runningdiz]

may not even be his real name.

More information on the person I posted above gives a biography, endorsements, etc. http://www.timshaw2008.com/Donate.html

He is running again for city councilman.

Meet-up groups should have been monitoring their memberships all along.

If someone signs up with a long distance address, I feel they would be suspect.:(

I signed up for the one near my college and the one in my home town. NJ/NC so not always true...

[Conza88]

http://www.timshaw2008.com/Images/BenSteinS.jpg

http://www.timshaw2008.com/Images/MitRomneyS.jpg

http://www.timshaw2008.com/Images/JohnMcainS.jpg

:eek:

[pepperpete1]

I signed up for the one near my college and the one in my home town. NJ/NC so not always true...

I should have said, a long distance address and no other pertinent information.

I'll bet you didn't sign up with 190+ other groups. lol

[Conza88]

www(dot)ronpaul forums(dot)com/ showthread.php? t=137007

Tim Shaw - EXPOSED! Kick him from your meetup groups, he's a security threat!

Sending that around a bit. I posted it on his meetup page. Lmao.

[runningdiz]

I should have said, a long distance address and no other pertinent information.

I'll bet you didn't sign up with 190+ other groups. lol

LOL no of course not i agree that is odd. Those who do should be questioned!

[Conza88]

LOL no of course not i agree that is odd. Those who do should be questioned!

Well, I just literally send out a shoutout to every single meetup organizer that
Tim (http://ronpaul.meetup.com/898/members/7118806/) is a member of. - Someone maybe do the same for the Tim Shaw acct?

Its worth questioning. If he's never been to the meetup, which he hasn't. (Unless he can teleport) He's of no value. And should be discarded regardless. If he was there to pass on information to meetups etc. Plausible and fine.. but he's done and will never do, such a thing.

Notifying the meetup org leaders, at least brings it to their attention - and they can decide for themselves. :)

[Thane Eichenauer]

Hello Folks,
I say that we should be thankful that someone is taking an interest in the Ron Paul Revolution. If Tim Shaw is in the pay of Mitt Romney (or John McCain), how better to get a straight shot of Austrian economics into the Romney (or McCain) organization?
I know Ben Stein could use a refresher course in Austrian economics.
I plan to get a hold of Mr. Shaw and welcome him to the party.
Thane Eichenauer
http://digg.com/users/teichenauer/
http://notyourfathersdemocrat.tk/
http://www.freejohn.tk/

P.S. Calling other people disparaging names is a sure way to drive people away. Smart businesses don't do it and smart political movements don't either.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Maybe he's a recent convert?
I think a spy would be smarter than using his real name.
We should give him the benefit of the doubt for a limited time.

Maybe think twice before sending any more hate mail.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Hello Folks,
I say that we should be thankful that someone is taking an interest in the Ron Paul Revolution. If Tim Shaw is in the pay of Mitt Romney (or John McCain), how better to get a straight shot of Austrian economics into the Romney (or McCain) organization?
I know Ben Stein could use a refresher course in Austrian economics.
I plan to get a hold of Mr. Shaw and welcome him to the party.
Thane Eichenauer
http://digg.com/users/teichenauer/
http://notyourfathersdemocrat.tk/
http://www.freejohn.tk/

P.S. Calling other people disparaging names is a sure way to drive people away. Smart businesses don't do it and smart political movements don't either.

I think calling a duck a duck is pretty reasonable. If he doesn't want to be called a neocon shill and a liar perhaps he shouldn't engage in activities that invite people to do so. As for your plan to "bring him into the movement", good luck. This guy spent a lot of time infiltrating our groups. What is the count now, over 200 meetups he's joined?

With 2 posts, defending a guy who is apparently trying to collect information about our plans doesn't really help your credibility either.

[Nate SY]

(ii) impersonate any person (including Meetup staff and other members), or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with any person, through the use of similar email addresses, nicknames, or creation of false account(s) or any other method or device;

Sounds to me like he's misrepresenting his affiliation with Ron Paul and ALL of us.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Maybe he's a recent convert?
I think a spy would be smarter than using his real name.
We should give him the benefit of the doubt for a limited time.

Maybe think twice before sending any more hate mail.

I'm not aware of people sending him hate mail, we're removing him from the meetups he's joined.

What kind of convert joins every meetup in the country and still does nothing actively for Ron Paul.

[garrettwombat]

who knows what he is, but he isnt one of us... no reason for him to be in my meetup...

booted

[Conza88]

Maybe he's a recent convert?
I think a spy would be smarter than using his real name.
We should give him the benefit of the doubt for a limited time.
Maybe think twice before sending any more hate mail.


http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/images/strawman.jpg
Hate mail = bullshit straw-man argument proposed by a 2 post newbie to the forums.


Not a single person has sent ANYTHING, nor done anything of the sort. And I doubt will. OH, hang on - how could you possibly know that has happened? Wouldn't the only way to know, is if YOU ARE THE PERSON WHOSE RECEIVED IT? (Thane Eichenauer - please explain how it could be otherwise.. someone? Logic & reason dictates this, does it not?) There has been nothing but positive comments on both his accounts profiles. Thanking him for joining their meetup.

I've personally got a lot of thank you's, just in the last few hours from meetup organizers, who have now removed him. Thanking me for the heads up.


I think calling a duck a duck is pretty reasonable. If he doesn't want to be called a neocon shill and a liar perhaps he shouldn't engage in activities that invite people to do so. As for your plan to "bring him into the movement", good luck. This guy spent a lot of time infiltrating our groups. What is the count now, over 200 meetups he's joined?

With 2 posts, defending a guy who is apparently trying to collect information about our plans doesn't really help your credibility either.

Totally QFT.

[libertarian4321]

Okay, folks, before you start scanning the skies for black helicopters, you will note that a bunch of people have been signing up for huge numbers of Ron Paul meetups, for many months now.

I suspect most of them did it just to "pump up" the meetup group numbers.

[Conza88]

Okay, folks, before you start scanning the skies for black helicopters, you will note that a bunch of people have been signing up for huge numbers of Ron Paul meetups, for many months now.

I suspect most of them did it just to "pump up" the meetup group numbers.

Yep, fair enough. Which is why each individual and their actions needs to be considered. BUt this guy hasn't been to even ONE meetup. If he wanted to help, he would have.

A guy whose donated to Romney, and that has gotten well wishes from John McCain and seems v. active for the GOP - ain't no Ron Paul supporter by a long stretch of the imagintation. And if he's converted. Let him state so. Better yet, let his actions speak. If anything, all he will have to do is rejoin the meetup..... :rolleyes:

[BrianH]

There is a Tim Shaw on the voter list in Fairfield Iowa, and his Meetup Profile says he's from Fairfield, so I don't think this is the same guy as the one running for office in CA. We got 79% of the caucus vote for Ron Paul in our precinct - maybe the largest in the county? Also we were the only county to win in Iowa for Ron Paul and got the highest turnout for our local GOP that they have ever seen. So people here tend to think big, and I would not assume anything nefarious about Tim Shaw until you have evidence. If he wanted to hide his memberships in Meetup it is easy to do under the account profile.

[Adam Smith]

There's also a Tim Shaw who's a comedian and his tour called the First Amendment something or other.

Look, MeetUp only shows a few groups to which a person belongs, but it looks like "Tim Shaw" signed up for EVERYTHING. That's not the act of an overzealous fan. That's the act of someone compiling information. It takes a few minutes to register for a group, and we have like 2000 groups, no? So that's over a 130 hours worth of registration time alone! Nobody did this by hand. They wrote an app or something and added themselves to all Ron Paul MeetUp groups.

Maybe the person who did it is a loser/freak, but the simplest answer is that someone did it to either cause trouble or get dirt.

To whom at MeetUp can we report this suspicious behavior?

[LittleLightShining]

He signed up for the Vermont Ron Paul meetup group on May 1, too. I sent a message to the organizer. Maybe he's legit, maybe not but it is kinda creepy.

[Fyretrohl]

All of the Meetup leaders should send something like:

"Your credentials have been challenged because you appear to support an unconstitutional Government. You are not Republican enough for us.'

[Conza88]

A Tim Shaw...
Fact: someone named Tim Shaw, has donated to Romney's campaign.
Fact: a Tim Shaw whose in pictures with Romney smiling.
Fact: a Tim Shaw who is shaking the hand of John McCain, signed with Best Wishes.
Fact: a Tim Shaw joins every meetup group he possibly can of Congressman Ron Paul.
Fact: another Tim joins every meetup group he possibly can of Congressman Ron Paul. (Different ones to the other account)

Yea, hey it may be the wrong guy and its probably just a coincidence... :rolleyes:
The worst that happens: the meetup organizers make a decision of what they know about him. Since they don't know shit about him, because he's never attended a local meetup - he gets kicked.


All of the Meetup leaders should send something like:
"Your credentials have been challenged because you appear to support an unconstitutional Government. You are not Republican enough for us.'

Lmfao!!! :D

[torchbearer]

All of the Meetup leaders should send something like:

"Your credentials have been challenged because you appear to support an unconstitutional Government. You are not Republican enough for us.'

+1776

[Fyretrohl]

Hey, if it is a good enough reason for the Missouri GOP <Your credentials are being challenged because of your support for Ron Paul>, it should be good enough for us.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

[
Not a single person has sent ANYTHING, nor done anything of the sort. And I doubt will. OH, hang on - how could you possibly know that has happened? Wouldn't the only way to know, is if YOU ARE THE PERSON WHOSE RECEIVED IT?

On the first page for the A.D.D members:




He's been kicked out of our local Meetup with the following message to him:

You should be ashamed of yourself, posing as a Ron Paul supporter when you in fact support a Neoconservative viewpoint. Misrepresenting yourself makes you a liar and Ron Paul folks don't trust liars. I hope that at some point you will come around to understanding and promoting individual liberty and personal responsibility, but until then you will not belong to my local Ron Paul meetup. I highly suggest you read Dr. Paul's book, "The Revolution: A Manifesto" so you might truly understand what real Republicans are fighting for.

[ClockwiseSpark]

The Real Tim Shaw.



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http://profiles.friendster.com/7324864

While we still have no idea whether or not he's a Ron Paul supporter, he really doesn't seem that menacing. I think we can stand down red alert.

[raystone]

bump, he signed up for ours and was promptly removed

[BillyBoggs]

He is attempting to join my group under the name "Tim".

Here is his message. ""I am working for a non-profit organization that wants to provide constitution education to Americans. We hope to help keep the Ron Paul revolution alive. I would like to give some information to your members. We do not spam or ask for donations."

My reply to him "Its not our policy to allow membership to our group unless you
can make our meetups. I will pass along any info you have. Do you have a web page?"

As I run a closed meetup just for this reason. Someone is a member of 50 or so meetups can cause a great deal of trouble. Spreading rumors, false info. No thanks, our emails will not go to the John MC Cain campaign!!

Meetups are intended to be "Local" gatherings. If you cant make our meetups, you don't need to be a member!!!

[Dave39168]

He is attempting to join my group under the name "Tim".

Here is his message. ""I am working for a non-profit organization that wants to provide constitution education to Americans. We hope to help keep the Ron Paul revolution alive. I would like to give some information to your members. We do not spam or ask for donations."

My reply to him "Its not our policy to allow membership to our group unless you
can make our meetups. I will pass along any info you have. Do you have a web page?"

As I run a closed meetup just for this reason. Someone is a member of 50 or so meetups can cause a great deal of trouble. Spreading rumors, false info. No thanks, our emails will not go to the John MC Cain campaign!!

Meetups are intended to be "Local" gatherings. If you cant make our meetups, you don't need to be a member!!!

Nice job handling that. We have no concrete proof that this guy is an outsider, although it does seem that way. So I think the best way to handle this is just as you have. Boot him from the group, tell him he needs to be able to attend in person. Be polite, not rude.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Nice job handling that. We have no concrete proof that this guy is an outsider, although it does seem that way. So I think the best way to handle this is just as you have. Boot him from the group, tell him he needs to be able to attend in person. Be polite, not rude.

It seems many are missing my posts providing info on this guy. We know who he is. Please check the first couple of pages of this thread.

[ClockwiseSpark]

It seems many are missing my posts providing info on this guy. We know who he is. Please check the first couple of pages of this thread.

That info is incorrect. Please see above.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

That info is incorrect. Please see above.

So we have a guy signing up to hundreds of Ron Paul meetups...

We have a politician, a policy advisor, a donor to Romney...
And we have a kid with the same name...

And yet suddenly it's the KID that has joined all these meetups?

Please explain this reasoning.

[ClockwiseSpark]

So we have a guy signing up to hundreds of Ron Paul meetups...

We have a politician, a policy advisor, a donor to Romney...
And we have a kid with the same name...

And yet suddenly it's the KID that has joined all these meetups?

Please explain this reasoning.

This kid is actually from there. I've contacted the meetup and informed the Organizer of this.

If you'd prefer to believe that a city council member from La Habra Ca is infiltrating all our meetups using a completely phony address in a far away state that's your choice.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

This kid is actually from there. I've contacted the meetup and informed the Organizer of this.

If you'd prefer to believe that a city council member from La Habra Ca is infiltrating all our meetups using a completely phony address in a far away state that's your choice.

Yes, actually I would, because it makes a WHOLE lot more sense.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Yes, actually I would, because it makes a WHOLE lot more sense.

So you think it makes more sense to assume that the individual is lying about their location while ignoring the fact that there are 3 Tim Shaw's actually living in that area. Instead you assume an elected official from another state is attempting to gather information on us. That doesn't make any sense at all. Especially when you consider the simplicity of this. If there is a group collecting info on us they would not be foolish enough to make it so blatantly obvious, they'd have a few people join their local groups (Which has actually happened and been confirmed).
You must first disprove that any of those 3 are not the person we're referring to.

You're jumping to some serious conclusions here that have no base whatsoever.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

So you think it makes more sense to assume that the individual is lying about their location while ignoring the fact that there are 3 Tim Shaw's actually living in that area. Instead you assume an elected official from another state is attempting to gather information on us. That doesn't make any sense at all. Especially when you consider the simplicity of this. If there is a group collecting info on us they would not be foolish enough to make it so blatantly obvious, they'd have a few people join their local groups (Which has actually happened and been confirmed).
You must first disprove that any of those 3 are not the person we're referring to.

You're jumping to some serious conclusions here that have no base whatsoever.

It's funny. You talk about them not being foolish enough to... and yet you miss the obvious, that choosing an address with several people of that name will lead people to believe it is one of them instead. It's not rocket science.

I am not convinced either way, but I certainly lean towards it being the Tim Shaw I found. MOTIVE is the FIRST thing you go looking for.

[ClockwiseSpark]

It's funny. You talk about them not being foolish enough to... and yet you miss the obvious, that choosing an address with several people of that name will lead people to believe it is one of them instead. It's not rocket science.

I am not convinced either way, but I certainly lean towards it being the Tim Shaw I found. MOTIVE is the FIRST thing you go looking for.

http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1290outcome6.jpg

[ClockwiseSpark]

Yes, actually I would, because it makes a WHOLE lot more sense.

http://h1.ripway.com/wsmonty/SocialMediaMarketing/Motivational_assumptions.jpg

[Adam Smith]

This kid is actually from there. I've contacted the meetup and informed the Organizer of this.

If you'd prefer to believe that a city council member from La Habra Ca is infiltrating all our meetups using a completely phony address in a far away state that's your choice.

Clockwise:

Are you saying that you have confirmed that your Tim Shaw is the same Tim Shaw who has essentially signed up for every available Ron Paul MeetUp?

You've confirmed this?

[ClockwiseSpark]

http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/0517.jpg

[Adam Smith]

Clockwise:

Are you saying that you have confirmed that your Tim Shaw is the same Tim Shaw who has essentially signed up for every available Ron Paul MeetUp?

You've confirmed this?

[ClockwiseSpark]

Clockwise:

Are you saying that you have confirmed that your Tim Shaw is the same Tim Shaw who has essentially signed up for every available Ron Paul MeetUp?

You've confirmed this?

No, the person in question has not logged on to the meetup since they joined on May 1st. I've sent them messages but who knows if they will respond once they've logged on. My point is this, it's much more reasonable to assume the person who did this is actually the 19 prankster from Iowa(have you seen his friends page?) as opposed to the 30 something career politician from La Habra. Hell, it might even be one of the other 2 guys with that name from the same city.

Jumping to conclusions is not helpful in these matters.

[Conza88]

Jumping to conclusions is not helpful in these matters.

LOL.. it pretty much appears you've done exactly that.

[ClockwiseSpark]

LOL.. it pretty much appears you've done exactly that.

No, as I've stated repeatedly, I have no idea who this person is but it seems unlikely that it's council member from La Habra. It seems much more likely that it's one of the 3 people named Tim Shaw who are actually from Fairfield Iowa.

Pay attention will you. :rolleyes:

[mdh]

I booted him off with a message that if he'd like to support our group he can contact me about a financial contribution.

[Conza88]

No, as I've stated repeatedly, I have no idea who this person is but it seems unlikely that it's council member from La Habra. It seems much more likely that it's one of the 3 people named Tim Shaw who are actually from Fairfield Iowa.

Pay attention will you. :rolleyes:

I was, just wanted you to spell it out for everyone..

So what exactly is the self-interest of the other potential Tim Shaws...?
Besides the most compelling and obvious explanation.. that its the dude who belongs to the McCain & Romney camp... you don't think the GOP has been snooping out Ron Paul supporters plans.... argh, LOL.

What self-interest is there for the other Tim Shaw's? In all likelyhood the 19 yr old kid you mentioned is statistically more likely to be gunning for Obama.. What potential purpose or goal is there, in joining every single Ron Paul meetup possible?

Basically all the above is moot... irrelevent in the descision making process of what to do with him.

- Is he a local member? Has he actually attended a meetup?
- Has he contributed in anyway shape or form to the meetup?
- Is there any likely-hood he will in the future?

- No, No, No. = Boot. :)

[ClockwiseSpark]

I was, just wanted you to spell it out for everyone..

So what exactly is the self-interest of the other potential Tim Shaws...?
Besides the most compelling and obvious explanation.. that its the dude who belongs to the McCain & Romney camp... you don't think the GOP has been snooping out Ron Paul supporters plans.... argh, LOL.

What self-interest is there for the other Tim Shaw's? In all likelyhood the 19 yr old kid you mentioned is statistically more likely to be gunning for Obama.. What potential purpose or goal is there, in joining every single Ron Paul meetup possible?

Basically all the above is moot... irrelevent in the descision making process of what to do with him.

- Is he a local member? Has he actually attended a meetup?
- Has he contributed in anyway shape or form to the meetup?
- Is there any likely-hood he will in the future?

- No, No, No. = Boot. :)

Yes, it's not relevant at all. I have booted him from my meetup and contacted quite a few other meetups to let them know. The only meetup that is aware of this situation and still hasn't booted him is the Fairfield group. He may actually be one of us, let him prove himself there before we start assuming he's a GOP plant.

I have a GOP plant in my meetup, and he's damned obvious, supports McCan't openly and I leave him there for the disinfo I can give him.

The big question is simply: Is he one of us?

Who knows but based on the performance of the Fairfield group I trust them to find out.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Our guys are better than the CIA, and they work on virtually no budget.

:rolleyes:

Our guys identified someone in the wrong state, who happens to have the same name and is involved with GOP politics.

And of course it couldn't have been the other Tim Shaws in the donor lists - like the Democratic Pastor or The manager of a recycling center - who also live in the wrong state.

He tried joining 2 of my groups and left the following profile:

"I am working for a non-profit organization that wants to provide constitution education to Americans. We hope to help keep the Ron Paul revolution alive. I would like to give some information to your members. We do not spam or ask for donations."

his location is listed as: Fairfield, IA

Maybe it's this one:

Timothy S & Marilyn S Shaw

home

507 Fairview Ave

Muscatine, IA 52761-4933
(563) 263-0143

http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname=Tim&name=Shaw&city_zip=Muscatine&state_id=IA

And this page lists 25 entries, mostly for 2 Tim Shaw's that live in IA, and it looks like they move a lot - and one is 28/29 and the other 40 - but there are:
Tim Shaw
Tim J Shaw
Tim M Shaw
Timothy Shaw
Timothy J Shaw
Timothy L Shaw
Timothy M Shaw
Timothy P Shaw
and
Timothy Perry Shaw
(Probably 4 Tim Shaws here, and I bet at least some are related...)

and that's only the ones in the Internet White pages! - If someone has access to commercial databases, and cal look up unlisted numbers, you would probably find about 50 Tim Shaws in Iowa.

Better than the CIA my ass! - that's the kind of sloppy "Intelligence" that got us into the Iraq war.

But yeah - there is still the point that he is joining all these Ron Paul groups and what the hell is he up to as well as who is he?

-n

[tangent4ronpaul]

He is attempting to join my group under the name "Tim".

Here is his message. ""I am working for a non-profit organization that wants to provide constitution education to Americans. We hope to help keep the Ron Paul revolution alive. I would like to give some information to your members. We do not spam or ask for donations."

My reply to him "Its not our policy to allow membership to our group unless you
can make our meetups. I will pass along any info you have. Do you have a web page?"

As I run a closed meetup just for this reason. Someone is a member of 50 or so meetups can cause a great deal of trouble. Spreading rumors, false info. No thanks, our emails will not go to the John MC Cain campaign!!

Meetups are intended to be "Local" gatherings. If you cant make our meetups, you don't need to be a member!!!

Looks like others caught the "Tossing darts for a guilty looking Tim Shaw" before I did, as I didn't read all 9 pages of this thread before posting.

One thing is obvious, and that is that he's joining under a number of Meetup Account names. I'm guessing that Meetup cuts you off on eithor the total number of Meetups you can join with one account or the total number per month. So it's probably a Meetup Limitation and not an attempt at deceit.

Meetups with open admission can expect spam as soon as he finishes his group joining spasms...

-n

[tangent4ronpaul]

There's also a Tim Shaw who's a comedian and his tour called the First Amendment something or other.

Look, MeetUp only shows a few groups to which a person belongs, but it looks like "Tim Shaw" signed up for EVERYTHING. That's not the act of an overzealous fan. That's the act of someone compiling information. It takes a few minutes to register for a group, and we have like 2000 groups, no? So that's over a 130 hours worth of registration time alone! Nobody did this by hand. They wrote an app or something and added themselves to all Ron Paul MeetUp groups.

Maybe the person who did it is a loser/freak, but the simplest answer is that someone did it to either cause trouble or get dirt.

To whom at MeetUp can we report this suspicious behavior?

We have between 1,450 and 1,500, depending on which count you believe. We are loosing 80 a month.

People have done mass joining projects, one out of this forum - they got help but did most of it themselves. It took them over a week and that was when we had half the Meetups. It was to promote a RP project.

He's stated he wants to post some message. and he's mostly getting into the open join groups, and getting booted from the private ones. If he was just here to monitor he'd do something like: Google: KEYWORD site:ronpaul.meetup.com/####/messages/ and some additional syntax for date ranges.

but he probably doesn't know that, and it doesn't work for private groups, which he's mostly not getting into anyway.

OTOH: google does put some limitations on how many queries you can do a day and I don't think they collect all of our traffic, but searching a site should trigger the spider to scan it more throughly.

There are also freeware spiders out there that will do this, as any open group is open read for our mail spools.

As I recall, Meetup also offers some RSS features, so he may be trying to get traffic mailed to him for data mining, but really - he's probably wanting to spam his message to us - whatever that is.

As he claims to be from a "conservative group" has anyone tried contacting JBS or tax protest groups in IA to inquire about him?

What ever he's up to, he's not being very smart about how he's going about it.

If you are an organizer, you can post about it on Meetups organizer forum.

-n

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

OK, after finally reading this whole thread, here are the logical conclusions
that I've come to...

At first I thought his welcome message was suspicious but on second
thought, why would an infiltrate say that he wants to promote a non-profit
and won't spam and ask for money? If it was an infiltrate, then he more than
likely would stay far, far away from mentioning anything about 'not sending
spam' and 'not asking for money'.

The more I think about it, the more I see that this 'Tim Shaw' is probably
just signing up for all the meetups so that he can send emails to promote
whatever non-profit business it is. It may very well be a 'for profit'.

Either way, see if we can find out the non-profit.

...How about just sending him an email asking him why he signed up
to all of the meetups? To simple maybe? (or send it when deleting him)

Hunter

p.s. Tim Shaw is a very common name. So maybe none of these 3 Tims are the right one!

p.p.s. What was the very first meetup that he signed up for? That may shed some light
on where he's from.

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

...but really - he's probably wanting to spam his message to us - whatever that is.


that's what I was just saying

[tangent4ronpaul]

WHOA! - I just got the real scoop on this "Tim Shaw" - yep, went to Google Images and out of the 65,000 images found I scanned the first few pages and discovered:
He's 16, and 40 and around 55
He's an artist - does stained glass and sculpture (some of it obscene)
He lives in England
He's a caucasion, but sometimes he's black.
He's bald, has a crew cut, long hair, and black, brown and red hair
He plays professional football
he's a musician
He's a CEO
etc.

Damb, this guy gets around!

:D

-n

[hillertexas]

As he claims to be from a "conservative group" has anyone tried contacting JBS or tax protest groups in IA to inquire about him?

I wonder if his "conservative group" has a Meetup/website/name of it's own.

"I am working for a non-profit organization that wants to provide constitution education to Americans. We hope to help keep the Ron Paul revolution alive. I would like to give some information to your members. We do not spam or ask for donations."

If it is a non-profit tax-exempt group, we should be able to find it.

[Conza88]

I am working for a non-profit organization, Restoring the Heart of America, whose mission is to provide Constitution Education to Americans. We will be providing online and live seminars to teach this education to mass numbers of people, in hopes to keep the Ron Paul Revolution alive so that Dr. Paul (or similarly-minded candidate) will have more success in 2012 and so that in 2010 we can elect congressmen and senators that support the vision and fundamentals of the Constitution.

I would like to join your Meetup group so that I am able to send an e-mail informing the members about our organization's services.

We will NOT be asking for donations of ANY kind and will NOT be spamming your group. We are Ron Paul supporters and are trying to continue the momentum he has created.
Sincerely,
Timothy Shaw

LoL. An email sent to an Atlanta meetup organizer, who queried. Think I stipulated this early on. Question though is whats the non-profit organization?.... and wouldn't he have actually mentioned the organization..? I mean, paranoia has a slippery slope, hahah. But these are all valid questions. And if we follow the valid and legitimate answers - we can get to the bottom of this and the truth. :) So this process has been rather needed regardless.


I wonder if his "conservative group" has a Meetup/website/name of it's own.
If it is a non-profit tax-exempt group, we should be able to find it.

QFT. :)

[LittleLightShining]

http://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Heart-America-Return-Government/dp/1886656096

This is the only relevant info I could find for "Restoring the Heart of America." There's no obvious connection between this book and Tim Shaw. I'm no super-sleuth, though.

[hillertexas]

Searched here:
http://www.guidestar.org/


GuideStar Basic
This simple search is for users who want to verify a nonprofit's legitimacy, learn whether a contribution will be tax deductible, view a nonprofit's recent Forms 990, or find out more about its mission, programs, and finances. Thanks to the generosity of a number of foundations, GuideStar Basic is available at no charge to users. Just log in and start searching, or view the demo.

I found nothing about "Restoring the Heart of America". I don't have a premium account so I could only search by name, keyword, city, or state....but I found nothing.

Note: If a non-profit makes less than $25,000 I don't think they have to file a tax return...but they should still be registered somewhere as a non-profit, right?

[BrianH]

http://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Heart-America-Return-Government/dp/1886656096

This is the only relevant info I could find for "Restoring the Heart of America." There's no obvious connection between this book and Tim Shaw. I'm no super-sleuth, though.

Pretty good detective work! The endorsements on the cover of this book (published in 2002) include this one from Ron Paul "A well articulated and very positive description of what will happen when we return to the fundamental and eternally valid principles upon which this country was founded".

It's written by Fairfield's Clyde Cleveland and Ed Noyes who are among our strongest Ron Paul supporters and helped us win the only county in Iowa for Ron Paul this year. In my precinct we won with a staggering 79%.

I'm the organizer for the Fairfield Ron Paul Meetup and I don't know Tim Shaw but know Clyde and Ed well and I can assure you their project relating to their book ReStoring the Heart of America has the very best of intentions for all in the Ron Paul Revolution. I don't know much about it and I suggest you ask Tim through your meetup groups what it's all about.

Brian Horsfield,
Fairfield Iowa Ron Paul Meetup

[Carehn]

what the hell he was in the Bellevue Id one also!! who the hell is this guy??

[rhawk301]

Tim just made a mass-exodus from Meetup.com totally.

[Please do not post personal info here- thanks- rph]

rph, its not personal, it was on his home page for his public campaign which is probably cached at Google now.

http://www.timshaw2008.com/

[ronpaulhawaii]

Tim just made a mass-exodus from Meetup.com totally.

[Please do not post personal info here- thanks- rph]

Yes, he joined my dormant MU a day or two ago, and left today

:confused:

[ClockwiseSpark]

Tim just made a mass-exodus from Meetup.com totally.

From his website:

http://www.timshaw2008.com/


There is no evidence that the Tim Shaw you're referring to is the Tim Shaw from all our meetups. I have removed him from mine and anyone who is concerned should feel free to do the same. However, the meetup organizer from Fairfield is aware of this (see above) and there is a possibility, however small, that this guy is an overzealous RP supporter.

That being said, I would suggest that we leave the guy from La Habra alone until we can prove, without a doubt, that he is the one behind this.

[hillertexas]

Tim just made a mass-exodus from Meetup.com totally.


very interesting...i guess the intentions of tim shaw (whichever one he was) were not noble.

[ClockwiseSpark]

very interesting...i guess the intentions of tim shaw (whichever one he was) were not noble.

Kinda funny if that's the case. He made it less than 2 weeks before he was found out.
I suppose we should be a bit more aware of new members in the weeks to come, he may try this again.

[newyearsrevolution08]

crazy stuff. Well it is a presidential election and all what can you expect.

[Conza88]

Tim just made a mass-exodus from Meetup.com totally.

[Please do not post personal info here- thanks- rph]

Guilty? lol. Seriously, if he was legit, wouldn't he be spruiking the site on his profile?

[rhawk301]

ClockwiseSpark and others, I sent him an e-mail asking about why he signed up and then left Meetup. I was trying to be sincere, because I wanted to know if he wanted information about Ron Paul or if he left for other reasons.

He simply said he wanted Ron to win his house seat, but was more focussed on his local campaign now. I would assume here he has good motives, and just simply didn't want to be a part of meetup.com for his own reasons, perhaps under that same login name. If he is going to be running for a local seat, perhaps he didn't want his meetup.com persona splattered all over the place.

He was an intern for Dana Rohrabacher who I believe is a true patriot. If 10% of Dana rubbed off on this young Republican, then perhaps we have a true patriot in the wings.

Give Tim the benefit of the doubt and if you are near La Habra go and make your acquaintance and support his campaign.

[hillertexas]

ClockwiseSpark and others, I sent him an e-mail asking about why he signed up and then left Meetup. I was trying to be sincere, because I wanted to know if he wanted information about Ron Paul or if he left for other reasons.

He simply said he wanted Ron to win his house seat, but was more focussed on his local campaign now. I would assume here he has good motives, and just simply didn't want to be a part of meetup.com for his own reasons, perhaps under that same login name. If he is going to be running for a local seat, perhaps he didn't want his meetup.com persona splattered all over the place.

He was an intern for Dana Rohrabacher who I believe is a true patriot. If 10% of Dana rubbed off on this young Republican, then perhaps we have a true patriot in the wings.

Give Tim the benefit of the doubt and if you are near La Habra go and make your acquaintance and support his campaign.

So you have confirmed that the Tim Shaw on Meetup is the Tim Shaw in California?

[rhawk301]

So you have confirmed that the Tim Shaw on Meetup is the Tim Shaw in California?

I did not get a denial he was the person. I will most likely not get a confirmation for what would that gain him? I think the matter is closed. The "Tim Shaw" we were concerned about on Meetup.com is no longer a meetup member.

The "Tim Shaw" in La Habra, if the same person or not, is running a local campaign for city council and is a nice upstanding young republican. I think its a win-win situation.

[speciallyblend]

yep he exited my meetup as well??? , only news he got is the gop is screwed;)

[frdmrdr]

I say that we should be thankful that someone is taking an interest in the Ron Paul Revolution.

Sure, let him join a couple of meetups in his area. But 190+ meetups??? He's up to no good.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Sure, let him join a couple of meetups in his area. But 190+ meetups??? He's up to no good.

190? - try over 1,000 under different accounts!

-n