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ratsbew
05-15-2007, 06:27 PM
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Bryan
05-15-2007, 07:01 PM
I’ve been watching the pre-debate coverage online. They asked some college students they have in the studio what the most important issue of the election is, one of the republican economic majors said it was Federal Reserve appointees. Wonder how he’d think of Ron Paul wanting to shut the Fed down?



So here’s how the debate voting is going to happen…

Watch the debate at 9 pm eastern - ON FOX NEWS or online at:
http://www.foxnews.com/ (click the yellow/goldenrod strip at top)

LET THEM KNOW WHO WON

Who won Tuesday night's Republican presidential debate?

You Decide: Let FOX News know who you think came out on top by voting with a text message.

The number to which you can send your text-message is 36988. It will accept your vote between 9 p.m. EDT and 12:30 a.m. EDT.

The codes to enter for each candidate are:

R1 — Sam Brownback

R2 — Jim Gilmore

R3 — Rudy Giuliani

R4 — Mike Huckabee

R5 — Duncan Hunter

R6 — John McCain

R7 — Ron Paul

R8 — Mitt Romney

R9 — Tom Tancredo

R10 — Tommy Thompson

The codes are case-insensitive, so "r5" will work as well as "R5."

Here's how to send your text message:

1. On your cell phone, select the text-messaging (SMS) option.

2. Create a new text message.

3. Address the message to 36988.

4. In the body of the message, simply type the code for the candidate you feel won the debate — "R1" through "R10."

5. Send the message.

(Note: On some phones, steps 3 and 4 may be reversed. Some older phones may not be capable of sending text messages.)

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:04 PM
yep, here we go.

ronpaulitician
05-15-2007, 07:04 PM
(They put Dr. Paul in between McCain and Giuliani.)

Or so I thought. Actually, they put Dr. Paul on the very right side.

hlcno
05-15-2007, 07:14 PM
how's it going, im at work

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:16 PM
So far so good, Wallace asked him if he was running with the wrong party. He handled it pretty well.

Hancock1776
05-15-2007, 07:18 PM
Awesome. He worked in Reagan, directly relating to the insanity of MidEast politics and the stupidity of getting involved in them.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:19 PM
yeah it was good

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:19 PM
sweet the economy now, this is his bread and butter.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:22 PM
well there goes Mccain's canidacy

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 07:26 PM
I missed that, what did he say about McCain? I heard the applause and laughter in response.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:29 PM
hahahahahaha he's fucking schooling em now

Teflon Master
05-15-2007, 07:30 PM
Slapped

Hancock1776
05-15-2007, 07:32 PM
It should seem so basic, yet it eludes all of them but Paul. MORE BUREAUCRACY does not solve a single problem! Why is this not the main-line Republican position? We made it over 220 years without the DHS, we can go on from here without it!

His answers to that little series of questions will put him way on top on security.

hlcno
05-15-2007, 07:34 PM
haha that last dude was totally ripping on Ron Paul..

Brandybuck
05-15-2007, 07:35 PM
Funny how all the other candidates suddenly became fiscal conservatives since the last debate. Ron Paul is making an impact!

Hancock1776
05-15-2007, 07:35 PM
On a personal note, I think the most involvement the federal government needs to have in anti-terrorism is an information network to facilitate, coordinate, and empower local citizen militias. Who is going to more passionately defend you and your neighbors? YOU or some FEMA goon?

enter`name`here
05-15-2007, 07:36 PM
Ahaha, all of a sudden the constitution means something to the other republicans. I wonder why?

hlcno
05-15-2007, 07:41 PM
yah they are all hack.. Ron Paul 4 life! :)

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 07:41 PM
Giuliani is such a weasal! He refuses to answer on gun control, abortion, supporting Cuomo.

I think Dr Paul has done just fine so far. I've been a little distracted trying to get 3 sisters and their kids and my ex-husband to text their votes without telling them exacting how they were voting.

McCain -- oh please. Immigration reform? He's PRO-immigration. He's the pro-immigration lobbyists hero.

Teflon Master
05-15-2007, 07:42 PM
McCain: Yeah I sold out

Teflon Master
05-15-2007, 07:43 PM
Huckabee: Me too

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:43 PM
lol, totally

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:44 PM
Yeah well what you feel and what you do don't exactly corresponed do they Mitt?

hlcno
05-15-2007, 07:45 PM
Yah McCain is the one that proposed that bill a few years back with Sen *HICUP* Kennedy for an amnesty program

amazing how he doesn't talk about it now.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 07:47 PM
Has our man been getting his responses? I'm tinkering on the net and trying to figure out how to get more votes, so maybe I've been distracted. I don't think I heard him on immigration.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:48 PM
I didn't either.

Hancock1776
05-15-2007, 07:49 PM
Okay, Rudy's disqualified. He thinks this is a "democracy."

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 07:50 PM
Damn! I submitted an immigration question because he's good on the issue.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:53 PM
what.... the fuck

billv
05-15-2007, 07:54 PM
Well they just skipped Ron for the third round, wonderful.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 07:54 PM
Is it just me or is Ron Paul not getting any questions?

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 07:54 PM
They just skipped RP AGAIN! On the abortion question. Didn't they?

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:54 PM
no they fucking skipped him

enter`name`here
05-15-2007, 07:54 PM
wtf they skipped him twice.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 07:55 PM
Jinx, poke, y'all owe me a coke.

Brandybuck
05-15-2007, 07:55 PM
The only OB/GYN in the debate, and they don't ask him about abortion. Disgusting.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 07:56 PM
AHHHHH!!!!!

I need a beer.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 07:56 PM
this is bullshit.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 07:56 PM
He should take the time for all 3 rounds on the next question. IF they get to him.

Brandybuck
05-15-2007, 07:57 PM
I intend... I intend... I intend... I intend not to vote for McCain.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 07:57 PM
Are you kidding me?

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 07:58 PM
Romney's been speaking half the whole frickin' time! Send me one of those beers.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 07:59 PM
I guess this is the McCain-Gulianni-Romney Debate...must be on the wrong channel.

Teflon Master
05-15-2007, 08:00 PM
This is so fucking disgusting. God.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:00 PM
This is so bogus. Ron Paul paid the same damn $25,000 for this. There's going to be blood in the streets. Faux-News butt-kicking strategy session immediately following debate.

hlcno
05-15-2007, 08:01 PM
ugg this "tamper proof" national id card shit makes me fucking ill..

billv
05-15-2007, 08:01 PM
If every one paid equal fees to enter the debate they should get more or less equal time.

Brandybuck
05-15-2007, 08:02 PM
Is it just me, or does Romney look like he's on a late night infomercial?

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:02 PM
They already asked him this question. I hope he gets immigration in.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 08:04 PM
Booooooooom!!!!

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:04 PM
Ooooh, He just lost some points with the whole they attacked us while referring to the middle east.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:05 PM
Oh SHUT UP Giuliani!

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:05 PM
Hey, at least he is getting face time while ACTUALLY debating.

hlcno
05-15-2007, 08:05 PM
Oh boy here we go.. lets spin it..

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:07 PM
GOOD question! (Confed Flag)

billv
05-15-2007, 08:07 PM
That's it, the country is done for. The applause after Giuliani's response was absolutely pig headed. It seems Republicans are totally unable to admit this country is capable of doing wrong and as such we'll continue to create enemies for ourselves.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 08:08 PM
Boooya!

Awesome. Even if the majority disagree with Paul on that, any publicity at this point is good publicity.

I just wish Ron Paul would have been more agressive and sounded stronger in his response.

hlcno
05-15-2007, 08:08 PM
That's it, the country is done for. The applause after Giuliani's response was absolutely pig headed. It seems Republicans are totally unable to admit this country is capable of doing wrong and as such we'll continue to create enemies for ourselves.

Of course not! We are the US of A!

amonasro
05-15-2007, 08:09 PM
well, now they're going to label Paul as a loon... but you know Giuliani wants some of that, and he got trounced. Got the applause, but trounced.

as terrible as it sounds right off the bat, what Paul says... makes sense.

Gee
05-15-2007, 08:09 PM
That's it, the country is done for. The applause after Giuliani's response was absolutely pig headed. It seems Republicans are totally unable to admit this country is capable of doing wrong and as such we'll continue to create enemies for ourselves.
:( If only the book Imperial Hubris was more widely read.

Oh well, New Zealand looks nice...

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:09 PM
Debate audience aside, there are a lot of people out HERE that saw that and agreed. RP looked like he knew what he was talking about.

Korey Kaczynski
05-15-2007, 08:09 PM
What a prick. And the crowd cheered on!

aravoth
05-15-2007, 08:10 PM
He was right. He never said we deserved that, he just laid out plainley why it happened

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:11 PM
A debate almost broke out and Britt shut them down fast.

Giuliani is playing to the none thinking, so-called patriots. To bad most don't know what a patriot is.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:12 PM
Tancredo shouldn't be in this race. I didn't used to think he was so bad, but I've grown to dislike him.

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:13 PM
From my POV this hasn't been going very well, face time is good, but when everybody else is trying to shoot you down it is pretty hard to defend yourself especially when the moderators shut you off.
Ron Paul needs to emphasize that he SUPPORTS a strong national defense, just not an offensive force.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 08:14 PM
From my POV this hasn't been going very well, face time is good, but when everybody else is trying to shoot you down it is pretty hard to defend yourself especially when the moderators shut you off.
Ron Paul needs to emphasize that he SUPPORTS a strong national defense, just not an offensive force.

I agree that he could of come off a lot better, but before no one knew who he was, now at least people are going to know his name.

I still think there is not such thing as bad publicity.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 08:15 PM
I think he should have attacked back a little stronger and more forcefully.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:15 PM
This question seems biased against RP.

billv
05-15-2007, 08:15 PM
Absolutely, it makes sense. Arrogance will lead to our demise. Should we expect any less when we interfere in the affairs of other nations? I say a strong defense here at home, keep the war option on the table for nations that do attack us, and quit meddling in the affairs of other nations.

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:17 PM
So Rudy is for torture?

aravoth
05-15-2007, 08:17 PM
What sadistic shitbag they got in that audience?

Brandybuck
05-15-2007, 08:17 PM
It's torture listening to him

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:17 PM
Giuliani thinks he's Jack Bauer. Big difference: Jack Bauer's kinda good looking. BIG difference.

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:17 PM
Everyone at once . . . . Cheer for Torture.

What country did I wake up in.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 08:18 PM
Wow, the crowd thinks that the terrorists attacked us because they "hate freedom", and they also support torture.

Wonderful.

Bryan
05-15-2007, 08:18 PM
The American people just applauded torture.

Hancock1776
05-15-2007, 08:18 PM
My God, it's a room full of fascists.

llamabread
05-15-2007, 08:19 PM
Romney just said that the real problem about terrorism is prevention. Wait, hasn't Ron Paul been saying that for.... ever?

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:20 PM
Poor Tommy Thompson. I can't forget the potty comment on Digg.

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:20 PM
Absolutely, it makes sense. Arrogance will lead to our demise. Should we expect any less when we interfere in the affairs of other nations? I say a strong defense here at home, keep the war option on the table for nations that do attack us, and quit meddling in the affairs of other nations.
First off let me say that I personally support the war in Iraq, I support having a military as strong if not stronger than what we have now. The military budget would not need to change a whole lot but all of the money would be used on modernization of equipment (F-22s, F-35s, ships, army gear, ect.) But DoD stands for Department of DEFENSE.

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 08:20 PM
Man, I just think Ron missed an opportunity there to take the center stage and whoop some New York Mayor ass. He should have went on the offensive...

Dang dang dang, need another beer.

Hancock1776
05-15-2007, 08:22 PM
It is very important we email media outlets RIGHT AWAY asking to hear more about what Ron Paul said about BLOWBACK. It is important we preempt the spin that will obviously come out of this.

DO IT TONIGHT. Show them there is a demographic ready to hear about the dark side of interventionist policy.

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:22 PM
Statesmen . . .

Other then Paul I guess I will have to go to a cemetery to see one.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:22 PM
Are they going to make ANY effort to even out the time?

Brandybuck
05-15-2007, 08:24 PM
I want to hear RP talk about Letters of Marque and Reprisal!

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:25 PM
It is very important we email media outlets RIGHT AWAY asking to hear more about what Ron Paul said about BLOWBACK. It is important we preempt the spin that will obviously come out of this.

DO IT TONIGHT. Show them there is a demographic ready to hear about the dark side of interventionist policy.

"Blowback" is a phrase Ron got from author Chalmers Johnson. It is the title of his book written before 9-11. "The Sorrows of Empire" and "Nemesis The Last Days of the American Republic" are the other two of his trilogy. Damn good books.

ronpaulitician
05-15-2007, 08:26 PM
I was one of those rare libertarians that supported the war. I've since come to regret that, and have come to admire Dr. Paul's stance on the war. I think he did just fine on his answer. Yes, in Bin Laden's letter to the US his number 1 demand is that we convert to Islam, but I have come to agree with Dr. Paul: the reason we were attacked is decades of interference in the Middle East, which has fostered so much resentment that people are willing to die to take their revenge. Did we invite it? Did we deserve it? I'm still not sure what my answer to those two questions will be decades from now.

Yes, to those Americans that are unwilling to even ask try to answer those questions in their heart, Ron Paul's comments will be received badly. But, those that either have asked themselves the question and come to the conclusion that perhaps, in a way, we did somewhat deserve it, and those that have asked the questions and have not yet found the right answer, may welcome Ron's comments, as a start to an honest national discussion to where we go from here, something that doesn't seem to have really happened over the course of the last 6 years.

MsDoodahs
05-15-2007, 08:26 PM
Hubby went off when RP didn't kick Rudy's ass, lol...

enter`name`here
05-15-2007, 08:27 PM
o man that was erie hearing him talk about how we would need to prepare for ww3

Hancock1776
05-15-2007, 08:27 PM
Pardon my Elizabethan English, but Jack Bauer can fucking bite me.

Brandybuck
05-15-2007, 08:28 PM
Elizabethan English? I thought that was French!

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:28 PM
Guess I was expecting a little more out of RP. He only got to answer, what, 2 questions?

MsDoodahs
05-15-2007, 08:28 PM
Ugh, this one made me remember why I'm an anarchist.

This country is so totally and absolutely .... screwed.

amonasro
05-15-2007, 08:29 PM
so what? 3 questions? that's it???

MsDoodahs
05-15-2007, 08:30 PM
Probably that's it.

Who talked about ww3? I missed that part...

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:30 PM
Oh god, someone actually supports No Child Left Behind and the D of Ed. Romney is no conservative.

llamabread
05-15-2007, 08:31 PM
I tuned in halfway through, and I didn't see or hear anybody besides Romney, Mcain, and Gulliani for fifteen minutes. Ohh well. The constitution does say freedom of press.

MsDoodahs
05-15-2007, 08:31 PM
Oh, I am LIVID.

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:31 PM
No closing comments?

billv
05-15-2007, 08:32 PM
Giuliani thinks he's Jack Bauer. Big difference: Jack Bauer's kinda good looking. BIG difference.

Bigger difference, Jack Bauer is a fictional character!

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:32 PM
We gotta be all over Fox News. Fair and balanced, my ass.

Brandybuck
05-15-2007, 08:32 PM
Next up, Calamity and Combs!

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:33 PM
If you haven't already, text message fox and vote for RP. Details on another post out there.

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:33 PM
Text your vote Hannity said. Then said "keep texting." Is there a phone boiler room somewhere?

Teflon Master
05-15-2007, 08:34 PM
Ok men, time to take the necon position temporarily and wage unrepented war on these polls. Lets tell them the mainstream opinion.

Hancock1776
05-15-2007, 08:34 PM
Elizabethan English? I thought that was French!

Just trying to get a meme moving. The French people are cultured, friendly and have fantastic food. I'd rather poke fun at the queen of England than the French people.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 08:36 PM
gonna start a new video, fuck these guys

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:36 PM
I'm looking at all the news sites. Can't find a poll anywhere.

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:37 PM
I have to admit that I'm disappointed with Ron Paul's performance in the debate, maybe I'm not as much of a hard core supporter as many of you but I honestly can't vote in any of the polls that Ron Paul "won" the debate.

aravoth
05-15-2007, 08:37 PM
it's text messaged in

Teflon Master
05-15-2007, 08:37 PM
Wow on the MSNBC poll Paul is winning by a land slide.

llamabread
05-15-2007, 08:38 PM
MSNBC's is open. Ron Paul has 80% positive, every other one has 80% negative.

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:38 PM
Fox got Giuliani on camera quick after the "debate" to attack Paul

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:38 PM
MSNBC's is open. Ron Paul has 80% positive, every other one has 80% negative.

Too bad it is "obviously" fake......
It makes Ron Paul supporters look like cheating losers.

Scribbler de Stebbing
05-15-2007, 08:39 PM
I voted for RP and got 5 family members to vote w/o knowing who or what they were voting for. Will the results be on foxnews.com?

I can't see any of the post-debate coverage. No cable. Watched on net. Let me know how that goes, but someone may want to start a new thread.

Next time we need a chat feature.

Kandilynn
05-15-2007, 08:39 PM
I'm disappointed that they only gave him two questions. They asked him the same two questions over and over again, but it's still the same questions nonetheless.

RylScam
05-15-2007, 08:41 PM
Thanks found the MSNBC poll, still looking for others

sweetmusicj
05-15-2007, 08:41 PM
Links to polls?

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:41 PM
Links to polls?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18659382

billv
05-15-2007, 08:42 PM
I agree because they knew much of the Republican base disagrees with him on this. Good way to discredit him. Unfortunately, too many people in this country are unwilling to even consider that we may cause many problems for ourselves. Congressman Paul was right. How would we react if China established bases in our country. I think there would be a number of people that would take up arms over it.

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:44 PM
I agree because they knew much of the Republican base disagrees with him on this. Good way to discredit him. Unfortunately, too many people in this country are unwilling to even consider that we may cause many problems for ourselves. Congressman Paul was right. How would we react if China established bases in our country. I think there would be a number of people that would take up arms over it.
Do keep in mind that there are foreign militaries inside the US right now.

vertesc
05-15-2007, 08:46 PM
I don't know what was more frightening... Romney saying that he would double Guantanamo, and how he liked it cause prisoners didn't have access to lawyers; or the audience cheering afterwards.

cujothekitten
05-15-2007, 08:50 PM
Ron Paul just sealed the deal with every libertarian, constitutional conservative, anti-war Christian, anti-war republican and liberal. Not only that but he totally made the rest of the candidates look like complete jackasses on national television. 70% of the population agrees with his position.

That bit was the first time I’ve ever actually seen debating happen at a debate.

llamabread
05-15-2007, 08:51 PM
I started a post debate discussion thread to kind of clear it up. Anything about reactions and stuff should go there, just to keep it semi organized.

ratsbew
05-15-2007, 08:52 PM
Ron Paul just sealed the deal with every libertarian, constitutional conservative, anti-war Christian, anti-war republican and liberal. Not only that but he totally made the rest of the candidates look like complete jackasses on national television. 70% of the population agrees with his position.

That bit was the first time I’ve ever actually seen debating happen at a debate.
Yes, buy when he isn't invited to future debates nobody will even know who he is.

amonasro
05-15-2007, 08:52 PM
he really did get a couple zingers in there, can't wait for the youtube compilation so i can watch them all again :)

he's actually making people THINK... my god.

vertesc
05-15-2007, 08:54 PM
... the 911 reaction got him noticed, but played right into Giuliani's campaign. I'm amazed every time one of these educated men talks about the enemy as some fairy tale "evil force" out to destroy us for who we are. How anyone can believe that we can have bases in another country, with a strong military presence, without pissing anyone off... I just don't get it.

billv
05-15-2007, 08:56 PM
Heck, Ron's position was the position of George Washington in his farewell address.

Quote, a long quote:

Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and Morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it? It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and, at no distant period, a great Nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt, that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages, which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be, that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a Nation with its Virtue? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices ?

32 In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential, than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular Nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The Nation, which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The Nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the Government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The Government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of Nations has been the victim.

33 So likewise, a passionate attachment of one Nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite Nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest, in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter, without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite Nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the Nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained; and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens, (who devote themselves to the favorite nation,) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

34 As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent Patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practise the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the Public Councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak, towards a great and powerful nation, dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

35 Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

36 The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connexion as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.

37 Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

cujothekitten
05-15-2007, 08:57 PM
Yes, buy when he isn't invited to future debates nobody will even know who he is.

They'll invite him because it's good T.V. People will know about him because he has vocal supporters.

Exponent
05-15-2007, 08:57 PM
They certainly seemed to ask Ron mostly questions that they knew would make him look bad (at least given that crazy audience), and even tried to misconstrue his answers to make him look worse. Meanwhile they skipped him on many questions that he could have looked good on, even with the present audience. Yeesh.

qednick
05-15-2007, 09:01 PM
The thing is the top tier see him as a threat so they had to use the opportunity to put him down - with the help of Fox News of course.

enter`name`here
05-15-2007, 09:03 PM
I wonder why he didn't get a question on immigration or abortion? ?:rolleyes:

ronpaulitician
05-15-2007, 09:06 PM
Anyone see Family Guy Sunday?

9/11...

9..... 11....

billv
05-15-2007, 09:16 PM
Unfortunately, current Neo-con efforts in the middle east will bankrupt the country and will force us to withdraw and we'll no longer be able to project force around the planet if we actually need to.

billv
05-15-2007, 09:17 PM
They certainly seemed to ask Ron mostly questions that they knew would make him look bad (at least given that crazy audience), and even tried to misconstrue his answers to make him look worse. Meanwhile they skipped him on many questions that he could have looked good on, even with the present audience. Yeesh.

I completely agree. All he got were war questions. The one issue he has that Republicans are divided on. It made him look like an anti-war loon. Fortunately, it's not true but it sure ended up looking like that.

Aratus
03-22-2008, 01:02 PM
the thread today where carl cameron is cornered somewhere in D.C
by semi-polite yet insistant 9/11 'truthers' gives this old FOX news thread
a read it didn't have at the time. the earlier pages here have a fresh optimism!

Soccrmastr
03-22-2008, 01:13 PM
the thread today where carl cameron is cornered somewhere in D.C
by semi-polite yet insistant 9/11 'truthers' gives this old FOX news thread
a read it didn't have at the time. the earlier pages here have a fresh optimism!

lol u bumped this ugh 0.o!

Aratus
03-22-2008, 01:29 PM
http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=129754
here's the carl cameron piece and its video link. did the "truther" label happen way
before the first debates happened? did HQ underestimate how big the context is
whereupon any encouraging statements about a willingness for full disclosure
could lead to a cynicism and skepticism as people solidify into polarized stances?
quite obviously there is a muted "cone of silence" over the more precise information.