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Magicman
05-08-2008, 12:34 PM
From Southern Patriot:

For those who haven’t heard, nearly 300 delegates to the Missouri State convention have had their credientials challenged. Many of us don’t even know each other, some of us do--we all have one thing in common however, we all support Ron Paul. As a matter of fact, it’s for that very reason that many of us have been challenged. Appearantly if you support Ron Paul, that makes you "un-Republican" and because of a clause in the standing rules of the Missouri GOP where it states "a delegate should be a strong and faithful Republican" they have used their bogus arguement against us. Others of us have been challenged because we were elected at caucuses where the establishment Republicans broke their own rules, thus negating the results of those caucuses. Oddly enough, in nearly 40 counties across the State were little or no Ron Paul delegates were had because the establishment Republicans lied and broke rules there have been no delegates challenged.

This is an outrage! We are being shut out of the process. The Missouri GOP has made it quite clear that although the Republican party is the self-professed "party of the open door", there is can be no door open and no room for an enthusiastic group of Constitutionalists within their dieing party. They have broke their own rules many times over, showing to us that there is no stoop too low for them to maintain the very corrupt "good ol boy" power structure that they have created for themselves. Now they have challenged over 300 delegates to the State Convention, nearly all of us being suspected Ron Paul supporters. As said before, most of us are challenged merely for that fact, that being a Ron Paul supporter somehow makes us "un-Republican". If we’re "un-Republican" for supporting the Constitutional principles of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then they are "un-American" for their appearant distaste for such principles and the people who support them. They don’t have to agree with all of our ideologies, but to be fair and to follow their own rules is appearantly even too much to ask of them.

The truth is that there are no principles left in mainstream politics today. There is certainly no dignity or principle in the Republican party of Missouri. They have disgraced themselves, and they ought to be ashamed. Reguardless of any shame or remorse felt, they will feel the sting of their alienation when the elections are held.

Kinda hard to read the words in this video because of a formatting issue, but this is a very good account of what has recently happened here in Missouri. I myself went to Jefferson City this past Monday to find out why my entire county delegation had been challenged. Though they reluctantlly told us why we had been challenged(lucky for us, the Committee refused to answer that question for many other counties), they refused to tell us who had filed the challenge, they refused to show us evidence of the challenge, and they refused to show evidence that it was properly filed and done so in a timely manner. Do we not even have the right to see evidence of their claims, or to face our accusor? I reckon we’ll find out at the end of the month when we hold our State Convention.

Here’s the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy_8THVO-1w

acroso
05-08-2008, 12:35 PM
If they oust the Ron Paul supporters in Missouri, we should just support the Democrats in that state until they get the point. Well that along with removing the party leaders when possible to vote on them/

torchbearer
05-08-2008, 12:42 PM
Neocons are going down in 2008. and 2010. and 2012. until there are no more left.


Good news, Neocon Woody Jenkins lost his race in Louisiana, in a republican district to the Dem.
After they pulled far worse shit in Louisiana. We will crush them in the elections.

Sarge
05-08-2008, 01:06 PM
And here is who they are trying to support,

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/08/politics/animal/main4080586.shtml

A democrat!

Now our paper is starting to get it.

Keep spreading the word and wake people up. Don't give up.

speciallyblend
05-08-2008, 01:31 PM
Waiting To Be Waterboarded At The Colorado Convention:eek:

Soccrmastr
05-08-2008, 01:33 PM
this is disgusting and leaves me speechless

Bison
05-08-2008, 01:39 PM
If they oust the Ron Paul supporters in Missouri, we should just support the Democrats in that state until they get the point. Well that along with removing the party leaders when possible to vote on them/

Support constitutionalist candidates with your vote. As soon as the Constitution Party of Missouri gets ballot access we will be fielding about 24 candidates. US rep, Governor, state rep etc. All the statewide races will have CP candidates.

We turned in 15,000 signatures (we only needed 10,000) and are waiting for the results now.

http://www.constitutionpartymo.org

.

AJ Antimony
05-08-2008, 02:02 PM
If they oust the Ron Paul supporters in Missouri, we should just support the Democrats in that state until they get the point. Well that along with removing the party leaders when possible to vote on them/

What the hell? You think supporting Democrats is going to make the Republicans cry and feel bad? They obviously don't give a shit about us in general, so why would they all of a sudden give a shit if we voted Democrat?

There comes a time when the happy, idealistic solution just isn't going to work anymore and you instead have to just walk up... and punch the jerks in the face.

kirkblitz
05-08-2008, 02:52 PM
how can they not be sued? Dont they get public money?

bucfish
05-08-2008, 02:59 PM
Scumbags. Those who cannot even follow their own laws and rules should no longer be allowed to make them.

scandinaviany3
05-08-2008, 03:11 PM
dont be nice...take all individuals to court that participated in the nazi like behavior.

They need some heavy fines and then they will all stop doing this none sense....

How stupid, crooked and evil people have gotten...they continue to follow these people to oblivion knowing what they are doing they would never want done to them.

scandinaviany3
05-08-2008, 03:13 PM
Support constitutionalist candidates with your vote. As soon as the Constitution Party of Missouri gets ballot access we will be fielding about 24 candidates. US rep, Governor, state rep etc. All the statewide races will have CP candidates.

We turned in 15,000 signatures (we only needed 10,000) and are waiting for the results now.

http://www.constitutionpartymo.org

.

Great job bison this is war

scandinaviany3
05-08-2008, 03:14 PM
how can they not be sued? Dont they get public money?

Sue the individuals not the party...if you bankrupt the individuals there isnt going to be any volunteers and the peer pressure will go the way it should.

Against the nazi behavior!

ClockwiseSpark
05-08-2008, 03:17 PM
What the hell? You think supporting Democrats is going to make the Republicans cry and feel bad? They obviously don't give a shit about us in general, so why would they all of a sudden give a shit if we voted Democrat?

There comes a time when the happy, idealistic solution just isn't going to work anymore and you instead have to just walk up... and punch the jerks in the face.

I volunteer to be on this committee.

nate895
05-08-2008, 03:34 PM
If you get a single delegate into the convention, go for a rump convention. Make sure to have people to be delegate from every county, enough to make a quorum. They don't have to be actual delegates, either.

amonasro
05-08-2008, 04:26 PM
If you get a single delegate into the convention, go for a rump convention. Make sure to have people to be delegate from every county, enough to make a quorum. They don't have to be actual delegates, either.

If they're already trying (and apparently succeeding) at all this dirty trickery, what makes you believe that the Republican Party would recognize a Paul Rump Convention? Aren't they the ones that have to rule whether or not it is valid?

dude58677
05-08-2008, 04:37 PM
how can they not be sued? Dont they get public money?


You think suing them in a court that is operated by them is going to work? It's time we order them bill me later magazines under their name and adress. They will be so hassled with bills they wouldn't be able to focus on their work. Use an anonomyizer so your IP adress can't be traced.

nate895
05-08-2008, 05:08 PM
If they're already trying (and apparently succeeding) at all this dirty trickery, what makes you believe that the Republican Party would recognize a Paul Rump Convention? Aren't they the ones that have to rule whether or not it is valid?

The National GOP does.

Akus
05-08-2008, 06:35 PM
What the hell? You think supporting Democrats is going to make the Republicans cry and feel bad? They obviously don't give a shit about us in general, so why would they all of a sudden give a shit if we voted Democrat?

There comes a time when the happy, idealistic solution just isn't going to work anymore and you instead have to just walk up... and punch the jerks in the face.

AJ is absolutely right. Us being out side of the party is no punishment, in fact ,the establishment wants it that way. But I wish someone here would say how we can counter these people who will undo everything that MO Ron Paulers did.

leonster
05-08-2008, 06:54 PM
What the hell? You think supporting Democrats is going to make the Republicans cry and feel bad? They obviously don't give a shit about us in general, so why would they all of a sudden give a shit if we voted Democrat?

There comes a time when the happy, idealistic solution just isn't going to work anymore and you instead have to just walk up... and punch the jerks in the face.

Well, if it's a close race (as Missouri tends to be, Presidentially) then 10% of Republicans throwing their votes and support to the Democrat could flip the vote of the whole state. If it's a close election like 2000 and 2004--who knows, Republicans losing a key state that they've come to rely on could throw the *Presidency* to the Democrats (like Florida and Ohio threw it to Bush in those two years).

I don't like Democrats or their socialist policies at all... and all these things are only possibilities, not certainties--but if that happened, Republicans would realize they NEED our support.

leonster
05-08-2008, 06:55 PM
AJ is absolutely right. Us being out side of the party is no punishment, in fact ,the establishment wants it that way. But I wish someone here would say how we can counter these people who will undo everything that MO Ron Paulers did.

I don't think we should leave the party. But it would be pretty damning for McCain to have 10% of MO Republicans organized as anti-McCain campaigners. :P

pepperpete1
05-08-2008, 08:35 PM
Who were all the members of the inquisition? You have not had your state convention yet, so are they of the state credentials committee? Or national? I read where Richard Peerson was one of them. He holds a national position of Treasurer in the RNC. Why was he there?
They have definitely broken their rules.
Did you guys have to pay a fee to apply as a nominee for delegate? Maybe there is a way you could sue in civil court and not have to rely on a decision of the RNC.

Someone needs to stop this nonsense. I am surprised that Ron Paul himself is not speaking out about this.

PlzPeopleWakeUp
05-08-2008, 08:48 PM
nt

Paul Revered
05-08-2008, 09:03 PM
I find this to be extremely disturbing. I'm starting to lose faith in my party. I don't say this lightly, as I'm 46 years old, and have voted in every election as a registered Republican, since I became of legal age.

crazyfacedjenkins
05-08-2008, 09:13 PM
I find this to be extremely disturbing. I'm starting to lose faith in my party. I don't say this lightly, as I'm 46 years old, and have voted in every election as a registered Republican, since I became of legal age.

You're just starting to lose faith? Geez, when I was 16 I knew the whole thing was a fucking scam.

ronpaulitician
05-08-2008, 10:15 PM
It's their party... they can set the rules.







For now.

libertarian4321
05-08-2008, 11:53 PM
We all pretty much expect the GOP to throw roadblocks in the way- but this is too much.

Frankly, if I was one of those delegates, and was told I was going to be excluded, I'd say "screw you, I'm supporting Obama as of RIGHT NOW!"

Teach the bastards a lesson- MO is a swing state- the last thing the already weakened GOP needs is tens of thousands of Ron Paul people voting for Obama- hit 'em where it hurts (and, unfortunately, voting for a Libertarian or Constitution Party guy won't do that).

Like an addict needs to hit bottom before seeking help, maybe the Republican Party needs to be torn down before it can be rebuilt...

MozoVote
05-09-2008, 06:37 AM
Telling them you'd vote Obama just plays into their hands. It validates their claim that these people "are not real Republicans".

rancher89
05-09-2008, 06:54 AM
Telling them you'd vote Obama just plays into their hands. It validates their claim that these people "are not real Republicans".

Exactly, we need to stick with it, keep coming back, be civil, be tough, but most of all don't quit. We will outlast them at this game, because we have liberty covering our backs!

danielboon
05-09-2008, 07:15 AM
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/09/infighting_rains_on_mccains_party/

danielboon
05-09-2008, 07:17 AM
check out this frontpage bostonglobe were having an effect

acptulsa
05-09-2008, 07:26 AM
Thanks for the link, Dan'l. Good article. Love seeing good Charlie Meadows quoted. He's been fighting for right inside the Oklahoma G.O.P. since before many on this forum was even born. Go Charlie!!

georgiaboy
05-09-2008, 07:30 AM
It's their party... they can set the rules. For now.

(EDIT) I know what you're saying, but it's OUR party, too.

With the current large numbers of active delegates & party members in Missouri, we should be able to adjust the rules to our liking, and challenge or dismiss the rules being created mid-stream, as the committee folks seem to be doing.

Must think about how we can be going on the offensive (pun intended) right now.

salsero96
05-09-2008, 07:30 AM
Can anybody explain one thing to me?

I agree with Ron Paul 99% of the time. However, I don't understand why he isn't speaking out about the way the GOP is treating Ron Paul supporters who are part of the Republican party.

I don't know the legality of what is going on, but IMO this is discrimination based on who the delegates support. Why aren't they treating Huckabee or Romney supporters like this? Why single out the Ron Paul supporters?

Anyway, I really feel that Ron Paul should be doing "something" about this. Who else can we turn to to make the GOP play by their own rules??

pinkmandy
05-09-2008, 07:32 AM
I haven't read the entire thread but ALL of you need to start writing your local papers. You need to name names and expose what is going on. Don't make it about RP, make it about shutting out conservatives because they believe in the Constitution, limited govt, and fiscal responsibility.

Shine a little light on the GOP.

Carole
05-09-2008, 07:52 AM
Remember, one vote is really two votes when one votes against a candidate. Only if the Republican voter who opposes McInSane stays home does his vote only count as one vote. (One less for McInSane, but none extra for opponent).

That ten percent could become twenty percent difference in (these Repub) vote results when the votes are tallied.

Hence, if only ninety of one hundred Republicans vote for McInSane and instead vote for a Democrat, the spread could be from eleven to twenty percent (among Repubs who vote Dem) depending on whether they vote as a block for the same Democrat or split it between two Dems.

If:
Total 1000 Dem voters
Total 700 Republican voters

Total 70 Republican votes go to Dems.

McInsane 630 and Dems 1070 votes (looks better if not split between two Dems, but still looks bad for McInSane.

It is so much better than those 70 Republicans staying home on primary day. It would be great if the Republican 70 could vote as a block for one candidate. :eek:

I like it. :)

acptulsa
05-09-2008, 07:59 AM
The thing is, if we all vote for someone other than the Democrat (say, Ron Paul as independent or choose CP or LP) then they know exactly how many votes they turned their noses up at district by district. One the one hand, they can then say, "See, they aren't good Republicans." And we can say, "See what you'd have if you stuck by G.O.P. ideals."

And we, being right, can stick by our guns and be more stubborn until they reform or fade away.

If we just vote for the Democrat, not only will we not get a better candidate in office (it will probably make no difference one way or the other), but we will just be lost in the crowd and can't point our finger and say, "This is us. This is what you could have had if you'd done right." And if we just stay home, we're just as lost in a bigger crowd.

Carole
05-09-2008, 08:23 AM
Well, this article did not really give the RP delegates' POV as to the cheating going on. It was mostly slanted to swallow whatever the GOP machine fed them to write.

It could have been a decent article if it explored some of the shenanigans.

But it was New York Times copyrighted.

sratiug
05-09-2008, 08:46 AM
Can anybody explain one thing to me?

I agree with Ron Paul 99% of the time. However, I don't understand why he isn't speaking out about the way the GOP is treating Ron Paul supporters who are part of the Republican party.

I don't know the legality of what is going on, but IMO this is discrimination based on who the delegates support. Why aren't they treating Huckabee or Romney supporters like this? Why single out the Ron Paul supporters?

Anyway, I really feel that Ron Paul should be doing "something" about this. Who else can we turn to to make the GOP play by their own rules??

I'm just guessing here, but aren't the state parties all separate organizations? So wouldn't any legal action have to be against the state party or officials or volunteers?

No possible way this is legal. All we need is a minority or two to file suit. Ron Paul cannot do it. We have to do it. And now is the time. Where are all you BAR association titles of nobility violating rascals when you are actually needed? Is there a LAWYER in the house???????????

pepperpete1
05-09-2008, 10:54 AM
I'm just guessing here, but aren't the state parties all separate organizations? So wouldn't any legal action have to be against the state party or officials or volunteers?

No possible way this is legal. All we need is a minority or two to file suit. Ron Paul cannot do it. We have to do it. And now is the time. Where are all you BAR association titles of nobility violating rascals when you are actually needed? Is there a LAWYER in the house???????????

The Ron Paul campaign certainly can and should be challenging these escapades of the partyline.

acptulsa
05-09-2008, 11:00 AM
I'm just guessing here, but aren't the state parties all separate organizations? So wouldn't any legal action have to be against the state party or officials or volunteers?

That's a point. It may be that Dr. Paul could do something directly against the Texas G.O.P. but has no say in any other state organization. It could also be wiser for Dr. Paul to remain above it all. I think we can best help him by helping ourselves. That said, it seems to me like this is a good avenue to pursue.

pepperpete1
05-09-2008, 11:14 AM
That's a point. It may be that Dr. Paul could do something directly against the Texas G.O.P. but has no say in any other state organization. It could also be wiser for Dr. Paul to remain above it all. I think we can best help him by helping ourselves. That said, it seems to me like this is a good avenue to pursue.

The campaign filed charges in Louisiana and to the RNC. Yes, it would be great if the delegates involved would file a contestment. That is why I asked who were the members of the committee that challenged the credentials? Were they from the state or from the National party? I guess I would file with the national party.

I read an article in the Boston Globe posted on another thread that it was "different individuals" that made the challenge, even though they would not advise the delegates who had brought them.

Magicman
05-09-2008, 04:59 PM
Bump

pepperpete1
05-09-2008, 08:25 PM
Does anyone know whether the credentials committee is from the state or national party?