Rev. Wright, Dr. Paul, and a New Anti-Imperialist League

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

My mom called me the other day and asked me what I thought about Rev. Wright. She said he sounds just like me and Ron Paul!

I hardly ever watch TV News, but I do get to hear in small doses the CIA's AM Talk Radio products when I'm in my car. And Operation-Reverand Wright has been amazing! They (Hannity/Limbaugh/Jerry Doyle/etc.) respond to the good Rev EXACTLY the way they reacted to hearing the truth from Ron Paul. They've been told to play--or they can't help themselves from playing--endless clips of the Rev. and when they hear the history of the U.S.'s crimes, they can only snicker and tick nervously as though just hearing the litany of U.S. war crimes instantly induces upon them a form of Turetts syndrome.

Remember in the debates Guliani's eyes popping and his reflexive cackling when Ron would explain the history of the 1953 overthrow of democratically elected Mossedeq? Remember Romney's cognitively dissonant blank stare when Ron asked Romney to put himself in the shoes of the Arabs and consider what it would be like for China to have permanent military bases in Texas and aircraft carriers off of both of our coasts? For 2 months solid, the AM radio talk show hosts have been playing kick-ass riffs from the good Rev (often in context) and then snickering Beavis-like--never addressing a single of the Rev's points.

I think that properly handled, a formal public alliance with the Rev. in the form of a revival of the old Anti-Imperialist League ( http://www.antiwar.com/orig/bender.php?articleid=4335 ) could be great for the cause and it might do a lot to heal the ripping wounds to the movement caused by Ron's foolish tolerance of Rockwell/Rothbard's lousy editorship of the racist newsletters that went out under his name in the 1990's. And the racist newsletter issue is what sunk this movement when Ron stammered to Wolf Blitzer the day before the NH primary.

A new Anti-Imperialist League with Ron Paul and Rev. Wright as the co-founders could be a silver/magic bullet event for our cause. Other true anti-imperialists on the left (Kucinich, Nader, etc.) and right (Buchanan, Rev. Chuck Baldwin, Alex Jones, etc.) could get involved as charter members.

If Alex Jones can be Ron Paul's friend, then why not Rev. Wright? Actually, from what I've read and heard from Rev. Wright blasting non-stop in the press and on AM talk radio, I've found much, much less questionable Alex Jonesy kind of stuff than you get from Alex Jones himself. And when it comes to reciting the criminality of the U.S. empire, Wright blows Alex Jones away.

A move like this could be a silver bullet kind of event that could finally unite the anti-statist sentiments of the libertarian right and the peace and freedom oriented left. Maybe it would lead to Baldwin's party, Nader, Cynthia McKinney's greens, and the libertarians all transferring their party's nominations to a Ron Paul/Kucinich 3rd parties ticket.

If the Revolution doesn't reach out to and gain alliance from the left, (especially when they're doing our act better than us in some cases such as Rev. Wright) we're doomed. Let's make an alliance with Rev. Wright and soon Hannity and Limbaugh won't be able to stop themselves from playing endless kick-ass Ron Paul riffs on their shows again!

[Aratus]

could FREEDOM MARCH people invite him? just so folks could hear him speak? mark twain, yes!!!

[brandon]

Doesn't he think black people are more important then white people?
DOesn't he think the aids virus was created by white people with the intention of destroying the black race?

[yongrel]

Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's marginalize ourselves by associating with the most extreme and fringe elements of the political realm!

That totally won't reinforce the popular notion that we're a bunch of kooks.

[tonyr1988]

Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's marginalize ourselves by associating with the most extreme and fringe elements of the political realm!

That totally won't reinforce the popular notion that we're a bunch of kooks.

SUPER idea! Let's make sure to seal it in the bag and only associate with the racist ones, too.




How could associating with Rev. Wright be a good thing at all? Just because he's hated by the MSM and screams a lot doesn't mean he's right about anything.

[Aratus]

admittedly its a risk. you might get some of the ethnic locals in the march were the "rev" to
go in high gear... you'd also get media cameras galore and then some awaiting for a fast sound-byte!
its a risk. i feel were he to be on the level, people would hear MORE about barack obama...

[Aratus]

all reverend wright basically is ... is this small church's preacher who now has
discovered the media soundbite shock jock realms don imus, howard stern
and rush limbaugh know by heart! its a risk! reverend wright has a baggage!

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

brandonyates, As I said, from what I can tell, Alex Jones' good ideas are mixed up with as many questionable ideas as the good Rev's, if not more, and Ron has no problem allying with him.

And regarding the Rev's "racism", most of the stuff that I've read and heard has been merely accurate and not racist. My biggest problem with the Rev. is his collectivist views regarding the U.S. as a whole more than racial collectivism, but that's a big problem throughout the right, center, and left sides of a potential Anti-Imperialist League.

[Aratus]

what do we really know about barack obama at the current hour?
reverend wright may have been one of the few people on the surface
of our planet who may have heard a much younger barack's hopes and dreams...

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

Let's marginalize ourselves by associating with the most extreme and fringe elements of the political realm!

yongrel, The fact is that when people such as my mom who are serious, thoughtful, and honest hear Rev. Wright, they see that he's saying the same things that Ron Paul was saying and getting the same Turrets-like scoffing in response that Ron Paul got in the debates.

Trying to hide this fact is dishonest and insulting to people who are capable of self-reflection. A strategy of exclusively pandering to the right will never achieve the success that could be achieved if we reached out to the peace and freedom left.

[Cinderella]

i really like rev wright

[tonyr1988]

(I was going to provide sources, but most are small snippets of his speeches - too much of a pain to describe exactly when he said it during his sermons; however, I linked to Google searches that show you exactly where they're at)

(I may be misinterpreting some of these, but I'm fairly confident about them. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)


He believes that the Supreme Court is secretly a branch of the KKK. (http://www5.google.com/search?q=%22and+a+closeted+Klan+court%2C%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&ei=6iIjSOb2DJSi8ATd5oWSDA&redir_esc=www5)
He believes that the US government invented HIV to conduct genocide against minorities. (http://www5.google.com/search?q=%22The+government+lied+about+inventing+th e+HIV+virus+as+a+means+of+genocide+against+people+ of+color.%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&ei=PyMjSKKdApys8ATlpd2ODA&redir_esc=www5)
He is in favor of affirmative action (http://www5.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&hs=0HT&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22they+are+about+to+undo+affirmative+action%22&spell=1) (not a huge OMG!!!!!! factor, but definitely against everything a liberty-loving person stands for...)
He believes the Tuskegee experiment infected black men with syphilis on purpose. (http://www5.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XKT&q=%22The+government+lied+about+the+Tuskegee+experi ment.+They+purposely+infected+African+American+men +with+syphilis.%22&btnG=Search) (The Tuskegee experiment was weird/crazy/stupid/wrong, but it's pretty aluminum-foil-hat to think that they were purposefully infected)


Just to name a few....

[Aratus]

(1.) hugo black, who had been a roosevelt appointee, was at k.k.k rallies in his youth... (hyperbole)

(2.) we as a gov't did have our chem-bio weapon stockpiles and research... (common knowledge)

(3.) he's into a MLK activism! soooooooooooo... number three is not a surprise!!! (politics as usual)

(4.) the research at tuskegee does look deliberate, and a very slow drawn out experiament... (sadly enough)

[salsero96]

Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's marginalize ourselves by associating with the most extreme and fringe elements of the political realm!

That totally won't reinforce the popular notion that we're a bunch of kooks.

I agree 100% with yongrel on this one!

How can you even associate Ron Paul with someone like Mr Wright?

[sratiug]

My 79 year old (white) mother watched his televised speeches and likes him too. I think we should involve him if possible. I just don't see how the media can disparage us as white and black supremecists at the same time. Though they will call us anti-Semites (http://minx.cc/?post=257959. When they do that maybe people will at least wonder why.

This Anti-Imperialist League is a fantastic idea!

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

tonyr1988, As I've said, from what I've read and heard, his ratio of hyperboles and inaccuracies to honest truths is far smaller than Alex Jones'

I like Alex Jones a lot too, even though I know he's often sloppy, inaccurate, and sounds like a maniac preacher.

RP has distanced himself from AJ by saying he doesn't think 9/11 was an inside job, but still benefits greatly from his alliance with AJ. Doing a simliar thing with
Rev. Wright would add a whole new dimension to RP's libertarian broad appeal.

RP could easily correct the Rev.'s inaccuracies about Tuskeegee and say that he can overlook differences with the Rev. just as he does with AJ, or when he allies with state-socialist Kucinich on votes in the House. After all, having to keep track of when the U.S. government is infecting one group with small pox blankets, or merely knavishly denying treatment to another group is a minor issue compared to the Statement of Principles of the New Anti-Imperialist League.

[tonyr1988]

(1.) hugo black, who had been a roosevelt appointee, was at k.k.k rallies in his youth... (hyperbole)

a) Hugo Black left the bench in 1971. Wright said this significantly after Black was gone.

b) He wasn't talking historically. In fact, he says it's a "throwback to the 19th century" - he's talking about the current Supreme Court.

c) Nor is he talking about a single person on the bench. He directly says that it is a "closeted Klan court." Admit it - that's crazy.


(2.) we as a gov't did have our chem-bio weapon stockpiles and research... (common knowledge)

a) Chem-bio weapons and stockpiles of HIV?

b) There is little evidence that the government created HIV - definitely not enough evidence to be positive about it. Rev. Wright wasn't just questioning the "official story" - he was completely sure that it was wrong.

c) EVEN IF the government created HIV, is there evidence that it was done intentionally?

d) EVEN IF the government created HIV intentionally, is there evidence that it was done to conduct genocide?

e) EVEN IF the government created HIV intentionally to conduct genocide, what possible evidence is there that it was done to conduct genocide against minorities? (correlation != causation)


(3.) he's into a MLK activism! soooooooooooo... number three is not a surprise!!! (politics as usual)

a) It's only a surprise if you think that Rev. Wright believed in the same principles we do.

b) Of course it's politics as usual - that was my point. His politics != our politics.


(4.) the research at tuskegee does look deliberate, and a very slow drawn out experiament... (sadly enough)

(I'll admit that I know very little about the Tuskegee experiment)

a) What makes it look deliberate?

b) I agree that it was very drawn out. I agree that it was horrible. I agree that it was racist. I agree that it should have never happened. That doesn't mean that they were given syphilis intentionally.

[tonyr1988]

tonyr1988, As I've said, from what I've read and heard, his ratio of hyperboles and inaccuracies to honest truths is far smaller than Alex Jones'

I like Alex Jones a lot too, even though I know he's often sloppy, inaccurate, and sounds like a maniac preacher.

RP has distanced himself from AJ by saying he doesn't think 9/11 was an inside job, but still benefits greatly from his alliance with AJ. Doing a simliar thing with
Rev. Wright would add a whole new dimension to RP's libertarian broad appeal.

RP could easily correct the Rev.'s inaccuracies about Tuskeegee and say that he can overlook differences with the Rev. just as he does with AJ, or when he allies with state-socialist Kucinich on votes in the House. After all, having to keep track of when the U.S. government is infecting one group with small pox blankets, or merely knavishly denying treatment to another group is a minor issue compared to the Statement of Principles of the New Anti-Imperialist League.

I agree with your general premise, but I don't think it applies to Rev. Wright. What could possibly benefit from allying with someone like him? Even liberals don't like the guy. Does Wright believe that we should be completely non-interventionist, or just when it comes to violence? Given his views about race, I'm sure he supports sending government aid to Africa.

So....we don't agree with him on domestic policy (aff action, socialist welfare, etc.) and we don't agree on foreign policy (based on the assumption that he's only against a violent imperialism)......why would we ally with him again?

(I don't really like AJ either - I love how we blow up when the MSM does inaccurate reporting, but are willing to "live and let live" when people spread, with certainty, unfounded theories)

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

sratiug said: I just don't see how the media can disparage us as white and black supremecists at the same time.

Oh, they will try. You can count on that. But that could work to our advantage. They won't be able to stop themselves from playing endless clips of the Rev. and Ron Paul. And eventually more people like my mom and your mom will be turned on to the truth.

[Aratus]

tonyr1988


...and hugo black was a very LIBERAL member of the warren court!!! so it aint him that got the rev going!

...did we take tissue samples that had an obscure virus in the past, say either the 1960s
or 1970s? we may have, and i thought i had read an article where HIV is like a cat immune system virus... and HIV
strains have different potencies and mutation rates!

...quotas are being re-thought. there have been legal challenges. rev wright's politics is 1970s activism...

...if one slams into the gov't for this, its ironically FDR's 16 year admin + gov't people who have to be looked at...

[mczerone]

I think starting a Political Umbrella group is a great idea, and inviting people as diverse as these is a great idea.

The mission statement needs to include "despite our otherwise conflicting ideas and beliefs, we come together under the unifying idea that we need to limit our foreign involvements, and live by the nonaggression principle"

A good way to start selling some ideas without having everybody subscribe to the whole package at once.

[Aratus]

i think "Wolfgang Bohringer" and "mczerone" both sense what i media maven sense... the "political umbrella" need not be tres
judgemental totally or doctrinaire, and it lets Dr. Ron Paul just might get on air with a few qualifiers! neatly and nicely enuff!!!

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

tony, I think you might be assuming incorrectly about the Rev's other positions. From everything I've read and heard, I would bet that the Rev is a lot more independent and self reliant like Malcom X or Farrakhan in his domestic politics than paternalistic state-socialists like Kucinich (but I could be wrong). And I wouldn't expect him to be for intervening in Africa or anywhere else like Obama/Brezenski want to either--which is why I thought that anti-imperialism would be our most common ground.

Have you listened to any of his "Are we serving God or Government?" sermon? The Rev. rocks!

[Cinderella]

a) Chem-bio weapons and stockpiles of HIV?

d) EVEN IF the government created HIV intentionally, is there evidence that it was done to conduct genocide?

e) EVEN IF the government created HIV intentionally to conduct genocide, what possible evidence is there that it was done to conduct genocide against minorities? (correlation != causation)


**adjusting tin foil hat**

AIDS was made by the US government as a tool to control population...did u kno that population control was the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the third world?? depopulation would be desirable in all third world countries where "black", "brown", and "yellow" people live....


***its a coincidence that the world health organization went into central africa in 1972, into an area known as the "AIDS Belt", and administered a smallpox vaccine to several thousand africans.....this was followed immediately by the first outbreak of AIDS on this planet....coincidence??????

another thing that isnt really mentioned is that the HEP B vaccine was given to several thousand homosexuals in NY and san francisco in 1978.....the fact is, every single person who recieved that vaccine contracted AIDS....that is what the first american victims of AIDS all had in common....

many doctors agree that the AIDS virus would never have occured spontaneously in nature....animal viruses cant jump species, as we are being told they did.....viruses cant jump species unless they are engineered to do so.....

we'll never be able to prove that Aids was developed to reduce populations of central africa, the black inner cities, drug users, prostitutes and homosexuals....i believe they will find a cure once they have exterminated billions of people......

i dont believe in the "coincidence theory" of history---i just cant......the CIA and the national security council are too "brilliant" and corrupt....they plan everything down to the smallest detail....




now feel free to bash my crazy thoughts......

[LT for the Truth]

with regards to whether Aids was created by Anglo-Americans, I would respond like Pastor Wright and ask if you have read Dr. Len Horowitz's writings. Here's the link. Heck, I don't agree with RP on everything, however, when he is correct, I try to spread the word.

http://len.healthyworldblog.com/ev/Symptom_of_a_Rigged_Election.html

[AFM]

I dont want to be associated with that creep

[sratiug]

(I was going to provide sources, but most are small snippets of his speeches - too much of a pain to describe exactly when he said it during his sermons; however, I linked to Google searches that show you exactly where they're at)

(I may be misinterpreting some of these, but I'm fairly confident about them. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)


He believes that the Supreme Court is secretly a branch of the KKK. (http://www5.google.com/search?q=%22and+a+closeted+Klan+court%2C%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&ei=6iIjSOb2DJSi8ATd5oWSDA&redir_esc=www5)
He believes that the US government invented HIV to conduct genocide against minorities. (http://www5.google.com/search?q=%22The+government+lied+about+inventing+th e+HIV+virus+as+a+means+of+genocide+against+people+ of+color.%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&ei=PyMjSKKdApys8ATlpd2ODA&redir_esc=www5)
He is in favor of affirmative action (http://www5.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&hs=0HT&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22they+are+about+to+undo+affirmative+action%22&spell=1) (not a huge OMG!!!!!! factor, but definitely against everything a liberty-loving person stands for...)
He believes the Tuskegee experiment infected black men with syphilis on purpose. (http://www5.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=XKT&q=%22The+government+lied+about+the+Tuskegee+experi ment.+They+purposely+infected+African+American+men +with+syphilis.%22&btnG=Search) (The Tuskegee experiment was weird/crazy/stupid/wrong, but it's pretty aluminum-foil-hat to think that they were purposefully infected)


Just to name a few....

Here is a link describing the British government payments for Sarin nerve gas experiments resulting in the death of a British pilot. I saw this story, I think on a History Channel documentary. A US CIA agent was "suicided" because they thought he was a threat to out the experiments. The CIA agents themselves were given LSD. How can anyone doubt the psychotic nature of government? Artificial entities have no conscience and no value system.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/6-6-1/42202.html

[apropos]

How could it possibly benefit the RP movement by associating itself with someone whose most well known statement is "God damn America"?

[Rhys]

I'm a Rev. Wright supporter. I support bringing him into the fold. Right or wrong, he has a point and shouldn't be ostracise's any more than we should be. America isn't holy, so anyone can ask to have it Damned for all I care. I like America and all, but she aint sacred. Besides, the bible proverbs say to damn everyone and their mother and isreal. Does that make the bible anti-semitic? How bout the people who wrote it? lol To me, it goes beyond helping Ron Paul get elected, and gets to the point of what we're fighting for. Besides, 20 million black voters on our side can't hurt!

[slamhead]

I'm a Rev. Wright supporter. I support bringing him into the fold. Right or wrong, he has a point and shouldn't be ostracise's any more than we should be. America isn't holy, so anyone can ask to have it Damned for all I care. I like America and all, but she aint sacred. Besides, the bible proverbs say to damn everyone and their mother and isreal. Does that make the bible anti-semitic? How bout the people who wrote it? lol To me, it goes beyond helping Ron Paul get elected, and gets to the point of what we're fighting for. Besides, 20 million black voters on our side can't hurt!


I don't see the point where he can help the Ron Paul movement. Other than holding a foreign policy of non intervention he is way in left field on other issues. He engages in collectivism of blacks against whites and is direct conflict with Dr. Paul.

[Aratus]

locals in D.C just might want to hear him speak... he mamaged to be very lucid with bill moyers

[Rhys]

I don't see the point where he can help the Ron Paul movement. Other than holding a foreign policy of non intervention he is way in left field on other issues. He engages in collectivism of blacks against whites and is direct conflict with Dr. Paul.

the part where we get 20 million black voters is where it helps us.

Besides that, I don't support him because I'm getting something out of it. I respect him for his bravery and honesty, the same way I do Ron Paul. Also, best of my knowledge, he's closer to us than Obama in issues. A lot of people are mad at Obama for distancing himself. You wont hear about that on the news, of course. That's because the narrative is people are upset about Wright. Saying what's really going on would make them report what's happening, instead of a "story". I know I lost respect for Obama and Hilary over all this. Not that I had ANY for Hilary anyway.

Also, I don't think he's black vs white... I think he's black which means he's oppressed.

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

How could it possibly benefit the RP movement by associating itself with someone whose most well known statement is "God damn America"?

I heard him answer that question pretty well at that National Press Club thing. He talked about how the old testament prophets' job was to deliver God's message of condemnation to the Israelites. And like the old testament prophets, Rev. Wright said his sermon offered a chance for repentance and reconciliation for America. This is a powerful message that compliments Dr. Paul's message and provides hope for forgiveness and salvation.

[Peace&Freedom]

The equation between Alex Jones and Reverend Wright is false. The whole premise behind Jones' rants is to get people check his government and mainstream sources on his websites and videos, which back him up point for point. Paul's distancing himself from AJ overall hurt his campaign (well, it certainly didn't win Paul a single primary, or keep the media from marginalizing him).

But Wright, by contrast, makes casual overstatements without even attempting to source any claims. The main reason Wright was newsworthy at all was because of his 20 year relationship with Obama through his church. If Wright had been a mere staffer who mouthed off, he would have been fired on day one, end of story.

[Rhys]

The equation between Alex Jones and Reverend Wright is false. The whole premise behind Jones' rants is to get people check his government and mainstream sources on his websites and videos, which back him up point for point. Paul's distancing himself from AJ overall hurt his campaign (well, it certainly didn't win Paul a single primary, or keep the media from marginalizing him).

But Wright, by contrast, makes casual overstatements without even attempting to source any claims. The main reason Wright was newsworthy at all was because of his 20 year relationship with Obama through his church. If Wright had been a mere staffer who mouthed off, he would have been fired on day one, end of story.

lol weaksauce. you're just fishing for excuses. besides, RP never distanced from AJ as he should have cause AJ is nutz. Wright isn't nutz... you're just feeding into the MSM hype.

[salsero96]

If the Revolution doesn't reach out to and gain alliance from the left, (especially when they're doing our act better than us in some cases such as Rev. Wright) we're doomed. Let's make an alliance with Rev. Wright...




If Mr. Wright wanted to put his support behind Ron Paul, that would be one thing. But for "us" to reach out and make an "alliance" with him... That's just dumb.

When freedom minded people hear Ron Paul's message, they come to him! Ron Paul and/or the "Revolution" don't go to them. If Mr. Wright believed in Ron Paul's message, he would come on his own.

IMO Wright's beliefs aren't even close to those of Ron Paul or the "Revolution"

[Rhys]

If Mr. Wright wanted to put his support behind Ron Paul, that would be one thing. But for "us" to reach out and make an "alliance" with him... That's just dumb.

When freedom minded people hear Ron Paul's message, they come to him! Ron Paul and/or the "Revolution" don't go to them. If Mr. Wright believed in Ron Paul's message, he would come on his own.

IMO Wright's beliefs aren't even close to those of Ron Paul or the "Revolution"

I don't see why he shouldn't speak. It would be lots of press. shit loads. Obama's former paster now speaks at Ron Paul rally. Damn, talk about walking how you talk and getting in the news for it!!! some would be bad press, but it's not like we get good press ever! and one thing this group needs to learn is how to frame a debate. Look at hillbill. (s)he always frames the debate. (s)he framed the one we're having for God's sake. we can do that too, you know?

[Kade]

brandonyates, As I said, from what I can tell, Alex Jones' good ideas are mixed up with as many questionable ideas as the good Rev's, if not more, and Ron has no problem allying with him.

And regarding the Rev's "racism", most of the stuff that I've read and heard has been merely accurate and not racist. My biggest problem with the Rev. is his collectivist views regarding the U.S. as a whole more than racial collectivism, but that's a big problem throughout the right, center, and left sides of a potential Anti-Imperialist League.

That's very fair minded approach.

Reverend Wright is relatively accurate, albeit his sound clips make him look angry.

I don't think the man is racist, or nearly as bad as say, Hagee...

[UKLooney]

Divide and conquer is their tactic. Wake up...

[Aratus]

"mark twain" ... is two words!

[polomertz]

I think it would be great if he spoke at our march. A lot of his views - especially about U.S. Foreign Policy are right in line with ours.

Also the irony of that would just be too good.

[Drknows]

I think it would be great if he spoke at our march. A lot of his views - especially about U.S. Foreign Policy are right in line with ours.

Also the irony of that would just be too good.

Have you lost your mind?

Black theology is reverse racism it's no different than the KKK.

[SeanEdwards]

**adjusting tin foil hat**


animal viruses cant jump species, as we are being told they did.....viruses cant jump species unless they are engineered to do so.....


This is factually incorrect. Animal viruses can and do cross species without human meddling. Many microorganisms can infect different species without any genetic differentiation at all.

In fact, most pathogenic organisms that afflict humanity arose from close association with domesticated animals. That's how Europeans became exposed to smallpox, and why native Americans had little resistance to the virus when they encountered Europeans. And that's why people are so scared of Avian influenza. If it mutates in a human host into an easily transmittable form then we'll see a global epidimic along the lines of the black death, but worse.

[SeanEdwards]

Regarding Rev Wright, I think the notion of forming an anti-imperialist alliance is a fantastic idea. I think there is a lot of common ground in the rhetoric of Paul and Wright. I don't find Wright to be anywhere close to Alex Jones in terms of psychotic paranoia baggage. I also think the OP's point about how this alliance could do a lot to mitigate Paul's exposed flank as a racist (thanks a lot Lew, ya prick) makes a helluva lot of sense.

The rev has collectivist baggage, sure. But so what? Mainstream discourse in America is overwhelmingly collectivist. I think there's definetely room under a "restore the republic" tent for both Wright and Paul. (But Alex Jones can fuck right off, imo)

[Aratus]

reverend wright now thinks obama's chief of staff is freezing him out rather deliberately...