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Krazy_Tako
05-05-2008, 10:54 AM
I have been really discouraged about ron pauls winning. I found this on a website about why ron cant win. I copy and pasted all of it so its quoted. it makes me really wounder:

"It always perturbed me that the wide variety of neocon commentators on television regularly pronounce with such fury and unison that Ron Paul "canít win" but never give any reasons why he couldnít win the presidential race.

At first, I assumed that these guys would be denying he had a chance up until and including Ron Paulís inauguration day. And why shouldnít I assume that? The pundits probably donít give any reasons he canít win, I thought, because there arenít any.

Then I thought more deeply, and found that there are plenty of reasons why Ron Paul canít be elected. Here are the ten top reasons why Ron Paul canít win, in the format of David Lettermanís Top Ten List. My logic is flawless. As Bill OíReilly would say, "you canít even argue it."

10. Ron Paul is too popular among people who know where he stands. Instant polling numbers among focus groups watching the debates have his popularity at about 75 percent. But Americans donít vote for people who are that popular. Itís true that George W. Bush got a little more than 50 percent of the vote in 2004 Ė just barely Ė but that was a fluke. Bushís popularity numbers have since sunk back to the traditional 25Ė35 percent range. Before 2004, not one of the winners in the last three Presidential campaigns even got 50 percent of the vote. Dubya didnít even win a plurality of the popular vote in 2000. So itís a clear modern precedent that in order to become President, you need to be unpopular rather than widely popular. Ron Paul simply canít win if he remains that popular, and thereís no reason to believe people will begin to hate him.

9. Heís got too much money, and nowhere to spend it. Itís great that Ron Paulís official campaign is raising nearly as much money as the frontrunners. But it wonít do him any good. What would he spend it on? He doesnít need to spend it on local campaigning, because heís already got more than 700 Meetups across the country. (More on that in reason #8). Many of these Meetups are printing bumper stickers, fliers, and yard signs without money from the campaign. They are creating phone banks on their own. A few are even making their own media advertising buys. Therefore, the campaign doesnít need money for any of these things. So the massive Ron Paul campaign fundraising, while impressive, is superfluous at best. Money simply wonít help.

8. Ron Paul is cheating by harnessing the fervor of an army of volunteers, rather than the method pursued by the other candidates Ė who must pay a huge campaign staff to get their message out. Itís not fair that Ron Paul has excited volunteers who will spend their own money to get him elected, while the other candidates have to pay lots of people salaries to work for their campaigns. So donít think that the other candidates wonít cry "foul" when they notice that most of Ron Paulís campaign contributions are "off the books" in these Meetups. Collectively, the Meetups may be spending more money than the frontrunner campaigns. I noticed this myself recently when I attended a Ron Paul Meetup in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. I got handed a wad of Ron Paul bumper stickers from a guy who printed them up himself. Others passed me self-printed fliers and lapel stickers while the whole group passed the hat to print road signs on their own. Do you really think these expenditures were sent in to the Federal Election Commission as a campaign contribution? I doubt it. "We need a campaign Ďfairness doctrineí to level the playing field," the other candidates will argue, quite possibly to great effect.

7. Ron Paul tells the truth. Ron Paul has a 20-year career in Congress of always voting the way heís promised, even sometimes on positions that could hurt him politically (See reason #5 for more on this). Heís honest even when it hurts him, and thatís great. But letís face it, Americans long ago tired of electing honest presidents. They very much prefer presidents who will lie to us "for your own good." This explains why they elected George "Read my lips, no new taxes" Bush, Bill "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Clinton, and most recently, George "Law enforcement officers need a federal judge's permission to wiretap a foreign terrorist's phone" Bush. Need I elaborate more? The American people long ago tired of honesty! Honesty just doesnít sell.

6. Heís for lower spending AND lower taxes. Most Americans want lower taxes, so Ron Paulís halfway there, but they donít want to cut spending. Americans want a candidate who talks about lower spending but actually increases spending. This explains the Bill "the era of big government is over" Clinton and George "compassionate conservative" Bush presidencies. Of course, Americans also want balanced budgets Ö and Ron Paulís philosophy would give them both lower taxes and a balanced budget. But I still think the American people would settle for another candidate who promises to enact a balanced budget precisely four years after the end of his last term Ė four years after any influence he has over spending ends.

5. Ron Paul is a man of principle. Ron Paul is known for voting against pork even for his own congressional district. He voted against the Iraq war even when the American people were backing it in polling by three-to-one margins. Heís the "1" in more 434-1 votes than all of the rest of the members of the U.S. House of Representatives put together. He doesnít take congressional pay raises or participate in the generous congressional pension system. While that might lead some people to think it would attract voters to his candidacy, it actually hurts him. Despite the fact that his campaign rallies regularly draw more supporters than any other candidate, these huge crowds have made him a very, very lonely man. Crowds are isolating psychological phenomena. Getting the biggest crowds at rallies only exaggerates the loneliness that people always have in crowds. Psychologically speaking, he canít take any more of the loneliness of those crowds. No one could. Thatís why the other candidates have limited themselves to smaller crowds of mostly salaried campaign officials and government employees.

4. Ron Paul has peaked. He wins first or second place in all of the online polls, so his expectations have been raised too high for him to win a primary. Ron Paul has already lost the expectations game, unless he can somehow pull out 274.8 percent or more of the total vote in the Iowa primary. Iím no mathematical expert, but my accountant tells me itís mathematically impossible for Ron Paul to pull in that kind of a vote.

3. Heís been against the Iraq war from the start. You might think that taking a position against the Iraq war from the start would help a candidate in a campaign where the American people oppose the war by a two-to-one margin or more. But the truth is, the American people donít want a know-it-all candidate who has demonstrated foresight. They want a dumb bumbler that they can make fun of; itís the same social phenomena that caused people to watch the old Jerry Springer show. They want a president who canít pronounce "nuclear," preferably one who physically resembles a simian.

Also, and perhaps more importantly, the troops are about to pull out a dramatic victory from Iraq. Not with the current surge, but with the post-surge surge. The fact that Ron Paul is raking in more campaign contributions from veterans than any other candidate should not be taken as a sign that the troops want out of there. The troops arenít voting with their wallets, theyíre just getting tanned, rested and ready for the final surge. The campaign contributions are a diversional maneuver designed to draw out al Qaeda fighters, and those weapons of mass destruction Sean Hannity says were secretly stored in Syria. The post-surge surge will also expose the mystery behind Area 51, end world hunger and cure male-pattern baldness. This issue will be a loser for any anti-war candidate in short order. Just wait and see.

2. Ron Paulís a medical doctor, OB/GYN, and a graduate of Duke Medical School, but not a government health care management professional. Therefore, no American could possibly take him seriously when he gives his opinion on medicine. Itís a good thing that Dr. Paul has not been given an opportunity to comment on any question about health care in any of the Presidential debates, because the other candidatesí expertise on medicine would blow him away. Itís only a matter of time before they embarrass him.

Other candidates like Mitt Romney have experience as part of a "management team" capable of delivering a "wide range of services." Ron Paul has only ensured proper health care for a few thousand individual people. The other candidates know that government policy can deliver much better health care for less cost than country doctors. Take, for example, Bostonís "Big Dig." The Big Dig, the depression of Bostonís central artery, is the largest public works project in history at $15 billion and counting. This could never have been accomplished by the private sector, and the Big Dig construction is almost finished after 10 years and going only 800 percent over budget. Itís true the Big Dig has already killed a motorist who was crushed by the falling three-ton concrete blocks used as ceiling tiles. (How could anyone possibly have foreseen such an outcome from an innovative design of precariously fastening concrete ceiling tiles?) But the truth is that we need government to bring the same cost controls and safety controls of the Big Dig to health care. Ron Paul just doesnít understand this vital macroeconomic point.

1. George Stephanopoulos says Ron Paul canít win. George Stephanopoulos may only stand nine inches tall without television camera tricks, but thatís because heís the only documented Greek Leprechaun in modern history. He therefore wields powerful clairvoyance powers that can shape the future. That explains Bill Clintonís election and reelection over the seemingly unstoppable Bob Dole. If you donít have George Stephanopoulos on your side, your cause is hopeless. Fortunately for Boston Red Sox fans, Stephanopoulos withdrew his longstanding "The Red Sox can never win the World Series" edict in October 2004.

Letís face it, the evidence against a Ron Paul victory is overwhelming. Dr. Paul will never be the "front-Ron-ner." At least, not until he takes his oath of office at his inauguration.

August 21, 2007"



is this true? i mean are the things presented here accurate? I also agree with his point on #9. I havent seen many or at all Ron Paul T.V. or radio advertisements at all. why isnt he spending it? he needs to get his message out there and needs to be heard. I dont seen the logic behind not having any advertisements that are aimed towards the mainstream. I really really really hope ROn has a chance but its starting to seem...........inevitable? what do you think?

yongrel
05-05-2008, 10:54 AM
Obvious troll is obvious.

The One
05-05-2008, 10:56 AM
I hate it when I loss my car keys. Lossing things really sucks.

MozoVote
05-05-2008, 10:58 AM
http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/images/2006/02/Troll.jpg

JK/SEA
05-05-2008, 11:04 AM
Lossing Hope?...isn't that a new rock band from Sweden?

pinkmandy
05-05-2008, 11:09 AM
Welcome to the board. Thank you for showing us the way- if it weren't for you we would all probably continue wasting our time by supporting Ron Paul and his ideas. You saved us! Woot for John McCain! More war! More debt! Unity people!!! :rolleyes:

Kotin
05-05-2008, 11:12 AM
trolls in the morning, trolls in the evening, and trolls at supper time.





;)

ronpaulhawaii
05-05-2008, 11:12 AM
I am moving this to "bad media reporting" for obvious reasons.

OP, best to include sources here. I imagine you already have a thick skin

Danke
05-05-2008, 11:19 AM
Is it just me, but isn't the writer just trying to be funny? Still pretty stupid, though.

Chester Copperpot
05-05-2008, 11:22 AM
Obvious troll is obvious.

You know.. I lost all hope for Ron Paul to win.. But now seeing this obvious troll.. There must be a reason the special interest is worried about Ron Paul to have trollers still on the forums.. that means Ron Paul HAS A CHANCE afterall.

THank you mr. troll.

HAHA!

The One
05-05-2008, 11:22 AM
Is it just me, but isn't the writer just trying to be funny? Still pretty stupid, though.

I confess to not reading the OP.

FreeTraveler
05-05-2008, 11:36 AM
Funniest Troll Post Ever!

acptulsa
05-05-2008, 11:49 AM
Well, I hope that poster is an official McCain troll. Since the quoted article argues the case for Dr. Paul from start to finish, having it posted here by a McCain troll just indicates that they are so stupid they can't tell sarcasm from sardines.

That's bound to tell on them sooner or later--even with those voters who are so stupid they can't tell sarcasm from sardines.

voytechs
05-05-2008, 11:51 AM
To lift up your spirits. Read this article and you will have a whole new perspective.

The Ron Paul Strategy:
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3679.html

LittleLightShining
05-05-2008, 12:20 PM
Well, I hope that poster is an official McCain troll. Since the quoted article argues the case for Dr. Paul from start to finish, having it posted here by a McCain troll just indicates that they are so stupid they can't tell sarcasm from sardines.

That's bound to tell on them sooner or later--even with those voters who are so stupid they can't tell sarcasm from sardines.Yeah, I didn't see the OP as being particularly hopeloss myself. It was more like a lament about the stupidity of the majority of Republican voters and a tribute to Ron Paul.

asgardshill
05-05-2008, 12:24 PM
Hey, Krazy_Tako, if you're this bummed out about Ron Paul's chances, there's always suicide to consider.

And remember, slash your wrists PARALLEL to your veins; NEVER slash across. Only amateurs, little wussies, and those who are just crying out for help slash across. Slashing across makes it too easy for an ER doc to repair your work.

And always leave a note. It would be the maraschino cherry on top of the hot fudge sundae of your pointless and pathetic life if you offed yourself and couldn't even remember to tell anybody why. Not that we would really care anyway, but the job ain't finished till the paperwork is done.

Here's some additional resources for you to peruse if you're truly interested in doing it right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods

http://www.a1b2c3.com/suilodge/metfun1.htm

http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/

Good luck! And if you change your mind and choose life, castrate yourself at the very least so that there's no chance of you inflicting any of your progeny on the world.

soapmistress
05-05-2008, 12:37 PM
Is lossing hope better than lopping hose?

acptulsa
05-05-2008, 12:41 PM
Is lossing hope better than lopping hose?

You stay away from my hose!

DrAmy31415
05-05-2008, 01:10 PM
Yeah, I didn't see the OP as being particularly hopeloss myself.

Yer funny.

DrAmy31415
05-05-2008, 01:11 PM
Is lossing hope better than lopping hose?

Lorena?

yongrel
05-05-2008, 01:34 PM
Lorena?

http://www.crimelibrary.com/graphics/photos/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/severed_penis/2-1-Lorena-Bobbitt-after-re.jpg

soapmistress
05-05-2008, 01:50 PM
Tonight at 11...

Will Lorena endorse presidential candidate Ron Paul, or side instead with the castration of freedom? Stay tuned as we investigate...

satchelmcqueen
05-05-2008, 05:49 PM
get this crap off of here.

Highland
05-05-2008, 06:17 PM
The dude is the one post wonder! Sure your not fishing for McCain Votes....he'll go hungry on this fishing hole!lololo

countrykidz4freedom
05-05-2008, 10:54 PM
Krazy_Tako
Thanks for your post, every time I read a post like that, instead of being discouraged, I am more encouraged than ever. Guess I am the crazy one LOL. Seriously, Ron Paul is winning, more day by day-if you can't see it, I feel sorry for you, because you are missing out. This is more than about the presidential election, although that is an important part, also. I have had so many people ask me, why did Ron Paul start running for presidency if it isn't all about winning the presidency for him? This man is brilliantly smart-he knew the best possible way to help people awaken from their apathy, and he is doing it more and more. I am so excited to see him gaining, even when there is news of "defeat", I still see it as VICTORY!!! Ron Paul has inspired me so much, & I just can't think of anyone else who would be a better leader for our country-someone to restore America to her greatness. He will make a great president-what a shining example he has been for all of us!!!:)

countrykidz4freedom
05-05-2008, 11:13 PM
Letís face it, the evidence against a Ron Paul victory is overwhelming. Dr. Paul will never be the "front-Ron-ner." At least, not until he takes his oath of office at his inauguration.

This statement was at the end of the comments on the original post-I missed it the first time I read it, but reading again, spotted it-it actually indicates HE WILL WIN!!!!

Thanks again for bringing us that (not so hidden) message of HOPE!!!GO RON PAUL!!! WE ARE WINNING!!!:);):);):):D