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CapitalistRadical
05-04-2008, 02:39 PM
Here's a blog post (http://wwsword.blogspot.com/2008/05/ron-paul-is-anti-individual-liberty.html) criticizing Ron Paul from a novel direction:


One of the biggest myths this campaign season is that Ron Paul is a "strict constitutionalist" who advocates "much less federal involvement in citizens' lives," (this language coming from a standard news story out today). Moreover, the corporate media has pinned the label "libertarian" to Paul.

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The myth that Paul is a constitutionalist and a libertarian has been largely constructed and perpetuated by a corporate media that has demonstrated a reckless disregard for the truth.

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Life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness take priority over property. This principle is fundamental to libertarianism. This is why Paul is not a libertarian.



Has anybody heard of Libertarianism like this before?

0zzy
05-04-2008, 02:51 PM
idiot.

Kludge
05-04-2008, 03:18 PM
Has anybody heard of Libertarianism like this before?

"Life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness take priority over property."

Is that a fucking joke? .... Anyways, there are many different flavors of libertarianism, as seen HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism)

angelatc
05-04-2008, 04:25 PM
I do appreciate the fact that several folks are leaving comments. I think he has liberalism confused with libertarianism.

DriftWood
05-05-2008, 12:39 AM
"Life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness take priority over property."

Is that a fucking joke? .... Anyways, there are many different flavors of libertarianism, as seen HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism)

That "pursuit of happiness" part always confuses people. People read all kinds of socialist ideas into it. I think it would have been less confusing to have had it read:

"Life, liberty and prosperity"

or

"Life, liberty and property"

That would be harder for people to get confused about.

Cheers

devil21
05-05-2008, 03:11 AM
Screw all that Libertarian crap. The most bizzare part is that Paul was perpetrated as anything by corporate media at all. He barely gets any coverage.

FindLiberty
05-05-2008, 03:24 AM
Moonbat?

NH4RonPaul
05-05-2008, 07:26 AM
Here's a blog post (http://wwsword.blogspot.com/2008/05/ron-paul-is-anti-individual-liberty.html) criticizing Ron Paul from a novel direction:



Has anybody heard of Libertarianism like this before?

Yes it's called LIBERALISM and any libertarian who tells you this crap is FAKE.
They are going to defend the common property rights thing...and denigrate private property.

He is really a liberal because he feels that the government has the right to take away something from you to give it to someone else in the name of 'liberty'.

Bah!

DriftWood
05-06-2008, 07:26 AM
Yes it's called LIBERALISM and any libertarian who tells you this crap is FAKE.
They are going to defend the common property rights thing...and denigrate private property.

He is really a liberal because he feels that the government has the right to take away something from you to give it to someone else in the name of 'liberty'.

Bah!

Abit off topic but the original (european) meaning of the word liberal is just about the opposite of what it means in america today. It meant noneintervention by the state into the economy and peoples lives. (The classic "Road to Serfdom" has a discussion about this). In a sense conservative and liberal mean the same things or different things depending on who you ask. Its all very confusing.

In the end there are only statists and there are individualists.

Cheers

ARealConservative
05-06-2008, 07:39 AM
Here's a blog post (http://wwsword.blogspot.com/2008/05/ron-paul-is-anti-individual-liberty.html) criticizing Ron Paul from a novel direction:



Has anybody heard of Libertarianism like this before?

It's BS. All rights derive from property. Your life is your property.

driller80545
05-06-2008, 07:52 AM
Haha, how do you convert someone like this.

BagOfEyebrows
05-13-2008, 05:53 AM
That "pursuit of happiness" part always confuses people. People read all kinds of socialist ideas into it. I think it would have been less confusing to have had it read:

"Life, liberty and prosperity"

or

"Life, liberty and property"

That would be harder for people to get confused about.

Cheers

many state constitutions do have 'property' as part of the rights... it's only in the Federal Constitution that it got stripped out of the Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness part - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:State_constitutions_of_the_United_States

New Hampshire State Constitution: All men have certain natural, essential, and inherent rights - among which are, the enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing, and protecting, property; and, in a word, of seeking and obtaining happiness. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by this state on account of race, creed, color, sex or national origin.

Massachusetts State Constitution: Article I. All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.


I like the wording of 'seeking and obtaining' happiness, rather than being on a never-ending pursuit of it... as Federal government would have it.

idiom
05-13-2008, 06:17 AM
The fact that he believes states have rights shows us more clearly than anything could that he is an anti-constitutionalist.

States don't have rights. Individuals have rights. The federal bill of rights protects individuals from the tyranny of state governments. Paul doesn't believe the bill of rights exists for this reason.

The truth is that no presidential candidate running in this election seasons has a poorer grasp of the Constitution than does Ron Paul.

The Constitution protects the States from the Fed as well as individuals.

CapitalistRadical
05-13-2008, 10:44 AM
Well, the fellow's written a post titled "A True Libertarian is Anti-Capitalist" (http://wwsword.blogspot.com/2008/05/true-libertarian-is-anti-capitalist.html). He's beyond hope.