What is the biggest hinderance to Ron Paul?

[dude58677]

A) GOP
B) Media
C) Stupidity of American people

[evilfunnystuff]

A) GOP
B) Media
C) Stupidity of American people

correct

[dude58677]

correct

I know they are all a hinderance, but what is the biggest?

[smartguy911]

what about personality? his style of talking?

[dude58677]

what about personality? his style of talking?

His speaking is one of his best assets, it is passionate and sincere.

[evilfunnystuff]

its hard for me to see them as separate reasons as much as they are intertwined

had any 1 of them not been wrapped up in each other we would have garnered much more attention and support

[Verad]

His speaking is one of his best assets, it is passionate and sincere.

Unfortunately, he cannot speak in platitudes and sound bites digestible by the average American ear. Also, some of topics he speaks on are very deep subjects that really require hours of thought to understand.

[Edit]I know this speaks to his integrity, but the way the media structures political debate between ideas, and the way the average American decides who to vote for, his ideas are easily lost on the average voter.

[nate895]

B for sure

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

This is a tough one. I would have to say GOP, at least for now, as the media phase of the campaign is in more of a lull.

The GOP is hindering us at the higher level state conventions. Whenever we show the least sign of success, they'll break their own rules or even shut down their own convention to prevent even half their state delegates to the national convention being Ron Paul supporters. The party is utterly rotten to the core.

[constituent]

9/11 Truthers. I thought everyone knew that already.

[VoteForRonPaul]

A) GOP
B) Media
C) Stupidity of American people

The national campaign! No doubt about it!

[Pete]

B, and one of my greatest desires is to see today's big boys begging to be allowed into a Ron Paul WH press conference.

[VoteForRonPaul]

For all those who say B, B is a private property, so enough blaming private properties for the failure of Ron Paul's national campaign! This was the worst campaign we can imagine to have.

[AJ Antimony]

D. all of the above

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[nate895]

For all those who say B, B is a private property, so enough blaming private properties for the failure of Ron Paul's national campaign! This was the worst campaign we can imagine to have.

You have to admit though that we didn't give them any money until the very last second. If they'd have gotten the money in the 1st or 2nd quarter, things would be different. They'd have gotten media attention for winning or at least showing in the "money primaries" and they'd have been criticized if they didn't use it effectively. Remember when McCain blew his money? The same thing would have happened to the Ron Paul campaign if they'd have blown it the way they did if we gave them the money after the first debates.

[ItsTime]

"Truth is Treason in an Empire of Lies"

[Joseph Hart]

I will say McCain.

[Live Free or Die]

9/11 Truthers. I thought everyone knew that already.

Ayuh, I wondered why this wasn't an option. Good thing this wasn't a "poll."

[VoteForRonPaul]

You have to admit though that we didn't give them any money until the very last second. If they'd have gotten the money in the 1st or 2nd quarter, things would be different. They'd have gotten media attention for winning or at least showing in the "money primaries" and they'd have been criticized if they didn't use it effectively. Remember when McCain blew his money? The same thing would have happened to the Ron Paul campaign if they'd have blown it the way they did if we gave them the money after the first debates.
The question is what they have done when they got the money? Why they do not fight to the last minute with john McCain? I was not there the first quarter nor alot of the supporters were. If they utilized the money wisely and if they kept energizing the
the grassroots the situation would be totally different right now. Now Ron Paul is out no argument about it. If you try to convince a voter he is still in he might think you are insane. And that is because of this idiotic campaign that does no effort to advertise for its candidate. Now they have the money and what they are doing with it?

[PennCustom4RP]

its hard for me to see them as separate reasons as much as they are intertwined

had any 1 of them not been wrapped up in each other we would have garnered much more attention and support

This is it exactly, but think it is mostly the GOP, if they supported RP, the media would report and support, and the Sheeple would be spoon fed this message, and be accepting and follow...as sheeple do...

[nate895]

The question is what they have done when they got the money? Why they do not fight to the last minute with john McCain? I was not there the first quarter nor alot of the supporters were. If they utilized the money wisely and if they kept energizing the
the grassroots the situation would be totally different right now. Now Ron Paul is out no argument about it. If you try to convince a voter he is still in he might think you are insane. And that is because of this idiotic campaign that does no effort to advertise for its candidate. Now they have the money and what they are doing with it?

They've spent most of it. 36 million dollars is nothing in a campaign for President. 36 million dollars is and OK amount if you're someone like Huckabee since you're the media darling, but Ron Paul will never be the media darling if he isn't kicking ass and taking names, smiling the whole time for the camera. In order to kick ass and take names you need either media or money to get media. He arrived a day late and a dollar short when it came to both.

[Unspun]

Unfortunately, he cannot speak in platitudes and sound bites digestible by the average American ear. Also, some of topics he speaks on are very deep subjects that really require hours of thought to understand.

I'd think that'd fit under option C).

[brandon]

teh j00s

[smartguy911]

teh j00s

i have to say folks like u are the biggest hinderance

[yaz]

C. today someone told me that Ron Paul doesn't sound honest and this person said she is good at detecting those kind of things.

[H Roark]

del

[Kludge]

A) Terrible advertisements. ("I'm Ron Paul. I want to eliminate the income tax and replace it... with nothing." No explanation)

B) Whackjob supporters (No, I'm not speaking to truthers.... exclusively)

C) Dr. Paul isn't built for these politically correct, non-issue debates. He's performed poorly at almost all of them.

D) Dr. Paul isn't built for these politically correct, non-issue media corporations.

[rprprs]

All the choices offered in the OP played a significant role, as did other factors.
But if I had to single out one as being the most egregious, B takes it.

[Akus]

A) GOP
B) Media
C) Stupidity of American people

out of the above listed, GOP.... with media coming very close second

[dvdrink]

The GOP is the biggest hindrance. And if you think they're going to allow us to have any say at the convention, you're fooling yourself.

The sooner we go Libertarian the better folks.

[nate895]

The GOP is the biggest hindrance. And if you think they're going to allow us to have any say at the convention, you're fooling yourself.

The sooner we go Libertarian the better folks.

If we go 3rd party, we have to combine the LP, CP, with conservative Republicans and conservative Independents. To do only LP is to commit electoral suicide.

[dvdrink]

Agreed on that. Even if there are some platform differences, breaking through the 2-party monopoly in support of a freedom-based philosophy would be well worth it.

[Kludge]

If we go 3rd party, we have to combine the LP, CP, with conservative Republicans and conservative Independents. To do only LP is to commit electoral suicide.

Impossible. CP and LP would never merge - ever.

[flames2dust77]

It's all of those. But the media did play a big role in screwing him over.

Someone mentioned his speaking ability....the way he speaks is one reason I decided to learn more about him back in June of last year. He is unrehearsed and speaks from the heart. During debates...you never saw him looking down at notes when he was asked a question. He's real...and I saw that, like many others have.

[revolutionary8]

correct
lol.
that stuff is a bit evil, but funny too.
and true.
:D

okay, okay, I can't help it--
I must have faith in the American People. There is no where left to run, and freedom is in our blood. Many other countries have been born in to slavery, but we have been tricked in to thinking we were born free as in Elsa.
Life is but a dream.
When many Americans wake up, they will be angry. It is just a matter of beating the machine.

[wowabunga]

A) GOP ( they steal elections they don't give them away... we knew that... )

B) Media ( after a month or two of the media black out we've failed to field counter solutions )

C) Stupidity of American people ( Jefferson says we need to educate the citizens... wishing blame here advances nothing )

As a wise sage once said; "There are no problems only solutions". So stop with the excuses and move your arse.

Myself I'm making fliers and handing them out to local activists when they come to the state capitol near my home. In the past two months I've met with the local "2nd Amendment Rights Group, Motorcycle Rights Group, Local Tree Huggers, and Peace Nicks. Last week I rented a booth at Earth Day and had one heck of a positive response.

[Dave39168]

Summer through super tuesday it was B) the media
Now with convention season its A) the GOP
C) is a factor but with many people its not stupidity its ignorance. They are working to much overtime to try to keep up with inflation so they don't have time to learn the facts. Stupidity might cause people to support the socialist dems, but ignorance and fear is mostly what earns McCain support.

[Penners]

d) = all of the above

[ProBlue33]

Those that say truthers, are clueless, truthers know that American foriegn policy is screwed up because of 9/11, thats why they support Ron Paul, he is the only man that could come close to trying to reverse it.
9/11 was done to allow America to police the world against terrorism, it has succeded. And justify new laws against it's own people.
But thats on the backburner now for me, as one of my friends said to me not long ago, he agrees with it (9/11 CT) but there is really nothing we can do.
So I hope that within my lifetime, justice is served to the real poeple who did 9/11.
For now knowing the truth is good enough for me, I don't bring it up, unless someone else does first, there is no point anymore.

As for what hurt Ron Paul the most, it must be GOP itself, they never wanted him and blocked him and made fun of him at every turn. Now look at the games that are being played at the state conventions. For example the Nevada GOP would rather have no delegates than send Ron Paul GOP delegates, pathetic. If they run that over and over again at the state level, what can you do? They will do anything to stop the 5 states Paul needs to bust the National convention wide open. They know what they are doing.

[Kludge]

Those that say truthers, are clueless, truthers know that American foriegn policy is screwed up because of 9/11, thats why they support Ron Paul, he is the only man that could come close to trying to reverse it.

American foreign policy is screwed up because American foreign policy is screwed up (policymakers). We've policed the world for many years, leading to retardedly useless events such as the Iranian hostage situation, Bay of Pigs "invasion", Panamanian Canal incident - to name a few. This isn't anything new. Statism has been around since the "government" was formed.

[jkm1864]

American idiots are the # 1 problem. I think about 10% of the people in this country are naturally inquisitive and look for the answers while the rest sit around watching American Idol & football. I for one am always looking for what I perceive as the truth whether its in the Bible or the internet. I work on a vessel which is a small community and I would say out of 60 to 70 people only 3 people have a grasp of what is happening while the rest just don't care about anything unless its nascar or the NFL.

[ProBlue33]

American foreign policy is screwed up because American foreign policy is screwed up (policymakers). We've policed the world for many years, leading to retardedly useless events such as the Iranian hostage situation, Bay of Pigs "invasion", Panamanian Canal incident - to name a few. This isn't anything new. Statism has been around since the "government" was formed.

I know that, but 9/11 allowed them to take to the next step with justification, remember Bush's ultimatium "your either with us or against us", they could have never gotten away with that before 9/11.

[constituent]

I know that, but 9/11 allowed them to take to the next step with justification, remember Bush's ultimatium "your either with us or against us", they could have never gotten away with that before 9/11.

take comfort... i was the first "9/11 truthers" post in this thread and i was being sarcastic.

[szczebrzeszyn]

American idiots are the # 1 problem. I think about 10% of the people in this country are naturally inquisitive and look for the answers while the rest sit around watching American Idol & football.

That's a worldwide problem, unfortunately... MSM has been dumbing down people pretty successfully.

[OptionsTrader]

An American people that forgot what the constitution is meant to accomplish, and the unsavory men that took advantage and nursed their ignorance and apathy.