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mkeller
05-03-2008, 11:30 AM
Is it possible?

I've told them about how un-Constitutional it is, but they say that the Constitution was written back in the 1700s, before there were terrorists and suicide bombers and things, and that it's outdated.

They say that the PATRIOT Act is for our own good, that the government only spies on people they suspect, and that our personal privacy from the government isn't worth six thousand American lives (after all, they have nothing to hide).

What to say to people like that?

Kotin
05-03-2008, 11:32 AM
if you give government the power to solve all your problems, then they also have the power to be your worst nightmare and take away whatever they want.

Zippyjuan
05-03-2008, 11:35 AM
The things they said they wanted the Patriot Act for- the ability to tap telephone conversations for example- they already had the power to do. What they did not like is that they had to get permission to be able to do so (if it was urgent, they could do the tap and request permission later so that was not an excuse either). What the Patriot Act did was to remove oversight increasing the possiblity of inapropriate use such as monitoring political opponents instead of suspected terrorists. They did not need the Patriot Act to monitor people.

nate895
05-03-2008, 11:43 AM
Get one of those programs that is able to see who has accessed your computer device, and show them that the DoD has accessed their computer.

constituent
05-03-2008, 01:21 PM
break into their house and photograph their stuff. make a fake portfolio kinda thing on them... include notes about members of their family, groups they're a member of, magazines they subscribe to (check their web browser history), websites they visit, (find a phone bill) who they call, the pictures of the items you collected and a whole bunch of other random crap.

then steal their trash for a few weeks... make notes on the contents to include in the folder

mail them the portfolio and when they contact you to ask about it say, "hey, at least i informed you later, that's more than you can say for the fbi."