NV State Senator Bob Beers at Las Vegas Ron Paul Meetup

[Voodoo]

This is your chance to get it straight from the guy who was running the show in Reno.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=032972

If it's at all possible, there will be streaming video of the meeting. 6:30 pm Pacific

[puppetmaster]

This is your chance to get it straight from the guy who was running the show in Reno.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=032972

If it's at all possible, there will be streaming video of the meeting. 6:30 pm Pacific


hmm.....He is trying to kiss ass to further his Gov bid.....
Ask him why the hell we have not reconviened.....

[speciallyblend]

OOOO NO YOU DIDNT;) sweet,look forward to this live feed... thanks voodoo

[torchbearer]

hmm.....He is trying to kiss ass to further his Gov bid.....
Ask him why the hell we have not reconviened.....

Give him a deal.
All National Delegates go to Ron Paul.
You walk out of here alive.

[Jeremy]

Give him a deal.
All National Delegates go to Ron Paul.
You walk out of here alive.

lol, thats bribing :rolleyes:




actually it's threatening :o

[torchbearer]

lol, thats bribing :rolleyes:




actually it's threatening :o

It's a great deal if you ask me.
Our country's life for his.
Its a WIN - WIN.

[speciallyblend]

bump and keep this up for all members this is gonna be good stuff i would bet , a live feed;)

[Rhys]

talk about grassroots power. Ive never seen something like this.... a peace deal between a state senator/state gop chair... and a meetup group.

[torchbearer]

bump and keep this up for all members this is gonna be good stuff i would bet , a live feed;)

Anyone setup to capture a live feed?
Isn't there a program called VLC or something that can capture live streams??
We need this recorded, becaue every word needs to be analyzed, and his words will be used against him in a court of law...beeotch!

so- who has the VLC thing and knows how to use it?

[puppetmaster]

remember they are looking for any reason to set us up also.....stay cool!!

[acroso]

The hand that feeds!

How do we know that article is talking about a RP meetup tho?

[torchbearer]

remember they are looking for any reason to set us up also.....stay cool!!

but keep one hand on your gun. This show down might get dirty.

http://www.usafmtia.org/Squadron%20Folders/TheYoungGuns06.jpg

[torchbearer]

Now who knows how to capture this stream? :)

[constituent]

actually it's threatening :o

or generosity.

[Phantom]

torchbearer
Now who knows how to capture this stream?

Give me the link for the stream and I will try and capture it and shove it on youtube.

[torchbearer]

torchbearer

Give me the link for the stream and I will try and capture it and shove it on youtube.

I'm assuming it will be streamed from this website: http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=032972

don't have a direct link yet.

[Voodoo]

I'm assuming it will be streamed from this website: http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=032972

don't have a direct link yet.

Aye. When I'm set up and running the link to the viewer will magically appear on that page (and this thread). ;-)

We will be recording it for playback, also, but feel free to capture and distribute widely.

[Hook]

Give him a deal.
All National Delegates go to Ron Paul.
You walk out of here alive.

A deal he can't refuse!

[MozoVote]

This is a fascinating development.

Bob Beers must have at least some political acumen... He should know by know, that he's being vilified *nationally* in e-mails and the blogsphere, and that the NVGOP is being openly laughed at for it's ham-handed performance last week.

There may already be some "blowback" on him from the NVGOP leadership, to get the "RP rabble" to calm down before re-convention. I'm sure they don't like looking like clowns in the mainstream press!

[acroso]

If anyone notices the audo\video working please post and let us know

[speciallyblend]

This is a fascinating development.

Bob Beers must have at least some political acumen... He should know by know, that he's being vilified *nationally* in e-mails and the blogsphere, and that the NVGOP is being openly laughed at for it's ham-handed performance last week.

There may already be some "blowback" on him from the NVGOP leadership, to get the "RP rabble" to calm down before re-convention. I'm sure they don't like looking like clowns in the mainstream press!

I suspect we will win the same majority we were going to get ,but i cant see the nv ron paul republicans settling for less. especially after the actions of the gop.

[surf]

Give the guy the benefit of the doubt - let him know what he needs to do to gain our support - maybe he has realized that freedom is important.

it just takes some people longer than others to realize this. oh, and rather than swapping delegates for agreeing not to beat the shit out him (extortion) - offer support if he can convince you that he sincerely is worthy.

[acroso]

He'll probably try to talk the Paul supporters into some sort of deal.

What should happen is they should go to the convention and VOTE on the delegates.

Every time these chairman try to make a deal, it's because they lack the power to do what they want without the Paul people.

Don't even pay attention to what this guy has to say because he probably backs McCain, and McCain deserves no delegates at all.

[Knightskye]

Give him a deal.
All National Delegates go to Ron Paul.
You walk out of here alive.

They would go to Ron Paul if they'd let the delegates finish voting. ;)

[surf]

Get greedy: tell him (and be sincere if you can) that you will support him if you get to choose the "super delegates." as well.

[Brian]

but keep one hand on your gun. This show down might get dirty.

http://www.usafmtia.org/Squadron%20Folders/TheYoungGuns06.jpg

What do the village people have to do with anything?

[TruthAtLast]

I'm ready and waiting to see this. Hell, I'd pay for Pay-Per-View.

If anyone in southern California wants to come over, I'll feed it into the 60" plasma and have have burgers and steak on the grill. Or if you get bored, you can can just sit on the balcony and look at the dolphins trying to knock the surfers off their boards. :D

[MozoVote]

I can say this much for Bob Beers. He probably did not realize what he was stepping into, when he took the convention chairman's spot. The party longtimers have gotten into the mindset, that conventions are mostly ceremonial. He just viewed it as a showcase for hmself. I bet he and many others thought they'd be golfing that evening. :rolleyes:

To actually try and manage rival factions, and really perform proper parliamentary duties, may not have been something he was bargaining for. He may wish now, that he hadn't gotten himself into this "mess".

[acroso]

...is there really going to be a stream?

[torchbearer]

What do the village people have to do with anything?

We are all part of the revolution. We are family.

[Gadsden Flag]

Please be civil when you talk to him. We have a bad enough reputation as it is.

Try to surprise him with how courteous we can be.

[bcreps85]

Be polite and civil, but don't bend. Be convincing. Also, IMO if he tries to make a deal don't take it. If the establishment is willing to wheel and deal it is because we have the upper hand, and if that is the case we should take EVERYTHING, no questions asked.

[JK/SEA]

Think the police will be there?

uh-oh...

[TER]

EVEN IF HE OFFERS A DEAL TO GIVE ALL THE DELEGATES TO RON PAUL, DO NOT TAKE IT!!!!

Be polite, respectful, but firm. The process needs to be completed properly under the rule of the bylaws and the conclusion of the convention must be seen to the end.

We should stand for principle before anything else, even if it means losing a few delegates. This is exactly Ron Paul's message, and we should uphold it.

[Rhys]

EVEN IF HE OFFERS A DEAL TO GIVE ALL THE DELEGATES TO RON PAUL, DO NOT TAKE IT!!!!

Be polite, respectful, but firm. The process needs to be completed properly under the rule of the bylaws and the conclusion of the convention must be seen to the end.

We should stand for principle before anything else, even if it means losing a few delegates. This is exactly Ron Paul's message, and we should uphold it.

principles to the constitution... not party martyrdom

[tonyr1988]

EVEN IF HE OFFERS A DEAL TO GIVE ALL THE DELEGATES TO RON PAUL, DO NOT TAKE IT!!!!

Be polite, respectful, but firm. The process needs to be completed properly under the rule of the bylaws and the conclusion of the convention must be seen to the end.

We should stand for principle before anything else, even if it means losing a few delegates. This is exactly Ron Paul's message, and we should uphold it.

Sorry, I'd have to take that deal...:)

[Phantom]

I just read the headline for this post on the main page of freedomsphoenix.com (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/) and it says, "State Senator Bob Beers is rumored to be attending a meeting of Nevada Republicans this evening in Las Vegas"

So there is no guarantee that he will turn up.

I hope he does because I want to see him squirm.

[MozoVote]

It will be interesting to find out how this went, and what his message is. He may know a few party stalwarts that REALLY want to go to convention.

The possibility of Paulites shutting everyone out with a 2/3 vote may be causing him to sweat for his political future. Even the Non-Paul people would remember this fiasco, and could hold it against him in party executive votes.

[puppetmaster]

Give the guy the benefit of the doubt - let him know what he needs to do to gain our support - maybe he has realized that freedom is important.

it just takes some people longer than others to realize this. oh, and rather than swapping delegates for agreeing not to beat the shit out him (extortion) - offer support if he can convince you that he sincerely is worthy.


He is a politcian...he is beyond sincerity.....even if he says he likes us and wants to have our babies, he LOATHES us and always will. I do know that we are smart enough to know what to do, so I shant worry!

[JustBcuz]

We have LIVE FEED. :)

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=032972

[ClockwiseSpark]

We have LIVE FEED. :)

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=032972

This should be interesting.

[humanic]

We have LIVE FEED. :)

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=032972

This choppy, indistinct chatter has got me on the edge of my seat!! REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Phantom]

I am not seeing any image, only buffering sound.

Anyone else?

[TER]

This choppy, indistinct chatter has got me on the edge of my seat!! REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

[TER]

sounds better. still no picture...

EDIT: now no sound.

[brandon]

I had it for a min, now it says the member is no longer live

[MozoVote]

http://distractiblemind.ambulatorycomputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/windowslivewriteramericandysfunctionalmedicine-f694simpson-duff-beer-internet-homer51.jpg

[brandon]

Is it working for anyone?

[Melissa]

I see nothing nor hear anything

[Yom]

Still not working for me.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Not working.

[JustBcuz]

Bob must have spoke for 2 minutes, and then the contract for the meeting room was up so everyone went home.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Bob must have spoke for 2 minutes, and then the contract for the meeting room was up so everyone went home.

LOL!

[StilesBC]

Perhaps Beers spontaneously combusted at the sight of a copy of the constitution presented by angry Paul supporters.

[JustBcuz]

UPDATE:

(The feed is spotty at best due to the weak WiFi signal in the public library. But Brock is also video taping the event to place here later tonight so you don't miss anything)

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=032972


There's probably too many of us...we done crashed it LoL :)

[brandon]

//

[MozoVote]

We need GHemminger and the billionaire guy... Beers says the delegate list can be released for the bargain price of $10,000 from the GOP.

He said that the credentials committee has the list... that he has not seen it.

[kirkblitz]

got sound

[UtahApocalypse]

We need GHemminger and the billionaire guy... Beers says the delegate list can be released for the bargain price of $10,000 from the GOP.

He said that the credentials committee has the list... that he has not seen it.

is that 10k a joke or should we get a quick money bomb? we could get that much before he even leaves tonights meeting.

[kirkblitz]

video smooth now but we are lookingat peoples asses?

[humanic]

video smooth now but we are lookingat peoples asses?

bonus!

[kirkblitz]

HOLY HELLLLLLLLLLLLL he said they might not reconvenge they are debating it!!!!!!! mail in ballot holy shit....

[MozoVote]

93 viewers now ... Beers does not know when they will reconvene... says it definately will not be in Las Vegas... suggested a mail-in vote and then everyone in the room says NOOOOoooo :D

[kirkblitz]

LOLLLLLLLL wants the RP people to run the NV party in 10 years. what a fucken kiss ass

[MozoVote]

Beers explaining that conventions are run by volunteers, it's expensive, most of the people have 10 years or more of experience, that it's thankless work. I guess trying to gather some sympathy....

[TER]

"I don't know the answer to anything" Senator Beers

[Yom]

is that 10k a joke or should we get a quick money bomb? we could get that much before he even leaves tonights meeting.

Seriously, I missed the beginning of this, is that true?!

[kirkblitz]

o well lost is on the election can wait lol

[MozoVote]

Delegates bringing up district and county convention irregularities up. Beers saying it's pretty much too late for that.

Beers talking about his concerns that attempting a re-convene may not get a quorum, could be a big wasted effort.

He says there does need to be a fair, transparent vote (applause) and that this could be done with a mail in vote (no's and shaking heads)

[TER]

This mail-in proposal is a scam!

[MozoVote]

Beers insisting that a recess does not require a vote. Is a gray area.... no limit to a recess in the rules.

[brandon]

Beers pushing hard for a mail in convention

[MozoVote]

Now pointing out that "historically these conventions end by 5:00" - people had planes to catch, was unreasonable to keep the convention going late into the night.

[torchbearer]

Beers insisting that a recess does not require a vote. Is a gray area.... no limit to a recess in the rules.

Mr. Robert's rules says a recess requires a second, and a majority vote:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2325/2447042326_3e12e89cb2_o.jpg

[TER]

uh oh

[ClockwiseSpark]

Damn it, lost the feed.

[brandon]

feed's down

[MozoVote]

NO MORE BEER!!!! Arrgh!

[JustBcuz]

feed's down

Screw this.

I'm gonna go get dinner; watch this on the utube later tonight.

Thanks For Tryin' VoodooChile :):):)

[TER]

something is developing...

EDIT: lost again...

[MozoVote]

Next time the feed is back up, click the camera icon in the lower right to stop the video... conserve bandwidth for audio

[ClockwiseSpark]

something is developing...

A riot? :p

[Ninja Homer]

Somebody explained the rules of Fight Club to Bob, right?

The feed keeps going down for me... I think I'll wait and enjoy the YouTube. :)

[MozoVote]

To a fair degree, we have our answer though. Beers is not there to cut deals or apologize for anything. He has his side of the story to explain, and he is trying to persuade the Ron Paul contingent to accept an inexpensive conclusion (mail-in) to the convention.

[Gin]

http://www.stickam.com/editMediaComment.do?method=load&mId=179015251

[TER]

The delegates should take a 3 hour recess

[puppetmaster]

no way we need to make everyone show up.....no mail in, to "convienent"

[puppetmaster]

we cannot have a mail in ...the mcinsanes would love this.

[MozoVote]

Turn off the video if you have the feed, click the camera icon in the lower right.

Dang. :) Had it again for a few mins. Sounded like beers was explaining some things about who sits on the credentials committee.

[puppetmaster]

what!! did I hear they want to throw out the previous counts on CD 1 2 3.... NO WAY

[MozoVote]

Yeah Beers said there were some "false ballots on the chairs" and that some people may have crossed over from their district caucuses and voted in the wrong places. Sounds like he was fishing for a reason to invalidate the initial voting. People in the audience were saying you have to finish counting... then I lost the feed... dunno what he said in response

[MozoVote]

If I understand this right, it sounds like an attempt to shake down the Paul bloc to recover expenses for the NVGOP. It sounds like McCain's people paid the $10,000 for the delegate list, and would have an easier time doing a get-out-the-vote by mail.

[UtahApocalypse]

wow it would be so cool to be losing in the 3rd quarter of a game and decide to just start over.

/sarcasm

[puppetmaster]

we need to really look at this carefully. They will try to screw us hard. We need the CD votes to stick---we won 7 out of 9, and get the convention going again....final answer

[puppetmaster]

wow it would be so cool to be losing in the 3rd quarter of a game and decide to just start over.

/sarcasm

thats exactly what they are looking for!!

[MozoVote]

If they invalidate the initial vote, then Beers and the NVGOP are basically admitting they don't know how to run an orderly convention.... or are crooked. Take your pick.

[Alawn]

Mail in = cheat like crazy and nobody will ever know. I am sure that is what will happen. They made it very clear they will do anything to exclude Ron Paul people no matter how many rules they have to break.


The person walking from the counting room took a straight line to State Chairwoman Sue Lowden, leaning over and whispering into her ear. After the person walked off Sue sat there for about 30 seconds tapping her foot and then stood up and walked over to Councilman Woodbury who was sitting in front of me, leaning over she said, "If we can break Quorum, can we invalidate this?" After saying this rather loudly and glancing at the expression on my face she quickly quieted down and I was unable to hear the rest of the conversation.

[Dave39168]

If they invalidate the initial vote, then Beers and the NVGOP are basically admitting they don't know how to run an orderly convention.... or are crooked. Take your pick.

+1

Beers was the one who presided over the CD votes.... now he's saying they weren't held properly?

[Dustancostine]

The Ron Paul delegates need to find enough sympathetic other delegates and reconvene the meeting with a quorum and finish the delegate selection process. If they do that there is nothing that the establishment GOP can do.

Also never concede to a mail in ballot, never ever ever. I promise you it will be rigged.

--Dustan

[Join The Paul Side]

We are all part of the revolution. We are family.



Indeed. You are all my brothers and sisters. :)

[JustBcuz]

+1

Beers was the one who presided over the CD votes.... now he's saying they weren't held properly?

Actually I think it's Sue Lowden who's saying the vote was 'irregular.'

Beers is just going along.

[wgadget]

Beers explaining that conventions are run by volunteers, it's expensive, most of the people have 10 years or more of experience, that it's thankless work. I guess trying to gather some sympathy....

Wow, that guy better watch it...He's sounding pretty podunk right about now.

[IPSecure]

Mail in = cheat like crazy and nobody will ever know. I am sure that is what will happen. They made it very clear they will do anything to exclude Ron Paul people no matter how many rules they have to break.


Would Not Mail-In Also Imply 'Mail Fraud'?

http://www.teakelllaw.com/CM/Custom/mail-fraud-wire-transfer-fraud.html

MAIL FRAUD

Fraudulent misrepresentations and schemes to defraud which use the United States mail to further that fraudulent conduct, can be prosecuted as “mail fraud.”

The United States Attorney’s Office will seek an Indictment (a charging document formally charging the person with a crime) for mail fraud when the prosecution believes it has evidence of any fraud scheme that uses the mail systems to make that fraud scheme function.

There is no specific requirement for the type of fraudulent scheme that has to be alleged by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, only that there is some kind of fraud or misrepresentation wherein the U.S. mails or commercial carriers are used to mail an item related to the scheme, such as a check, a contract, an application for credit, property valuations, etc.

Originally, the mail fraud statute required some type of use of the U.S. mail; now, the statute requires the use of either the U.S. mail or any mail carrier in an attempt to carry out the fraud.

The United States Code contains federal crimes that are prosecuted by the Department of Justice or its field offices, the United States Attorney’s Offices, in respective districts in the different states. Title 18, United States Code, Section 1341, is titled Frauds and Swindles, and it is commonly referred to as the “mail fraud” statute. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 1341 reads as follows (in summary):
MAIL FRAUD DEFINITION AND PUNISHMENT

Whoever

1) having devised, or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud,
or
2) for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, or to sell, dispose of, loan…
3) something of value or some item…and
4) places in any post office or authorized depository for mail matter
5) any item to be delivered by interstate carrier

shall be fined …or imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both.

[wgadget]

If they invalidate the initial vote, then Beers and the NVGOP are basically admitting they don't know how to run an orderly convention.... or are crooked. Take your pick.

Yep, podunk-ville again, Mr. Beers. You should be hanging your head by now.

[MozoVote]

What stumps me about all this is how the party leadership thinks this helps them in the long run. It makes the current generation that much tougher and determined, and the next generation is taught "not to trust the bastards".

That's why revolutions happen. Eventually it becomes common knowledge that the government is a fat pack of lies and it crumbles from within. Romania. Ukraine. Ireland. Etc Etc

[Join The Paul Side]

To a fair degree, we have our answer though. Beers is not there to cut deals or apologize for anything. He has his side of the story to explain, and he is trying to persuade the Ron Paul contingent to accept an inexpensive conclusion (mail-in) to the convention.

If they are worried about money to rent a place for the convention, kindly inform them that we are known to be pretty crafty at raising funds. I'm sure the Revolution will have no troubles putting togeather a chipin to help pay for the convention as long as it is a fair one. :cool:

[Alawn]

There WILL be fraud if there is a mail vote but it will be impossible to prove and the authorities will refuse to investigate it.

[Dave39168]

How could the party leaders decide to do a mail in ballot anyway? Something like that shouldn't be an executive decision. The delegates of the convention would have to vote and pass something like that. Since the delegates decided to run the candidates from the floor, that is the will of the delegates and is how business must be conducted. This is BS, don't accept anything less than reconvening and continuing the convention properly. If its too costly to reconvene, then Beers should have thought of that before he called a damn recess because he couldn't pay his sound techs anymore. If you call a recess it means you will reconvene. When he announced the recess at the convention did he not state that they would reconvene? They did not adjourn (which would have required a vote from the delegates) They just recessed!

The party leaders will probably decide to reconvene...... on September 6th 2008.

[MozoVote]

Anyone want to venture a guess as to the future participation rate of McCain delegates in the mail-in vote? 99.99%? :rolleyes:

[pepperpete1]

Voting fraud would be hard enough to prove, let alone mail fraud.

Enough of this already. Put in a challenge to the RNC now. They were inept at holding the convention and they lost. Period. They need to be reminded that the room was available at no extra cost and THEY chose not to continue. How many delegates had planes to catch at 5 pm?
Certainly not enough to justify the expense of a reconvening of the convention and what type of delegate is moronic enough to not allow for run-over time? Geez.

[wgadget]

What a bunch of fools.

[MozoVote]

This is BS, don't accept anything less than reconvening and continuing the convention properly. If its too costly to reconvene, then Beers should have thought of that before he called a damn recess because he couldn't pay his sound techs anymore.

How much money did the party spend to have an option on the use of the convention hall on Sunday morning? OMFG.

If people left Saturday afternoon "because they had planes to catch" then boo hoo hoo maybe they were not that committed to the party, and the RON PAUL people are the REAL Republicans willing to put principle ahead of convenience. Ya know??

Ugh! Whatta load of horsehockey.

[MozoVote]

Lesson learned.

I think we can be GUARANTEED that if a chairman at another convention tries this "recess" gambit, any RP Forumers in that convention will stand up and call for "orders of the day" since the recess was not voted on, and have the convention resume.

And oh yeah, bring a few flashlights, and a bullhorn just in case you need them. :P

[pepperpete1]

Lesson learned.

I think we can be GUARANTEED that if a chairman at another convention tries this "recess" gambit, any RP Forumers in that convention will stand up and call for "orders of the day" since the recess was not voted on, and have the convention resume.

And oh yeah, bring a few flashlights, and a bullhorn just in case you need them. :P

You may want to put guards at the doors also. (Maybe some nice policeman)

[wowabunga]

This is a fascinating development.
He should know by know, that he's being vilified *nationally* in e-mails and the blogsphere,

Hell this news story needs to go a lot further than web blogs and the internet. This farce has got me so wound up that I whipped up a 2 page news paper covering this story and the next day handed it out at the Missouri State Capitol to all the rally activists I bumped into.... handed out some 100+ copies.

At 10am a 2nd Amendment Rally was in full swing in the rotunda, and at noon the Biker's Rights Rally folks arrived parking their Harleys smack dab right on the walkway right next to the capitol steps ( they must know someone high up )

Am working on a update to this little grass roots news paper ( have named it the WEDGE REPORT... in honor of anyone who gets between what is good for America and what is good for you and me ). A huge burly biker loved the name and graphics... wants me to do one about a local politician who rubs them the wrong way. My activist efforts on Tuesday landed me a invitation to the Biker's convention this month to drink beer and talk legislation. More info to come on the updated pdf flier...

[ClockwiseSpark]

You may want to put guards at the doors also. (Maybe some nice policeman)

How about these guys?

http://420.thrashbarg.net/dont_worry_mam_were_from_the_internet_cosplay.jpg

[Voodoo]

Meh. I tried to get as much as I could out there. I would be very gracious calling the network spotty - a better phrase would be just north of non-existant.

Sounds like you all got the gist of it, though:

-- You will be anally sodomized this year.
-- Stick around and you can do that to someone else in ten years.

[wowabunga]

Security ? Here's several dozen new pals I met down at the Missouri State Capitol this week. They don't like to be rubbed the wrong way by slick politicians when it comes to their rights. Am told they can "mobilize" considerable numbers when the cause is right.

http://www.arewestillfree.org/pics/bikerslarge.jpg

Also while doing lunch with them ( hey why not ) I was schooled in some of the finer points of what to and what not to say to a biker. For instance the word "Rally" when used by bikers ( is not about holding campaign signage ) rather it means a back woods weekend full of fun and frolic you won't soon forget.

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Nevada...did we win?

[Ninja Homer]

This should be obvious to all of you intelligent Ron Paul supporters: Nevada Ron Paul supporters have Bob Beers by the short hairs.

There are only 3 reasons I can think of that Bob Beers would even consider speaking to a Ron Paul meetup group:
1. To save face with them, and try to get their support after a sudden realization that he did them wrong , and needs their support to further his political career. If this were the case, at the very least a semi-apology would have been offered.
2. He thinks Ron Paul supporters are stupid, and thinks that he's so charismatic that he can feed them his bullshit, change their minds, and either get them to support McCain or agree to some crappy method of selecting delegates that he can have complete control of (and manipulate easily).
3. He got the word from up high that he really screwed up in his effort to thwart the Ron Paul Revolution, and it never ever should have received the national attention that it got. He got the word that he had to fix the problem and get McCain the Nevada delegates. He's grasping at straws trying to find a way to save the ass of his neocon political career.

From the little I've heard so far, it sounds like some variation of #3. Nevada RP supporters need to take it slow (keeping any possible deadlines in mind), and realize that EVERYTHING is in their favor. You had the votes at the convention. You have the numbers if it reconvenes. You have the support of other RP supporters world wide if you need anything done, including money for lawyers.

Personally, I find what's happening in Nevada very encouraging. Most of us are new to the inner workings of the GOP delegate process. It seems with every state process, we are getting better at it. The RP Revolution continues to grow, and I think it is now beyond the point of no return... hopefully it comes to an end peacefully.

[SweetMona]

The rulebook does not give Beers an authorization to do mail-in vote.
Set for 2nd convention regardless of budget issue.

We can find a local school with big gym that can offer a free space. Stick to your gun!

[jasonhlasvegas2008]

Nevada...did we win?

Bob Beers is not a spokesperson for the State GOP so nothing productive came from the meeting, other than to vent a little bit and have a little pow-wow.

I consider the incomplete convention a win for us. Remember...the leadership shut it down because we were about to sweep all the delegates; and since we were very close to having majority we have a tremendous amount of leverage.

[wowabunga]

We can find a local school with big gym that can offer a free space. Stick to your gun!

Get the local Lions Club to run a food booth... Corn Soup, Ham Sandwiches and Homemade Pie. They'll make money for their charities and you folks will eat on the cheep.

In other news I used to work for 5 diamond hotels in Atlanta... we charged $3 for each 12 oz bottle of soda didn't matter if it was drank or not. On a good note we'd never say no to any group wanting the banquet room for extra time as long as no one else scheduled the room that day. Why would be be so nice.... because we could sell you more of our $3 soda pops. As for food prices a mere bowl of peanuts would really set you back...! But hey it was in a shinny silver bowl...

[MozoVote]

My take.

It appears that a "stare down" will be taking place over the next few weeks. The NVGOP will attempt to finish the convention by mail. Does the RP group have the legal resources to push back and block it? If not, the NVGOP will just keep sledding and "tough it out".

Beers probably went, because he needed to maintain the appearance of making an effort to explain things, and not run the convention singlehandedly. (I do think that he and the NVGOP would rather avoid further bad publicity.) By going, stating his case calmly, he can make an ostensible claim to be offering a resolution to the problem, and could cast the RP supporters as the ones being obstinate.

On the whole, it was probably a smart move on his part to show up, even if his idea of compromise smells ripe for more party schenanigans.

[Ninja Homer]

Get the local Lions Club to run a food booth... Corn Soup, Ham Sandwiches and Homemade Pie. They'll make money for their charities and you folks will eat on the cheep.

In other news I used to work for 5 diamond hotels in Atlanta... we charged $3 for each 12 oz bottle of soda didn't matter if it was drank or not. On a good note we'd never say no to any group wanting the banquet room for extra time as long as no one else scheduled the room that day. Why would be be so nice.... because we could sell you more of our $3 soda pops. As for food prices a mere bowl of peanuts would really set you back...! But hey it was in a shinny silver bowl...

I'd think it would be an easy thing to get a casino to host it. It has already received some national attention, and on top of that, Ron Paul is the only candidate in support of legalizing online gambling. For a casino to offer a banquet room for a day is nothing for them compared to the off chance that Ron Paul might get the nomination. No matter how small those odds are, it should be an easy decision for them.

Edit: They might even throw in some bad ass bouncers to oversee the event and make sure they follow Robert's Rules. :)

[wowabunga]

I'd think it would be an easy thing to get a casino to host it. It has already received some national attention, and on top of that, Ron Paul is the only candidate in support of legalizing online gambling. For a casino to offer a banquet room for a day is nothing for them...


Hell... If it's in a Casino I think there should be a parade and cake too...

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[brooklyn]

Not only are they trying to screw us with this bogus mail-in ballot bulls--t, but we are also being informed mccinsanes people are contesting the way our congressional delegates were elected and want to null and void the 7 out of 9 RP delegates that were elected! This is what caused them to stain their shorts and run for the door.
Our votes are being thrown away, our rights as citizens to follow the election process are being denied, we are asked to follow the rules while they are being broken by the party for their agenda. THIS SUCKS.
This is why we have the second amendment! This is outright tyranny. What would our founding fathers do? I think we know.

[wgadget]

Not only are they trying to screw us with this bogus mail-in ballot bulls--t, but we are also being informed mccinsanes people are contesting the way our congressional delegates were elected and want to null and void the 7 out of 9 RP delegates that were elected! This is what caused them to stain their shorts and run for the door.
Our votes are being thrown away, our rights as citizens to follow the election process are being denied, we are asked to follow the rules while they are being broken by the party for their agenda. THIS SUCKS.
This is why we have the second amendment! This is outright tyranny. What would our founding fathers do? I think we know.

I wonder if there is any more doubt as to whether the primaries were rigged.

[puppetmaster]

Funny thing is our county (washoe) held the same meeting at the same hotel in the same room and we had plenty of money to cover. It was all paid for by us with our registration fee.....

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Not only are they trying to screw us with this bogus mail-in ballot bulls--t, but we are also being informed mccinsanes people are contesting the way our congressional delegates were elected and want to null and void the 7 out of 9 RP delegates that were elected!

What [nonviolent] procedures can you guys undertake in order to contest the actions of the McCain delegates?

[HOLLYWOOD]

Not only are they trying to screw us with this bogus mail-in ballot bulls--t, but we are also being informed mccinsanes people are contesting the way our congressional delegates were elected and want to null and void the 7 out of 9 RP delegates that were elected! This is what caused them to stain their shorts and run for the door.
Our votes are being thrown away, our rights as citizens to follow the election process are being denied, we are asked to follow the rules while they are being broken by the party for their agenda. THIS SUCKS.
This is why we have the second amendment! This is outright tyranny. What would our founding fathers do? I think we know.

Do we have any Lawyers/Legal Advise to what can be done on both State and Federal levels of violations of Nevada delegate/voter/citizen rights?

In 2002 remember the New Hampshire Senate phone jamming scandal? This is a VOTE JAMMING scandal by the NVGOP! Many people went to prison, but the sentences were reduced because the GOP in fused major cash for top lawyer defense bills.

Legal ramifications and assistance is needed on this ASAP... after the fact, will be too late and that's exactly what the NVGOP are betting on. Of Course the GOP will come come up with some lame band aid fixes for the future to comply with the LAWS.

This is total BS by McINSANE fix and the NVGOP hunta!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_Hampshire_Senate_election_phone_jamming_s candal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_Hampshire_Senate_election_phone_jamming_s candal)

[acroso]

Beers wants permission to cheat from the Ron Paul supporters....

[Knightskye]

Was there a live stream from the meeting? Is there YouTube of it?

[Voodoo]

YouTube Part I here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf3ddnYMbBE

All 9 parts here:

http://www.stickam.com/viewMovieGallery.do?uId=175225555

[Eric21ND]

Beers explaining that conventions are run by volunteers, it's expensive, most of the people have 10 years or more of experience, that it's thankless work. I guess trying to gather some sympathy....
OMG....play the smallest violin in the world why don't you Beers!

[acroso]

Does anyone know if delegates who did NOT attend the original convention will be able to vote in the mail in?

I assume they could. The GOP is just going to mail stuff to all those LDS people so as to stop the Paul people.

Of course if they hold a convention the LDS people won't show up so they can't do that of course...because Paul would win that.

[speciallyblend]

NVGOP is full of crap,dont trust them ,DONT SETTLE,if we dont get over 90% of the delegates.then it' a total BS SCAM

[UtahApocalypse]

Does anyone know if delegates who did NOT attend the original convention will be able to vote in the mail in?

I assume they could. The GOP is just going to mail stuff to all those LDS people so as to stop the Paul people.

Of course if they hold a convention the LDS people won't show up so they can't do that of course...because Paul would win that.

Why does every fucking person on this board use the LDS as a scapegoat? It at least was plausible when Romney was in, but tying the LDS to McCain is just pitiful and offensive.

I live in Utah, I am LDS. I can tell you one thing for sure... about 80% of the Ron Paul supporters here are in fact MORMONS, yes they are LDS. When people started throwing the LDS bias and attacks over Romney it pushed quite a few supporters away from being offended at the blanket accusal's.

I personally have been offended by these actions many times. I thought we were fighting for INDIVIDUAL rights? so why is you must keep lumping the LDS members into a category. I know this much about life.... attacking others is NOT the way you befriend them.

[speciallyblend]

Why does every fucking person on this board use the LDS as a scapegoat? It at least was plausible when Romney was in, but tying the LDS to McCain is just pitiful and offensive.

I live in Utah, I am LDS. I can tell you one thing for sure... about 80% of the Ron Paul supporters here are in fact MORMONS, yes they are LDS. When people started throwing the LDS bias and attacks over Romney it pushed quite a few supporters away from being offended at the blanket accusal's.

I personally have been offended by these actions many times. I thought we were fighting for INDIVIDUAL rights? so why is you must keep lumping the LDS members into a category. I know this much about life.... attacking others is NOT the way you befriend them.

because a majority of them supported romney in NV,who then supported mccain,but no worries . i dont think anyone new can show, only the people that were at the original convention.. (most are worried if they can flood the convention now,but from what i gathered from other members here. they cannot;)


THE FACT IS DONT SETTLE FOR ANYTHING THE GOP IN NEVADA OFFERS. YOU WANT THE REAL VOTE TO HAPPEN,IF YOU SETTLE FOR LESS, then we dont win. WE DONT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR ANYTHING BUT THE VOTE and we win the same amount of delegates;) DO NOT SETTLE FOR ANYTHING THE GOP OFFERS forget the mail-ins_this is a way to try to fix the vote) that meeting was 100% TOTAL BS LAST NIGHT,if we settle for anything the gop offers we lose,follow the rules and we WIN:)


ps ,i have plenty of lds friends and from my point of view a majority of lds members are far nicer and polite then most americans;) see something positive for you;)


the gop is delaying and will do anything to marginilize the republicans.. there is no excuse they didnt redue this weekend . THE NVGOP IS A SCAM and it showed loud and clear in last nights meeting .DO NOT SETTLE FOR ANYTHING BUT THE REAL VOTE < NO MAIL-INS personally i think they will will ignore and continue to do anything to make sure ron paul doesnt comeout on top,so expect more BULL SHIT . i suspect if we show in force in colorado they will postpone as well and delay, expect the same in maine and delaware the gop is showing themselves to be scum. registered republican in colorado

watching the video feed of bob beers last night , i could smell the bullshit thru the camera, might as well had a big black shit stain on his pants there was so much BS ,posted by a pissed of republican .(SCREAMS)It's my Party and i want it back NOW, stole it from jg wentworth;)

[Ready2Revolt]

If they forced a mail in vote could the RP people abstain and the vote not have the necessary people to meet Quorum?

[speciallyblend]

If they forced a mail in vote could the RP people abstain and the vote not have the necessary people to meet Quorum?

'm not sure,can someone answer this?

[speciallyblend]

Does anyone know if delegates who did NOT attend the original convention will be able to vote in the mail in?

I assume they could. The GOP is just going to mail stuff to all those LDS people so as to stop the Paul people.

Of course if they hold a convention the LDS people won't show up so they can't do that of course...because Paul would win that.

i was told only the people who showed to reno can vote;)

[mudburn]

I see some potential problems of a varied nature.

1. Reconvene. The problem here is that it is expensive for the delegates (forget about the party). And, reconvening will only work if a quorum is present. So, if the McCainiacs don't show, you wasted money for nothing, and the whole process of stagnation continues.

2. Mail-in voting. You can't tell if everyone receives the same ballots or instructions and it is too easily rigged.

3. Does mail-in violate the rules? If so, would this allow for a rump convention that doesn't require quorum? If they break the rules (not just Robert's rules about recessing, but the GOP rules), does that invalidate their process and allow for a rump?

The main problem will be establishing quorum. If the PTB can figure out they don't need to reconvene to select delegates (executive decision or legislature as Beers indicated they are discussing), even if it's not legal (they have the power to force their will), then they won't want to reconvene. The best 'face-saving' approach here is to schedule a time and place for reconvening the convention but prevent quorum. Then, they can claim, we tried, but it didn't work, so we're selecting delegates our own way.

There needs to be found a way to legitimately reconvene and finish the process without a quorum. What's required for a rump? What are the options? The RP people need to be ready to jump on the opportunity as soon as it's available. All options need to be explored and everyone be ready for decisive action at the opportune moment.

dp

[speciallyblend]

I see some potential problems of a varied nature.

1. Reconvene. The problem here is that it is expensive for the delegates (forget about the party). And, reconvening will only work if a quorum is present. So, if the McCainiacs don't show, you wasted money for nothing, and the whole process of stagnation continues.

2. Mail-in voting. You can't tell if everyone receives the same ballots or instructions and it is too easily rigged.

3. Does mail-in violate the rules? If so, would this allow for a rump convention that doesn't require quorum? If they break the rules (not just Robert's rules about recessing, but the GOP rules), does that invalidate their process and allow for a rump?

The main problem will be establishing quorum. If the PTB can figure out they don't need to reconvene to select delegates (executive decision or legislature as Beers indicated they are discussing), even if it's not legal (they have the power to force their will), then they won't want to reconvene. The best 'face-saving' approach here is to schedule a time and place for reconvening the convention but prevent quorum. Then, they can claim, we tried, but it didn't work, so we're selecting delegates our own way.

There needs to be found a way to legitimately reconvene and finish the process without a quorum. What's required for a rump? What are the options? The RP people need to be ready to jump on the opportunity as soon as it's available. All options need to be explored and everyone be ready for decisive action at the opportune moment.

dp


but didnt they already violate the rules by suspending the convention without a vote?? any delay by the nvgop is a scam and they are up for some more corruption of the process , treat the nvgop like mccain, DO NOT TRUST ONE WORD OUT OF THERE LYINGS MOUTHS. WE should legally be able to rump already,they never had a vote on the recess from what i heard , nvgop aka bob beers already violated the rules from what i understand

[Mahkato]

I heard one possible reason for the reconvene was so they could host it in a room with cell phone scrambling (such as casinos have to prevent cheating) so that Ron Paul supporters couldn't use mass text messaging as part of their strategy.

[hillertexas]

i was told only the people who showed to reno can vote;)

we need this in writing

[speciallyblend]

we need this in writing

pretty sure its in the gop by-laws;) for nevada.... but who needs rules when your a currupt nvgop

[speciallyblend]

NVGOP is full of crap,they are delaying and trying to muck the rules,just vote on the delegates and get it over with,but no they delay and make excuses until they can find away to corrupt the rules . They keep pulling this crap and they will lose 1/4 to 1/3 of their own base. until they have the actual delegate vote that was suspended in reno,its all a bunch of lies and bs...

[TruthAtLast]

I know the McCain people think that the delegates should be distributed based on the popular vote (great for them since they will get Romney's delegates) but doesn't this invalidate the entire precinct and county delegate process. What's the POINT in having delegate selection at the local and county level if NONE of it matters at the convention?

I was also thinking that if they tried to reconvene and there was no quorum because McCain people stayed home, what would have happened at the previous meeting if none of the McCain delegates showed up? Would there be no Nevada Convention. There has got to be a way around this.

Did anyone ask why Beers illegally recessed the convention without a motion to second and a vote by the majority. He had NO authority to do so. Technically isn't the meeting still going right now?

Also, if we decided to hold a rump convention wouldn't we also run into the same problem of reconvening without a quorum?

The mail-in vote is illegal and there is a great potential for rigging it but would there be any way it could work? If there was McCain and Ron Paul leaders present when the ballots were mailed or faxed out, and there were representatives of both groups there as they came back in (with signatures on each ballot from the delegates) could we be a little more sure of a fair count (at least as sure as them counting behind closed doors at a convention). You could even have a copy of a drivers license on the ballot to insure it was the right person.

Or, what about a call in vote on speaker phone from all delegates with leaders from both groups there to tally in real-time. I'm sure there are verbal verifications that can be done to insure it was a valid person calling. And if there were any dupes, we can just contact those people again and get their vote (again on speakerphone) for all to hear.

[slamhead]

Get the word out to all delagates. Meet in a public park. Bring a megaphone and have a rump convention. Lets get this thing done. There reasons are all smoke and mirrors to nullify RP supporters.

[MozoVote]

Paulites should write THIS ELECTION IS INVALID! RECONVENE THE CONVENTION! on every mail in ballot.

Imagine if *that* was the majority vote.

[Ninja Homer]

I know the McCain people think that the delegates should be distributed based on the popular vote (great for them since they will get Romney's delegates) but doesn't this invalidate the entire precinct and county delegate process. What's the POINT in having delegate selection at the local and county level if NONE of it matters at the convention?

I was also thinking that if they tried to reconvene and there was no quorum because McCain people stayed home, what would have happened at the previous meeting if none of the McCain delegates showed up? Would there be no Nevada Convention. There has got to be a way around this.

Did anyone ask why Beers illegally recessed the convention without a motion to second and a vote by the majority. He had NO authority to do so. Technically isn't the meeting still going right now?

Also, if we decided to hold a rump convention wouldn't we also run into the same problem of reconvening without a quorum?

The mail-in vote is illegal and there is a great potential for rigging it but would there be any way it could work? If there was McCain and Ron Paul leaders present when the ballots were mailed or faxed out, and there were representatives of both groups there as they came back in (with signatures on each ballot from the delegates) could we be a little more sure of a fair count (at least as sure as them counting behind closed doors at a convention). You could even have a copy of a drivers license on the ballot to insure it was the right person.

Or, what about a call in vote on speaker phone from all delegates with leaders from both groups there to tally in real-time. I'm sure there are verbal verifications that can be done to insure it was a valid person calling. And if there were any dupes, we can just contact those people again and get their vote (again on speakerphone) for all to hear.

Some of your questions are answered in the video. They are all up here:
http://www.stickam.com/viewMovieGallery.do?uId=175225555

It looks like the first 4 are up on youtube, and they are a little better quality:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qf3ddnYMbBE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zq9XirZifnc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ePGJU9ui2Vc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LMifl4AH8mY

So, better quality on YouTube, but to see all of it you have to use the stickam.com link.

[Badger Paul]

A rump convention has to be a nuclear option because I do not want a credentials committee at the national GOP convention full of McCaniacs to decide our fate. We should settle for nothing less than a majority of the delegation. Period. No mail-in ballots, nothing. Either re-convene and finish the damn thing or look like fools trying to prevent Ron Paul from winning delegates.

[pepperpete1]

So what was the end result of the meeting?

I have dial up and videos are not an option.

[ItsTime]

bob beers is a really bad liar

[Voodoo]

So what was the end result of the meeting?

I have dial up and videos are not an option.

You will be sodomized this year but stick around and you can sodomize someone else in 10 years.

[deadserious]

They need to be reminded that the room was available at no extra cost and THEY chose not to continue. How many delegates had planes to catch at 5 pm?

Wrong. The room was available for 3 more hours that evening at a cost. Was not free.

[MozoVote]

Some more points raised in the videos, which I missed last night:

The Vegas meetup is trying to raise pledges, in case a legal challenge is necessary.

The "$10,000 list" is larger than the credentialed delegate list - it is those people nominated from county - So it could be a time consuming task to find the real delegates who are on the credentials report from convention.

Beers says he does not have the list, because "It is party tradition that the chair not attend pre-convention meetings" - He said he asked for the list and the credentials committee would not release it to him... b/c there are delegates who attended, who do not want "Ron Paul People" to know their names and addresses.

The debate about the quality of voting, centers around the possibility of people caucusing in the wrong district. The convention badges did not identify delegates by district. But there isn't any *evidence* cited yet of a problem. (One of the counters said all the ballots in her district had been initialed. If there are illegal votes then they should be easy to find.)

Beers said he's not sure how the delegates would be determined if the convention does not re-convene. It might be the RNC, it might be the state executive committee.

He said that never in recent history has a Nevada state convention needed longer than 2 days (Friday and Saturday). {I think this is a telling statement. The party is accustomed to getting through business quickly without dissent.}

Beers said that it was not *his* objective to break the quorum, but admitted that it could have been the McCain camp's... and that it's an "allowable convention tactic". This is a real money quote. :rolleyes: Go to video#4 at the 4:10 to 4:30 mark!

He made an interesting assertion, that he intended to come back and tell everyone that they would attempt to re-convene on another day, but "Mike Weber was up there" so he chose not to interrupt Mike's attempts to re-start the convention.

[pepperpete1]

Wrong. The room was available for 3 more hours that evening at a cost. Was not free.

Thanks for the heads up on the convention room.:)

[humanic]

Beers said that it was not *his* objective to break the quorum, but admitted that it could have been the McCain camp's... and that it's an "allowable convention tactic". This is a real money quote. :rolleyes: Go to video#4 at the 4:10 to 4:30 mark!

He made an interesting assertion, that he intended to come back and tell everyone that they would attempt to re-convene on another day, but "Mike Weber was up there" so he chose not to interrupt Mike's attempts to re-start the convention.

Here's his exact quote if anyone wants it:

"I don't believe that [Sue/Drew/Rue?] and I were trying to break the quorum. It may well have been the McCain camp that was trying to break the quorum. That is-- that is, umm, as admissible under the rules as, say, getting the rules changed in the morning session. That's allowable convention tactic."

Only thing I'm not sure about is the name. I'm guessing he said "Sue" as in Sue Lowden, but it sounds more like "Rue" or "Drew."