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Cogz
04-30-2008, 10:12 AM
I saw a video recently where Mrs. Edwards talked about how Sen. McCain's healthcare plan was inadequate because it left those with pre-existing health problems with no viable way to get insurance.

I have been asked this same thing by people who are pro-universal health care many times. Typically I say that these are the situations where charity would be encouraged - but what could we do in order to make sure that people who are "uninsurable" don't get left to suffer or die?

How do we reassure those people that our plan is workable?

pcosmar
04-30-2008, 12:43 PM
but what could we do in order to make sure that people who are "uninsurable" don't get left to suffer or die?
Live in some imaginary utopia.

Fact of life (and a pre existing condition) everybody suffers and EVERYBODY DIES.

amy31416
04-30-2008, 12:47 PM
Fact of life (and a pre existing condition) everybody suffers and EVERYBODY DIES.

I'd like to nominate you for the official "RPF Motivational Speaker Award of 2008."

:D

pcosmar
04-30-2008, 12:58 PM
Maybe I should have posed a warning.

http://www.alterati.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/reality-check.jpg

I will be 51 this year, and I only have another 50 or 60 years left.
Bones hurt, I ache when I split wood, and I get sunburn when I am not getting frostbit.

Reality.

Cogz
04-30-2008, 01:04 PM
Reality or no - I personally would like to find a way at the very least to spin this in a positive manner. Right now we are offering reality, but a reality that involves people "suffering" and being "left to die."

What positive options are we giving people in the place of "Uncle Sugar" that they can understand?

pcosmar
04-30-2008, 01:10 PM
Reality or no - I personally would like to find a way at the very least to spin this in a positive manner. Right now we are offering reality, but a reality that involves people "suffering" and being "left to die."

What positive options are we giving people in the place of "Uncle Sugar" that they can understand?

Oh, OK. now I see.

Just do what all socialists do.
LIE

:( :confused:

amy31416
04-30-2008, 01:24 PM
I will be 51 this year, and I only have another 50 or 60 years left.
Bones hurt, I ache when I split wood, and I get sunburn when I am not getting frostbit.

Reality.

I only have this slight poetic offering:

Life's a piece of shit,
When you look at it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke it's true.
You'll see it's all a show.
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And...

Always look on the bright side of life.
Always look on the right side of life.
[whistle]

pcosmar
04-30-2008, 01:29 PM
It has all it's moments.
http://pcosmar.blogspot.com/2008/04/not-yet.html

The health care in this country was not an issue till the Government got involved. That has driven up the cost and lowered the quality.
I agree with Dr. Paul. Leave health care between the Doctors and their patients.

Kraig
04-30-2008, 01:30 PM
Reality or no - I personally would like to find a way at the very least to spin this in a positive manner. Right now we are offering reality, but a reality that involves people "suffering" and being "left to die."

What positive options are we giving people in the place of "Uncle Sugar" that they can understand?

Get rich and start donating. You did say you wanted to personally find a way right? That wouldn't involve taxing me, right?

Living in a irrational dream world where health care is a "right" is a good way to fail at life. Keep looking for ways to make people who wish for the impossible happy, if that's what you want to do.

I honestly am amazed that you find "right now we are offering reality" to be insufficient.

The "spin" that you are looking for is that the vast majority of people would be happier, wealthier, and healthier if we all living for the sake of ourselves rather than always having to pay for slackers. Or should I say "the poor and unfortunate". Good luck trying to convince someone of that though, if they are begging for free health care, because it does require work.

Cogz
04-30-2008, 01:42 PM
Well aren't you all a bunch of negative people.

After thinking about it - this is what I think I was looking for:

1) If government got out of healthcare, prices would drop.
Now how can I give evidence of this?
2) If government stopped trying to provide for every need of every person, people would be wealthier.
Once again, Evidence? (by how much, and what would be the net effect nationally to both the economy and on an individual basis?)
3) If people were wealthier, they would either A: be able to pay for most care out of pocket and B: be able to donate to causes that provide care to people who have problems beyond what can be afforded individually.
Evidence as to the likelihood of this happening?

See, in 2nd Amendment issues such as CCW we can cite instances such as how other states have instituted it, and its not the "wild west" like they said it would be. I am just asking for examples as to how it can work, and where it has worked in this day and age.

I have no problem selling reality - I want to know how I can sell reality as something better than the pipe dream they call universal healthcare!