What Duncan Delegate said about Ron Paul Supporters at Nevada Convention...Thoughts?

[Magicman]

I have to agree and after attending our Nevada State Convention this weekend and NOT electing ANY DELEGATES to the National Convention, I have even more reason to agree! The Ron Paul supporters tried to overrun our convention and take control. I was so disgusted with the way these people acted. AND….one of them threatened the Chairman of the convention as he was leaving who is one of our State Senators. He had to be escorted out of the building with a security detail. It was NUTS and it almost seemed like violence was going to break out in the convention room when we had to recess our convention due to our contract for the room had expired and we had to leave the hotel.



I am SO DISGUSTED with Ron Paul supporters and they are causing more harm than good. In fact, some of the people that were there are so disgusted that they do not want to participate further.



I am hoping that we can come to a positive conclusion to our state convention in the near future. For now, I am MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!



Kristie Parker

Washoe County Delegate


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My Response:

Are you guys watching the same video I am? What I saw was a group of Mccainites completely ignore the Robert Rules of Order by leaving the event when the chairmen shut down the convention which was completely shady. Ron Paul supporters won and instead of accepting it they couldnt decide what to do and the chairmen shut down the convention. Not only is that immature that is unAmerican and a sore loser mentality.

Ron Paul stayed in the race and didn't back Mccain because Mccain doesn't have principles true to the Republican party. He was a Democrat herder and is not conservative. That is the shame. He is only begging for the Conservative vote cause he needs it he could careless. Why should any Ron Paul supporters or any other candidate pick Mccain when he is possibly one of the worst if not the worst choice for a Republican candidate.

Here are the videos I have seen, and what Mccain people and the Chairmen did was disgraceful and they all should be ashamed of themselves.

Here are videoclips for those wondering what happened:

http://www.youtube.com/v/bknGz9TtEHE&hl

http://www.youtube.com/v/15xNQo9N02I&hl

http://www.youtube.com/v/XUMjySV72p8&hl

http://www.youtube.com/v/i5UpO141SmM&hl

http://www.youtube.com/v/i5UpO141SmM&hl

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Her Response:

I WAS THERE!!!!! No, they didn’t end it because Paul was winning. There was NOTHING TO WIN about! We had HOURS and HOURS worth of work to do to elect delegates and our time with the hotel was up. PLAIN AND SIMPLE! They were the ones who were belligerent and that is that! I’m not a McCain supporter specifically, but I LEFT the room because the meeting had adjourned and I would not be a part of a group of people who were behaving like toddlers in a tantrum.



Go preach to your own choir because you have it ALL wrong! None of us here are going to listen to your Ron Paul propaganda.



Kristie Parker

Washoe County Delegate
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My Response:

Kristie, Im calling bull simply on the fact that Paul had 2nd in Nevada; and Mitt Romney was 1st place. Of course, Paul would have more supporters then Mccain. How could one use the term 'overrun' when the facts are pretty clear what was happening in that state.

What were you doing in the back of the room? Your fibbing is really easy to spot here. Yeah, I'm sure you all left because a couple of people made some remarks..right! I could see the chairmen making some snarky remarks as well on that video.


I hardly find your story believable, as the convention was shut down because your trying to blame supporters because of their behavior? I think you saw that the convention was not in your favor so you chickened out and decided to ignore the Robert Rules. If you let one or two people get to you that much. I think your full of it. It's RIGHT ON TAPE!

[Magicman]

So she claimed that the contract ran out for the room that is why the recess happened?

Can anyone confirm whether she is lying or misinformed?

...and elaborate more about this?

Also about the guy who threatened violence?

[Rangeley]

The given reason was that the contract expired. While it is true that the room was only reserved till 5, the place agreed to allow it to continue for three additional hours, free of charge.

Further, the chairman does not have the unilateral ability to recess the convention. It required a majority vote, and that is something that did not happen.

[hawks4ronpaul]

According to other threads (subject to confirmation):

Pro-McCain people delayed and filibustered with videos and speeches instead of voting on the remaining 22 delegates, to run out the clock (I am not talking about counting votes, I am talking about conducting the votes).
The hotel let the convention continue until 9pm, so the 6pm abandonment was unnecessary and improper.
The chairman claimed that they could not afford overtime of the stagehands but I believe America held many conventions without electronic microphones (speak loudly).
The GOP had provisions for 2 days including Sunday morning (thus, the 'indefinite' part of the recess was improper).
The chairman 's recess was illegal r.e. Robert's Rules.
McCain people abandoned the convention while it was still in session to sabotage by preventing a quorum (after the chairman's illegal recess announcement, an acting chairman was continuing the convention while McCain people abandoned their jobs).
McCain people stayed in the room after 6pm but refused to 'be counted,' thus sabotaging the convention and preventing its completion on Saturday.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[Jeremy]

McCain came in third place. Ron Paul beat McCain.

But I still think people should try to be more civil... always... even if they already were... try harder I suppose. Act like perfect people so they can't do anything but love ya.

(but I wasn't there... saw the vids though)

[deadserious]

the place agreed to allow it to continue for three additional hours, free of charge.

Not quite... The Peppermill agreed to continue for three more hours, but not for free of charge. But when it was announced that the contract was expired and that was the reason, hundreds of hands across the convention floor rose with money offering to pay for those extra three hours.

[deadserious]

I was there and also have plenty of video tape of the events. You can read my accounts of the events on my blog http://jasonsouthwell.com. No videos posted yet, but written accounts are there.


The Ron Paul supporters tried to overrun our convention and take control. I was so disgusted with the way these people acted. AND….one of them threatened the Chairman of the convention as he was leaving who is one of our State Senators. He had to be escorted out of the building with a security detail.

I was sitting on the floor and had a McCain sticker on my lapel. About a half hour before the convention recessed, we saw people starting to leave and recognized most if not all were McCain people. One in particular sitting right in front of me came up to his buddy and said, "We're leaving so they don't have a quorum".

About 5 minutes later a woman came up to me and said, you are a McCain supporter right?

I said, why do you ask? She said, nevermind you must be for Ron Paul. I said, wait a minute... I just want to know why you are asking. She saw my lapel and said "ok... listen... These Ron Paul Bastards are taking over the convention. If we let this go on they are going to win all of the delegates. We can't let that happen. We need to leave now." I asked if that was really fair and she replied, "fair? The bastards are going to win... We have to leave so they don't get a quorum." She then left and we sat there in disbelief. A non Ron Paul guy was sitting next to us and couldn't believe that just happened. A little later she came back and said... "Look we have to leave now. Right now." We didn't of course, but it was just a minute or two later Mr. Beers announced a recess and ran from the room.

When recess was announced, people across the convention floor stood up and started booing. Not one threat was yelled that I could hear... just boos. It was the Ron Paul clark county organizer who later announced that Bob Beers was threatened and had to leave with security. It was not stated that it was a Ron Paul guy that threatened him, but apparently people who heard that assumed it was since Brian made the announcement.

I can say for certain that there were plenty of McCain people left in the crowd that thought what was happening was BS as I was sitting next to several.

[hawks4ronpaul]

Kristie: I WAS THERE!!!!! No, they didn’t end it because Paul was winning. There was NOTHING TO WIN about! We had HOURS and HOURS worth of work to do to elect delegates and our time with the hotel was up. PLAIN AND SIMPLE! They were the ones who were belligerent and that is that!

Why do I have a hard time believing that Kristie was sweet as pie?


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[Jeremy]

Wow deadserious... that's a pretty extraordinary story. It's almost heard to beleive... or it's jus tthat crazy =o

[deadserious]

Wow deadserious... that's a pretty extraordinary story. It's almost heard to beleive... or it's jus tthat crazy =o

My wife was sitting next to me and she can validate. I'll see if she got the name of the guy next to us so we can get more third party validation.

[Nate SY]

My wife was sitting next to me and she can validate. I'll see if she got the name of the guy next to us so we can get more third party validation.

That's some off the wall stuff man.

But it doesn't surprise me.

[speciallyblend]

expose everyone of these mccain delegates for the liars they are. If you dont do this,then they will continue to lie..

They want to know why ron paul supporters are pissed? hell have they been living under a rock?? WE are pissed because of corrupt gop tactics such as what happened in nv and many other states. The mccain/corrupt gop are truly brainwashed drones..

[rajibo]

I still fail to comprehend why these mamby pamby GOP officials, with no real power to speak of, seeth with such hatred for Ron Paul who is only positing the values they are supposed to believe as conservatives.

:mad:

[Jeremy]

Well if this person is a delegate it's pretty obvious why they are bashing other delegates... and supporters of delegates. But they are making it look like we are the enemy. We are Republicans following the rules... how about they try the same.

[AJ Antimony]

Tell her to stop crying.

[Libertytree]

I know we're supposed to take the high road and be ladies and gentlemen throughout this process but at some point when decorum and following the rules doesn't work what means are left to our disposal?

I'm sorry for venting here but some of the people we've had to deal with, from the higher ups to the chair people just plain need their ass kicked for subverting their own rules, obstruction of the will of the people and manipulating the truth etc..etc...

Maybe a good tar and feathering might make them reluctant to stand in the way of liberty and freedom, evil deeds need to have consequences.

Sorry folks, I'm just further pissed off.

[ronpaulitician]

None of us here are going to listen to your Ron Paul propaganda.
Don't worry, Kristie. Nobody's trying to take away your precious neocon propaganda.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Wow, what a dumb little Duncan supporter. Who cares if she walks out? seeya.

If we run them out, then we get to control everything. That's GOOD

[torchbearer]

Didn't they see the signs? This is a revolution, not a tea party....
Our country is in trouble... and the true patriots are moving to save it.
Don't they see why we are so passionate and so unrelenting????

We are trying to save our country, and they are trying to stop us...
if they make a peaceful revolution unattainable, they make a violent one inevitable.

That Duncan Delegate hasn't seen anything yet,

[Voodoo]

My wife was sitting next to me and she can validate. I'll see if she got the name of the guy next to us so we can get more third party validation.

I didn't hear DS's convo, but I can confirm that hundreds of similar convos were happening around the room. DS sat across from me at dinner that night with people who were in various parts of the room and they all had similar stories to relate.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Duncan endorsed Huckabee, right? hm... then Huckabee endorses Mccain... why is she still going for protectionist Duncan? lol

[scandinaviany3]

havent we heard the same story from nevada already

[Libertytree]

When does a revolution become a rebellion?

When their rules can be subverted at their will and no one wants to take notice do the rules even matter anymore?

[surf]

Kristie ain't up for liberty - forget about it is my advice and prepare for the next meeting - you guys did wonderful. At the next meeting elect someone other than Beers as the Chairperson - whas it Mike Webber? He seemed to know what to do and was respectful. This is something that RP supporters and neocons should be able to agree on to kick-off the meeting on a good note.

my .02.

Thanks, Nevada, for reenergizing supporters nationwide.

[TruthAtLast]

ask her when there was a vote to recess the convention (as required by Roberts Rules). ask her why, if there was no time left, did the Peppermill extend the time for 3 hours (would have been nice if the chair would have stayed huh?) ask her why there were dozens of McCain supporters sitting in the back of the room refusing to be counted to make sure that the quorum was broken, then having them CHEER when it was announced that there was not enough for a quorum.

Were some Ron Paul supporters mad? Yes, and they have every right to be!

[Zera]

I say some of you guys should pretend to be McInsanites so that the others talk to you, just as it happened to someone else here. If they tell you something that they're planning, just run up to the mic and inform EVERYONE of their plans. Should fuck them over. Also, try recording, audio or video, of them saying it.

[RP4EVER]

indeed zera; with video evidence; theyll be doomed

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

That's some off the wall stuff man.

But it doesn't surprise me.


Me, either. Some of these people are stupid followers, and some are on various gravy trains. The ones riding the gravy trains or planning to won't give it up easily. They figure we'll eventually give up. I think they might be wrong.

[torchbearer]

Me, either. Some of these people are stupid followers, and some are on various gravy trains. The ones riding the gravy trains or planning to won't give it up easily. They figure we'll eventually give up. I think they might be wrong.

in case you skipped this earlier post:

Didn't they see the signs? This is a revolution, not a tea party....
Our country is in trouble... and the true patriots are moving to save it.
Don't they see why we are so passionate and so unrelenting????

We are trying to save our country, and they are trying to stop us...
if they make a peaceful revolution unattainable, they make a violent one inevitable.

That Duncan Delegate hasn't seen anything yet

[pepperpete1]

When does a revolution become a rebellion?

When their rules can be subverted at their will and no one wants to take notice do the rules even matter anymore?

Per the NVGOP rules, Article 3. Section 2. To set the time and place and to issue the call for the State Convention which shall be held within Clark County in gubernatorial years and within one of the remaining sixteen counties in all presidential years; (This means it cannot be resumed in Las Vegas)and to issue the call for the Congressional district conventions in presidential years during which multi-county district convention shall be held in concert with the State Convention. There shall be no fractional voting from any county at any State Committee meeting, State Convention or any Congressional district caucus or convention.

[MGreen]

In fact, some of the people that were there are so disgusted that they do not want to participate further.
http://milliondollarspatula.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/mission-accomplished.jpg

[mczerone]

When does a revolution become a rebellion?

When their rules can be subverted at their will and no one wants to take notice do the rules even matter anymore?

This is VERY important to remember, but we must take our licks.

I think we can only take so much subversion from the Partymen, but remember - they have they power right now, so it is their right to do what ever they want, and paint us as the bad guys.

We need to earn popular sympathy before we can start breaking any rules. We don't control the media yet.

[pepperpete1]

This is VERY important to remember, but we must take our licks.

I think we can only take so much subversion from the Partymen, but remember - they have they power right now, so it is their right to do what ever they want, and paint us as the bad guys.
We need to earn popular sympathy before we can start breaking any rules. We don't control the media yet.

They do NOT have the right to break rules and laws to insure the outcome of a state convention, county convention, and most certainly the national convention.

That is why EVERY infraction should be contested and challenged. If the campaign does not do this SHAME on them...shame....shame.

Actually any resident of the county, state, CD, or SBOE can contest a violation. It is in the rules.

[wgadget]

Did you watch the Bloomberg interview from tonight? Ron Paul was asked by the interviewer if he was going to contest the NV shenanigans. He said no, that he didn't want to spend a lot of money on lawyers. Hmmmm.

[Arklatex]

I was authentically sad reading the OP until I got to this part:


In fact, some of the people that were there are so disgusted that they do not want to participate further.

[mczerone]

They do NOT have the right to break rules and laws to insure the outcome of a state convention, county convention, and most certainly the national convention.

That is why EVERY infraction should be contested and challenged. If the campaign does not do this SHAME on them...shame....shame.

Actually any resident of the county, state, CD, or SBOE can contest a violation. It is in the rules.

While I agree with your sentiment, and wish it to be fair, it is the sad truth that the Party Loyalists have the power to make and change the rules, and then form public opinion that they were just acting 'to defend the party from nut-jobs'. They can make and change the rules at will, and we are screwed until we have the power.

There are very few laws that could be cited against this childish, moronic, ignorant behavior, possibly exclusion based on ideology to a public event, but then it would be nothing but a long court battle with no real short-term result.

Any one CAN contest the behavior to the Party, but WHO is judging the violation?

We need to keep fighting tooth and nail. We can't sit and whine about how they are acting, we must simply accept that they are acting that way, and prepare for it.

The Loyalists will try to escape, both literally and rhetorically - we must persevere.
The Loyalists will hide - we must keep them exposed
The Loyalists will lie - we must stick to the truth
The Loyalists will attack us, our ideas, and our images - we must make all these things unassailable.

I hope that people will go through the proper channels to contest any infraction to Party rules, but I don't think anyone is going to get very far, or very fast.

[LibertyEagle]

We need to keep fighting tooth and nail. We can't sit and whine about how they are acting, we must simply accept that they are acting that way, and prepare for it.



Bingo.

According to some friends of my mother's who campaigned with her for Goldwater, Sr. back in the day, that is how they won the Republican nomination back then. The GOP machinery, as I'm sure the Democratic party, has been playing games for a long time. The only way to win is to understand the game, prepare for it and outsmart them.

WE are the GOP. WE are the ones who are trying to take the party back to true conservatism. Never say die!

[speciallyblend]

Bingo.

According to some friends of my mother's who campaigned with her for Goldwater, Sr. back in the day, that is how they won the Republican nomination back then. The GOP machinery, as I'm sure the Democratic party, has been playing games for a long time. The only way to win is to understand the game, prepare for it and outsmart them.

WE are the GOP. WE are the ones who are trying to take the party back to true conservatism. Never say die!

I wish may 30th/31st would come sooner . I truly can't wait fo the Colorado State Convention . There are alot of old school gop supporting Ron Paul:) but there are plenty of mccain drones,so hopefully we show up in full force:)

I already have the word on some of the plans but SHHHHHH, IT'S TOP SECRET:)

RON PAUL 2008 or the gop will lose the election..

[freelance]

This is the same old tired crap that GOPUSA or USAGOP or whatever tried to cram down our throats last summer when they told us to "be civil." It appears that whenever the Ron Paul contingent has the slightest chance of making their mark, we get this kind of crap thrown at us. We are only proper, civil and acceptable when we toe the party line.

[PaulineDisciple]

I wish may 30th/31st would come sooner . I truly can't wait fo the Colorado State Convention . There are alot of old school gop supporting Ron Paul:) but there are plenty of mccain drones,so hopefully we show up in full force:)

I already have the word on some of the plans but SHHHHHH, IT'S TOP SECRET:)

RON PAUL 2008 or the gop will lose the election..

Is the first plan voting out the chairman?

Having a chairman walk out of a meeting happened to us first in Jackson County, MO at our county caucus. This is why the first thing we did at the district convention was to vote in a new chairman. I am suprised that voting in a new chairman wasn't the first thing our delegates did at the NV state convention??? What were they thinking???

Sorry if I spoiled your secret but all Ron Paul delegates need to make this the first thing on their agenda in every county, district and state convention, this is the only way to ensure that we get treated fairly. Some Ron Paul supporters think that if you do this first, you will piss all the other delegates off, but after seeing case after case of their BS at these meetings we need tell reluctant supporters that we need to do this and explain to them why. I say that we make this agenda item a priority for all Ron Paul delegates in every state.

[wgadget]

While I agree with you, Pauline Disciple, in some states we RPers don't have the majority, or aren't sure if we have the majority if it's close. A vote saying to throw out the chairman might not bode well in these cases for the rest of the convention...It's a little more tricky than you say.

[jasonhlasvegas2008]

This is why the first thing we did at the district convention was to vote in a new chairman. I am suprised that voting in a new chairman wasn't the first thing our delegates did at the NV state convention??? What were they thinking???

State Senator Bob Beers is a very popular politician. He is even popular among the ranks of the Ron Paul supporters. At the beginning of the convention it would have been impossible to vote him out. Also, one of the people sitting at the front row noticed that it seemed he was being pressured to end the meeting for about 30 minutes leading up to the illegal recess.

[mczerone]

State Senator Bob Beers is a very popular politician. He is even popular among the ranks of the Ron Paul supporters.

I think you mean "was" popular among Ron Paul supporters. :)

[Cinderella]

so when will u all meet again to decide the delegates??

[PaulineDisciple]

While I agree with you, Pauline Disciple, in some states we RPers don't have the majority, or aren't sure if we have the majority if it's close. A vote saying to throw out the chairman might not bode well in these cases for the rest of the convention...It's a little more tricky than you say.

I would still put it high on the agenda list, maybe you can test the water with the platform amendment on the war to see how much support you have, this amendment seems to be the one that draws the line between Ron Paul supporters and the rest of the Republicans. If it passes, assume you have the numbers and go for it.

Another motion that can act as a test of your numbers is the rule change to unbind delegates but this would only work in states that currently have them bound.

One of the reason why we were successful at our caucus was the fact that we studies the rules, practiced and brainstormed for weeks before the caucus. Although you could always get a real jerk that ignores the rules but you would think that if you make it obvious to the rank and file party members what their leadership is doing that there would be future blow-back expected for their actions.

[deadserious]

maybe you can test the water with the platform amendment on the war to see how much support you have, this amendment seems to be the one that draws the line between Ron Paul supporters and the rest of the Republicans. If it passes, assume you have the numbers and go for it.


We already passed that in our platform IIRC. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.

Our platform was very paul-oriented. For example, it included repeal of the patriot act and the federal reserve.

[Kade]

I was there and also have plenty of video tape of the events. You can read my accounts of the events on my blog http://jasonsouthwell.com. No videos posted yet, but written accounts are there.



I was sitting on the floor and had a McCain sticker on my lapel. About a half hour before the convention recessed, we saw people starting to leave and recognized most if not all were McCain people. One in particular sitting right in front of me came up to his buddy and said, "We're leaving so they don't have a quorum".

About 5 minutes later a woman came up to me and said, you are a McCain supporter right?

I said, why do you ask? She said, nevermind you must be for Ron Paul. I said, wait a minute... I just want to know why you are asking. She saw my lapel and said "ok... listen... These Ron Paul Bastards are taking over the convention. If we let this go on they are going to win all of the delegates. We can't let that happen. We need to leave now." I asked if that was really fair and she replied, "fair? The bastards are going to win... We have to leave so they don't get a quorum." She then left and we sat there in disbelief. A non Ron Paul guy was sitting next to us and couldn't believe that just happened. A little later she came back and said... "Look we have to leave now. Right now." We didn't of course, but it was just a minute or two later Mr. Beers announced a recess and ran from the room.

When recess was announced, people across the convention floor stood up and started booing. Not one threat was yelled that I could hear... just boos. It was the Ron Paul clark county organizer who later announced that Bob Beers was threatened and had to leave with security. It was not stated that it was a Ron Paul guy that threatened him, but apparently people who heard that assumed it was since Brian made the announcement.

I can say for certain that there were plenty of McCain people left in the crowd that thought what was happening was BS as I was sitting next to several.

Incredible story.

To the rest of RPF:

Wow. You guys are awesome.

I may be the contrarian here, but I like what you guys did in Nevada, that is my kind of style. :D

[wowabunga]

There will be no more Nevada votes... according to the "word on the street". McCain had a rep at the Nevada convention and the convention ended as per the top wished. And yes the word on the street is that all states must send McCain Delegates or send NO Delegates.

How can they do that... well it's their sandbox... well it's their rules. I can hear the main GOP excuse being that "too many delegates just can't afford to travel and attend.... cry cry cry." Recognize how they will easily use our arguments and twist and contort them. With the media harping endlessly over the "raccous" Ron Paul supporters ( reguardless of our videos showing the real deal ) and as McZerone posted here we don't control the media so don't expect much in that department.

How will we prevail ? We the people, are the RIGHTFUL OWNERS of the land under that sandbox... this is our country as well. As Jefferson said our best insurance is to wake up the people... educate them. As McZerone posted we must win minds and hearts and earn popular sympathy.


"To advertise when trade is dull
Is useless, don't you see?
I advertise each day,
and trade Is never dull with me."
- Printers' Ink, (January 9, 1895), vol. 12, p. 44.

Yesterday I handed out lit at the State Capitol in Missouri: 10am was the gun rights group, and at noon was the bikers rights crowd. Today I'm handing out literature to the pro peace crew who stands along the main intersection here in town at rush hour. Become the media.... word of mouth rocks.

[angelatc]

I have to agree and after attending our Nevada State Convention this weekend and NOT electing ANY DELEGATES to the National Convention, I have even more reason to agree! The Ron Paul supporters tried to overrun our convention and take control.

What's with this "our" convention stuff? Somehow, I don't think she's including you in that! ANd politics is all about winning control. If she isn't ready for that, then she's delusional.

[pepperpete1]

While I agree with your sentiment, and wish it to be fair, it is the sad truth that the Party Loyalists have the power to make and change the rules, and then form public opinion that they were just acting 'to defend the party from nut-jobs'. They can make and change the rules at will, and we are screwed until we have the power


Party Rules
The Rules Of The Republican Party As adopted by the 2004 Republican National Convention August 30, 2004

BE IT RESOLVED, That the Republican Party is the party of the open door. Ours is the party of liberty, the party of equality of opportunity for all and favoritism for none.

It is the intent and purpose of these rules to encourage and allow the broadest possible participation of all voters in Republican Party activities at all levels and to assure that the Republican Party is open and accessible to all Americans.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the following be and hereby are adopted as the Rules of the Republican Party, comprised of the rules for the election and government of the Republican National Committee until the next national convention, the rules under which delegates and alternate delegates shall be allotted to the respective states in the next national convention and the rules under which such delegates and alternate delegates shall be elected and under which contests shall be considered, and the rules of business of this national convention.

Rules 1-5
Rules 6-10
Rules 11-20
Rules 21-30
Rules 31-41

Correct me if I am wrong, but I read the above to mean that the rules will not be changed until they are voted on at the following national election.

I say hurrah to Louisiana (and the campaign) for challenging the rules and laws there.
Hurrah to the Texans who are contesting county meetings being closed to the public.
Hurrah to Debbie Hopper for all of her work in challenging the Missouri State Executive GOP Director, and filing her challenges.

What happened to your thoughts, (paraphrasing here), The GOP must be held to the strictest standards in regulation and oversight by the people. And no matter the internal structure, there must be record keeping, fair promoting practices. Also, hearings and meetings must be open to the public.

Ok, so say we challenge the breaking of the rules, and the higher powers (RNC) do not rule in our favor, what do we lose? Nothing less than what we would have,if we had said or done nothing.

By challenging them, we are getting it on the record, that they have done this or done that. It was not just allowed!

After doing all we can to keep them on the straight and narrow we can lick our wounds if needs be, but not until then.