Ohio, PA and Great lakes region. Heads up!

[CurtisLow]

"STOP the Great Lakes Water Resources Compact.
It's all about a UN Agenda 21 styled attempt
to take complete control of the Great Lakes
water resources, and take all other private water
rights away from everyone in Ohio, and seven
other states. Ohio's back is up against the
wall on this now. As of March 22, Michigan is
the only state that has not passed any
legislation on the Great Lakes St. Lawrence
River Basin Water Resources Compact in either
legislative chamber. In Wisconsin, Ohio and
Pennsylvania legislation has passed in only
one legislative chamber, but has not become
law. The other four states involved in which
the compact has been signed into law are
New York, Minnesota, Indiana and Illinois.
We don't need the Compact as we already have
a Federal law protecting diversion of
Lake Erie water that was passed in 1986 and
renewed in 2007.
It is called the 'Water Resource Development Act'.
Rep. Mathew Dolan sponsors this new bill to
'protect' our already protected water.
It will do just the opposite! The wording in it
will place all water of the 'Basin' under
state control (public/state trust).
Understand, that the 'Basin' is not the edge of
Lake Erie but extends deep inland. This means
your private wells, ponds and streams will be
put in a 'public/state trust' controlled by the
state. Your GOD given right to water will be
converted to a privilege under state control,
thru the 'public/state trust'. This 'privilege'
can be revoked at anytime by the state and there
is no law to protect you from that if your water
is in a 'public/state trust'.
This is United Nations Agend 21 on steroids.
It is regional sustainable natural resource control. And we don't need
it...Don't want it...and will not stand for it."


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[howmanysheepcanyouherd]

Thanks. We are in Pennsylvania and I really need to understand this better. I've been focusing on HR 1955 and RP here. If you have any good links to learn more about it, send them my way.

[Nirvikalpa]

Yes, please provide links and updates! Here at my college we have a Water Resource Center - I'm sure they would be very interested in hearing about this (my college is in PA)!

[CurtisLow]

I hope this helps...

THESE ARE ALL OF THE LINKS YOU CAN USE TO EDUCATE YOURSELF
ON THE GREAT LAKES - St. LAWRENCE BASIN COMPACT...

Re: Great Lakes Water Resources Compact‏
http://www.cglg.org/projects/water/CompactImplementation.asp#State%20Legislative%20Ac tivity

ALL the KEY CONTACTS broken down state by state. http://www.cglg.org/projects/water/CompactEducation/Key_Contacts.pdf

COMPARISON OF THE AGENDA 21 CHAPTER 18
AND THE GREAT LAKES WATER COMPACT.
Great Lakes Water Compact as passed by the house.
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_HB_416

United Nations Agenda 21 chapter 18.
http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/english/agenda21chapter18.htm

MORE ON UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 21
http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html

Agenda 21 As Posted On The UN Website
http://www.un.org/documents/ga/conf151/aconf15126-1annex1.htm

FREEDOM 21
http://www.freedom21.org/

MORE ON THE GREAT LAKES COMPACT
http://www.greatlakeswaterwars.com/

FULL DETAILS
http://www.cglg.org/projects/water/CompactImplementation.asp#State



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[menoname]

Has Canada agreed with the UN agenda 21???

[CurtisLow]

Has Canada agreed with the UN agenda 21???

I don't know... :confused:

[FrankRep]

If you live in Ohio, click here:


Ohio Freedom Alliance
http://www.OhioFreedom.com/

Forum
http://www.OhioFreedom.com/forum

[Kotin]

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[CurtisLow]

Frequently Asked Questions about the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin WaterResources Compact (aka "Water Compact"):


Q: How is the Great Lakes Basin defined? I don't live on the shore of Lake Erie – does this Compact even affect my own private water rights?

A: The Basin includes all waters north of the Ohio River divide, so this issue does affect the water rights of many Ohioans.

Even if you are located south of the Basin, this issue is a matter of principle and of protecting private water rights; if we violate these rights in one part of our state, we are setting a bad precedent for the rest of Ohio.


Q: Don't we need this Water Compact to ensure that our Great Lakes water isn't diverted outside of the Basin?

A: No. The Water Resources Development Act (WRDA) of 1986 (renewed in 2007) already prevents this diversion. According to property law scholar Mark Squillace [1], "The Water Resources Development Act of 1986 is a remarkable piece of protectionist legislation that prohibits out-of-basin diversions of Great Lakes water without the approval of the governors of all eight Great Lakes Basin states."

The proposed Water Compact does not ensure that future diversions won't occur. If the U.S. Congress decides, at some point in the future, to allow such diversion to non-Basin states, this proposed Water Compact would not prevent such diversions [2].


Q: But why do supporters of the Compact insist that it's urgent to pass this legislation as soon as possible?

A: For no good reason. There are no immediate threats to our Basin water, and the WRDA, which already prevents this diversion, has never been successfully challenged. To claim that our Basin waters are in imminent danger if the Compact is not passed immediately, is simply false.


Q: Why does Sen. Grendell believe that the proposed Dolan version of the Compact poses a threat to our private water rights?

A: Rep. Dolan's version of the Compact states that "[t]he Waters of the Basin are precious public resources and are shared and held in trust by the States." (emphasis added) The Compact defines these "Waters" to include all waters in the Basin, including waters on private property, such as wells, ponds, streams and springs.

If the Council created by this Compact deems it "necessary or convenient" to e.g. monitor, tax and/or limit private well water usage, and to prevent farmers from using the spring and stream water on their own property to water their crops and livestock, this Council may legally tax, limit or prevent such water uses, once Dolan's version of the Compact has been passed and signed into law.

The Environmental Law Committee of the Ohio State Bar Association analyzed Rep. Dolan's version of the Compact, and concluded that the provisions of this Compact "…would effect a massive governmental taking of private real property rights in Ohio [3]."


Q: Wow! If Rep. Dolan's proposed Compact is such a threat to private water rights, why do so many people support it? Surely all of these people aren't mistaken.

A: These Compact supporters are either ignorant of the true legal content of this legislation, or they genuinely want a Council composed of 8 state governors and 2 Canadian provinces' premiers to dictate all water usage in Ohio, including private groundwater.

Certain Ohio Representatives who voted for Dolan's version of the Compact later expressed disbelief that the legal implications regarding threats to private water rights were not explained to them before this legislation came up for a vote. If our legislators are being hoodwinked into passing this legislation, is it surprising that the media and general public are equally ignorant about this issue?

Q: Sen. Grendell has proposed a different version of the Compact. What's the difference between his new version, and Rep. Dolan's version?

A: Rep. Dolan's version does not protect private water rights, as discussed above. Sen. Grendell's version excludes "tributary groundwater and nonnavigable surface waters" from regulation by the Compact, and it ensures that any water usage permitted before Feb. 1, 2008, will continue to be allowed after the Compact is passed. Sen. Grendell's version of the Compact explicitly protects private water rights for Ohioans.


Q: What can I do to ensure that our private water rights aren't usurped by the government?

A: There are numerous things you can do:



Call, email and/or write the Ohio Representative and Senator from your area and ask them not to support Rep. Dolan's version of the Compact, H.B. 416. Ask them either to support Sen. Grendell's version, S.B. 291, or to support no Compact at all. You can locate your legislators' names and contact info by entering your home zip code at the following link: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/

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[CurtisLow]

Leaders eager to enforce Agenda 21 policies encourage Public-Private Partnerships with willing corporations, developers and others.
As a result, Australian businesses are becoming nationalized and
private property is being abolished.

IS THIS WHAT WE IN THE USA ARE HEADED FOR?
AGENDA 21= GREAT LAKES WATER COMPACT.

Are you prepared?

Agenda for the 21st Century Invades Australia
by Diane Ross Monday, 07 January 2008

The vanguard implementation of Agenda 21 policies will pummel the Australian landscape. Leaders eager to enforce Agenda 21 encourage Public-Private Partnerships with willing corporations, developers and others. These alliances create nationalized businesses and erode private property ownership.
Environmental groups sanction and aid Agenda 21 policies. They are funded by organizations such as the Rockefeller Foundation.

Unsuspecting citizens are misled by buzz words such as:
Sustainable Development
Smart Growth
Taking Care of the Planet
Climate Change
Global Warming
And other similar language

Following are reports from concerned Australians:


Australia Earth Dialogues July 2006

'Earth Dialogues' was held in Brisbane Australia in July 2006. This was the first time the conference was held outside of Europe. Mikhail Gorbachev as the keynote speaker.

The theme was ?A World Forum for Resource Management and Sustainable Development.? The event was chaired by Mikhail Gorbachev of Green Cross International and the Honorable Peter Beattie, Premier of Queensland.

Speakers encouraged the audience, including many children, to ?care for the environment.? In one session, children were taught to sing a song of praise for Gorbachev and Green Cross International.

The speakers promoted a ?new vision? and a ?new future?

These included:
Eco-friendly gardens
High rise development
Eco-friendly modes of transportion, e.g., eliminate cars, replace cars with bicycles, use buses, etc.
Create ?healthy cities.?
College and school teachers in attendance were very enthusiastic. Did they fail to understand that the candy coated offerings directly resulted from the 1992 Earth Summit which first advocated ?Agenda 21/Sustainable Development??

The children were encouraged to denounce national sovereignty and embrace a global government.

The principal objectives were:
To accept the Earth Charter
Establish an Asian Pacific Region office of Green Cross International
And Implement International Law
There was no debate nor was contrary voice heard. People were shown pictures of the terrible disasters that destroy the environment. The Earth Charter was presented as the only solution to the ?global environment crisis?.

The media downplayed the event by portraying it as an event for children. The Earth Dialogues goal is to create crises, then resolve them by taking control of water, land and business through International Laws and United Nations intervention.

Land Use
In 2001, the Constitution of Queensland was replaced with the New Queensland Constitution. It is being changed continually. It was lauded as the ?new regime? by politicians in Parliament . In essence, the government of Queensland has been turned into a Corporation and is no longer a governing body. Their letterhead now reads the ?Bigalow Corporation.? The government uses land as its wealth base and collateral.

Linda Hewitt, Vice Chair of Australian Beef Association: Upper Darling, stated that Iduring October, 2007, several Queensland court cases in the High Court of Australia ruled to turn land ownership over to the State government. She suggests that Australia needs a Bill of Rights to protect the people and their property.

An American, who attempted to purchase property in California and especially in Santa Cruz County became so disillusioned with the bureaucracy and red tape. He investigated Australia, thinking it was the ?new frontier? for freedom. After an internet search on ?buying land in Western Australia?, he was shocked to find that Agenda 21 anti-private property policies were alive, well and moving full speed ahead in Australia.

He found ?The Bush Brokers Manual?, a guide to buying, selling and owning Bush in Western Australia. He found that one can buy land, but can?t do anything with it.

Agenda 21 covenants decree that you cannot:
Divert water courses
Excavate for minerals
Cut native grass
Etc? without bureaucratic permission

?The Bush Brokers Manual? is a partnership between:
World Wide Fund (WWF) for Nature Australia, a conservation organization with 5 million supporters
A network of more than 90 countries
Real Estate Institute of Western Australia (WA)
Soil and Land Conservation Council (WA)
With support by Environment Australia?s Bushcare Program under The Natural Heritage Trust
There are numerous reports of Community Planning and Comprehensive Plans such as the South East (SE) Queensland Regional Plan. This plan was established in April 2004 with continuing updates. It consists of layer on layer of bureaucracies whose goal is to reach ?Smart State Vision.?

They operate under policy headings such as:
Sustainability
Natural Resources
Urban Development
Infrastructure
Water Management
Integrated Transport

The objectives include:
Compact urban forms, high density housing with minimum impact on natural resources
Low levels of water usage, energy consumption and waste generation
High levels of reuse of natural resources and waste products
Buildings designed to maximize climatic benefits and reduce energy demand
Activity Centers focused around public transport hubs
An emphasis on biodiversity
Contain urban development within the ?urban footprint?
Plans to support walking, cycling and public transport
Reduce dependence on private car travel.
An interesting note is that, according to the plan, the lack of full scientific certainty is not used as a reason for ?postponing measures to prevent environmental degradation.? The Sustainable Development political agenda attacks and erodes the right to property.

Water
The Federal Government is aggressively pursuing the Murray-Darling Basin in Australia. The intent is to create a Public-Private Partnership to 'privatize' the Basin?s water. Aggressive move to 'privatize' government assets including water, started over 25 years ago.

The primary goal for privatizing water is to separate ownership of water from the land, then increase the price. This is profitable for government and the new partner (big money interests). Since ?the less water there is, the more one can charge?. There is no incentive to expand water supplies. When government, companies and non government organizations (NGO?s) take over the water supply maintenance, repairs and upgrades become unreliable.

Another reason to shrink water supplies is to cut-off water allocations and divert ever increasing quantities into ?environment flows?. The Murray Darling supplies 71% of irrigated crops and feeds 61% of Australians. This threatens the region's economic state of the national food supply.

When land title was separated from water title,:
Trading was allowed
Water prices escalated by 300%
Farmers were devastated
The Federal Government has not conducted a ?social impact? study for new water legislation despite independent study warnings that small and medium-sized farms will be forced out of business by the price of water.

Treated Sewage Effluent into Drinking Water [See Laurence Jones' Australia Water History for additional information]

The Queensland Premier, supported by the Prime Minister and Cabinet decided to force the introduction of treated sewage effluent into public drinking water. The Federal Government is supplying partial project funding. No long term health studies have been conducted on communities using treated sewage effluent. The Queensland State Government has been distributing misleading and incorrect information on this issue and failed to prevent using residents as guinea pigs.

Children, sick, aged and infirm persons are most at risk from water-borne pathogens and viruses. Citizens have not been informed that 'direct ' potable reuse, toilet pipe-to-tap pipe after treatment, is planned, not 'indirect. ' For 'indirect' potable reuse, water travels through a dam or aquifer before entering your tap.

No long term health studies have been conducted on any community consuming treated sewage effluent. This effluent is sourced from hospitals, industry, homes and abattoirs. It is then indirectly or directly inserted into public drinking water supply mains in percentages ranging up to 100% in Queensland.

The Federal Government has been trying to introduce this concept since 1992.

[mizrae]

It's not just the Great Lakes either. There is a bill now before the house:


H.R. 2421: Clean Water Restoration Act of 2007
(http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2421)
To amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to clarify the jurisdiction of the United States over waters of the United States.

All across this nation, our natural resources are being controlled by "outside" sources like Unesco, which is part of the U.N.

[CurtisLow]

It's not just the Great Lakes either. There is a bill now before the house:



All across this nation, our natural resources are being controlled by "outside" sources like Unesco, which is part of the U.N.

BUMP WRITE OR CALL YOUR REP

[pcosmar]

We have a Democratic representative in the UP trying to get Water Meters on private wells.

I am Opposed. :mad:

[CurtisLow]

Announcing a new meeting for DEFEAT THE GREAT LAKES-St. LAWRENCE WATER RESOURCES COMPACT!

What: Geauga Constitutional Council Meeting

When: Tuesday, May 6, 7:00 PM

Where: Click the link below to find out!

Who should come: Anybody concerned about the loss of their constitutional prtivate property rights.

Why: AGENDA WILL BE: Discuss promotion of next public forum and assign people to Grendell / Dolan debate on Sat., May 10, 2008.

Meeting Description: The public forum with Senator Tim Grendell, on May 1st at Chardon Middle School, worked out very well. There were about 70 people there. Next public forum with Senator Grendell, ( Mon., May 12, 2008 - 6:30 P.M.) at West Geauga High School cafeteria. We expect a significantly larger crowd at this one.
There are a few dedicated people in Geauga county working hard to inform the public about the Great Lakes Compact. And they deserve our support.
I would like to thank Ed Corsi for his continued drive and efforts.
Several members are key members of some of our Ron Paul for president MeetUp groups as well. And I want to thank them for staying involved and defending our constitution as well. (you know who you are)

Get out to this meeting if you can.
Thanks
Tumbleweed Steve

Learn more here:
http://usconstitution.meetup.com/26/calendar/7868937/

[CurtisLow]

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