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Bigvick
04-28-2008, 01:50 PM
I apologize if this was already posted..


http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/04/28/mccain-should-worry-about-ron-paul/


As I touched on earlier in Videos of the Week, Ron Paul had his best primary finish ever in Pennsylvania this pat Tuesday. From a campaign press release:
Presidential candidate Ron Paul received at least 128,111 votes, or 16 percent, in the closed Republican Pennsylvania primary yesterday. Dr. Paul made four stops in the Keystone State during the month of April and spoke to overflow crowds of young people and other passionate supporters.

"Americans are hungry for leadership that will protect the traditions that made our country so great," said campaign spokesman Jesse Benton. "Dr. Paul's grassroots supporters in Pennsylvania and across the country are doing a tremendous job spreading our message, winning votes and laying a strong foundation for the future."
16% is nothing to sneeze at, even if you take into account much lower turnout due to the fact that the Republicans already have a nominee. The mainstream press has pretty much ignored the result, as usual, but to paraphrase George Clinton, they have no concept of the truly awesome power of a fully operational Ron Paul Revolution. After the jump, what could happen, and I'll tell you where to find the story of the Ron Paul interview that never was.

The worst-case scenario for McCain is that Ron Paul makes an even bigger splash in North Carolina and Indiana, a very real possibility. Paul's internet guerillas specialize in exploiting statistical weaknesses like a low-turnout primary. If Paul were to crack 20% in either of those states, a narrative will begin to build. The press, not known for originality, will likely recycle the "buyer's remorse" storyline that they used on Obama.

What does Paul have to gain from all of this? Maybe not much, beyond a moral victory. Any other candidate could take solace in having his issues advanced and his policy positions influence his party, but that's not going to happen in the Republican Party. Even if Paul miraculously won every remaining state, the "word" is already out on him, and it will seem like nothing more than a bullet dodged.

McCain, however, stands to be hurt significantly by this. With the Democrats engaged in Ultimate Mortal Fighting Kombat, McCain has enjoyed a free ride from the press thus far. Ron Paul getting 20% would put an end to all that, and there's little to prevent it. Even if he was inclined, McCain would be hard-pressed to energize his supporters enough to go out and vote in meaningless contests.

Another problem for McCain is where all those Ron Paul voters will go in November. Most oppose the Iraq War, and are politically engaged enough to know what a McCain presidency would really mean for America. If they vote at all, it will be for the Democrat, or a write-in for Paul.

That leaves McCain at the mercy of the will of the Ron Paul Revolutionaries. They've come to the edge of this ridge before, but have failed to charge down it. Can they get Ron Paul over the 20% mark? Time will tell, but I wouldn't bet the farm against them

Jeremy
04-28-2008, 01:51 PM
If they vote at all, it will be for the Democrat, or a write-in for Paul.

This isn't true. =)

If not a write-in we'll just vote 3rd party... sheesh, some people still think you can only vote for one of two people

SeanEdwards
04-28-2008, 02:19 PM
This isn't true. =)

If not a write-in we'll just vote 3rd party... sheesh, some people still think you can only vote for one of two people

I think the Ron Paul votes will end up all over the place. One thing I think is certain though, and that is that relatively few of them will support McCain. The GOP has acted all along like it didn't want Ron Paul supporters inside the so-called big GOP tent, and I think they are going to reap what they sowed.

I'm very hopeful that a resounding crushing defeat for the GOP this November will signal the death of the party. Good riddance.

JS4Pat
04-28-2008, 02:30 PM
I'm very hopeful that a resounding crushing defeat for the GOP this November will signal the death of the party. Good riddance. Me too - well actually - I'm not hoping for death - just a GOP "heartbeat" that can be revived and tranformed into the Party that Goldwater and Reagan envisioned. :)

NCGOPer_for_Paul
04-28-2008, 02:33 PM
Me too - well actually - I'm not hoping for death - just a GOP "heartbeat" that can be revived and tranformed into the Party that Goldwater and Reagan envisioned. :)

Here, here.

And there are plenty of us ready to pick up the flag and lead the party back to it's limited government, personal liberty, and Constitutional roots.

G-Wohl
04-28-2008, 03:08 PM
Me too - well actually - I'm not hoping for death - just a GOP "heartbeat" that can be revived and tranformed into the Party that Goldwater and Reagan envisioned. :)

Nah, I'm hoping for the death of the party. It's far-served its useful purpose, and is now just a gigantic burden to all those who fight for freedom in the US.

The LP should take its place. ;)

ronpaulhawaii
04-28-2008, 03:13 PM
... overflow crowds of young people and other passionate supporters.

"Americans are hungry for leadership that will protect the traditions that made our country so great," said campaign spokesman Jesse Benton. "Dr. Paul's grassroots supporters in Pennsylvania and across the country are doing a tremendous job spreading our message, winning votes and laying a strong foundation for the future."

... but to paraphrase George Clinton, they have no concept of the truly awesome power of a fully operational Ron Paul Revolution.

The worst-case scenario for McCain is that Ron Paul makes an even bigger splash in North Carolina and Indiana, a very real possibility. Paul's internet guerillas specialize in exploiting statistical weaknesses like a low-turnout primary. If Paul were to crack 20% in either of those states, a narrative will begin to build. The press, not known for originality, will likely recycle the "buyer's remorse" storyline that they used on Obama.

...

McCain, however, stands to be hurt significantly by this. With the Democrats engaged in Ultimate Mortal Fighting Kombat, McCain has enjoyed a free ride from the press thus far. Ron Paul getting 20% would put an end to all that, and there's little to prevent it. Even if he was inclined, McCain would be hard-pressed to energize his supporters enough to go out and vote in meaningless contests.

....

That leaves McCain at the mercy of the will of the Ron Paul Revolutionaries. They've come to the edge of this ridge before, but have failed to charge down it. Can they get Ron Paul over the 20% mark? Time will tell, but I wouldn't bet the farm against them


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angelatc
04-28-2008, 03:19 PM
Me too - well actually - I'm not hoping for death - just a GOP "heartbeat" that can be revived and tranformed into the Party that Goldwater and Reagan envisioned. :)

Exactly. After the rats abandon the sinking ship, we can plug the holes and then set sail.

RP4EVER
04-28-2008, 04:24 PM
Ya know Ive been doing some math; we lack 56,545 votes from matching the numbers of the Libertarians; Constitiounalists; and Independent Totals from the 2004 General Election; wonder if we can get those 56,545 votes...as a statement.

nate895
04-28-2008, 04:26 PM
Ya know Ive been doing some math; we lack 56,545 votes from matching the numbers of the Libertarians; Constitiounalists; and Independent Totals from the 2004 General Election; wonder if we can get those 56,545 votes...as a statement.

With what we got in PA, I am thinking we will get that in just the next two primaries.

BIG_J
04-28-2008, 04:30 PM
When the GOP dies; I will hate paying for a few socialist programs; about 15k more total over 8 years..However, my children will thank me that we got rid of the worst leaders in American history.

Well worth 8 years and 15k.

RP4EVER
04-28-2008, 04:43 PM
With what we got in PA, I am thinking we will get that in just the next two primaries.

At least probably twice that much; I hope so at least; Im emailing everyone I know in Indiana and North Carolina to gather votes for Ron.

People we are making history; whatever happens; I dont think the establishment can ignore us post November.

nate895
04-28-2008, 04:53 PM
When the GOP dies; I will hate paying for a few socialist programs; about 15k more total over 8 years..However, my children will thank me that we got rid of the worst leaders in American history.

Well worth 8 years and 15k.

Don't let it die, just take it over in the next cycle. Imagine, the caucus/convention process has healthier turnout in Presidential Election years, so imagine it in mid term years. Get yourself in the party infrastructure. Imagine having a chorus of endorsements for the next liberty candidate.

kigol
04-28-2008, 06:09 PM
:)

TruthAtLast
04-28-2008, 06:13 PM
Don't let it die, just take it over in the next cycle. Imagine, the caucus/convention process has healthier turnout in Presidential Election years, so imagine it in mid term years. Get yourself in the party infrastructure. Imagine having a chorus of endorsements for the next liberty candidate.

+1

aravoth
04-28-2008, 06:23 PM
They've come to the edge of this ridge before, but have failed to charge down it.

Take that hill!

torchbearer
04-28-2008, 06:29 PM
Take that hill!

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