John McCain's DISLOYALTY to the NCGOP!!!

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

John McCain has told the NCGOP to stop running an ad attacking the two ultra-liberal Democrat candidates for governor. The ad uses the Obamanation's pastor's hate rhetoric and then pulls in articles stating where the two candidates support Obama.

There is nothing wrong with this FACTUAL attack on liberal politicians.

Why would John McCain tell a State Party who SUPPORTS him to stop running an ad that helps him?

They call us disloyal?

Let's support the NCGOP and keep this ad running and stick it in McCain's face. Tell him to butt the f--k out of NC politics. Maybe we might get the NCGOP to back another Presidential candidate while we're at it.

NORTH CAROLINA REPUBLICAN PARTY
1506 Hillsborough Street • Raleigh, NC 27605
Phone: 919-828-6423 • Fax: 919-899-3815 • www.NCGOP.org

Dear Friends,

The Democrat candidates for President have descended on North Carolina. They are covering the airwaves with their far left, hate America message.

Both Democrat candidates for Governor, Beverly Perdue and Richard Moore, share Barack Obama's political beliefs and embrace his extremist positions. In fact, Beverly Perdue and Richard Moore agree so completely with where Barck Obama is trying to take our country that both have endorsed him for President.

I want you to see this preview of an ad we made taking Barack Obama, Beverly Perdue, and Richard Moore to task for their anti-American liberal hate speech.

http://www.ncgop.org/home/index.asp

I really need your help to get this ad on the air. I know the liberals in the media, the Democrat Party, and maybe even some Republicans will condemn this ad as politically incorrect. But we can't count on them to get the truth about Barack Obama, Beverly Perdue and Richard Moore to the voters.

We must take this message straight to the citizens of North Carolina, and for that matter, the rest of our great country and let them know that Barack Obama, Beverly Perdue, and Richard Moore are just too extreme and don't share or represent our North Carolina Values.

It costs over $100,000 dollars to run this ad every week. I don't have the money to keep it on TV past this Friday. Please click here and send a donation of $25, $50, $100, $250, $500, or $1000 to keep this ad running. The most you can send is $10,000, but every single penny helps.

We must go around the liberals that control the media to get this message directly to the voters. Please forward this message to your friends and family and encourage them to donate today to help keep this ad on the air.

God bless,

Linda Daves
North Carolina Republican Party Chairman

P.S. – We need money ASAP to make sure this ad stays on the air, please donate today.

PAID FOR BY THE NORTH CAROLINA REPUBLICAN STATE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
Not Authorized by any Candidate or Candidate Committee
http://www.ncgop.org

[MozoVote]

North Carolina voted for Ronald Reagan over President Gerald Ford in 1976, giving him enough momentum to keep his campaign going to convention day. I won't predict a Paul win, but we do have traditions of deciding for ourselves.

[slacker921]

"We must go around the liberals that control the media to get this message directly to the voters."
..... the same media who helped force McCain on us? eh?

[MozoVote]

At least Linda Daves (the state GOP Chairman) is willing to go to bat for the 1st and 2nd Amendment, over McCain's objections.

WBT radio radio here, has been slapping McCain around ever since the illegal immigration bill. I would not be surprised if this is a move by the state GOP to "cut the cord" with McCain a bit. They could be more interested in winning county and legislative seats, and don't want this year's voting strength diluted too much by aligning closely with him.

[MozoVote]

Some more press about the ad:

http://www.charlotte.com/112/story/593030.html

I'd admit this ad is low-blow-politics-as-usual and Rev Wright does not have much to do with NC issues - however it does put pressure on the Dem candidates here to distance themselves from Obama, and some of them have endorsed him (and by implication the types of people Obama surrounds himself with and the limp explanations Obama offers for maintaining those relationships).

[rancher89]

This could be interesting, the state gop putting distance between them and the presidential candidate forced on them by the national gop. It's a shame the NCGOP wants to run the ad. :(

IMHO The ad is very negative and the pastor stuff is very offensive--do we really want to associate ourselves with this sort of thing? :eek:

It may gain RP supporters more in press and publicity and good will amongst the popular voters to NOT support the running of the ad. We could show that we can stand on our own two feet, so to speak, here in NC. :D Tho it won't help our positions in the gop by bucking the wishes of the higher ups?!?!?! :confused:

My heart says not to support the ad, but that puts me on mccains side arrgghhh :eek:

Kudos to Bob Orr for not supporting the ad!

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

What would Ron Paul do?

Ron Paul would allow an individual state make its own decision on what ads to run for a state race.

Ron Paul would not attack a state party.

I don't love the ad, but this Jeremiah Wright character is scary. Obama is scary. North Carolina can ill afford another Democrat governor willing to give away more and more entitlements while our economy goes to hell.

The pastor's comments are offensive to me, and need to be played over and over and over again. Our nation needs to hear this HATRED. Sure, we have warts, thaks to neo-connery, but I still love this country. Racism and victimhood over skin color has no place. Reminding people that a CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT refuses to condemn this kind of hate speech is not negative.

Bob Orr is free to support/oppose to his heart's content. Bob Orr is a North Carolina candidate.

[rancher89]

What would Ron Paul do?

Ron Paul would allow an individual state make its own decision on what ads to run for a state race.

Ron Paul would not attack a state party.

I don't love the ad, but this Jeremiah Wright character is scary. Obama is scary. North Carolina can ill afford another Democrat governor willing to give away more and more entitlements while our economy goes to hell.

The pastor's comments are offensive to me, and need to be played over and over and over again. Our nation needs to hear this HATRED. Sure, we have warts, thaks to neo-connery, but I still love this country. Racism and victimhood over skin color has no place. Reminding people that a CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT refuses to condemn this kind of hate speech is not negative.

Bob Orr is free to support/oppose to his heart's content. Bob Orr is a North Carolina candidate.


I know what you are saying is true, but I think that Ron Paul wouldn't use the ad tho--

[MozoVote]

Linda Daves was on WBT this morning. She said she supports McCain and wants him to be president, but that it's too important for the governor's race not to bring support for Obama and his associations to the public.

WBT is speculating that there is a "good cop, bad cop" dynamic at work... that this is all orchestrated, and that McCain is fine with it all.

I kind of doubt that. North Carolina is one of the few states that conducts a governor's race simulataneously with a presidential race. McCain wants to reach out to "moderates". The state GOP needs to fire up its base and pry away some conservative Dems.

I also strongly suspect that Linda is getting an earful from influential conservative party members, that don't like McCain much anyway and care a lot more about local issues.

This will all make for interesting politics at state convention, if the NCGOP continues to put state priorities first. Paulites and traditional GOP bigwigs may align on some party planks and repudiate McCain.

[BenIsForRon]

Guys, you are missing the point. The NC GOP is realeasing this ad before the democratic primary! This is obviously an effort to scare people into voting for Hillary. So you have to ask yourself: why is the NC GOP so interested in changing the outcome of the democratic race?

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Linda Daves was on WBT this morning. She said she supports McCain and wants him to be president, but that it's too important for the governor's race not to bring support for Obama and his associations to the public.

WBT is speculating that there is a "good cop, bad cop" dynamic at work... that this is all orchestrated, and that McCain is fine with it all.

I kind of doubt that. North Carolina is one of the few states that conducts a governor's race simulataneously with a presidential race. McCain wants to reach out to "moderates". The state GOP needs to fire up its base and pry away some conservative Dems.

I also strongly suspect that Linda is getting an earful from influential conservative party members, that don't like McCain much anyway and care a lot more about local issues.

This will all make for interesting politics at state convention, if the NCGOP continues to put state priorities first. Paulites and traditional GOP bigwigs may align on some party planks and repudiate McCain.

Exactly! I gave $100 to keep the ads running, and gave an earful to the nice guy manning the phones in Raleigh.

I told him that if McCain wants to butt into NC politics, we can tell him to take a hike, and there are other candidates on the ballot for NC Republicans to vote for. The guy AGREED with me!

My whole point about siding with Linda and the conservative wing of the NCGOP is to buddy up and maybe get some national delegates out of it at State Convention, as well as get some support for platform planks.

[BenIsForRon]

Ok NCGOP'er, are you behind this ad simply to be on the good side of the NC GOP? We don't have to suck up to these people. For the most part, they are happy to see so many new people in the party. If they passed a resolution to get behind the NAFTA highway, would you be for that too?

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Guys, you are missing the point. The NC GOP is realeasing this ad before the democratic primary! This is obviously an effort to scare people into voting for Hillary. So you have to ask yourself: why is the NC GOP so interested in changing the outcome of the democratic race?

So what. If it didn't matter, why the hell is John McCain butting in?

It is better for EVERYONE if Hillary wins the primary. It keeps the Democrats in chaos.

Anyway, this is about associating Bev Perdue and Richard Moore with Obama. It's really NOT about the presidential race, and more about the governor's race. Hence, McCain ought to shut his trap and let North Carolina handle their own races.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Ok NCGOP'er, are you behind this ad simply to be on the good side of the NC GOP? We don't have to suck up to these people. For the most part, they are happy to see so many new people in the party. If they passed a resolution to get behind the NAFTA highway, would you be for that too?


No, I am a North Carolina Republican who happens to be a Ron Paul supporter.

As for your second point -- Hell the f--k NO!!!

[BenIsForRon]

Ok, well then I just disagree with you on how adults should act in a political race. This is bottom of the barrel politics. You know many people in the GOP have claimed that Ron Paul is too extreme. This is straight fear tactics out of Karl Rove's playbook, scare the electorate into voting for your candidates.

[slacker921]

it's a PR stunt.. plain and simple. The GOP knows it's lost loads of voters in the last year. Bob Orr mentioned it on his blog. ncvoter.org is tracking it. the NCGOP has to get voters away from Obama and the state races are their top priority.

On Charlotte Talks (NPR show.. very good.. google it..) yesterday two of the callers were Republicans who were going to vote for Obama. No Republicans called in to support McCain. If the Paul campaign acts fast they can gather a bunch of votes in NC and further erode the support for McCain.

[rancher89]

it's a PR stunt.. plain and simple. The GOP knows it's lost loads of voters in the last year. Bob Orr mentioned it on his blog. ncvoter.org is tracking it. the NCGOP has to get voters away from Obama and the state races are their top priority.

On Charlotte Talks (NPR show.. very good.. google it..) yesterday two of the callers were Republicans who were going to vote for Obama. No Republicans called in to support McCain. If the Paul campaign acts fast they can gather a bunch of votes in NC and further erode the support for McCain.

What do you suggest the RP campaign do? Sorry to say, they won't do anything, he's coming to NC to two small venues--paid ticket required, on one day and that's it. No ads, no campaigning, no support or materials from them, nothing. We're on our own here.

I just got an email from PA, they want to come down and help, where do I send them?? Does anybody have anything going on this weekend where I can send some outside the state help????

To heck w/the ad, I want people knocking on doors and talking to people.

[MozoVote]

I saw CNN did a piece on this ad yesterday during lunchtime, it's still in the news now as a couple of stations won't play it.

My guess is that it will play for a few more days, and the story will quietly pass as volunteers stop paying for it. We'll just have to see if McCain causes any more dust-ups with the state GOP.

It's ugly politics, but I think in the end the NCGOP is doing a public service. There are people who have not seen Wright's YouTubes - and voters should know what kind of hyperbole is in these sermons that Obama and his family have been listening to.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

I saw CNN did a piece on this ad yesterday during lunchtime, it's still in the news now as a couple of stations won't play it.

My guess is that it will play for a few more days, and the story will quietly pass as volunteers stop paying for it. We'll just have to see if McCain causes any more dust-ups with the state GOP.

It's ugly politics, but I think in the end the NCGOP is doing a public service. There are people who have not seen Wright's YouTubes - and voters should know what kind of hyperbole is in these sermons that Obama and his family have been listening to.


I agree.

I don't love this ad, and I don't really like this style of campaigning. HOWEVER, when it becomes necessary to roll in the mud and muck to stop the spread of socialism, I'll be the first one there.

Obama is scary. So are Perdue and Moore. If one of them win, and they get their agenda passed, someone in my financial position will see at least $2500 a year in increased State taxes. Not to mention, more state control in other aspects of my life. It is worth it for the future of our State and the future of our Nation to expose these sociialist loonies and expose Obama's true feelings.

Also, I felt if Ron Paul supporters in NC could have sent a total of 10k or more to support the party, Ms. Daves would have given us a little more of a voice at State Convention. She'd owe us, and WOULD give us a place to advance our common agreements.

[rancher89]

I agree.

I don't love this ad, and I don't really like this style of campaigning. HOWEVER, when it becomes necessary to roll in the mud and muck to stop the spread of socialism, I'll be the first one there.

Obama is scary. So are Perdue and Moore. If one of them win, and they get their agenda passed, someone in my financial position will see at least $2500 a year in increased State taxes. Not to mention, more state control in other aspects of my life. It is worth it for the future of our State and the future of our Nation to expose these sociialist loonies and expose Obama's true feelings.

Also, I felt if Ron Paul supporters in NC could have sent a total of 10k or more to support the party, Ms. Daves would have given us a little more of a voice at State Convention. She'd owe us, and WOULD give us a place to advance our common agreements.

agreed, mostly......I just want to think we are above the muck and can do the job without it.

as to the donations to the gop, I can't, in good conscience, give them any money until the neocons are out of power.....I won't support THEM

[rancher89]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=134427

[BenIsForRon]

Can anyone here say what exactly was wrong with what Pastor Wright said? He was simply talking about blowback, like Ron Paul was months ago in the debates. If you listen to more of Wright's speech than the three second soundbites, then you will see that he is saying many of the same things we have been saying.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Can anyone here say what exactly was wrong with what Pastor Wright said? He was simply talking about blowback, like Ron Paul was months ago in the debates. If you listen to more of Wright's speech than the three second soundbites, then you will see that he is saying many of the same things we have been saying.

Incredible.:rolleyes:

There's parts of Farrakhan's speeches that echo similar refrains. Do we like him too?

[MozoVote]

Some snippets of his speech made sense. Heck some snippets of the Unabomber manifesto and Osama Bin Laden's comminique's have made sense. The the overall context was that of a wild-eyed extremist. There are other YouTubes of him out there... amazing stuff.

What the ad brings to light, is the whole circle of people Obama runs around with. Look into Obama's association with the Weather Underground, and fundamentalist Islamics in Africa. How to Moore and Perdue justify endorsing a presidential candidiate with that kind of judgement? We want a president that will keep the US independent of these kinds of ideologies and foreign entanglements. Obama is certainly not getting my vote.

[rancher89]

But this is the govenors race......

[Dennis Peterson]

I'm with Rancher. We've both been doing our part in the GOP conventions....But last I checked, this was a Ron Paul forum, not a GOP forum. Ron Paul, who never once rolled in the muck. Ron Paul, who's made it clear that he will not support a pro-war GOP candidate. Ron Paul, who's good buddies with Dennis Kucinich, and responded positively to suggestions that he pick Kucinich as VP.

Maybe we should follow his lead.

Anyone can check public records and see that I donated a lot of money to Paul's campaigns. But when the GOP sends me a fundraising letter, they get back their business-reply envelope with nothing but a note suggesting they change their ways. I'm not the only one who does that, and from what I've read, they are starting to notice.

I'm not going to rely on the gratitude of neocons. The GOP needs people like me. I've been a registered Republican for over 20 years, but if they want my support now, they will have to earn it. In the meantime, I, like Paul, will support pro-freedom, pro-peace candidates in any party.

[GunnyFreedom]

What do you suggest the RP campaign do? Sorry to say, they won't do anything, he's coming to NC to two small venues--paid ticket required, on one day and that's it. No ads, no campaigning, no support or materials from them, nothing. We're on our own here.

I just got an email from PA, they want to come down and help, where do I send them?? Does anybody have anything going on this weekend where I can send some outside the state help????

To heck w/the ad, I want people knocking on doors and talking to people.

here here here here here!!!!!!!!!!!

I am attending the 2nd District GOP Concention Saturday AM, but I sesperately desperately desperately need help canvassing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Penners]

Ok, so perhaps Ron Paul would not run the ad. I think it's great... as well as the fact that Rush Limbaugh and Charlotte talk radio is talking about how McCain turned on the NC-GOP. Many listeners have called in and are pissed at McCain for saying NC Republicans are "wrong" and "out of touch with the party".

This is a grand opportunity for RP to make some headway in NC. I have had email correspondence with Jeff Katz (wbt 1110) and encouraged him to remind voters that there are other republicans on our May 6 ballot. I just wish that RP would run an ad that says, John McCain is not the only choice.

As far as whether the ad is appropriate or not? I think it's fine but that doesn't matter. So RP would not run the ad.... I would. I don't agree with any politician on 100% of the issues... folks we are not Koolaid-drinkers here (I hope) ... lets just use this opportunity to our advantage.

I would encourage everyone who hears local discussions on this topic to call the hosts and remind them of RP. Now I guess it's time to write Ms. Daves a note and ask why the hell RP isn't listed as a candidate on the NC-GOP site.

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

I just got back from dropping 400 or so slim-jims near my house in Charlotte.

I had two fairly long conversations with people. One woman told me I was dividing the party and needed to support McCain because the alternatives are just too scary. Whatever... She didn't care to listen to the fact that 30% of the party is so opposed to McCain that they won't even vote for him in a "meaningless" primary.

Another older gentleman had no idea if Paul was still in the race or not, but was spitting nails at the thought of McCain being the nominee. AND, HE WAS LIVID AT MCCAIN'S COMMENTS! I told him that McCain hasn't won anything yet, and North Carolina could change the complexion of the race. I think I got a vote :).

This ad could be worth 2-3 NATIONAL DELEGATES IN NORTH CAROLINA!! Have you thought of it that way?

With Limbaugh talking it up, the Nevada convention today, and a few other regional conventions coming up, this ad could be worth DOZENS of NATIONAL DELEGATES!

[Doktor_Jeep]

Guys, you are missing the point. The NC GOP is realeasing this ad before the democratic primary! This is obviously an effort to scare people into voting for Hillary. So you have to ask yourself: why is the NC GOP so interested in changing the outcome of the democratic race?

Hilary is part of the same political machine as Bush, and there is a concerted effort to get her elected, by by so-called conservatives. Listen to the conservative sock-puppets rag on Obama all day, and they make little mention of Hitlery.

This is all a show to get Hitlery in.

[BenIsForRon]

Incredible.:rolleyes:

There's parts of Farrakhan's speeches that echo similar refrains. Do we like him too?

Ok, so what parts of Reverend Wrights speeches wore incorrect or extremist again?