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LEK
04-22-2008, 12:33 PM
I can see why Ron Paul called his new book "A Manifesto" - hinting at the infamous Communist Manifesto published by Engels and Marx in 1848. Below are measures Engels and Marx advocated in their book. Each one has an antithesis that Ron Paul has faught for. I haven't read Ron Paul's book yet but I would venture to guess each of these measures is dealt with in some manner as regarding the current economical and political state of the USA. This country is heading towards socialism/communism. I understand even better Ron Paul's passion to save the Republic.

What blows my mind most is that Marx was a moral reprobate. He refused to work. He refused to take care of his own family. Yet his ideas are embraced and followed...

From The Communist Manifesto:

1. The abolition of private property and inheritance rights.
2. The redistribution of wealth through heavy, progressive income tax.
3. A central state bank to control all credit and to maniputlate the nation's currency.
4. Government control of all means of communication and transportation.
5. Government ownership of all means of production (factories, farms, mines, power plants, etc.) and all natural resources.
6. The abolition of unemployment through social welfare systems.
7. The redistribution of the population (from sities to rural areas and vise versa).
8. Mandatory state-supported education.

Truth Warrior
04-22-2008, 12:40 PM
Ahhh, but Marx was an anti-capitalist. The socialists just love to suck all of that garbage up. :rolleyes:

BTW, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/manifesto

jclay2
04-22-2008, 01:05 PM
From The Communist Manifesto:

1. The abolition of private property and inheritance rights.
2. The redistribution of wealth through heavy, progressive income tax.
3. A central state bank to control all credit and to maniputlate the nation's currency.
4. Government control of all means of communication and transportation.
5. Government ownership of all means of production (factories, farms, mines, power plants, etc.) and all natural resources.
6. The abolition of unemployment through social welfare systems.
7. The redistribution of the population (from sities to rural areas and vise versa).
8. Mandatory state-supported education.

I think I just puked reading that. Every thing up there is completely against everything I stand for.

Renegades
04-22-2008, 01:42 PM
I have a friend who is a Marxist. He says our belief of freedom, liberty, etc, fall flat because it is a moral argument and that based on history the world is destined for a one nation socialist utopia. Funny that he hates the book 1984 though.

pinkmandy
04-22-2008, 02:29 PM
I have a friend who is a Marxist. He says our belief of freedom, liberty, etc, fall flat because it is a moral argument and that based on history the world is destined for a one nation socialist utopia. Funny that he hates the book 1984 though.


What's so moral about the most powerful and corrupt people in the world controlling everything? That's what I don't get regarding the utopia idea. Do these people really think that the power hungry are just going stop and disappear into the background for the good of all mankind? Wth goes through their minds? Really? When the UN "peacekeepers" start raping women and girls in their towns who is going to stop them or care?

I also find it funny that those who push for Marxist ideas seem to envision themselves as leaders, elites called to lead the masses to happiness...they tend to not envision themselves as "part of the masses" working in a shoe factory or something. :rolleyes: Who does the dirty work in utopia and who gets to decide? No thanks.

amy31416
04-22-2008, 02:54 PM
My favorite manifesto so far is The S.C.U.M Manifesto by Solanas. I suspect RP's will outdo it though. ;)

AutoDas
04-22-2008, 03:09 PM
What's so moral about the most powerful and corrupt people in the world controlling everything? That's what I don't get regarding the utopia idea. Do these people really think that the power hungry are just going stop and disappear into the background for the good of all mankind? Wth goes through their minds? Really? When the UN "peacekeepers" start raping women and girls in their towns who is going to stop them or care?

I also find it funny that those who push for Marxist ideas seem to envision themselves as leaders, elites called to lead the masses to happiness...they tend to not envision themselves as "part of the masses" working in a shoe factory or something. :rolleyes: Who does the dirty work in utopia and who gets to decide? No thanks.

Marxists have elitist views. They think they're the intellectuals and the rest of the world is too dumb to do the same. Sorry, but coming up with a crummy philosophy that doesn't apply in the real world won't put bread on my table.

Renegades
04-22-2008, 03:11 PM
Marxists have elitist views. They think they're the intellectuals and the rest of the world is too dumb to do the same. Sorry, but coming up with a crummy philosophy that doesn't apply in the real world won't put bread on my table.

That's exactly it. He is actually a very smart guy, but he does believe he is doing a good thing "educating" everyone.

lucius
04-22-2008, 03:18 PM
What blows my mind most is that Marx was a moral reprobate. He refused to work. He refused to take care of his own family. Yet his ideas are embraced and followed...


Nathan Rothschild had given Marx two checks for several thousand pounds to finance the cause of Socialism. The checks were put on display in the British Museum, after Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild, a trustee, had willed his museum and library to them.

IMHO, Socialism/Marxism has always been a manual of action, a well funded tool of the world financial elite.

Truth Warrior
04-22-2008, 03:46 PM
Nathan Rothschild had given Marx two checks for several thousand pounds to finance the cause of Socialism. The checks were put on display in the British Museum, after Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild, a trustee, had willed his museum and library to them.

IMHO, Socialism/Marxism has always been a manual of action, a well funded tool of the world financial elite.

Hmm? That's very interesting. I hadn't heard that particular story before. It seems like a very reasonable answer to a whole lot of things.

No wonder Karl called for central banks as one of the Manifesto planks! < LOL >

Problem->Reaction->Solution The Hegelian Dialectic at work! Of course!

Thanks!

Anti Federalist
04-22-2008, 04:08 PM
My favorite manifesto so far is The S.C.U.M Manifesto by Solanas. I suspect RP's will outdo it though. ;)

Hah!

And mine is Spanky's from the He-Man Women Haters Club.

lucius
04-22-2008, 04:13 PM
Hmm? That's very interesting. I hadn't heard that particular story before. It seems like a very reasonable answer to a whole lot of things.

No wonder Karl called for central banks as one of the Manifesto planks! < LOL >

Problem->Reaction->Solution The Hegelian Dialectic at work! Of course!

Thanks!

Not a problem!

nate895
04-22-2008, 04:50 PM
I have a friend who is a Marxist. He says our belief of freedom, liberty, etc, fall flat because it is a moral argument and that based on history the world is destined for a one nation socialist utopia. Funny that he hates the book 1984 though.

The world will end in a one-world socialist government. It will be the apocalypse, however, and what will result is utopia brought about the Lord when he comes back to reclaim Earth.

LEK
04-22-2008, 05:56 PM
I also find it funny that those who push for Marxist ideas seem to envision themselves as leaders, elites called to lead the masses to happiness...they tend to not envision themselves as "part of the masses" working in a shoe factory or something. :rolleyes: Who does the dirty work in utopia and who gets to decide? No thanks.

YES!!! What is up with that - all the rules apply to the plebes but WE the enlightened ones live in oppulance.

Elitists, all of them.

LEK
04-22-2008, 05:58 PM
Problem->Reaction->Solution The Hegelian Dialectic at work! Of course!



Exactly...they create the problem and the solution...kind of like how the Amero will solve our financial crisis.

pinkmandy
04-22-2008, 06:06 PM
Exactly...they create the problem and the solution...kind of like how the Amero will solve our financial crisis.

Yes. And genetically modified foods will solve the coming food shortage in the US. Farmers will be paid to switch over their crops and all food in the US will be tainted through cross pollination. It all makes me so sick. :mad:

amy31416
04-22-2008, 06:08 PM
Hah!

And mine is Spanky's from the He-Man Women Haters Club.

:D

Valerie will take care of you and those of your ilk. :)

Anti Federalist
04-22-2008, 09:59 PM
:D

Valerie will take care of you and those of your ilk. :)

Who's gonna build the machines?

Most dames I've ever run into can't change a tire.

:p

dirknb@hotmail.com
04-22-2008, 10:11 PM
Nathan Rothschild had given Marx two checks for several thousand pounds to finance the cause of Socialism. The checks were put on display in the British Museum, after Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild, a trustee, had willed his museum and library to them.

IMHO, Socialism/Marxism has always been a manual of action, a well funded tool of the world financial elite.

"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism, or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite." - Gary Allen

"The state does not function as we desired. A man is at the wheel and seems to lead it, but the car does not drive in the desired direction. It moves as another force wishes." – Vladimir Lenin

Truth Warrior
04-23-2008, 06:03 AM
Exactly...they create the problem and the solution...kind of like how the Amero will solve our financial crisis.
Yep. it usually works like a charm. :p

Diocletian's Problem-Reaction-Solution
A further example of how elites throughout history commit acts of terrorism as a pretext to create enemies and corral populations behind a tyrannical agenda
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/diocletian.html

amy31416
04-23-2008, 06:21 AM
Who's gonna build the machines?

Most dames I've ever run into can't change a tire.

:p

Hey there sonny boy, I've rebuilt carburetors, switched out alternators, I do all my own oil changes, fuel filters, plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc.

I've stripped down autoclaves and pressure vessels and rebuilt them without killing myself (well, there was that one time that a pressure gauge was 5lbs off and things were a bit touch and go.)

But eh, we'll keep ya around to lift the heavy stuff. :D

Truth Warrior
04-23-2008, 06:27 AM
Hey there sonny boy, I've rebuilt carburetors, switched out alternators, I do all my own oil changes, fuel filters, plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc.

I've stripped down autoclaves and pressure vessels and rebuilt them without killing myself (well, there was that one time that a pressure gauge was 5lbs off and things were a bit touch and go.)

But eh, we'll keep ya around to lift the heavy stuff. :D
and to squish the spiders. :D

amy31416
04-23-2008, 06:34 AM
and to squish the spiders. :D

Good point. Taken.

LEK
04-23-2008, 07:27 AM
Hey there sonny boy, I've rebuilt carburetors, switched out alternators, I do all my own oil changes, fuel filters, plugs, wires, distributor caps, etc.

I've stripped down autoclaves and pressure vessels and rebuilt them without killing myself (well, there was that one time that a pressure gauge was 5lbs off and things were a bit touch and go.)

But eh, we'll keep ya around to lift the heavy stuff. :D

Rock on amy!
I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering...and I have common sense. Can you believe it? But I do need help lifting... :D

ARealConservative
04-23-2008, 07:40 AM
I have a friend who is a Marxist. He says our belief of freedom, liberty, etc, fall flat because it is a moral argument and that based on history the world is destined for a one nation socialist utopia. Funny that he hates the book 1984 though.

why would this type of person be a friend at all?

Maybe I'm off base, but I don't willingly associate with black hearts.

Truth Warrior
04-23-2008, 07:43 AM
Rock on amy!
I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering...and I have common sense. Can you believe it? But I do need help lifting... :D

Isn't it called a lever? :D

LEK
04-23-2008, 08:06 AM
Isn't it called a lever? :D

Touché.

Truth Warrior
04-23-2008, 08:14 AM
why would this type of person be a friend at all?

Maybe I'm off base, but I don't willingly associate with black hearts.
Lots of folks just claim to be Marxists in order to establish their own "collective" unique individuality. Ironic ( and moronic ) isn't it? :D

amy31416
04-23-2008, 08:32 AM
Isn't it called a lever? :D

A lever is great, but it can't help in every situation. Like those damned mayonnaise jars. :)

amy31416
04-23-2008, 08:37 AM
Rock on amy!
I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering...and I have common sense. Can you believe it? But I do need help lifting... :D

Wait? Common sense, whatsat?

With a decent manual and a good set of tools, pretty much anything mechanical is not that big of a mystery. Most people are just scared of stuff.

Truth Warrior
04-23-2008, 08:40 AM
A lever is great, but it can't help in every situation. Like those damned mayonnaise jars. :)

Have you seen the new "One Touch" electric jar opener? :D There are multiple other gizmos to help out there ............ all based on the same strength magnification power of the lever.

amy31416
04-23-2008, 08:51 AM
Have you seen the new "One Touch" electric jar opener? :D There are multiple other gizmos to help out there ............ all based on the same strength magnification power of the lever.

:) So you're supporting the replacement of men with gizmos? I don't know if I like where this conversation is headed--or do I? :D

Truth Warrior
04-23-2008, 08:57 AM
:) So you're supporting the replacement of men with gizmos? I don't know if I like where this conversation is headed--or do I? :D
My reasonable guess is that almost all of the gizmos were invented by men. How's that for a conversation heading? :D

amy31416
04-23-2008, 09:04 AM
My reasonable guess is that almost all of the gizmos were invented by men. How's that for a conversation heading? :D

You're probably right. I'm not blinded to facts due to my gender, but there's no reason I'd let that limit me either.

Truth Warrior
04-23-2008, 09:22 AM
You're probably right. I'm not blinded to facts due to my gender, but there's no reason I'd let that limit me either.
The basic unit of humanity is the couple. Each gender corrects, complements and compensates for the defects and weaknesses of the other.

pinkmandy
04-23-2008, 10:03 AM
The basic unit of humanity is the couple. Each gender corrects, complements and compensates for the defects and weaknesses of the other.

Well said.

Truth Warrior
04-23-2008, 10:05 AM
Well said.
Thanks! :)