NAFTA Superhighway has Giuliani as key player

[Lord Xar]

Interesting article I stumbled across:

Quote:


At the center of negotiations for multiple legs of the Superhighway Corridor throughout Texas, is none other than Rudolph Giuliani's law firm which landed the Comprehensive Development Agreement for a widening of Interstate-35, now referred to as the TTC-35, in addition to the Master Development Plans for State Highways 121 and 130 among other legs of the TTC.


Quote:


Most interesting to the whole story is not only has Mr. Giuliani's involvement in the NAFTA Superhighway not ever having been publicly addressed, but how a foreign company is awarded the building of a mass highway system, versus maintaining it, for the first time in U.S. history, and negotiated by the law firm of the top Republican candidate running for President of the United States. And truly disturbing is how such will not only have national and homeland security and sovereignty implications but how it is deliberately being kept away from the Halls of Congress.


http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/grassi/070504

Now - here's part 2 -

Quote:


Officials in Minnesota had been warned since 1990 that the bridge was "structurally deficient" and severely fatigued from the increasing volume of traffic the bridge, which spans the Mississippi River along Interstate 35, was receiving.


North America's SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc. (NASCO), a Dallas-based trade association, also designates I-35 as a NAFTA Superhighway.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57017

Ghoulianis views on Illegal Immigration: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZlvDLT6UbY

[constituent]

i'm glad people are finding out about the corruption behind the ttc.

if it took immigration (on which i stand alone around here) distress, atleast it has people's attention.

we need updates on our transportation infrastructure here in Texas, but the way they are going about it is just plain wrong. also, what is overlooked is the effect of both peoples' and other animals' mobility of a RR, Superhighway, Pipeline, Data and Power grid several miles across will be. Imagine the impact of the border fence times 1000. Couldn't they build it elevated or below ground atleast? if not all of it, couldn't they do part of it that way.

just imagine if the power went out and you ran out of gas (peak oil nightmare scenario) but in the meanwhile, you can't get from point a to point b w/out having to first make your way to little choke points b/c there is no way you could cross it alive...

also, given these drastic changes in the landscape it is also time to start a major reevaluation of land policy. we really need a return to some open range land. we need to start defencing Texas now!

[Lord Xar]

i'm glad people are finding out about the corruption behind the ttc.

if it took immigration (on which i stand alone around here) distress, atleast it has people's attention.

we need updates on our transportation infrastructure here in Texas, but the way they are going about it is just plain wrong. also, what is overlooked is the effect of both peoples' and other animals' mobility of a RR, Superhighway, Pipeline, Data and Power grid several miles across will be. Imagine the impact of the border fence times 1000. Couldn't they build it elevated or below ground atleast? if not all of it, couldn't they do part of it that way.

just imagine if the power went out and you ran out of gas (peak oil nightmare scenario) but in the meanwhile, you can't get from point a to point b w/out having to first make your way to little choke points b/c there is no way you could cross it alive...

also, given these drastic changes in the landscape it is also time to start a major reevaluation of land policy. we really need a return to some open range land. we need to start defencing Texas now!

naw... lets just build that wall.. higher, longer and farther.... and worry about the TTC as it involves America. The idea that you can control illegal immigration cause everyone will act "not the fool" is not practical in todays world. "IF" and that is an empire state building IF mexico gets its shit together and has a vibrant economy and social services.. then I can see no use for the fence.. BUT now, in this day and age.. uhmmm yes, we need the fence.... we needed it 6 years ago. This "free range" idea is just not even fundamentally viable... on ANY base level. That is how I see it. Also, you also have to have "equal" and reciprical open borders in your dream. If the flow is 'just' one way, you will never ever retain full soveriengty.. as shown... I mean - the country is literally under seige. Also, this "free range" idea is just NAU lite, or "political correct" NAU...

also, I am very up to date on the whole NAU, SPP etc... shennanigans, have been for a while. That and illegal immigration is why I am interested in Ron Paul - or that is how I found him.. by reseraching the NAU stuff a while ago.

[constituent]

actually this 'free range' ideawhich you say (certainly to cheapen the debate) is 'not even fundamentally viable... on ANY base level" is the way it has been...
in fact, you go so far as to say "nau lite" as if i'm recommending that we give up our ntl sovereignty just b/c i disagree with you.

get a grip.

back to the 'on ANY base level' bit.
open borders is the policy of the last two centuries and has been fndamentally viable that whole time. it adds to our culture around here, and until all the
border nazi neo-fascists started trying to tell property owners what type of fence they will have, what type of view they will have, and when and if people's
families can come to visit, has been a great thing! you won't find many in s. texas who have a problem w/ it. except well to do, high faluten white folks
like the sherrif in Victoria County who sees every illegal immigrant bust as a photo-op for his moustache.

not until lou dobbs and a few others started whigging about 'immigration' and 'welfare' did it suddenly become 'not even fundamentally viable'...

the open border has served texas well since... well, texas. if you don't like and need a fence to keep out the mexicans or whatever

i've said it before, and i'll say it again.

build it on the Red River! or around your whimpy state... not ours.

but since this thread is about NAFTA and superhighways, we'll leave that for another one.

[Lord Xar]

actually this 'free range' ideawhich you say (certainly to cheapen the debate) is 'not even fundamentally viable... on ANY base level" is the way it has been...
in fact, you go so far as to say "nau lite" as if i'm recommending that we give up our ntl sovereignty just b/c i disagree with you.

get a grip.

back to the 'on ANY base level' bit.
open borders is the policy of the last two centuries and has been fndamentally viable that whole time. it adds to our culture around here, and until all the
border nazi neo-fascists started trying to tell property owners what type of fence they will have, what type of view they will have, and when and if people's
families can come to visit, has been a great thing! you won't find many in s. texas who have a problem w/ it. except well to do, high faluten white folks
like the sherrif in Victoria County who sees every illegal immigrant bust as a photo-op for his moustache.

not until lou dobbs and a few others started whigging about 'immigration' and 'welfare' did it suddenly become 'not even fundamentally viable'...

the open border has served texas well since... well, texas. if you don't like and need a fence to keep out the mexicans or whatever

i've said it before, and i'll say it again.

build it on the Red River! or around your whimpy state... not ours.

but since this thread is about NAFTA and superhighways, we'll leave that for another one.

Your logic does not stand up to any valid counter-argument. When people say things like "for the past 200 years..." or "that is how its always been..." tells me that you are not looking for solutions, but just to maintain the status quo based on your own personal agendas. The situation now calls for borders. Simple. Its not rocket science. You can argue till your blue in the face about cheap labour or corrupt mexico, or social services but the fact remaines.. 2/3 of the 20+million illegal immigrants came in the last 7 years... so your "200 year gambit" doesn't hold any water anymore. Like I said, when you get businesses on board with the law and you end social services etc... THEN we can talk about no borders, but as it stands now.... the proof of "No borders" has shown you how costly that campaign is. Also, not sure 'who' you represent but most texans I know WANT A BORDER.

Also, your own biasness is rather flagrant "... white folks".... get off your white guilt, or understand that perhaps "south texas" is predominantly what? Who makes up population wise, southern texas? hmmmmm..... Also, just cause some hispanics on the border don't want it, we need to jeopardize all of America -- wow. Strong selfishness.

Just so you know, by your own admission, you are a perhaps a lone voice on this issue... there is a reason. Maybe its not "us" who is wrong, but perhaps you.

When tens of millions of illegal immigrants are storming thru the south, they don't dine to settle in "your area", do they? They come to "my area". Overburden my area schools, hospitals, social services... my taxes GO WAY UP !... so please save your "we are tough southern texans...." ---

.. and yes, lets leave it at the NAFTA conversation.....

[constituent]

You can argue till your blue in the face about cheap labour or corrupt mexico, or social services

i have yet to argue about/for either of those... what are you talking about?

once more xar, get a grip.

your fear trumps my right to free association? and where i live is majority hispanic... i guess that's what you were getting at??

how selfish of you.

"fear fear, be afraid, post 9/11, different world after 9/11, fear, fear, disease, currency, oil, fear, mexicans, fear"

[constituent]

When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him. - Johnathan Swift
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from - your signature....

smell the irony?

[Lord Xar]

When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him. - Johnathan Swift
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from - your signature....

smell the irony?

hahahahha.. are you suggesting "you" are the genius. Oh brother! Get over yourself bro, seriously. Go fiddle about on myspace or something, you've bored me enough already.

I was waiting for the "bigot" remark to come out, I guess you know better now.

- btw. This is not an issue I have to win. 80% of public wants it. So it is you who not need to argue till you are blue in the face. Next week I am sure you'll be arguing for socialism or something....

.. and lastly, I "knew" were you are from and where you live because I know your old tired arguments. I asked the questions because I knew the truth of them. "Mexicans?" Who said anything about mexicans? Move along... And just so you know, you were the 'genius' who brought up the conversation of immigration, not me.


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[constituent]

i made one little blip about immigration, which was not even an attempt to bring up the discussion. you continued on w/ "The idea that you can control illegal immigration cause everyone..." and some bit about building the wall high...

i was refering to the 'fence' that will be formed by the TTC. If you don't get it, it's because you haven't seen the TTC, no fault of mine.

no, i'm not suggesting that i would be the genius, just that you would be the dunces in confederacy.

'bigot remark' WTF are you talking about?

also, I agree to the boredom factor... you're clearly not capable of maintaining a discussion in which someone disagree w/ your parroted line, even slightly. that's ok.

what should we expect from someone named

Lord Xar?


now, where's that ignore button again?

[Lord Xar]

i made one little blip about immigration, which was not even an attempt to bring up the discussion. you continued on w/ "The idea that you can control illegal immigration cause everyone..." and some bit about building the wall high...

i was refering to the 'fence' that will be formed by the TTC. If you don't get it, it's because you haven't seen the TTC, no fault of mine.

no, i'm not suggesting that i would be the genius, just that you would be the dunces in confederacy.

'bigot remark' WTF are you talking about?

also, I agree to the boredom factor... you're clearly not capable of maintaining a discussion in which someone disagree w/ your parroted line, even slightly. that's ok.

what should we expect from someone named

Lord Xar?


now, where's that ignore button again?

hahhaa.. I am a dunce. I regurgitate the same ol' lines. I can't communicate. And you don't like my screenname. Wow. You sure its me that can't have a discussion. I believe that it is you who doens't like when someone disagrees. You and cjhowe should "hang out". Mabye even write a sad ballad about the border towns...

"I just brought the matches and created the spark. I didn't burn the forest down!"

... and lets hope you don't respond and you actually did put me on ignore. I can only hope.