Nolan Chart Article - Ron Paul Delegate Wars II ( mention of Dr. Steve Parent)

[orlandoinfl]

This is really cool, our own Dr. Steve Parent got a mention in a Nolan Chart article.

Ron Paul's Delegate Wars (II)
by George Dance

One such true believer is Dr. Steve Parent. A former 6-year Democratic functionary, Dr. Parent now serves as unofficial commander of the Delegate Wars. Since February he has been explaining the strategy on RPR venues like The Daily Paul and Ron Paul Forums.

Parent points out that, of the 2,380 GOP National Delegates, 651 are unbound. If that percentage holds true for McCain's share, then, of his over 1,300 pledged delegates, less than 1,000 are bound. If just 225 of McCain's unbound delegates defect (to anyone) on the first ballot, he will not get a majority and there will be a second ballot (for which he will have only 650 bound delegates). At that point, it will be any nominated candidate's convention to win.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article3508.html

[brandon]

I still want to know how on earth a delusional, illiterate egomaniac like "dr." Parent manages to get so much respect and so many followers.

[Soccrmastr]

I still want to know how on earth a delusional, illiterate egomaniac like "dr." Parent manages to get so much respect and so many followers.

care to explain this comment? I dont know much about him.

[humanic]

care to explain this comment? I dont know much about him.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131921&highlight=humanic

Read the whole way through (if you dare). By the end you'll understand.

[orlandoinfl]

I still want to know how on earth a delusional, illiterate egomaniac like "dr." Parent manages to get so much respect and so many followers.

I want to know why on earth so many people have given up on Ron Paul campaign and blast people who want nothing more than to get Ron Paul elected.

[yongrel]

This Steve Parent character is a loon.

[Kludge]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=1899114

"You Decide". Some questionable content in there for sure.... Better then George though ;)

[LibertyIn08]

I want to know why on earth so many people have given up on Ron Paul campaign and blast people who want nothing more than to get Ron Paul elected.

He's shown himself to not understand multiple facets of the election process, and meanwhile attacks those who are attempting to help him fix his misinformation.

[smartguy911]

what kind of Doctor is he?

[brandon]

I want to know why on earth so many people have given up on Ron Paul campaign and blast people who want nothing more than to get Ron Paul elected.

I have secured ballot access as a delegate candidate to the RNC.

http://www.ronpaulpa.com/dist1.php

My state will vote on the delegates this tuesday, and we are trying our best to run an effective grassroots campaign to win.

I have not given up, but "Dr." Parent is a fraud.

[orlandoinfl]

lol, you people have concentrated on all but the following: Get Ron Paul the nomination. If Steve is factually wrong, correct him. What's the obsession over him anyways, he's just a person like you and I. Is he 100% precise in every statement? No. Are you? No.

THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT IS RON PAUL. Read the State Party Rules, Read the National Party Rules, Learn Robert's Rules of Order. That's all it's about really.

[Phantom]

I'm with you orlandoinfl

[LibertyIn08]

You said to correct him when he has misinformation.

The problem is, he refuses to change said information, or results to ad hominem attacks. He is not willing to correct his mistakes, and is pushing away people who could be of great assistance.

[brandon]

what kind of Doctor is he?


He has claimed to be a physician, but refuses to give his license # or state where he practices. Just read anything at all that he has written and you will see his writing technique is about on par with a 12 year old. I'm not a grammar nazi, but if you dont have at least a high school level of proficiency in the English language, you are not an MD

[Tarzan]

what kind of Doctor is he?

He has said he is an ENT (ear, nose & throat). But, so much of the information he has provided is just flat wrong that anything he says is highly suspect.

The unfortunate part is that his false information is leading some folks down the wrong path and wasting everyone's time... like posting to these threads.

The delegate process is different in each state. It is unfortunate we do not have a single authoritative source for this information; but we do not. In lieu of that, please read your state's GOP rules to learn how the process actually works.

If you will be attending a precinct, senate, district, state or national convention be sure to become as familiar with the rules of order as well. Knowing the rules of the game are essential in this process.

Don't listen to "Dr. Steve"... he is just wasting our time.

[humanic]

I want to know why on earth so many people have given up on Ron Paul campaign and blast people who want nothing more than to get Ron Paul elected.

Questioning "Doctor" Steve Parent on faulty delegate tips and his dubious autobiographical information is not equivalent to giving up on the Ron Paul campaign, as much as his cheerleaders pretend it is.


lol, you people have concentrated on all but the following: Get Ron Paul the nomination.

See above. I spend all of my free time working to get Ron Paul the nomination but that doesn't change the fact that I think "Doctor" Steve Parent is a fraud.


If Steve is factually wrong, correct him.

This has been done over and over and he responds with childish ad hominem attacks.


THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT IS RON PAUL. Read the State Party Rules, Read the National Party Rules, Learn Robert's Rules of Order. That's all it's about really.

Good advice. I don't think any of the people who think "Doctor" Steve is a fraud disagree with that.

[orlandoinfl]

IF you ever listen to Dr Steve, the first thing he says is to Read State Party Rules and Laws.

You people are exposing your true colors here, attacking another ROn Paul supporter for no good reason.

[LibertyIn08]

IF you ever listen to Dr Steve, the first thing he says is to Read State Party Rules and Laws.

You people are exposing your true colors here, attacking another ROn Paul supporter for no good reason.

He's also pointed to links with incorrect information on the state rules.

There is a perfectly good reason.

[brandon]

You people are exposing your true colors here, attacking another ROn Paul supporter for no good reason.

We just listed several good reasons. Did you not read what we wrote?

If he was just some guy giving his opinion on the forum, no one would be attacking him. Instead, he thinks he is a self-appointed leader and representative of this movement. That is why we attack him.

[Bradley in DC]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131921&highlight=humanic

Read the whole way through (if you dare). By the end you'll understand.

The more substantive ones are here:


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=132022

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1388470&postcount=29

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389261&postcount=2

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1391253&postcount=4

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389251&postcount=9

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389444&postcount=15

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389768&postcount=25

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1389984&postcount=9

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1392371&postcount=10

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1391958&postcount=3

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1391994&postcount=12

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1392127&postcount=29

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1392199&postcount=40

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1392701&postcount=7

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393001&postcount=21

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393084&postcount=23

HAHAHAHAHA:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393111&postcount=24

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393115&postcount=25

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393134&postcount=26
Is it possible i made mistakes? I do not believe they were mistakes i would consider them to vague of an statement which i will gladly admit guilt on.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393227&postcount=27

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393346&postcount=28

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393149&postcount=30

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393832&postcount=33

Steve,

Please correct your DailyPaul post you link to from here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/42901

Now with this part, I think you are just being unnecessarily vague to the point of being wrong:

I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry, as I am going to go into how this all works. So read and then read again, if you need to.

Did you know that the delegates can actually vote to unbind their delegates that are bound by state rules?

Did you know that delegates can actually overturn any previous vote?

Did you know the delegates have control of the entire process?
Let's take DC and the other primary states: There are no state conventions, the only "delegates" we have are the national nominating convention delegates who have no ability nor opportunity to do anything like what you say we could do.

Since we're all agreed you have gone a bit overboard with generalizations, etc. Correcting "details" that are factually inaccurate--at least in some places--with qualifiers would help avoid the confusion you are causing.

Now with this selection:


First, stop looking at who wins each state’s popular vote. For most of the states, the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and has no real bearing on who will become the nominee.
Votes do count--either directly electing national nominating convention delegates, meeting thresholds to get delegates, or choosing state delegates that choose the national nominating convention delegates.


The only way this matters is if one person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be committed to a candidate.
Now, as we've discussed here, this statement is factually inaccurate. Either delusional or a lie. Period. A candidate can get the nomination on the first vote and avoid a brokered convention with the votes of BOUND AND UNBOUND delegates.


So if a candidate like McCain now has 586 HARD DELEGATES but if he doesn't reach 1191, WHICH HE MAY NOT, most of the delegates the state “awarded” him mean nothing.
Now, thank you for changing the factual error that McCain could not reach 1191 votes to "may not." It would help if you used the correct terms that cause confusion and replace "hard delegates" with "bound delegates."


Keep in mind that in most of the states most of the people that represent the 1200 for McCain are actually Ron Paul supporters, Romney and Huck people.
I sincerely hope you're right, I really do, but yes, I'm dubious.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1393882&postcount=34

and a medical doctor questioning "Dr." Steve's mental state:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1395169&postcount=39

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1394184&postcount=1

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1395480&postcount=3

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1396242&postcount=8

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1396425&postcount=17

Steve,

In the OP you say I said things I never said:
Hello Bradley, ...

Dr. Paul only needs the actual people that are elected to be the majority of delegates in ANY 5 states to be placed on the ballot at the RNC in September and he DOES NOT have to win 5 state primary votes to obtain the delegates.
But in fact I have never said any such thing. In this thread I pointed out my discussion of the issue here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384
Lie
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression
I have nothing confused. You are lying now since you know what you say is factually wrong, an untrue statment with the intent to deceive, since I have explained it here in this thread and here you are obviously reading that what you say is wrong.

I have asked you to correct your misstatements both here when you lie about what I say and on Daily Paul and your other posts where you deceive others with false information about the delegate process:
Steve: The only way this matters is if one person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be committed to a candidate.
Bradley: Now, as we've discussed here, this statement is factually inaccurate. Either delusional or a lie. Period. A candidate can get the nomination on the first vote and avoid a brokered convention with the votes of BOUND AND UNBOUND delegates.
You know it is not true even while you deny saying it:
Bradley: Would you please clarify (again) that McCain (or anyone else!) can get the nomination from the majority of votes of bound AND unbound delegates at the national nominating convention (at the first or subsequent votes)?

Steve : I have never denied that for of course it is possible which is why i have said many times if we do not get our number of delegates registered and elected we will have no shot at winning at all and i have never tried to hide the fact that we could lose and this would be a battle to win either way.
So yes, liar or delusional, but I'd defer to a real medical doctor...

Bragging about how many you mislead is less impressive than unfounded professional claims.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1396447&postcount=19

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1397772&postcount=22

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1397827&postcount=24

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1397862&postcount=26

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1396631&postcount=28

[No1ButPaul08]

What's the obsession over him anyways.

Coming from the person who started the thread about him, or Dr. Steve Parent. Do you see the irony here?

[orlandoinfl]

I'm not the one posting 100 links to conversations with Steve to try to character assassinate am I?

Again, I don't care who Steve is, what he does, which hand he uses to wipe his ass.

I care about Ron Paul and if someone comes along and helps, he's ok in my book. Dr Steve is helping Bradley and his possee are not.

[LibertyIn08]

I'm not the one posting 100 links to conversations with Steve to try to character assassinate am I?

Again, I don't care who Steve is, what he does, which hand he uses to wipe his ass.

I care about Ron Paul and if someone comes along and helps, he's ok in my book. Dr Steve is helping Bradley and his possee are not.

Explain to me how getting ballot access and canvassing for liberty candidates is not helping the movement or Ron Paul.

If it isn't, I'll gladly stop what I'm doing and follow Dr. Steve Parent. But I'm rather sure the delegates would like the proper information when they go to their conventions, and Dr. Paul would love to have some other liberty minded candidates in Congress.

[Tarzan]

IF you ever listen to Dr Steve, the first thing he says is to Read State Party Rules and Laws.

You people are exposing your true colors here, attacking another ROn Paul supporter for no good reason.

It is tough to accept when you have been misled. It is embarrassing, frustrating and a number of other emotions come into play. Read the other threads... read the actual "authoritative" information. This guy is feeding you false informtion, leading your down the wrong path and wasting your time.

Sorry, but this guy has fooled you... but you are not alone... nor is the blame yours;
"Fool me once shame on you... fool me twice shame on me"
or, as the Who put it, we "Won't get Fooled Again"

If this guy conned you just take a deep breath... then sigh or say damn... but move on... we have more important things to do than give this guy more of our time.

[Bradley in DC]

The article is premised on Hillary's comment about the DEMOCRATIC party rules--which are different than Republican ones.

It cites as its authority "Dr." Steve Parent whose experience is with Democrats, not Republicans, which explains the Hillary-inspired confusion. Steve's cite is rebuked in the links I provided in the other post. It references a website "How to be a delegate" that FALSELY (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1378788#poststop) claims the support of the official campaign.

[DeadtoSin]

I haven't looked up much on the delegate process. All I know is, Bradley in DC always seems very forthcoming, helpful, and truthful with all his posts. He has impressed me before with his knowledge.

Dr. Steve Parent MAY be correct, but all I've seen from his is a lot of drama. That hurts his credibility in my eyes.

[brandon]

I haven't looked up much on the delegate process. All I know is, Bradley in DC always seems very forthcoming, helpful, and truthful with all his posts. He has impressed me before with his knowledge.

Dr. Steve Parent MAY be correct, but all I've seen from his is a lot of drama. That hurts his credibility in my eyes.

Exactly. Bradley is very assertive and sometimes even slightly arrogant with his explanation of the delegate process. Why is there not a crew of people attacking him? Because 9 times out of 10 he has been right. Now Steve parent on the other hand..... Every time his name is mentioned 30 people are posting about him being a fraud.. This should tell you something.

[Bradley in DC]

lol, you people have concentrated on all but the following: Get Ron Paul the nomination. If Steve is factually wrong, correct him. What's the obsession over him anyways, he's just a person like you and I. Is he 100% precise in every statement? No. Are you? No.

THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT IS RON PAUL. Read the State Party Rules, Read the National Party Rules, Learn Robert's Rules of Order. That's all it's about really.

We would welcome the opportunity to work WITH Steve if he'd just correct the factually wrong information. I've suggested, several times, he work on a wiki with us all together to get the best information out in a non-personal, dispassionate way, but he's more interested in having everyone pay him attention.

[LibertyIn08]

We would welcome the opportunity to work WITH Steve if he'd just correct the factually wrong information. I've suggested, several times, he work on a wiki with us all together to get the best information out in a non-personal, dispassionate way, but he's more interested in having everyone pay him attention.

Bingo. I know at least Bradley and I, and I'm sure many others, are willing to work with him to better the information. I don't find this in-fighting fun nor worthwhile, but I'm upset when good intentions are undermined by poor information.

If we can get correct information out there, this process would be much more simplified. Nobody wants these kinds of threads.

[spacehabitats]

I'm not the one posting 100 links to conversations with Steve to try to character assassinate am I?

Again, I don't care who Steve is, what he does, which hand he uses to wipe his ass.

I care about Ron Paul and if someone comes along and helps, he's ok in my book. Dr Steve is helping Bradley and his possee are not.


I ALSO wouldn't care what kind of a person Dr. Steve is IF he could get Ron Paul elected.

But all I have seen resulting from Dr. Steve's direction is a lot of unsubstantiated, self-congratulatory claims by himself and a flock of grammatically-challenged groupies.

And yes, there is a point at which a self-styled "leader" in our movement has to be held to certain standard.
I think my following post summed up my impression of Dr? Steve:

"I don't care what kind or even if Dr. Steve is a "real" doctor. At least from the stand point of respecting his ideas and recognizing his contributions to the movement.

I obviously don't place too much stock on credentials, or I would not have waited until my 200th post to mention that fact that I am a doctor.

When I made my original post about narcissistic personality disorder, I intentionally did a cut and paste so people would not have to rely on unverified credentials or a degree. I honestly did not think too much about the fact that I was "outing" myself as a physician. In retrospect I can see how naive I was to think that this was not going to be a "big deal". I can see now how much stock these "Dr. Steveites" place on his professional status. I guess in their minds being a doctor gave him some type of special status within the movement; a link to Dr. Paul that transcended the average supporter. I can honestly say that it never occurred to me that people like "Sandra" would question my professional status. Again, I can see now that I was inadvertently encroaching onto the sacred (and to that point, unique) territory of her guru.

Now to the man.
I won't claim any special love for Dr. Steve. Since I first saw his posts on Daily Paul I will admit that I was more than a little put off by his "IF YOU CARE ANYTHING ABOUT FREEDOM AND THE FATE OF OUR REPUBLIC YOU WILL KEEP THIS BUMPED EVERY DAY AND IF YOU DON'T YOU ARE ALL SCUM THAT DESERVE TO LIVE IN CHAINS" hyperbolic style. I didn't mind so much that he called himself "Doctor" Steve. I guess I assumed that he had a PhD in Early Aztec Basket Weaving and was one of those guys that got off on being called "Doctor". And I don't think any less of someone if they don't happen to feel like me that it kind of goes against the egalitarian atmosphere of this movement.

Within the last couple of days, I will admit he got me ticked off when he and his sycophantic groupies on DailPaul accused me of fabricating an email from a national campaign staff member advising RP delegates that they probably should not expect to be able to vote for Ron Paul at the RNC.

Wowee, talk about shooting the messenger. Within minutes I was called everything from a troll to a CFR infiltrator to a liar. I reposted adding even more chunks of the email, explaining meticulously and as clearly as possible that I WAS NOT ENDORSING OR CONDONING THE VIEWS EXPRESSED IN THE EMAIL but that I thought it was worth knowing what some within the campaign were advising.

That made them even madder.
I was a liar. I made the whole thing up.

I had my wife come on to confirm that she had in fact received the email.
Either they ignored her or thought she was a CFR plant (I honestly don't know what is going on inside that gelatinous mass they use for brains.)
But at least I could count on the good doctor to add a note of dignity, right?:rolleyes:

He came on and without commenting at all on the changes, clarifications, replies, and added comments by my wife asked, "Why hasn't this post been flagged?"

"Sorry, Your Highness. We'll get on it right away! We won't let it happen again!", said his lapdog fanboys, as they scurried to do his bidding.

I offered to forward the email in question to Steve if he would promise me not to divulge the author's name or post excerpts out of context.
Nada. No rebuttal. No acknowledgment. No apology and no retraction.

No, Steve is strictly a hit and run kind of guy.

So now that he has thoroughly befouled the atmosphere over at DailyPaul, Steve announces grandly (everything he does is always done in dramatic fashion) that he is going to come over to the RonPaul Forums to root out the infidels and could he have some of his groupies come with him? (They almost always travel in packs, safer that way.)

And this thread was the result.

And still I would have given him some benefit of the doubt. That maybe he has actually helped some of the people that he says he has helped. And maybe some of the people that think he has helped them, actually aren't deluded or suffering from intellectual Stockholm Syndrome.

And then he gave THIS quote above.

When I first read his smear about the "glorified massage therapist" I was actually amused. I am used to some lay people confusing DO's (Doctor of Osteopathy) with chiropractors or whatever simply because in addition to all of the courses that any MD medical student has to take the Osteopathic medical student also must learn manipulative therapy. True, in the early 20th century there was a sometimes not all that friendly rivalry between the two schools of medicine. But by the time I entered medical school that was all ancient history. Today's DO's and MD's share residency programs and populate every specialty from Pediatrics to Neurosurgery and sometimes work with a doctor for a years before they realize which one he is.

All doctors know this. Patients may not, especially if they come from some areas of the country where DO's aren't as numerous. But ALL doctors know this.
So it never occurred to me that Steve was anything but a PhD taking a cheap shot out of ignorance.

That's when I made this response:

" BTW, Dr. Steve, if you happen to be driving through southwest Iowa in a couple of weeks be very careful not to get in a car accident.
I hear that the local hospital is going to have a "glorified massage therapist" staffing their emergency room! :eek:
I hear they even have him supervising all three of the Physician Assistants who cover the emergency room full time.
But what would you expect from a hospital that would let that same "glorified massage therapist" be their Chief of Staff last year?
And while he isn't a psychiatrist (and does NOT claim to be one) he was the medical director for the geriatric psychiatry unit for a couple of years.

And if you are interested, he does know some excellent psychiatrists.

(Personally, I just think you need to cut down on your caffeine.;))"

More out of amusement than anger.
A little sarcastic? Sure. A little condescending? Guilty.
But you can see why I might have been a little fed up with this self-righteous stuffed shirt.

But then I stumbled back across his note and noticed for the first time his claim to be a physician --

As far as my medical background and license or license number is none of your business or anyone elses ana has no bearing on what i have done or is willing to continue to do.

Wait a minute, I had been cutting him some slack because I thought he was just ignorant. Spiteful, self-promoting, conceited, deluded, and petty, sure, but not malevolent.

But now all of a sudden my view of "Doctor" Steve made a paradigm shift. He was claiming to be a medical doctor. All of this grandstanding and posturing was coming from an MD, not some PhD with an inferiority complex?!? All of this childish, unprofessional behavior from a colleague?

Now he no longer had an excuse. I have practiced medicine and trained in states from Nevada to Pennsylvania; Iowa to Virginia. I have worked with DO's and MD's trained everywhere from Botswana to the Mayo Clinic; but I have never, NEVER met a doctor who would debase himself to call a DO colleague a "glorified massage therapist". I know you may not understand this but, this just isn't done. Not on our worst days. Not even in gest. And Steve was most certainly NOT joking. He wasn't calling me a liar this time, he was insulting my profession (actually OUR profession) and taking advantage of YOUR ignorance to take a cheap shot at someone he KNEW really WAS a doctor.

Now all the misspelled, ungrammatical, disjointed posts were more sinister. This is a guy that will stop at nothing, will stoop to anything to win his point. I know now that whatever else he is, he is not the dedicated servant to this movement that he claims to be. I don't care how many hours he spends talking to delegates or how many phone bills he racks up; Steve Parent cares about only one thing -- Steve Parent.

I don't know, nor do I care if he is a doctor or not. Either he is a bold-faced liar, or a professional who has lost any semblance of ethical or professional dignity.

I now know that I have only heard him say one thing that is absolutely true,
"i really do not care. "

How true. How true."

[brandon]

Spacehabitats:

I agree fully with your assesment of "Dr" Steve, and you espoused your opinion very eloquently.

However, I wish you wouldn't speak as if physicians are above other doctors. Obtaining a PhD in engineering, science, or math can be every bit as grueling as becoming a physician.

[Kludge]

Spacehabitats:

I agree fully with your assesment of "Dr" Steve, and you espoused your opinion very eloquently.

However, I wish you would didn't speak as if physicians are above other doctors. Obtaining a PhD in engineering, science, or math can be every bit as grueling as becoming a physician.


Did someone strike a nerve, Dr. Yates...? ;)

[LibertyIn08]

I don't think he was insulting PhDs, rather those who get PhDs or MDs and make sure everyone calls them "Doctor".

[Bradley in DC]

Spacehabitats:

I agree fully with your assesment of "Dr" Steve, and you espoused your opinion very eloquently.

However, I wish you wouldn't speak as if physicians are above other doctors. Obtaining a PhD in engineering, science, or math can be every bit as grueling as becoming a physician.

Yes, but none of that training helps understand the delegate process. I learned the hard way doing it for Forbes in 1996 and 2000 (happily, Forbes paid well :)).

[amy31416]

Did someone strike a nerve, Dr. Yates...? ;)

Hahahaha...who knows? Honestly though, I had undergrad courses with a lot of wannabe doctors and half of them were doofuses (I'm not saying that Spacehabitats is one of them) but having blind reverence for anyone under the title of "Dr." whether they be PhD's, MD's, DO's or whatever, is silly. I think Spacehabitats understands that.

Some PhD's and people in medicine are amazing, others are shallow, narrow and think the whole world consists of their specialty or thesis topic and can only view things from that perspective.

[smartguy911]

guys contact AMA and ask about Dr. Steve Parent - http://webapps.ama-assn.org/contactus/contactus-submit.do

hopefully one of us will get a response from them on Dr. Steve parent

[Zera]

Honestly, I dunno if Dr. Parent is the most knowledgeable guy out there. But the thing is, he's enthusiastic and is working very hard, even at this point, to get Paul elected. I believe it's still a possibility, too. A huge one? No, but people like Dr. Parent and others spend their time to try to make the possibility bigger. Thats a very respectable trait for someone, in my opinion.

[brandon]

Honestly, I dunno if Dr. Parent is the most knowledgeable guy out there. But the thing is, he's enthusiastic and is working very hard, even at this point, to get Paul elected. I believe it's still a possibility, too. A huge one? No, but people like Dr. Parent and others spend their time to try to make the possibility bigger. Thats a very respectable trait for someone, in my opinion.

What does the guy actually do though? He doesn't even live in our country. He is some guy in canada who posts incorrect information on some slightly obscure (no offence) message boards from time to time. Does that really count as helping paul get elected?

[spacehabitats]

Spacehabitats:

I agree fully with your assesment of "Dr" Steve, and you espoused your opinion very eloquently.

However, I wish you wouldn't speak as if physicians are above other doctors. Obtaining a PhD in engineering, science, or math can be every bit as grueling as becoming a physician.

I meant no offense. I know there are many MD/DO's that are also jerks. I just have never known one to sink to the depths of a Dr? Steve. As for PhD's, again I am not trying to denigrate their well earned status as "doctors", I just can't speak from personal experience about their standards of ethical behavior as a group (which I am sure is even more eclectic than the medical profession). Suffice it to say, Dr? Steve's online behavior has been inexcusable.

[Phantom]

smartguy911, what is it with you and others who want to know if Steve is a real Dr or not?

Does it really matter?

Who really cares if Steve Parent is using a pseudonym?

Isn't he entitled to his privacy?

Isn't that what our Commander in Chief, Dr Ron Paul is all in favour of?

Give it up and simply move on.

It would be nice if Ron Paul Republicans on this site were as vocal as Steve in educating us all in the delegate process. I for one would like to hear Bradley and his followers go on to radio shows or even write articles, enlightening us on the delegate process instead of putting Steve down for all he has done and is doing to help get Ron Paul elected as the GOP nominee.

[Zera]

What does the guy actually do though? He doesn't even live in our country. He is some guy in canada who posts incorrect information on some slightly obscure (no offence) message boards from time to time. Does that really count as helping paul get elected?

Err... I don't know much about him, but from what I read from that article, he goes to meet up groups and helps teach people stuff?

[LibertyIn08]

smartguy911, what is it with you and others who want to know if Steve is a real Dr or not?

Does it really matter?

Who really cares if Steve Parent is using a pseudonym?

Isn't he entitled to his privacy?

Isn't that what our Commander in Chief, Dr Ron Paul is all in favour of?

Give it up and simply move on.

It would be nice if Ron Paul Republicans on this site were as vocal as Steve in educating us all in the delegate process. I for one would like to hear Bradley and his followers go on to radio shows or even write articles, enlightening us on the delegate process instead of putting Steve down for all he has done and is doing to help get Ron Paul elected as the GOP nominee.

We've done exactly that by posting the correct information. He is now using his leveraged position to attempt to discredit the correct information.

Just because we're not screaming "Ron Paul Can Win It And If You Don't Support Him You're A Communist!" from the buildings, does not mean that we're not doing the best we can within our own states for delegates and Ron Paul Republicans.

[TruthAtLast]

I don't know a lot about Dr Steve nor do I care if he is a real doctor or not. But to those people backing him, I think there are important things to consider.


The enthusiasm is great. It is fantastic at this stage in the game for someone to be helping others stay focused on becoming delegates.
It DOESN'T MATTER how much enthusiasm you have if you are spreading FALSE information. Not everyone is perfect of course, but he seems to resist any attempt at correcting his "teachings". He (or his followers) has lashed out at virtually everyone that has tried to assist him because he wants to be perceived as THE ULTIMATE authority. To be honest, it is people with this kind of authority complex that we are fighting against. It is these kinds of people that have taken over the Republican party and even if they know they're wrong, they would never EVER admit it.


Who cares how dedicated someone is to the Cause or how much work they do (though I haven't seen anything to confirm this yet) if they are spreading incorrect info. As much as I admire the energy, he could be doing more harm than good. And his "followers" seem to treat him more like a cult leader than just another Ron Paul supporter, which is really all he is.

[Debbie Hopper]

I don't know Steve, but I do know that a majority of the delegates that have been elected are not RP supporters. If that claim is being made, it's false. If our people are believing it and repeating it, they're going to look mighty foolish.

[LibertyIn08]

I don't know Steve, but I do know that a majority of the delegates that have been elected are not RP supporters. If that claim is being made, it's false. If our people are believing it and repeating it, they're going to look mighty foolish.

And there we have it, straight from the horse's mouth.

[Bradley in DC]

I don't know Steve, but I do know that a majority of the delegates that have been elected are not RP supporters. If that claim is being made, it's false. If our people are believing it and repeating it, they're going to look mighty foolish.

Three cheers for Debbie!

And of course, we all want to get as many delegates as we can. :)

[Debbie Hopper]

We're fighting tooth and nail for every delegate we can get and having some incredible successes. We're getting bloodied and bruised along the way too, but learning this process from the inside has been invaluable training for our grassroots leaders that will serve them well in the years to come.

Pat Robertson lost the nomination, two years later, his leaders controlled many state party organizations. ;)

The revolution continues my friends.

[Debbie Hopper]

BTW, Alexander, I appreciate you saying straight from the horses mouth, rather than the other end of the beast to which staff are usually compared. :p

[bszoka]

We're fighting tooth and nail for every delegate we can get and having some incredible successes. We're getting bloodied and bruised along the way too, but learning this process from the inside has been invaluable training for our grassroots leader that will serve them well in the years to come.

Pat Robertson lost the nomination, two years later, his leaders controlled many state party organizations. ;)

The revolution continues my friends.

Amen!

[LibertyIn08]

BTW, Alexander, I appreciate you saying straight from the horses mouth, rather than the other end of the beast to which staff are usually compared. :p

Not a problem. From what I've heard from my friends in Missouri, you were quite critical to their success in the state. Thanks for all you've done, and hopefully we'll be able to have a large contingent come September.

Hopefully I'll be there as a volunteer.

[Debbie Hopper]

It wasn't me, it was Deb Wells and Ruth Carlson, and the incredible leadership team they built.

All the kudos belong to them.

[No1ButPaul08]

I don't know Steve, but I do know that a majority of the delegates that have been elected are not RP supporters. If that claim is being made, it's false. If our people are believing it and repeating it, they're going to look mighty foolish.

Please ban this troll for being divisive. This is not helping the movement. :rolleyes:

[TruthAtLast]

Please ban this troll for being divisive. This is not helping the movement. :rolleyes:

haha.

The day we ban Debbie from Ron Paul Forums, we may as well fold up tent and go home. :D

I don't agree with every move that HQ has made but there is no doubting her dedication to our goals.

[Zera]

Debbie, if you could, please answer this:

You mentioned that the majority of delegates are not Paul supporters. This does make sense. But have a majority of national delegates even been chosen yet?

[Debbie Hopper]

There are still 20+ states in various stages of the caucus/convention process to choose their delegates, and another 11 with primaries, some like PA where the delegates are actually elected by primary.

[Bradley in DC]

You mentioned that the majority of delegates are not Paul supporters. This does make sense. But have a majority of national delegates even been chosen yet?

According to the Green Papers site (which is pretty authoritative), more than 80% have been allocated:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/ccad.phtml

and most of those are McCain's. :(

I started a thread about upcoming contests based on the Green Papers site but updated with contributions from RPFs posts:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=128018

[Debbie Hopper]

Brad, more than 80% of the delegates have been allocated, but 80% of the delegates haven't been chosen.

In Missouri 100% of our delegates have already been allocated to McCain based on the result of our primary election. But 100% of those delegates are not McCain supporters. In fact, most of those 58 delegates haven't even been chosen yet.

27 were elected at Missouri's CD conventions, yesterday. 4 of the 27 are known RP supporters, and if there is any honesty and integrity left in the MO GOP, we'll win a challenged to the CD 2 sham convention and pick up another 3 national convention delegates.

28 more are yet to be chosen. That will happen at our state convention at the end of May.

[pepperpete1]

haha.

The day we ban Debbie from Ron Paul Forums, we may as well fold up tent and go home. :D

I don't agree with every move that HQ has made but there is no doubting her dedication to our goals.

Anyone who has been posting or lurking here for even a short time would have seen the corrections made by Bradley and others. A discerning reader, will sift and sort the material. Even better, they will research and find out for themselves what is correct.

This ego thing is distracting and negative to the cause. Both sides have been helpful to the supporters of the message and Ron Paul. I posted before that there are somethings they were saying the same thing only in different words.

OK, Dr. Parent (by the way my real name is not pepperpete1 either) may present his info as he sees it through rose colored glasses. That does not make what he says on most things impossible. Long shot? yeah. But I still have my rose colored glasses on.

As for the campaign supporting him, I could care less. I had to do on my own what
Steve has been posting. I wish he had posted before the MI convention. Our state headquarters gave us a bum steer as to what we would encounter and what we would or could do at the convention. Experience is the best teacher, like Bradley says.........but what a hard taskmaster! Had we been forearmed with the information we would have done better. As it is, if we elected any RP supporters they are closet ones.

Bradley and others have also given good and insightful knowledge. He knows from whence he speaks.

Now, both sides need to quit name calling and disparging the other, and insisting that each do this or do that before they will work together. Ditch the sarcasm and negativity. Let's pick up the fight we ALL want to win.

I would like to add that Debbie Hopper and the ladies she mentions in her post, and all the troops in MO are doing one hell of job. I salute all of you. Keep on keepin' on.

[Bradley in DC]

Brad, more than 80% of the delegates have been allocated, but 80% of the delegates haven't been chosen.

Hi Debbie,

I posted "allocated." I've not found a good site with a chronology summary of delegates being chosen. If you have one, please share.

And yes, we need to get as many RP delegates to MN as we can for a host of reasons.

[LibertyIn08]

I will say that, for sure, McCain has the majority of Illinois Delegates, and most likely will pick up the State Convention's remaining free ones. This is due to our Loophole primary.

California, who does not have a normal convention process, will allocated for McCain as well. (Their state convention has no effect on delegate allocation, and will be after the GOP convention).

As far as I can tell, those states, then, can be counted in the McCain column. Although it is essential we line these conventions as well, for changing state platforms and such.

That is all I am sure on.

[Bradley in DC]

I will say that, for sure, McCain has the majority of Illinois Delegates, and most likely will pick up the State Convention's remaining free ones. This is due to our Loophole primary.

California, who does not have a normal convention process, will allocated for McCain as well. (Their state convention has no effect on delegate allocation, and will be after the GOP convention).

As far as I can tell, those states, then, can be counted in the McCain column. Although it is essential we line these conventions as well, for changing state platforms and such.

That is all I am sure on.

All 19 from DC went to McCain (though we did better than any other primary!).

[LibertyIn08]

All 19 from DC went to McCain (though we did better than any other primary!).

Perhaps we should start up a closed google doc with these numbers?

[Bradley in DC]

Perhaps we should start up a closed google doc with these numbers?

Sounds productive. or the wiki here on RPFs?

[LibertyIn08]

Sounds productive. or the wiki here on RPFs?

Works for me. I'm not familiar with how the Wiki here works, but if you start it, I'll go ahead and add the Illinois information.

[Debbie Hopper]

Brad, I agree that the Green Papers is pretty reliable, but I've never found a truly definitive source, and that includes the Rule 15 filing that the RNC requires of every state. So I created my own.

[MMolloy]

Delegates from Philadelphia:

Fact: In two congressional districts that make up most of Philadelphia (CD-1 & CD-2) there were exactly 6 delegates on the ballot per CD; three RP and three Party

All of the delegates in PA are unboud. What these party delegates will do is certainly debatable, but at this point to say anybody knows what they will do in 4 months is only opinion. (We can certainly try to contact these delegates and find out or try to influence them)

From these two congressional districts we have one RP delegate and one RP alternate (myself).

I've been working with CD-7 as well and know that one of the delegates there, while not an official RP delegate, is not a party delegate either and this is the case in a number of other CD's throughout PA

Opinion: I've not read through every post but enough to get a feel for what's going on... again IMHO there have been people stating cases too optimistically and too pessimistically and both accusing each other of being unfactual. What I've seen is people making posts that are a mix of fact and opinion and someone else ripping them. (DON'T QUOTE MY OPINIONS... PLEASE)
I was just sent the link on Delegates for Ron Paul yesterday... so I have no opinion yet and from reading the posts about Steve Parent... I don't have time to check all the facts... I've seen errors on both sides in the little time I've had to check. As I've been trying to explain the delegate process to people, I've found it challenging to keep up to date on what's going on in each and every state.
I like the idea of trying to provide help to the delegates/alternates... I'm personally going to try and get help locally. I also like trying to influence the other delegates going to the convention... I've heard there are other efforts in the work in this regard. If anyone has any good info on these two items please email me @ MPMolloy@comcast.net

Mix (Fact and Opinion): I won my polling place for RP and all of our delegates and I know that is the case for many in PA that I've spoken too. If we had more people at the polls on election day we could have easily doubled our delegate count from PA (we have ~= 5-6 Delegates and 11-12 alternates). It is necessary to keep optimistic with the MSM constantly telling us there is no way we can win. In order to win we also need to organized and show up on election day. I haven't seen the Precinct Leader numbers increase in weeks. Sign up even if your state has already had a primary/caucus https://voters.ronpaul2008.com/grassroots/

Have I ever been too optimitstic in what may be... certainly! Before someone hammers me... talk to people who know me... I've been warning on numerous occasions to check our facts before making public announcements. That being said, the seeds we are planting will grow (probably faster with persistence and prayer). And did I mention that I heard RP was a long distance runner in HS (<-- unverified... don't quote me bro)

[scholarpreneur]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=131921&highlight=humanic

Read the whole way through (if you dare). By the end you'll understand.

I'm only on the second page, but it seems like he knew what he was talking about.

[airborne373]

I have watched Dr. Steve Parent's posts for a long time. I do not participate in the threads due to how heated they get. Dr. Parent appears to me to be a bit "salty" in some of his communications. But I do not doubt his passion for Ron Paul and the delegate process. At the end of the day I am glad Steve is fighting with us.

[Bradley in DC]

It would be nice if Ron Paul Republicans on this site were as vocal as Steve in educating us all in the delegate process. I for one would like to hear Bradley and his followers go on to radio shows or even write articles, enlightening us on the delegate process instead of putting Steve down for all he has done and is doing to help get Ron Paul elected as the GOP nominee.

Phantom,

You obviously are not familiar with my work. Just here on RPFs search my user name and delegates. Even BEFORE the call of the convention, I was here motivating everyone to update their state's rules from 2004 which I posted in every state subforum. I've been correcting the misinformation from "Dr." Steve and his side kick Anson and their treasure trove of everything wrong on How to be a delegate site. And yes, others have posted here how I've traveled to their cities and met with Meetup Groups and explained these things in person.

[humanic]

I'm only on the second page, but it seems like he knew what he was talking about.

38 1/2 to go! ;)