If someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

[V4Vendetta]

If someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Democrats are pro-choice, Jesus does not support Murdering babies!!

THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!
1 of the 10 commandments!

Thus if someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Oh yeah, and GOD says Homosexuality is a "ABOMINATION" and democrats support Gay rights.... i.e.... Adoption, marriage, ect...

Thus if someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

[maiki]

Well, for that matter, Christians are also against torture, unjust war, which many in the republican party support.

There is no perfect party/candidate out there... although in my opinion Ron Paul is a pretty good choice in almost all matters, I don't think he supports anything I consider gravely evil. At the end, sometimes one needs to make choices of what evils are most likely, what is better for the country as a whole.

[ItsTime]

Just dont be a neo-con and you should be fine.


Well, for that matter, Christians are also against torture, unjust war, which many in the republican party support.

There is no perfect party/candidate out there... although in my opinion Ron Paul is a pretty good choice in almost all matters, I don't think he supports anything I consider gravely evil. At the end, sometimes one needs to make choices of what evils are most likely, what is better for the country as a whole.

[brandon]

Oh yeah, and GOD says Homosexuality is a "ABOMINATION" and democrats support Gay rights.... i.e.... Adoption, marriage, ect...


Go away!

I don't make threads pointing out all the failures of religion because I don't want to alienate and offend people!

If you insist on staying, can you try to do the same!

!

[ARealConservative]

If someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Democrats are pro-choice, Jesus does not support Murdering babies!!

THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!
1 of the 10 commandments!

Thus if someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Oh yeah, and GOD says Homosexuality is a "ABOMINATION" and democrats support Gay rights.... i.e.... Adoption, marriage, ect...

Thus if someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

so we need laws to combat adultery?

[Karakia]

Actually Christianity is about choice.... O.o It is God's greatest gift to us, born out of the great love he has for us.

[RSLudlum]

Actually Christianity is about choice.... O.o It is God's greatest gift to us, born out of the great love he has for us.


Amen brother!! He has given us the ultimate choice to worship him or not....that says it all!

[V4Vendetta]

so we need laws to combat adultery?

no, but adultery is not legal, and you can be divorced if you do you do it.

[V4Vendetta]

Amen brother!! He has given us the ultimate choice to worship him or not....that says it all!

and if you choose to worship him, and follow him, you have to follow what he says..... Murdering babies is not something he condones, neither is being gay. infact, it's a sin.

The Word of God says that people that are lookwarm will be spit out of his mouth.

[TastyWheat]

Can you say that a little louder? I don't think everyone in the choir heard you.

[ARealConservative]

no, but adultery is not legal, and you can be divorced if you do you do it.

I'm not following you at all. No fault divorce is the most common application today, you can be divorced for anything.

I also don't want to criminalize working on "the Lord's day". The 1st commandment is a big violator of the 1st amendment as well.

No major party subscribes to your views. Which is why I find this silly singling out the democrats.

There is a big difference between following the rules and forcing them on people through government fiat. All you are doing is cheapening Christianity by removing choice in the practice of it.

[brandon]

So let me get this straight. What you are saying is....

1. Your God says homosexuality is a sin.
2. If you worship this God, you also have to think homosexuality is a sin.
3. If you worship this god, you have to support a political agenda that tries to make sin illegal.
4. If you worship this god, you must try to make homosexuality illegal.

BUT

1. Your god has also given his people the gift of "free will."
2. The choice for two men to adopt a child is something they should be able to persue as part of the free will they recieved from your god.
3. If you take away a man's free will, you are taking away a gift from your god.

So which is it? Do you think your God would approve of you actively working against him by attempting to interfere with his gift of free will?

I think not.

I'll see you in hell. :D

[Karakia]

I don't need God's laws to be my country's laws for me to follow them. In fact I come from a country where Prostitution, Abortion and Civil Unions are legal. If anything, this allows me to be more of a light shining in the darkness.

Jesus came to seek and save the lost - not to Ostracise them.

[wv@SC]

So let me get this straight. What you are saying is....

1. Your God says homosexuality is a sin.
2. If you worship this God, you also have to think homosexuality is a sin.
3. If you worship this god, you have to support a political agenda that tries to make sin illegal.
4. If you worship this god, you must try to make homosexuality illegal.

BUT

1. Your god has also given his people the gift of "free will."
2. The choice for two men to adopt a child is something they should be able to persue as part of the free will they recieved from your god.
3. If you take away a man's free will, you are taking away a gift from your god.

So which is it? Do you think your God would approve of you actively working against him by attempting to interfere with his gift of free will?

I think not.

I'll see you in hell. :D

The logic of your post is sound.

Christians who believe the Bible as the Word of God are to adhere to and advance the law of God in whatever society and capacity they can. It is sinful and inconsistent to say you are a Christian and then practice or promote what God has repeatedly condemned in His Word.
If the Bible says that homosexuality, adultery, or child molestation is sin, then I (as well as everyone in the world) am obligated to concur. Why? Because we are not talking about a man or womans opinion, but the mind of God. Is He not able to tell us how to live?

[LittleLightShining]

I don't need God's laws to be my country's laws for me to follow them. In fact I come from a country where Prostitution, Abortion and Civil Unions are legal. If anything, this allows me to be more of a light shining in the darkness.

Jesus came to seek and save the lost - not to Ostracise them.

A kindred spirit :)

[LEK]

A Christian should espouse to neither party but vote a godly conscience. If there isn't a choice available - then abstain. Or write in a good man...like Ron Paul.

[acptulsa]

Well, for that matter, Christians are also against torture, unjust war, which many in the republican party support.

Christians choose the lesser of evils all the time. Each has issues closer to their own hearts. And, honestly, it takes a mighty narrow minded and intolerant person to condemn a pro-choice Christian. After all, many pro-lifers would not even make an exception for rape. I cannot think of a worse torture for an innocent rape victim than to force her to carry the rapists child to term and then have to look at the child and decide if her maternal instincts can overcome her anger.

Would that the world provided choices that were as black-and-white as they are protrayed in abstract by those with no real connection to the situation. Alas life is--and we are--more complicated than that. No wonder Jesus advocated tolerance.

[Kade]

If someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Democrats are pro-choice, Jesus does not support Murdering babies!!

THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!
1 of the 10 commandments!

Thus if someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Oh yeah, and GOD says Homosexuality is a "ABOMINATION" and democrats support Gay rights.... i.e.... Adoption, marriage, ect...

Thus if someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Interesting how your religion is twisted for political gain.

Most Christians were once Democrat... abortion was an evil, but a necessary allowance. Now, you have politicized the church, and it, as an entity of the antipathy, contrary to every principle of freedom, twists itself into compliance to the group most willing to secure you room in the feeding trough.

To shame with most of you Christians, and what your vote did to this country in the last 8 years.

[LittleLightShining]

To shame with most of you Christians, and what your vote did to this country in the last 8 years.Don't blame me, Kade. I didn't vote for Bush. And what if Gore had been elected in 2000? We'd be paying individual carbon taxes by now to sponsor state-mandated pantheism.

Nope, socialist that he is and though I don't agree, I voted for Nader in the last 2 because he represented (to me) a more domestically focussed federal government.

[ARealConservative]

To shame with most of you Christians, and what your vote did to this country in the last 8 years.

Preemptive war is not something Bush, Christians, or the Republicans invented.

Turn around for a second, you will find your precious glass home shattered in a million pieces.

[Zippyjuan]

The Bible says that to reach the Kingdom you must feed the hungry, clothe the naked. Democrats are more likely to favor programs that help the poor but neither party has any totally or exclusively moral position.

Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. 36 I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? 38 When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?' 40 "The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

41 Then he will say also to those on the left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you didn't give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you didn't take me in; naked, and you didn't clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn't visit me.' 44 "Then they will also answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn't help you?' 45 "Then he will answer them, saying, 'Most certainly I tell you, inasmuch as you didn't do it to one of the least of these, you didn't do it to me.' 46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."



Jesus did not lilke politics. "Give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and give unto God that which is God's." I don't think he would have a favorite party.

A candidate who claims to speak for a religious group would make me less likely to vote for him- even if I agreed with them on other issues.
One of my older favorite quotes: "The Moral Majority Is Neither".
I also do not like the term "Religious Right"
I equally distrust those who try to wrap themselves too tightly in the flag or the cross.

[Kade]

Preemptive war is not something Bush, Christians, or the Republicans invented.

Turn around for a second, you will find your precious glass home shattered in a million pieces.

You don't know my home, nor should you pretend to act like you do.

[familydog]

What's with all this "us vs. them" crap? YOU CHRISTIANS!! YOU ATHEISTS!! Maybe someday the world will become enlightened and not lump people togather in groups. The irony is all over. Some people here say they hate identity politics, but have no problem using it when it suits their needs.

[jmdrake]

If someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Democrats are pro-choice, Jesus does not support Murdering babies!!

THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!
1 of the 10 commandments!

Thus if someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Oh yeah, and GOD says Homosexuality is a "ABOMINATION" and democrats support Gay rights.... i.e.... Adoption, marriage, ect...

Thus if someone is a Christian, it is a contradiction to be a democrat!

Jesus also didn't support pre-emptive wars based on lies. Both sides of the RepubliCrat / DemoPublican party are morally bankrupt and unworthy of support. Yet Ron Paul has chosen to work from within the Republican party. Some people who love freedom have chosen to work from within the democratic party. (Yes there are pro life democrats). I have nothing against anyone who puts principle over party and neither does Dr. Paul.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Kade]

What's with all this "us vs. them" crap? YOU CHRISTIANS!! YOU ATHEISTS!! Maybe someday the world will become enlightened and not lump people togather in groups. The irony is all over. Some people here say they hate identity politics, but have no problem using it when it suits their needs.

To be perfectly honest, you were one of the ones who made me feel specifically out of place when I originally tried to bring some unity to the issue. No offense, but you are one of the worst people I've ever had to deal with online, since I got my first computer and IRC, in 1989. I don't want to be associated with anything you stand for, ever. If there is a divide, it is people like you and Theocrat, and what you stand for, and abomination of a theocratic government, and the destruction of all righteous principles that guide decent folk.

But by all means, take the high horse this time.

[familydog]

To be perfectly honest, you were one of the ones who made me feel specifically out of place when I originally tried to bring some unity to the issue. No offense, but you are one of the worst people I've ever had to deal with online, since I got my first computer and IRC, in 1989. I don't want to be associated with anything you stand for, ever. If there is a divide, it is people like you and Theocrat, and what you stand for, and abomination of a theocratic government, and the destruction of all righteous principles that guide decent folk.

But by all means, take the high horse this time.

What do I stand for that you don't like? Please, enlighten me. Being vague plays into your innocent routine.

By the way. I've never called you out personally and attacked you like you have done to me. So, as you say, by all means take the high road. :)

[LibertyEagle]

and if you choose to worship him, and follow him, you have to follow what he says..... Murdering babies is not something he condones, neither is being gay. infact, it's a sin.

The Word of God says that people that are lookwarm will be spit out of his mouth.

There are a whole lot of things that are sins.

Here is one of my favorite passages from the Bible....

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

[Kade]

By the way. I've never called you out personally and attacked you like you have done to me. So, as you say, by all means take the high road. :)


Not all non-believers are idiots, but a bunch of them are


Make sure the priest doesn't say his masses in Latin though :eek:


The court decided that atheism is a religion and must be protected.

I happen to find those, within the few minutes it took to find them, offensive. But that's me...

[jmdrake]

The entire premise of this thread is retarded. Each party has been taken over by people who don't share the ideals it was founded on. For example the democrats were the original "states rights" party. I don't find John McCain any more "Christian" than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. I was also surprised to find out that the head of the John Birch Society that got killed when the Russians shot down that Korean airliner years ago was a democrat. If you think one party is better than the other than you've missed the point of the rEVOLution. Ron Paul is great because he's willing to stick to principle even when it means going against party.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[familydog]

I happen to find those, within the few minutes it took to find them, offensive. But that's me...

Erm, how does that prove anything? I wasn't calling anyone out personally attacking them. So, what do I stand for that you find so repugnant? I'm asking again, enlighten me.

In fact, that last statement is a fact. It wasn't interpretation. It's no different than saying "Thomas Jefferson was the main author of the Delcaration of Independence." I was saying exaclty what the court found.

[familydog]

The entire premise of this thread is retarded. Each party has been taken over by people who don't share the ideals it was founded on. For example the democrats were the original "states rights" party. I don't find John McCain any more "Christian" than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. I was also surprised to find out that the head of the John Birch Society that got killed when the Russians shot down that Korean airliner years ago was a democrat. If you think one party is better than the other than you've missed the point of the rEVOLution. Ron Paul is great because he's willing to stick to principle even when it means going against party.

Regards,

John M. Drake

I agree :D

[ARealConservative]

You don't know my home, nor should you pretend to act like you do.

You have proven yourself to be a dipshit time and time again. Your hypocrisy is getting pretty old.

You obviously wish to pursue the red state versus blue state mentality because that is all your limited intellect can grasp. Congrats, you are the perfect useless tool.

[LittleLightShining]

Is this necessary? Some people agree. Some people disagree. Some who disagree agree to disagree. Some who disagree choose to fight. This need to spiral down into name calling and being offended and WHATEVER in just about every thread with the words Christian and atheist in it is what's really retarded. There's no point to it. You handful of arguers just get all ruffled and give each other more reasons to argue. It's a waste of time and energy. Grow up.

[Dr.3D]

Is this necessary? Some people agree. Some people disagree. Some who disagree agree to disagree. Some who disagree choose to fight. This need to spiral down into name calling and being offended and WHATEVER in just about every thread with the words Christian and atheist in it is what's really retarded. There's no point to it. You handful of arguers just get all ruffled and give each other more reasons to argue. It's a waste of time and energy. Grow up.

+1000

I totally agree!

[ARealConservative]

Is this necessary? Some people agree. Some people disagree. Some who disagree agree to disagree. Some who disagree choose to fight. This need to spiral down into name calling and being offended and WHATEVER in just about every thread with the words Christian and atheist in it is what's really retarded. There's no point to it. You handful of arguers just get all ruffled and give each other more reasons to argue. It's a waste of time and energy. Grow up.

Kade gives atheists a bad name.

He is a hypocrite with little common sense on display.

As an atheist, I get annoyed when I see this type of behavior. We clearly have failed in self policing. Sorry!

[acptulsa]

Kade gives atheists a bad name.

As an atheist, I get annoyed...

Sometimes I think Kade is just trying to cattle prod the level of debate up a notch. Sort of like a humorless yongrel...

Have faith in the forum guidelines. If you can't say something nice, find some links that will rip his argument to shreds.

That'll get him!

[Dr.3D]

Sometimes I think Kade is just trying to cattle prod the level of debate up a notch. Sort of like a humorless yongrel...

Have faith in the forum guidelines. If you can't say something nice, find some links that will rip his argument to shreds.

That'll get him!

Better not to argue about it at all... it just feeds the problem.

[LittleLightShining]

Better not to argue about it at all... it just feeds the problem.+8000

[jmdrake]

Interesting how your religion is twisted for political gain.

Most Christians were once Democrat... abortion was an evil, but a necessary allowance. Now, you have politicized the church, and it, as an entity of the antipathy, contrary to every principle of freedom, twists itself into compliance to the group most willing to secure you room in the feeding trough.

To shame with most of you Christians, and what your vote did to this country in the last 8 years.

I'm not sure where you get your sense of history from. When was there a time that most Christians were "democrat"? During the time of Lincoln there were Christian republicans who were against slavery as well as Christian democrats who supported it. (And before some neoconfederate pipes I yes I know that there were other issues in the civil war besides just slavery but that was the major moral issue of the time.) Down through the years members of both parties have wrapped themselves in the Bible and the flag. During the civil rights struggle you had pro integration and pro segregation "Christian" democrats as well as republicans. And up until Roe vs. Wade abortion general was not seen as a "necessary evil". It was seen as a decision to be left up to the states. Some states allowed abortion. Many banned it except for the most extreme circumstances. Since it was an issue that was decided locally there was no reason for any national political movement against it.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[ARealConservative]

+8000

allowing him to carry on unimpeded is no good either.

Instead of arguing, just call a spade a spade, and then move on.
That way others come in reading his nonsense and quickly realize he has no pull in this particular movement. We are not keen on religious bigotry here.

[Dr.3D]

allowing him to carry on unimpeded is no good either.

Instead of arguing, just call a spade a spade, and then move on.
That way others come in reading his nonsense and quickly realize he has no pull in this particular movement. We are not keen on religious bigotry here.

Allowing him to carry on unimpeded just makes it look like he is talking to himself.
Nobody will listen to the wind as it is something they have gotten used to hearing as a minor impediment when listening to something else.

[SeanEdwards]

Christians are very nice...

when they are lion poo.

[LittleLightShining]

allowing him to carry on unimpeded is no good either.

Instead of arguing, just call a spade a spade, and then move on.
That way others come in reading his nonsense and quickly realize he has no pull in this particular movement. We are not keen on religious bigotry here.I like a challenge. It helps me grow. So I don't mind hearing perspective from someone whose world view is different than mine. Every atheist is a different person just like every Christian is a different person. It's only when the conversations become heated arguments that spiral down into personal attacks that I have a problem.

[ARealConservative]

Allowing him to carry on unimpeded just makes it look like he is talking to himself.
Nobody will listen to the wind as it is something they have gotten used to hearing as a minor impediment when listening to something else.

this isn't true.

It actually is similar to the diamond tactic that has been discussed on these forums before.

If we allow him to carry on while ignoring it, it appears we are in agreement, which we are not!

[Dr.3D]

this isn't true.

It actually is similar to the diamond tactic that has been discussed on these forums before.

If we allow him to carry on while ignoring it, it appears we are in agreement, which we are not!

Seems to work when I make a post people don't agree with. They just ignore what I said and go on with the thread.

There are those however who like to argue and they will respond.

[familydog]

Responding to a personal attack, especially one with no basis in reality, is not senseless arguing. There is nothing wrong with defending oneself.

[allyinoh]

What's with all this "us vs. them" crap? YOU CHRISTIANS!! YOU ATHEISTS!! Maybe someday the world will become enlightened and not lump people togather in groups. The irony is all over. Some people here say they hate identity politics, but have no problem using it when it suits their needs.

Thank you.

My point exactly. People want to talk about individualism, but eventually they revert back to that collectivism they know so well.