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JosephTheLibertarian
04-17-2008, 09:33 AM
I'll probably get the boot over there..but here's what I posted over there lol


My name is Joseph. I'm from NJ. I'm actually a RP supporer but I'm not going to shill for him. I want to follow your tos. I just had some questions.

1. Why support FairTax over FlatTax? The FT has been implemented in many post-Soviet countries and they have some of the most booming economies in the world.

Or how about the enumerated tax? It's a tax this country originally started it. Libertarian Party candidate Wayne Allyn Root actually supports it. It's when the Federal government raises money for something and the way it does that is by leaving the actual taxing to the states and each state is expected to raise an amount that is proportionate of its population size. What's wrong with that? That's actually what this country started with.

2. Why not leave marriage out of government hands? Why do we even need marriage licenses at all? It solves the issue entirely. What's wrong with leaving it to private institutions?

3. The OLD definiteion of social conservative was like how we view fiscal conservatism. Government pretty much doesn't interfere. The Democratic tradition of intervention was why they were the war party and social liberalism (after the socialists hijacked it) was about telling people how to run their lives. That's social liberalism. Social conservatism is a more restraint government. Letting people run their own lives.

But why must people ALWAYS look at libertarianism in extremes? Why never moderate? There are so many moderates and yet you all use a strawman argument of "legalizing all drugs," "wide open borders," etc you do know that most are pretty moderate, right? The Libertarian Party is currently being pulled in to be a more moderate and manstream party.

I do believe in the hardline of libertarianism. But I also know that we need to be more moderate and compromise until we get more power in government. Then we can be a bit more uncompromising.

The Libertarian Party is the party of principle. I switched to the GOP for Dr. Ron Paul. The socialists might have ruined his chances, but he's still in the race and I'm glad I voted for him!!

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12191

They don't like dissenting views so expect me to be banned :p

Kade
04-17-2008, 09:34 AM
Sorry bro, I'm already gone.


You have been permanently banned from this board.

yongrel
04-17-2008, 09:35 AM
They are going to beat you across the head with their Jesus club.

JosephTheLibertarian
04-17-2008, 09:38 AM
Yeah, they don't even explain why they support FairTax over FlatTax. I guess most just go with what everyone else is supporting. I'm not even expecting a reply.

brandon
04-17-2008, 09:40 AM
I was banned by IP in december for asking if Huck supported the real ID.

Edit: I was banned from my home IP. I just tried to access the site from my university's computer to find out that all of temple university has been banned by IP from hucks army as well. lol

brandon
04-17-2008, 09:44 AM
BTW, Kade: Here is some interesting but irrelevant information.

We both joined the forum within 4 days of each other and have both made 6.6 posts per day since then.

amy31416
04-17-2008, 09:47 AM
They are going to beat you across the head with their Jesus club.

Hey man, spare the rod, spoil the child. :p

yongrel
04-17-2008, 09:48 AM
I was banned by IP in december for asking if Huck supported the real ID.

Edit: I was banned from my home IP. I just tried to access the site from my university's computer to find out that all of temple university has been banned by IP from hucks army as well. lol

use a proxy if you want to go there. It hides your IP.

mtmedlin
04-17-2008, 09:52 AM
I got IP banned quick but I was suprised that they ever let me post. I think I had around 20 or 30 posts before I got the boot.
the funny part is the owners login is IHEARTHUCK, so I made my login ISPADEHUCK.

acptulsa
04-17-2008, 09:52 AM
They are going to beat you across the head with their Jesus club.

Just because they wouldn't let us into the club doesn't mean we shouldn't let them in. Look where exclusion got Huck.

Jeremy
04-17-2008, 10:00 AM
Huck's Army is pro-Huckabee only. Go to F3 instead. It is a place for all conservatives (mostly Huckabee, Paul, and Thompson supporters). Started by the same people.

And as far as Fair and Flat tax, go to their blog: http://www.f3coalition.org/2008/04/17/flat-tax-v-fair-tax/ (posted today)

JosephTheLibertarian
04-17-2008, 10:14 AM
Thompson? He's evil lol. He never gave a crap about his supporters. He comes from Team Rudy McRomney.

ronpaulhawaii
04-17-2008, 10:24 AM
Ridiculing others beliefs hints at a lack of faith in ones own, and forcing cold hard truths on others is very unlibertatrian.

Exclusion is limiting. And hypocritical for a movement that values liberty.

JosephTheLibertarian
04-17-2008, 10:28 AM
Ridiculing others beliefs hints at a lack of faith in ones own, and forcing cold hard truths on others is very unlibertatrian.

Exclusion is limiting. And hypocritical for a movement that values liberty.

Thompson was a lobbyist and he was an unethical guy that only cared for himself. Fact.

You're the only one I see ridiculing beliefs here.

ronpaulhawaii
04-17-2008, 10:41 AM
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You're the only one I see ridiculing beliefs here.

:confused:

JosephTheLibertarian
04-17-2008, 10:58 AM
:confused:

uhh..were you calling me unlibertarian for ridiculing Thompson? That's what I thought.

acptulsa
04-17-2008, 11:02 AM
Just because they wouldn't let us into the club doesn't mean we shouldn't let them in. Look where exclusion got Huck.

I thought he was responding to this and/or trying to explain why he wanted more civil discussion about religion, Joseph.

ronpaulhawaii
04-17-2008, 11:08 AM
uhh..were you calling me unlibertarian for ridiculing Thompson? That's what I thought.

No I was overgeneralizing and not refering to anyone in particular. We have a few people here that just want to be left alone, yet don't just let others alone. I dont see any reason to have gone into Hucks Army except in a well crafted plan to win over supporters.

Kade
04-17-2008, 11:53 AM
Ridiculing others beliefs hints at a lack of faith in ones own, and forcing cold hard truths on others is very unlibertatrian.




"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."

"The essence of the liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment. This is the way opinions are held in science, as opposed to the way in which they are held in theology."

--Bertrand Russell

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H L Mencken

brandon
04-17-2008, 03:40 PM
"One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it."

"The essence of the liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment. This is the way opinions are held in science, as opposed to the way in which they are held in theology."


--Bertrand Russell



Bertrand Russell is one my my favorite mathematicians/philosophers. He has Tons of brilliant quotes. Also, if anyone ever wants to read a great argument debunking religion, check out his book called "Why I am not a christian"

Too bad he was a fool when it came to economics and world government.


Some great Russell quotes:

"Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. "

"Passive acceptance of the teacher's wisdom is easy to most boys and girls. It involves no effort of independent thought, and seems rational because the teacher knows more than his pupils; it is moreover the way to win the favour of the teacher unless he is a very exceptional man. Yet the habit of passive acceptance is a disastrous one in later life. It causes man to seek and to accept a leader, and to accept as a leader whoever is established in that position. "

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. "

"There is no nonsense so arrant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action. "

"Not to be absolutely certain is, I think, one of the essential things in rationality. "

brandon
05-01-2008, 08:25 AM
bump.

I just got Paul's book yesterday and he quotes Russell in it! Paul's the man.