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Fox McCloud
04-16-2008, 03:38 PM
Ok, recently, I got into a semi-argument (not really heated or the other side was being totally obstinate or anything) about the income tax; ultimately we agreed on why it was bad...and so on and so forth--I told him that there actually is no law about paying the income tax and that it was unconstitutional. Well, anyway, he believed me, and spoke with his father about it, who also agreed that technically there wasn't a law...however, he presents this:

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#file
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#voluntary

It's a bit lengthy, but I'd appreciate it if all of you pitched in and helped debunk it, even if it takes some time.

Danke
04-16-2008, 04:01 PM
I believe much of what Evans writes is true, but an incomplete story.

There is an income tax law. It is the activity that makes one liable to pay it. Most activities are outside the Federal Governments power to lay a tax upon. So find out if you are liable.

See:

Regarding The "There Is No Law" Fallacy (http://www.losthorizons.com/tax/faq2.htm#TIAL)

rbu
04-16-2008, 04:01 PM
It's simple really. There are "taxpayers" and "non-taxpayers". If you read the actual code, you will notice it is always referring to taxpayers. They must have both categories or it would be a forced tax and unconstitutional. You place yourself in the "taxpayers" bracket the moment you hand over your social security number. They use the argument that you must have known it was a taxable income since you provided your SSN. There is a reason they frown upon (aka: fine the hell out of) any company caught paying cash only. Under-the-table payments can't be tracked and that's doesn't sit well with their system. You'll also want to keep any money OUT of the banking system since they can easily check your personal accounts.

Danke
04-16-2008, 04:12 PM
The Irrelevance Of "Having" A Social Security Number (And The "5 USC 552a" Fallacy) (http://www.losthorizons.com/tax/Misunderstandings/SocialSecurityNumber.htm)

scotto2008
04-16-2008, 06:22 PM
There is no "separation of church and state" mentioned in the 1st amendment. But Judges have ruled in favor of the concept, so it is de facto law.

I'm not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that if you don't want to be someone's bitch in the state pen, it's important to consider that a judge and jury can send you there whether there's a law or not.