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devil21
04-11-2008, 03:23 AM
Heads up to future delegates! According to this article, the GOP is starting to change the rules in order to EXCLUDE Ron Paul delegates. This will likely spread across the country.

http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2008/04/11/news/local_state/134604.txt



In direct response to recent activity by supporters of GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul, the Twin Falls County Republican Central Committee amended its bylaws Wednesday to require members attending the state convention in June to vote for national delegates based on how the county votes May 7.

The change - one of several made at a monthly meeting - eliminates the opportunity for members to vote for their own preference and not for the victor in the Republican primary. On Idaho's ballot are Paul, the Texas Congressman, and Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, who has earned enough delegates to be the presumptive nominee.

Committee members said that Paul supporters are trying to overtake the committee with ideology and haven't been active in local politics enough, particularly with the Lincoln Day banquets and a spring picnic, two of the biggest party events.

"We're for the people. We're elected to represent the people," said Jennifer Gose-Eells, a committee member challenged by a Paul supporter. "We're always looking for help but none of these people were there when we needed it, not until they wanted the elected positions."

The change in bylaws came the same day that Paul announced he will visit Twin Falls on April 25. A campaign office is scheduled to open Saturday.

In June, the county will send 16 members to the GOP state convention in Sandpoint. They'll choose the delegates to attend the national convention in Minnesota in September.

But the members who go to Sandpoint will be nominated by the precinct members - who can nominate themselves. At least a dozen candidates for the central committee's 19 contested races are Paul supporters, based on a local Paul Web site.

Rick Martin, who is vying for a precinct in Buhl, said he and his group will follow the rules if they go to Sandpoint. But they are interested in more than just the presidential race and want to bring the party back to its original intentions.

"It's just a political game they're playing," he said. "The bylaw changes are a prime example they're scared."

The change, which passed 19 to 1, was recommended by a sub-committee. It reads: "In any issue regarding Idaho delegates to the National Republican Convention, Twin Falls County delegates must vote so as to reflect the votes cast by the Republican electorate in the county presidential preference primary."

Martin conceded he and his supporters haven't attended the Republican events, but said that they have lobbied local committee precinct members with flyers, a new Web site and other efforts to participate - only to have been given the cold shoulder.

Steve Hartgen, a precinct chairman member, said the revisions were prepared earlier this year when the Republican field was more crowded, but the potential of people voting independently of the electorate remains.

"It's designed in some way as a firewall," Hartgen said. "They haven't been doing the meat and potatoes."

He said they are trying to take over local politics with an ideology that is out of sync with the Magic Valley.

Ken Edmunds, who helped draft the bylaws and is challenged by a Paul supporter, said the change is a response to Martin's group but he welcomes the challengers as part of the democratic process.

"If it's in reaction to them, it's a good thing," he said. He added: "It's nice for someone to jump on a soapbox and shout for a while but what we're focused on is the long-term success of the party."

Martin said the mandate of voting at the convention violates the state's party rules, an allegation that Edmunds, a longtime Republican who has sought office, responded with "show me where."

Jared S. Hopkins may be reached at 208-735-3204 or jhopkins@magicvalley.com

acroso
04-11-2008, 03:26 AM
just show up anyways and become mccain delegates so as to change rules at the convention or fire chairmen etc.

Kludge
04-11-2008, 03:33 AM
If only you attended the local picnic... Things would've been different ;)

hawks4ronpaul
04-11-2008, 04:40 AM
It will be funny if RP activism causes the county to vote for RP on 5/7, forcing pro-McCain delegates to vote RP.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

garrettwombat
04-11-2008, 04:51 AM
this means nothing... vote how you need too... your not bound by any means.

Dequeant
04-11-2008, 05:07 AM
A person's vote is just that. If someone tried to "force" me to vote for someone against my will..........they will not enjoy the remaineder of their lives.

FindLiberty
04-11-2008, 06:22 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

I think link this might also apply to any Demoncats who can't decide
between HC and BO ....who may want to save America via Ron Paul.

Bradley in DC
04-11-2008, 06:30 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

I think link this might also apply to any Demoncats who can't decide
between HC and BO ....who may want to save America via Ron Paul.

That link has nothing to do with party convention delegates, and presidential electors to the Electoral College were never bound.

ResistTemptation
04-11-2008, 06:35 AM
Looking up the state's party rules. Anyone sure of Idaho's party rules pertaining to this matter?

rockandrollsouls
04-11-2008, 08:19 AM
Forget them...they can't make you do anything. Do what you need to do....they are fighting us...then... WE WIN!

angelatc
04-11-2008, 08:42 AM
Committee members said that Paul supporters are trying to overtake the committee with ideology and haven't been active in local politics enough, particularly with the Lincoln Day banquets and a spring picnic, two of the biggest party events."We're for the people. We're elected to represent the people," said Jennifer Gose-Eells, a committee member challenged by a Paul supporter. "We're always looking for help but none of these people were there when we needed it, not until they wanted the elected positions."


Even sarcasm fails me at this moment....

(edited to add: She's a government lawyer by trade!)

pepperpete1
04-11-2008, 09:27 AM
I am really impressed with the way Idaho have written up their rules and beliefs of the GOP.
Except for the support to Bush in his fight on terrorism, it sounds like a description of RP's message.

Note ArticleI Sect. 17, ArticleIV Sect. 3, then under RULES FOR SELECTION OF DELEGATES TO REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION AND THE REPUBLICAN STATE CONVENTION OF IDAHO
ArticleI Sect.4, ArticleII Sect.2, Article 5 and 6

http://www.idgop.org/About/

Go for it!

Sandra
04-11-2008, 09:42 AM
They had until the first Tuesday in Sept. of 2007 to submit their new rules to the RNC. They mean absolutely nothing now. Besides, their new rules wouldn,t have been approved anyway because RNC rules forbid voting at a caucus for a presidential nominee. requiring delegates to vote for one candidate has already been decided by the RNC as a violation.

nate895
04-11-2008, 10:37 AM
If they continue to do this, we ought leave the GOP and form our own third party with other conservatives who are fed up with this crap from the GOP leadership.

Even if I am ever elected to be something as a Republican, I will refuse to go to the Lincoln Day Dinner, as a matter of principle (see my avatar and sig).

Sandra
04-11-2008, 10:48 AM
This is the golden rule of the RNC:



15.(11) No delegates or alternate delegates shall be selected pursuant to any Republican Party rule of a state or state law which materially changes the manner of selecting delegates or alternate delegates or the date upon which such state party holds a presidential primary, caucus, convention, or meeting for the purpose of voting for a presidential candidate and/or selecting delegates to the national convention if such changes were adopted or made effective after the first Tuesday in September of the year before the year in which the national convention is to be held. Where it is not possible for a state party to certify the manner and the date upon which it holds a presidential primary, caucus, convention, or meeting for the purpose of voting for a presidential candidate and/or selecting delegates to the national convention in effect in that state on the date and in the manner provided in paragraph (e) of this rule, the process for holding the presidential primary, caucus, convention, or meeting for the purpose of voting for a presidential candidate and/or selecting delegates to the national convention shall be conducted in the same manner and held upon the same date as was used for the immediately preceding national convention. If it is not possible to hold a presidential primary, caucus, convention, or meeting for the purpose of voting for a presidential candidate and/or selecting delegates to the national convention upon the same date as was used for the immediately preceding national convention, then delegates or alternate delegates shall be selected by congressional district or state conventions pursuant to paragraph (d) of this rule.

This rule was designed to prevent what Twin Falls is only trying to do.

Sandra
04-11-2008, 10:53 AM
Send this rule to the reporter of the story. He seemed to report the story negatively as a fascist effort on behalf of party boy stalwarts.

Zera
04-11-2008, 11:00 AM
Rules can be changed, easily. Just become state delegates, don't worry.

Sandra
04-11-2008, 11:04 AM
Rules can be changed, easily. Just become state delegates, don't worry.

State party can't change this rule. The National one has to.

Zera
04-11-2008, 11:18 AM
State party can't change this rule. The National one has to.

Actually, I believe state rules can, as long as the resolution passes in a 2/3 vote.

hillertexas
04-11-2008, 11:52 AM
Send this rule to the reporter of the story. He seemed to report the story negatively as a fascist effort on behalf of party boy stalwarts.

email sent to jhopkins@magicvalley.com

Sandra
04-11-2008, 12:17 PM
Actually, I believe state rules can, as long as the resolution passes in a 2/3 vote.


Louisiana is undergoing a challenge right now based on this rule . This was a stone rule that only can be changed by the national committee. States can just pass state bylaws but if they conflict with an existing rule at national level,they can strike that as well. Several states have already had rule changes, especially ones made to maniputate vote outcome at caucus, struck down just in the last couple of months.

pepperpete1
04-11-2008, 09:29 PM
Louisiana is undergoing a challenge right now based on this rule . This was a stone rule that only can be changed by the national committee. States can just pass state bylaws but if they conflict with an existing rule at national level,they can strike that as well. Several states have already had rule changes, especially ones made to maniputate vote outcome at caucus, struck down just in the last couple of months.

Sandra, do you know off hand which states those were? Maybe MO?:)

Vet_from_cali
04-11-2008, 11:42 PM
BUAHAHAHA lmao

oh man they getting scared!!!


THEY SCARED!!!!!!

parke
04-11-2008, 11:56 PM
Heads up to future delegates! According to this article, the GOP is starting to change the rules in order to EXCLUDE Ron Paul delegates. This will likely spread across the country.

http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2008/04/11/news/local_state/134604.txt

Arent the people showing up representing 'the people'?

I think the counter is that RP supporters just show up to their local GOP meetings. Thats one sure fire way to get some attention.

You attract more bees with honey than you do vinegar.

The GOP needs us. PERIOD.

speciallyblend
04-12-2008, 02:18 AM
let them,it only kills their own partyin the general election,either way the republican party is dying or dead by general election;)

Paul Revered
04-12-2008, 03:15 AM
bump

Conza88
04-12-2008, 03:47 AM
Ken Edmunds, who helped draft the bylaws and is challenged by a Paul supporter, said the change is a response to Martin's group but he welcomes the challengers as part of the democratic process.

"If it's in reaction to them, it's a good thing," he said. He added: "It's nice for someone to jump on a soapbox and shout for a while but what we're focused on is the long-term success of the party."

OH - LMFAO, seriously - their trying to fken lose. ASSHOLES.

Join The Paul Side
04-12-2008, 04:11 AM
Forget them...they can't make you do anything. Do what you need to do....they are fighting us...then... WE WIN!


They are fighting us because they know we can steal this whole thing from them and McCain.......legally! :)

joemiller
04-12-2008, 04:47 AM
Besides, if I understand their rules correctly, any changes in their by-laws for presidential convention delegate won't take effect until the next presidential convention in 2012. I could be wrong in this, however.

joe

pepperpete1
04-12-2008, 09:32 AM
They are fighting us because they know we can steal this whole thing from them and McCain.......legally! :)

Keep vying for those delegate positions. GO! GO! GO!:)

clintontj72
04-13-2008, 09:24 AM
Uggggg...bad Ron Paul supporters...you haven't worshiped at the almighty altar of Lincoln enough....<cough>...you must do penance and say Heil Lincoln 3 times a day for the next year to be worthy...stupid turds!