Bumper Sticker: "Support our Troops or Go to Hell"

[Rhys]

...as if this were somehow God's war with God's troops.

[MRoCkEd]

so the pro-war people are going to hell then

[nate895]

I support the troops, I suppose I am not going to hell.

[Danke]

...as if this were somehow God's war with God's troops.

"you want you country to have a military or not?"

[NEPA_Revolution]

I support the troops. I support them by wanting them to stop dying for a senseless cause.

[nodope0695]

What exactly does it mean to "support the troops"? Doesn't that mean that we must support the administration's lies and immoral reasons for going to war in Iraq and Afganistan?

How does one "support the troops"? By placing a bumpersticker on their gas guzzling soccer-mom SUV? By tieing a yellow ribbon on a tree? Is this really "support"? Would any of these so-called supporters grab a riffle and go fight in Iraq to support the troops? I think not.

The single best way I think we can support the troops is to bring them home from that damn illegal, imperialistic, war. That is the only way to support them. The administration has sent them off to fight a war NOT of self defense, but rather in defense of corporate interests, and of nation building.

Our troops are fighting and dying for America, but for oil companies. So, if you support the war, you are NOT supporting the troops. As long as Americans allow it to go on, the more men and women are going to die for Exxon, Shell, BP, Chevron...

[nodope0695]

"you want you country to have a military or not?"

Our country should have a military, of course. But the military is for SELF DEFENSE OF OUR BOARDERS. It is NOT for forcing our policies and those of corporate institutions, on other nations.

Read the Constitution, and you'll understand what I, and RP are saying. Good day.

[nodope0695]

I support the troops. I support them by wanting them to stop dying for a senseless cause.

Amen!

+1000

[Nirvikalpa]

I support the troops. I support them by wanting them to stop dying for a senseless cause.

Same here.

+1

[Danke]

Our country should have a military, of course. But the military is for SELF DEFENSE OF OUR BOARDERS. It is NOT for forcing our policies and those of corporate institutions, on other nations.

Read the Constitution, and you'll understand what I, and RP are saying. Good day.

Preaching to the choir:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1395782&postcount=13

[Rhys]

Danke, you need to understand the diference between supporting the troops and supporting mutiny

[Danke]

Oh, I see, thanks. :rolleyes:

[familydog]

I figured that was a slogan we could all agree with.

[Kludge]

Supporting war is patriotic, as per Dr. Paul's congressional speech a fair while ago... Who are the Patriots? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTZRpsKTZwY)

The Stand Up Economist (General) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgB6mFmYEcM)

Whoops... The above is the wrong link... But it's a good one anyways ;)

The Stand Up Economist on "Patriotic" Bumper Stickers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKBKLeTZbM4)

[qh4dotcom]

If all Americans refused to be drafted, if all Americans refused to enroll in the military from now on, if all Americans enrolled in the military refused to be deployed to Iraq....or those who are in Iraq refused to combat and demanded to be brought back home or somehow escaped.....there would be no Iraq war right now.

So the troops made their contribution to the big mess there now and the waste of billions of taxpayer dollars by cooperating with the government...can't support the troops if they continue to support Bush's stupid war.

[Kludge]

If all Americans refused to be drafted, if all Americans refused to enroll in the military from now on, if all Americans enrolled in the military refused to be deployed to Iraq....or those who are in Iraq refused to combat and demanded to be brought back home or somehow escaped.....there would be no Iraq war right now.

So the troops made their contribution to the big mess there now and the waste of billions of taxpayer dollars by cooperating with the government...can't support the troops if they continue to support Bush's stupid war.

Maybe they didn't have the money needed for college... *shrug* It's a job, and offers some nice benefits.

[Joseph Hart]

Something less harsh would be what my bumper says...
"SUPPORT OUR TROOPS NOT THE WAR" -in stencil font

[Kludge]

I was thinking about getting a "Leave the Troops There" bumper sticker and then placing a "McCain '08" bumper sticker right below it.

[angelatc]

If all Americans refused to be drafted, ..

I wonder how a draft would go? Last time they had one, the kids being drafted were the kids of WWII vets, who went unquestioningly when called to fight Hitler et al.

Some of them refused. Now we've had about 40 years of liberal doctrine supplanting the fierce patriotism....how will a draft go over?

Unless another 9/11 thing happens. Then we'll line up, I suppose. And as long as they have us, we'll have to tackle Iran and/or Darfur.

[Kludge]

I wonder how a draft would go? Last time they had one, the kids being drafted were the kids of WWII vets, who went unquestioningly when called to fight Hitler et al.

Some of them refused. Now we've had about 40 years of liberal doctrine supplanting the fierce patriotism....how will a draft go over?

Unless another 9/11 thing happens. Then we'll line up, I suppose. And as long as they have us, we'll have to tackle Iran and/or Darfur.

~30-40% of Americans still support the war. What's 40% of 303,826,358 citizens?

[qh4dotcom]

Maybe they didn't have the money needed for college... *shrug* It's a job, and offers some nice benefits.

Their family and their LIFE should be more important than that.

[Kludge]

Their family and their LIFE should be more important than that.

Both of which require money for their existence.

[Broadlighter]

Neo-Cons: "Support the Troops means support the mission (ie.. endless, aggressive wars)

Liberals: "Support the troops means pulling them out of harm's way in Iraq and putting them into UN Peacekeeping missions everywhere else."

Ron Paul Revolutionaries: "Support the troops means supporting the oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic."

[amy31416]

If all Americans refused to be drafted, if all Americans refused to enroll in the military from now on, if all Americans enrolled in the military refused to be deployed to Iraq....or those who are in Iraq refused to combat and demanded to be brought back home or somehow escaped.....there would be no Iraq war right now.

So the troops made their contribution to the big mess there now and the waste of billions of taxpayer dollars by cooperating with the government...can't support the troops if they continue to support Bush's stupid war.

Don't condemn the troops when we all support the war via $$$. Think about it.

[mtmedlin]

If I send a case of Jock straps and bras, can I say that I Too support the troops.

[RP4EVER]

someone asked what 40% of the population was....so i did some number crunching and came up with an interesting number. 121,530,543.2...........anyone want to guess who the 2/10ths of a person is.

[libertarian4321]

If all Americans refused to be drafted, if all Americans refused to enroll in the military from now on, if all Americans enrolled in the military refused to be deployed to Iraq....or those who are in Iraq refused to combat and demanded to be brought back home or somehow escaped.....there would be no Iraq war right now.

So the troops made their contribution to the big mess there now and the waste of billions of taxpayer dollars by cooperating with the government...can't support the troops if they continue to support Bush's stupid war.

Sorry, thats not the way our country works.

It is not the duty of the soldier to refuse to obey orders. A soldier can lawfully refuse to obey an obviously unlawful order (e.g. "wipe out this village, don't leave anyone alive"), but he can't decide which wars he wants to fight.

It is the duty of the citizenry to ensure that he is not put into the situation where he is forced to fight a pointless war.

We, as citizens, have failed.

I'm a soldier. I support the troops. I do NOT support this war, but I'm not going to mutiny.

[justatrey]

Its too bad you never see a "support innocent civilians" bumper sticker.

[Aldanga]

If I send a case of Jock straps and bras, can I say that I Too support the troops.

lolol

[JK/SEA]

Bumper sticker:

It's my military too!
and i want them home!

[Soccrmastr]

I'm a bit worried a lot of people on this board are not for a strong defense/military. A main purpose of government is protection of the peoples safety.

[MRoCkEd]

/\ I think most of us are.
We need to bring our troops home from other countries and have them defend our own country instead

[Rhys]

Sorry, thats not the way our country works.

It is not the duty of the soldier to refuse to obey orders. A soldier can lawfully refuse to obey an obviously unlawful order (e.g. "wipe out this village, don't leave anyone alive"), but he can't decide which wars he wants to fight.

It is the duty of the citizenry to ensure that he is not put into the situation where he is forced to fight a pointless war.

We, as citizens, have failed.

I'm a soldier. I support the troops. I do NOT support this war, but I'm not going to mutiny.

QFT

[Geronimo]

I saw one of those magnetic ribbons the other day and it simply said "Support Sluts"

I got a great big kick out of that one.

[Roxi]

I was thinking about getting a "Leave the Troops There" bumper sticker and then placing a "McCain '08" bumper sticker right below it.


HOLY crap i would pay to see that... Hell id do that myself but a hillary supporter would probably slice my tires

[James Madison]

Sorry, thats not the way our country works.

It is not the duty of the soldier to refuse to obey orders. A soldier can lawfully refuse to obey an obviously unlawful order (e.g. "wipe out this village, don't leave anyone alive"), but he can't decide which wars he wants to fight.

It is the duty of the citizenry to ensure that he is not put into the situation where he is forced to fight a pointless war.

We, as citizens, have failed.

I'm a soldier. I support the troops. I do NOT support this war, but I'm not going to mutiny.

I've been talking to my dad recently about this (he is ex-army). Anyways since all soliders take an oath to obey and defend the Constitution of the United States if one were to refuse to fight in Iraq I'm not sure if it were be punishible. Now, I'm not advocating this but I'm just begging the question. Since the war was not declared by Congress it is TECHNICALLY unconstitutional by Article I, Section 8, Clause 11. The Founders were very explicit that the executive could not go to war without a declaration from the Congress. And I was thinking since the soldier's oath pertains to the Constitution is he indeed obligated to fight in an UNCONSTITUTIONAL war? Just wondering...

[Rhys]

I've been talking to my dad recently about this (he is ex-army). Anyways since all soliders take an oath to obey and defend the Constitution of the United States if one were to refuse to fight in Iraq I'm not sure if it were be punishible. Now, I'm not advocating this but I'm just begging the question. Since the war was not declared by Congress it is TECHNICALLY unconstitutional by Article I, Section 8, Clause 11. The Founders were very explicit that the executive could not go to war without a declaration from the Congress. And I was thinking since the soldier's oath pertains to the Constitution is he indeed obligated to fight in an UNCONSTITUTIONAL war? Just wondering...

congress is paying for it...

so lets not get into that mess until they don't pay for it and bush makes them or else.

[James Madison]

congress is paying for it...

so lets not get into that mess until they don't pay for it and bush makes them or else.

Probably right. It's a can of worms no one really wants to open. Although even if it was, given the corrupt nature of the current system a soldier wouldn't stand a chance to defend himself in the court of public opinion or the Supreme Court, for that matter.

[MikeStanart]

The "I support the Troops" sticker has always bothered me.

As Americans, OF COURSE WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS. To imply that we don't, is simply un-American.

Since we can assume that all Americans Support the troops; this statement seems to have an under-lying meaning.

It seems to imply: "Support the Neo-con Movement, or You're Un-American"

It's Propaganda at it's finest.

[parke]

I work with USAF, USMC, USN and ARMY on a daily basis.

I see kids get shipped off to war every fkn day. Gung ho Marines ready to fight to the death for America.

Then I see politicians screw them over.

I support the troops. I will pick up a gun and fight along side any of them. The respect I have for these idealistic, adventurous and bright eyed kids is enormous. There are many flags in and around my home.

I support our troops. BRING THEM HOME NOW.

I like the bumper sticker. It just depends on how you see it.

[LEK]

...as if this were somehow God's war with God's troops.

Not so much a religious statement but rather the same argument that if you want the war to end you don't support the troops. Same mindset Ron Paul has been battling during this campaign.

It's a crazy logic.

[ronpaulhawaii]

I'm a bit worried a lot of people on this board are not for a strong defense/military. A main purpose of government is protection of the peoples safety.

ISTM, most people here are for a very strong defense. It is the offensive aspects of policy that disgusts me.

I support who the troops support!


I've been talking to my dad recently about this (he is ex-army). Anyways since all soliders take an oath to obey and defend the Constitution of the United States if one were to refuse to fight in Iraq I'm not sure if it were be punishible. Now, I'm not advocating this but I'm just begging the question. Since the war was not declared by Congress it is TECHNICALLY unconstitutional by Article I, Section 8, Clause 11. The Founders were very explicit that the executive could not go to war without a declaration from the Congress. And I was thinking since the soldier's oath pertains to the Constitution is he indeed obligated to fight in an UNCONSTITUTIONAL war? Just wondering...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada



He used as justification for his request that the war violated the Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution) and War Powers Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Act) which "limits the president in his role as Commander in Chief from using the armed forces in any way he sees fit." He also cited the UN Charter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Charter), the Geneva Conventions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions), and the Nuremberg Principles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Principles), which "bar wars of aggression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_war)." He argued the command responsibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_responsibility) would make him personally responsible and liable for legal challenges for violating international law. Further, he asserted that the war was based on misleading or false premises such as the existence of weapons of mass destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction) in Iraq and links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda), and that the occupation itself did not follow the Army's own legal rules of conduct for occupying a country.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada#cite_note-Truthout-10)
Watada has said he is not a conscientious objector (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector) because he is not opposed to all wars as a matter of principle, and he claims he has offered to serve in Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan),[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada#cite_note-SeattlePI060620-2) which he regarded as "an unambiguous war linked to the Sept. 11 attacks." This was also refused. Watada, in turn, refused an offer for a desk job in Iraq without direct combat involvement.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehren_Watada#cite_note-NewYorkTimes-8)

[soapmistress]

HOLY crap i would pay to see that... Hell id do that myself but a hillary supporter would probably slice my tires

Yep. But we can make stickers to put on other things!

[kigol]

wow