All London cops to be chipped like dogs

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

According to this article all London police are going to be tagged with RFID chips. No chip, no more job for them.

http://blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6189

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=558597&in_page_id=1770

Met Police officers to be 'microchipped' by top brass in Big Brother style tracking scheme


Every single Metropolitan police officer will be 'microchipped' so top brass can monitor their movements on a Big Brother style tracking scheme, it can be revealed today.


According to respected industry magazine Police Review, the plan - which affects all 31,000 serving officers in the Met, including Sir Ian Blair - is set to replace the unreliable Airwave radio system currently used to help monitor officer's movements.

The new electronic tracking device - called the Automated Personal Location System (APLS) - means that officers will never be out of range of supervising officers.

But many serving officers fear being turned into "Robocops" - controlled by bosses who have not been out on the beat in years.

According to service providers Telent, the new technology 'will enable operators in the Service's operations centres to identify the location of each police officer' at any time they are on duty - whether overground or underground.

Although police chiefs say the new technology is about 'improving officer safety' and reacting to incidents more quickly, many rank and file believe it is just a Big Brother style system to keep tabs on them and make sure they don't 'doze off on duty'.

Some officers are concerned that the system - which will be able to pinpoint any of the 31,000 officers in the Met to within a few feet of their location - will put a complete end to community policing and leave officers purely at the beck and call of control room staff rather than reacting to members of the public on the ground.

Pete Smyth, chairman of the Met Police Federation, said: "This could be very good for officers' safety but it could also involve an element of Big Brother.

"We need to look at it very carefully."

Other officers, however, were more scathing, saying the new system - set to be implemented within the next few weeks - will turn them into 'Robocops' simply obeying instructions from above rather than using their own judgement.

One officer, working in Peckham, south London, said: "They are keeping the exact workings of the system very hush-hush at the moment - although it will be similar to the way criminals are electronically tagged. There will not be any choice about wearing one.

"We depend on our own ability and local knowledge to react to situations accordingly.

"Obviously we need the back up and information from control, but a lot of us feel that we will simply be used as machines, or robots, to do what we are told with little or no chance to put in anything ourselves."

He added: "Most of us joined up so we could apply the law and think for ourselves, but if Sarge knows where we are every second of the day it just makes it difficult."

Another officer, who did not want to be named, said: "A lot of my time is spent speaking to people in cafes, parks or just wherever I'm approached. If I feel I've got my chief breathing down my neck to make another arrest I won't feel I'm doing my job properly."

The system is one of the largest of its kind in the world, according to Telent, the company behind the technology, although neither the Met nor Telent would provide Police Review with any more information about exactly how the system will work or what sort of devices officers will wear.

Nigel Lee, a workstream manager at the Met, said: "Safety is a primary concern for all police forces.

"The area served by our force covers 620 miles and knowing the location of our officers means that not only can we provision resource more quickly, but should an officer need assistance, we can get to them even more quickly."

Forces currently have the facility to track all their officers through GPS devices on their Airwave radio headsets, but this is subject to headsets being up to date and forces buying the back office systems to accompany them, according to Airwave.

Steve Rands, health and safety head for the Met Police Federation, told Police Review: "This is so that we know where officers are. Let us say that when voice distortion or sound quality over the radio is lost, if you cannot hear where that officer telling you where he is, you can still pinpoint his exact position by global positioning system.

"If he needs help but you cannot hear him for whatever reason, APLS will say where he is."

[Dr.3D]

What next, the military to be tagged? Then our military... and then the civilians?

[Bruno]

Holy shizznit. They already have more cameras than any other city in the world. This is our future.

[torchbearer]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The pigs are getting tagged. Priceless!
Maybe they will lead the armed revolt? Or at least do nothing to stop it. ;)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/428341583_79f8bab39a.jpg

[Bruno]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The pigs are getting tagged. Priceless!
Maybe they will lead the armed revolt? Or at least do nothing to stop it. ;)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/428341583_79f8bab39a.jpg

LOL! I wasn't really thinking about that angle. At least they are going to lose their freedoms first! :D

[torchbearer]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The pigs are getting tagged. Priceless!
Maybe they will lead the armed revolt? Or at least do nothing to stop it. ;)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/428341583_79f8bab39a.jpg

When the neocons look at us.. this is all they see... production animals to be herded and tagged. Used for their own gain, for they are the masters, and we are the slave.
They laugh at us and mock us as they design the plans to tag us like animals. For our own good, they will tell us...

[Sarge]

American's better wake up and wake up fast.

If it comes down to me wearing a chip or not traveling, guess which one.

I feel for the younger ones in the US if it ever gets to this. Forced to wear a chip or you can't travel. I have enjoyed life, so it will not impact me as much as our sons.

I wish Dr. Paul would introduce a bill against forcing American's to wear or have chips implanted. Cover either way right now.

The bill would wake up people fast. He should cite this article and say I intend to stop it before it ever gets to that in the US.

[thuja]

do NOT chip your dog! www.spychips.com chips cause cancer when implanted in the animal (or person)

[torchbearer]

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[Mckarnin]

According to this article all London police are going to be implanted with RFID chips. No chip, no more job for them.

http://blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6189

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=558597&in_page_id=1770

Met Police officers to be 'microchipped' by top brass in Big Brother style tracking scheme


Every single Metropolitan police officer will be 'microchipped' so top brass can monitor their movements on a Big Brother style tracking scheme, it can be revealed today.


According to respected industry magazine Police Review, the plan - which affects all 31,000 serving officers in the Met, including Sir Ian Blair - is set to replace the unreliable Airwave radio system currently used to help monitor officer's movements.

The new electronic tracking device - called the Automated Personal Location System (APLS) - means that officers will never be out of range of supervising officers.

But many serving officers fear being turned into "Robocops" - controlled by bosses who have not been out on the beat in years.

According to service providers Telent, the new technology 'will enable operators in the Service's operations centres to identify the location of each police officer' at any time they are on duty - whether overground or underground.

Although police chiefs say the new technology is about 'improving officer safety' and reacting to incidents more quickly, many rank and file believe it is just a Big Brother style system to keep tabs on them and make sure they don't 'doze off on duty'.

Some officers are concerned that the system - which will be able to pinpoint any of the 31,000 officers in the Met to within a few feet of their location - will put a complete end to community policing and leave officers purely at the beck and call of control room staff rather than reacting to members of the public on the ground.

Pete Smyth, chairman of the Met Police Federation, said: "This could be very good for officers' safety but it could also involve an element of Big Brother.

"We need to look at it very carefully."

Other officers, however, were more scathing, saying the new system - set to be implemented within the next few weeks - will turn them into 'Robocops' simply obeying instructions from above rather than using their own judgement.

One officer, working in Peckham, south London, said: "They are keeping the exact workings of the system very hush-hush at the moment - although it will be similar to the way criminals are electronically tagged. There will not be any choice about wearing one.

"We depend on our own ability and local knowledge to react to situations accordingly.

"Obviously we need the back up and information from control, but a lot of us feel that we will simply be used as machines, or robots, to do what we are told with little or no chance to put in anything ourselves."

He added: "Most of us joined up so we could apply the law and think for ourselves, but if Sarge knows where we are every second of the day it just makes it difficult."

Another officer, who did not want to be named, said: "A lot of my time is spent speaking to people in cafes, parks or just wherever I'm approached. If I feel I've got my chief breathing down my neck to make another arrest I won't feel I'm doing my job properly."

The system is one of the largest of its kind in the world, according to Telent, the company behind the technology, although neither the Met nor Telent would provide Police Review with any more information about exactly how the system will work or what sort of devices officers will wear.

Nigel Lee, a workstream manager at the Met, said: "Safety is a primary concern for all police forces.

"The area served by our force covers 620 miles and knowing the location of our officers means that not only can we provision resource more quickly, but should an officer need assistance, we can get to them even more quickly."

Forces currently have the facility to track all their officers through GPS devices on their Airwave radio headsets, but this is subject to headsets being up to date and forces buying the back office systems to accompany them, according to Airwave.

Steve Rands, health and safety head for the Met Police Federation, told Police Review: "This is so that we know where officers are. Let us say that when voice distortion or sound quality over the radio is lost, if you cannot hear where that officer telling you where he is, you can still pinpoint his exact position by global positioning system.

"If he needs help but you cannot hear him for whatever reason, APLS will say where he is."



Why can't they just stick the chip in a dog tag or bracelet that the officers wear while on duty only? I still think it is a stupid idea but why does it have to be in their body?

[amy31416]

Why can't they just stick the chip in a dog tag or bracelet that the officers wear while on duty only? I still think it is a stupid idea but why does it have to be in their body?

Because that would not be like 1984 and what fun is that?

[Sandra]

According to the article, they will "wear" it.

[stilltrying]

what gets me about this stuff is you never hear or see them saying that the chief or the DHS Director or whatever england has that relates to chertoff title listed as getting one. the directors should be made to get them first since they are leading the whole police force. if one of them(directors/upper management) gets lost then the whole police force might disband and suddenly become unable to think about how to police the public since these know it alls are missing. if i was an england PO i would tell them to shove it. if chertoff wants the states to get real ids and chips then i belive on public television these yahoos ought to be shown getting this done to themselves first. even if they did it still wouldnt change the fact that i wont get one but these hypocrites dont have any plans on putting it in themselves.

[Zolah]

Why can't they just stick the chip in a dog tag or bracelet that the officers wear while on duty only? I still think it is a stupid idea but why does it have to be in their body?

Because that's what they do to low-level criminals in UK, and too many people would complain about criminals and police being treated the same way :p just reread the article, missed the paragraph about the system being a bracelet similar to ASBOs :eek: shocking, I thought it would be more like GPS tracking systems on a piece of equipment, but this still falls under the civil liberties vs your livelihood proposition, which makes it effective

The key for progressing tagging is to tag minorities, until so many minorities are tagged that the tagged become a majority.

Not many people complain if prisoners are to be chipped, not many people complain if rig workers have to get ID cards, not many people complain that chips are put in passports, not many people complain that airport security get tagged, not many people complain that low-level criminals get tagged (ASBO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbo)), not many people complained when they implemented Real ID-style cards in all school systems, I don't suspect many people will complain if Police officers are tagged in some way, they're also talking about forcing asylum seekers and immigrants in UK to get ID cards now ...

This is effective because it targets people who the general public have little sympathy for, or the general public believe tagging these particular groups will improve safety, even though the majority of the general public are against Real ID. It's important that there's a difference in the tagging of Police and airport security compared to prisoners and criminals though, because people enough people would complain if they felt like they were being treated like criminals for no reason.

It is also effective because the other sections of people being tagged have their livelihoods threatened, i.e rig workers would be a security risk if they refuse to get ID cards, Police would be a security risk if they refused to be chipped, etc. It's at this point that people with strong beliefs about civil liberties are forced to choose between keeping their jobs in the sacrifice of being chipped, or losing their livelihood, you can find that this is a very effective way of manipulating people into doing something against their beliefs, standing up for your civil liberties won't feed your children.

So when a couple generations of schoolchildren have become fully accustomed to Real ID-style cards, they won't make much of a fuss when they're forced to fork over a couple hundred pounds for the real Real ID cards. And when more job sectors are targetted for ID cards or chips 'for safety reasons', there will be more people who are chipped or forced to get ID cards, because they don't want to lose their livelihood. Then even if the National ID act is rejected, there will be so many job sectors that have been forced to get ID cards, that it won't matter if the ID act failed, the government would be able to keep forcing employers to get their employees ID cards for security reasons, and eventually all these minorities of people that have been forced to get ID cards and/or chipped or tagged, that not many people complained about, will have become a tagged majority, then the rest will be obliged to get ID cards.

If you asked people what they thought about London implementing 2 million CCTV cameras within a week, 20 or 30 years ago, there would be huge outrage, but just like the frog in the pot of cold water and slowly boil it, if you implement a couple cameras every day, for a couple decades, there won't be many people complaining, even when the amount of cameras soar into the hundreds of thousands and millions.

There was recently a link to a 1947 video about the rise of National Socialism in Germany, and how it initially affected a handful of minorities, and the thing to remember is that we're all a part of many minorities, and eventually we'll all be targetted.

I'm feeling more and more like crazy conspiracy theorists of the past however many decades, weren't so crazy at all, when you look at just the facts of the stuff that's been proven, it can be quite scary. Even sort of minor things, like GPS tracking systems in mobile phones, I thought it was a black-helicopter-type thing when I first heard about it but it's completely true. I think there's 3 ways to push an agenda forwards: (a) small things done in secrecy, below radar, whereupon by the time people find out it's too late to do anything (b) make people want your agenda by changing their opinions, usually with fear mongering (c) straight-up force the agenda onto people

[hypnagogue]

I fail to see the issue. They wear some item on their belt that shows HQ where they are. Their shift ends, they take off their gear and go home. There is no civil liberty issue here.

Hell, you'd think most of us would want better accounts of what our police are up to.

I think we have a bit of the sky falling in this thread.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I think chips should remain a voluntary matter.

[torchbearer]

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[torchbearer]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The pigs are getting tagged. Priceless!
Maybe they will lead the armed revolt? Or at least do nothing to stop it. ;)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/428341583_79f8bab39a.jpg

oink. in tribute to all the pigs who have protected the powers that be... may you wake up before its too late.

[MS0453]

According to the article, they will "wear" it.

Yes, its not meant to be implanted under the skin.

[Pauls' Revere]

Why can't they just stick the chip in a dog tag or bracelet that the officers wear while on duty only? I still think it is a stupid idea but why does it have to be in their body?

Because they will put it in public service employees "for safety/security" then we will all have them. Once they tout how effective they are. It's all about control and who gets to keep it.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I won't be using any chips until I see the elites get them first

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The pigs are getting tagged. Priceless!

You're a fucking moron.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I won't be using any chips until I see the elites get them first

Same goes for you

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Same goes for you

Uh, what? It's a weird issue. They can be nice in voluntary ways, but they can also be abused as well.

[Dr.3D]

You're a fucking moron.

Why did you say that?
Did you find the picture offensive?

[torchbearer]

You're a fucking moron.

If you don't see the irony of this.. you are the fucking moron.
So go fuck yourself.
You bring so much to this forum. Stick around and troll some more. It's what made this forum so great to begin with... pricks like you.
Congrats, you won the internets.

[AutoDas]

When you work for the government, you expect to lose all civil rights.

[torchbearer]

When you work for the government, you expect to lose all civil rights.

The people in power see us as animals. WHo would put "tags" on their "brothers and sisters"?
You tag animals, so you know where your property is... and what belongs to you, and what belongs to the other Collectivist camp.

[torchbearer]

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[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Uh, what? It's a weird issue. They can be nice in voluntary ways, but they can also be abused as well.

your dumb because you would accept tags as long as the elites get them. "Well as long as the gubment gets them, I guess they are fine"


As for this other clown, I dont see where the paranoid fear of cops comes from. "Ohh mommy, the bad man is coming. I watch too many movies, now I think all cops are pigs!"

[Dr.3D]

Can we say oink?

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Can we say oink?

Its just so silly.

All the cops I have ever encountered are just normal guys. Where are all these Stormtroopers you guys have been running into? I have never met them.

[Dr.3D]

Its just so silly.

All the cops I have ever encountered are just normal guys. Where are all these Stormtroopers you guys have been running into? I have never met them.

Then why are so many people being killed by them using tasers?
It is almost as if they enjoy inflicting pain on those people.

How do you explain the videos we see where they are using those devices on people who have done little to require such extreme measures?

You can't say those are just some who stand out, it isn't like somebody is going to just randomly catch only the bad apples. I'm sure a lot more happens that isn't caught on video.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Then why are so many people being killed by them using tasers?
It is almost as if they enjoy inflicting pain on those people.

How do you explain the videos we see where they are using those devices on people who have done little to require such extreme measures?

You can't say those are just some who stand out, it isn't like somebody is going to just randomly catch only the bad apples. I'm sure a lot more happens that isn't caught on video.

I just watched a video of teenage girls beating another teenage girl. Therefore all teenage girls are crazy ass bitches who should be feared.

On a similar note, all girls are cum guzzling whores. How else do you explain why there are so many of them on adult websites?


Do you see what I did there?

[Dr.3D]

I just watched a video of teenage girls beating another teenage girl. Therefore all teenage girls are crazy ass bitches who should be feared.

On a similar note, all girls are cum guzzling whores. How else do you explain why there are so many of them on adult websites?


Do you see what I did there?

Yes, I saw that, and the bad girls are getting what they deserve. They have been arrested. Are the bad cops being arrested?

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Yes, I saw that, and the bad girls are getting what they deserve. They have been arrested. Are the bad cops being arrested?

You are missing the point. How dense are you?

[Dr.3D]

You are missing the point. How dense are you?

Probably dense enough to be your father.

Edit: Explain this activity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-1nXfRny64

When you make a point, perhaps I won't miss it.
So far you are failing to make any kind of a point.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Probably dense enough to be your father.

Let me explain to make it clear:

Case 1: I have heard of dozens of cases of cops tazering, shooting, and killing in circumstances where it was absolutely the inappropriate thing to do. Therefor, all cops are pigs, or at least 90% of them are. They are evil macho men on a powertrip. I rejoice when one gets whats coming to them

Case 2. I have seen thousands of women on the internet in various lewd acts of sex. Im talking about some crazy ass shit. Stuff you cant unsee, no matter how hard you try. Some of the stuff coming out of Japan can only be explained by the fact that we nuked them. Therefor, all women are sluts, whores, bitches, and hoes. The muslims have the right idea keeping them wrapped up all the time, because they are pure whore magic.



If you agree with Case 1, it is only logical that you also agree with Case 2. Do you understand?

[Dr.3D]

Let me explain to make it clear:

Case 1: I have heard of dozens of cases of cops tazering, shooting, and killing in circumstances where it was absolutely the inappropriate thing to do. Therefor, all cops are pigs, or at least 90% of them are. They are evil macho men on a powertrip. I rejoice when one gets whats coming to them

Case 2. I have seen thousands of women on the internet in various lewd acts of sex. Im talking about some crazy ass shit. Stuff you cant unsee, no matter how hard you try. Some of the stuff coming out of Japan can only be explained by the fact that we nuked them. Therefor, all women are sluts, whores, bitches, and hoes. The muslims have the right idea keeping them wrapped up all the time, because they are pure whore magic.



If you agree with Case 1, it is only logical that you also agree with Case 2. Do you understand?

I disagree with Case 1..... it is just what we see and it upsets us.
Of course, judging from my own encounters with the police, I find many, not all of them to be a lot like the ones who are doing the evil we see in the videos.

As for the women.... well, that is what you should expect to find on the internet.

Sure there are some good cops.... perhaps even 80% or more are good.... but you are not going to see them in any videos because they are doing their jobs as they are supposed to be doing them.

It is the bad apples we are going to see in the videos..... how do we get them to justice?

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

So why arnt you in the thread about the woman getting arrested for dancing, and putting up a picture of a hoe? Isnt she just a woman whore who got what she had coming?

[Dr.3D]

So why arnt you in the thread about the woman getting arrested for dancing, and putting up a picture of a hoe? Isnt she just a woman whore who got what she had coming?

I don't respond to every thread.... if I did, I would be busy 'arguing' , I wouldn't have time to do anything else.

For that matter, I didn't even see a thread about a woman putting up a picture of a hoe. I did however see one where some woman was arrested for dancing..... I didn't see any mention of any picture of a hoe. What ever a hoe is supposed to be.

My grandmother used to use a hoe out in the garden.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

I don't respond to every thread.... if I did, I would be busy 'arguing' , I wouldn't have time to do anything else.

For that matter, I didn't even see a thread about a woman putting up a picture of a hoe. I did however see one where some woman was arrested for dancing..... I didn't see any mention of any picture of a hoe. What ever a hoe is supposed to be.

My grandmother used to use a hoe out in the garden.

God, you are thick

Why are you not posting a picture of a gardening hoe in the dancing woman thread?

[Dr.3D]

God, you are thick

Why are you not posting a picture of a gardening hoe in the dancing woman thread?

Do you talk to all your elders in such a way? I'm 61 years old.... what am I supposed to think when I see the word hoe?

There was no mention of a hoe in the dancing woman thread or perhaps I would have posted a picture of a gardening hoe.

[Dr.3D]

Oh, now I think I understand why you wonder about a hoe..... you think the dancing woman is a hoe.

Now where did you get that idea the woman was a hoe? Do you know something about her the rest of us are not privy to?

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Oh, now I think I understand why you wonder about a hoe..... you think the dancing woman is a hoe.

Now where did you get that idea the woman was a hoe? Do you know something about her the rest of us are not privy to?


Where did you get the idea the tagged cops are pigs?

look, you are clearly not a very intelligent man. Im trying to make this clear, but you just dont get it.

[Dr.3D]

Where did you get the idea the tagged cops are pigs?

look, you are clearly not a very intelligent man. Im trying to make this clear, but you just dont get it.

I never said tagged cops are pigs.....
Must have been your own evaluation.

As for my intelligence.... I didn't get a Ph.D. for being ignorant.

[Zolah]

Well I for one thought the pig connotations were funny :p and I'm one of the people that might be affected by this article, if some bigwigs decide that spending more money on tagging on police is effective or efficient and decide to make it commonplace in UK.

Sideburns' posts are best ignored from what I've seen in this thread, hate-trolling.

[mrsat_98]

I think chips should remain a voluntary matter. What if they don't volunteer


You're a fucking moron. You should be neg repped.


The people in power see us as animals. WHo would put "tags" on their "brothers and sisters"?
You tag animals, so you know where your property is... and what belongs to you, and what belongs to the other Collectivist camp.

I'm came here to kick ass and plus rep torchbearer, and I'm all outta plus rep.

[Anti Federalist]

LOL, funny to look at this from 2008.

Especially since most of the apologists have slunk off, and the standing army has gotten much brutal.

Fuck...I hate being right all the time about this shit.