View Full Version : Gen. Petraeus insists U.S. needs to stay in Iraq indefinitely
Give me liberty
04-09-2008, 07:33 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/04/09/2008-04-09_gen_petraeus_insists_us_needs_to_stay_in.html
Gen. David Petraeus said Tuesday that at least 140,000 U.S. troops should remain indefinitely in Iraq - and also appeared to move the goalposts for defining the success of their mission.
Despite genuine gains, "We haven't turned any corners, we haven't seen any lights at the end of the tunnel. The champagne bottle has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator. And the progress, while real, is fragile and is reversible," he cautioned the Senate Armed Services Committee.
:mad::mad:
So who wants Ron paul now??
McCain wont bring the troops home, (Never, in fact he will go to war with iran)
Obama Change nothing wont bring the troops home in 60 days, he stated that he would like to attack Pakistan because he thinks
bin laden is still alive.
hawks4ronpaul
04-09-2008, 08:18 AM
See
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=132353
Exactly. The goal post keeps moving.
And he so much as said we have made little if any progress.
So, all those famous victories we hear about in the media and every time one of our traitorous congressthings returns from an Iraq junket are just exactly what we thought: garbage.
Color me surprised.
See
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=132353
The 100 acre US Embassy certainly intimates a long term occupation. The intent from the very onset of this (supposed) debacle. The intent for decades. Do they think we're stupid? No, they don't care what we think.
How interesting it will be when the MAJORITY of the military personnel finally understand they are fodder for the government.
How interesting when the number of enlistees drops off because NO-ONE will want to go to the hell that is being perpetuated in the Middle East.
How interesting and tragic as the death toll rises and a draft becomes a necessary evil of this very evil global monster.
Midnight77
04-09-2008, 09:11 AM
Gen. Petraeus insists U.S. needs to stay in Iraq indefinitely
Saying so under orders from President Bush ... of course. He's not allowed to say anything to the contrary.
Gotta love how our two favorite sabre-rattlers ... John McCain and Joe Lieberman were still beating the drum of Iran.
Cleaner44
04-09-2008, 09:19 AM
So... if we just stay forever, sometime soon we may see some progress, that might hold for a while, as long as it doesn't slip back, that will allow us to stay longer, so we can gain some ground and secure a bit of progress that is needed so we can maintain troop levels, so as not to allow an erosion of the progress we have already secured.?!
Well, the important thing is that we are keeping Al Qieda from getting a footing. I mean can you imagine what our security would be like if Osama bin Laden had a safe place to hide and train more terrorists? Let's call this utopian imaginary place... "Pakistan". So if Osama bin Laden were allowed to live in "Pakistan" for years after 9/11, we would obviously be idiots for failing to secure our safety. Thank Bush that we Gen. Petraeus keeping us safe!
joe in ohio
04-09-2008, 09:53 AM
Iraq is nothing more than the testing ground for the war on America.Petraeus and Crocker more or less told the senate that they will do with Iraq as they want.For They both said the treaty they are working on will not be seen or even be brought before the senate.Here are 2 of the many signs of the war on America.You tube-wake up America we must repeal the patriot act now and www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/08/iraq.us
WarningSLO
04-09-2008, 10:16 AM
Petraeus is in front of the house today. I wonder if Paul will get his chance to grill him.
Andrew-Austin
04-09-2008, 10:27 AM
I wonder what Betrayus thinks of the economy.
RonPaulwillWin
04-09-2008, 10:51 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/04/09/2008-04-09_gen_petraeus_insists_us_needs_to_stay_in.html
Gen. David Petraeus said Tuesday that at least 140,000 U.S. troops should remain indefinitely in Iraq - and also appeared to move the goalposts for defining the success of their mission.
Despite genuine gains, "We haven't turned any corners, we haven't seen any lights at the end of the tunnel. The champagne bottle has been pushed to the back of the refrigerator. And the progress, while real, is fragile and is reversible," he cautioned the Senate Armed Services Committee.
:mad::mad:
So who wants Ron paul now??
McCain wont bring the troops home, (Never, in fact he will go to war with iran)
Obama Change nothing wont bring the troops home in 60 days, he stated that he would like to attack Pakistan because he thinks
bin laden is still alive.
Whats wrong with going after Bin Laden? I fucking hate obama but don't be a pussy.
acptulsa
04-09-2008, 10:56 AM
Whats wrong with going after Bin Laden?
Good question. I guarantee you that Saddam Hussein was too jealous of his power to have ever let him into Iraq.
RonPaulGuyEastWA
04-09-2008, 10:59 AM
It's on CSPAN now at http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3.
Shink
04-09-2008, 11:19 AM
Whats wrong with going after Bin Laden? I fucking hate obama but don't be a pussy.
You think someone on dialysis since 1996 is hopping through caves and scaling mountains in Pakistan? OBL=mythical boogeyman. If you haven't actually fought in Iraq or Afghanistan, then you are a total chickenhawk. Think things through.
Elegy
04-09-2008, 12:24 PM
You think someone on dialysis since 1996 is hopping through caves and scaling mountains in Pakistan?
Yeah, more than likely he's been dead and has been for a couple years.
Join The Paul Side
04-09-2008, 12:31 PM
The saddest part is that outside of our circle of sane and rational Ron Paul Supporters, nobody is really going to care until this war and McCain's future wars collapse the economy. When the dollar goes to hell and gas is $4-5 a gallon and people can't feed their family, then they will give a shit.......when it's too late. Until then enjoy your Paris Hilton and Britanny Spears coverage by the MSM.
nbhadja
04-09-2008, 01:07 PM
David Petraeus is a ****** piece of shit murderer.
Cleaner44
04-09-2008, 01:50 PM
David Petraeus is a ****** piece of shit murderer.
More acurately, he is a kiss ass that will always report Iraq to be an improving but fragile situation that needs our constant attention and his continuing leadership. His concern is only Iraq and not the biger picture of American security and our economy. As long as he is being paid to do that job, he will continue to keep it going and cash those checks, just like the rest of the war profiteers.
Geronimo
04-09-2008, 04:45 PM
Make sure to add General Petridish to your mental list of CFR members.
michaelwise
04-09-2008, 06:57 PM
Al-Qaeda and terrorists are no more than a mosquito bite on America's ass. Does it make sense to spend hundreds of billions of dollars and lose thousands of American lives fighting an enemy that has no army, navy, air force, or military bases? If they happen to hit us again, it will be no more than a flesh wound. It's not like they can take out a city or multiple cities. Trust me, we can take a hit once in a while to a building or two and bounce back. Why bankrupt our entire country and risk thousands of solders lives battling a mosquito? A strategic hit on known terrorist outposts is all that is necessary. Engaging in a war against a tactic called terrorism is not winnable. Anyone with half a brain knows you can't win a war against a tactic.
Midnight77
04-09-2008, 07:20 PM
Al-Qaeda and terrorists are no more than a mosquito bite on America's ass. Does it make sense to spend hundreds of billions of dollars and lose thousands of American lives fighting an enemy that has no army, navy, air force, or military bases? If they happen to hit us again, it will be no more than a flesh wound. It's not like they can take out a city or multiple cities. Trust me, we can take a hit once in a while to a building or two and bounce back. Why bankrupt our entire country and risk thousands of solders lives battling a mosquito? A strategic hit on known terrorist outposts is all that is necessary. Engaging in a war against a tactic called terrorism is not winnable. Anyone with half a brain knows you can't win a war against a tactic.
But then they make the same old argument ... "well look at what that 'mosquito' did to us on 9/11." It will always go back to 9/11.
justatrey
04-09-2008, 07:22 PM
Whats wrong with going after Bin Laden? I fucking hate obama but don't be a pussy.
I still wonder why Benazir Bhutto said Osama Bin Laden was murdered.
If you haven't seen it, go to 2:14 in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg
James Madison
04-09-2008, 07:23 PM
I hate to say it but the only solution I see to this mess is the US putting another Saddam in power. Say what you want about the way he treated his people, at least with Saddam wasn't any Al-Qaida in the country and the influence of Iran stopped at the Iraqi border.
Shink
04-10-2008, 12:15 PM
I hate to say it but the only solution I see to this mess is the US putting another Saddam in power. Say what you want about the way he treated his people, at least with Saddam wasn't any Al-Qaida in the country and the influence of Iran stopped at the Iraqi border.
This is pure ignorance. Have you listened to a word Ron Paul has said? Did you notice all those times the US intervened leading to utter failure, death, enormous financial loss, the creation of phony or real enemies, and the following loss of civil liberties? The only Al Qaeda is Al CIAda.
I have no stomach for people cheerleading the government's actions regarding Iraq. Go there and see for yourself--the only people shooting at troops are the ones who are sick of BEING OCCUPIED. Not Al Qaeda, not some phantom worldwide army of brown people. Leave the fairy tales behind and your life will improve.
lucius
04-10-2008, 01:41 PM
Al-Qaeda and terrorists are no more than a mosquito bite on America's ass. Does it make sense to spend hundreds of billions of dollars and lose thousands of American lives fighting an enemy that has no army, navy, air force, or military bases? If they happen to hit us again, it will be no more than a flesh wound. It's not like they can take out a city or multiple cities. Trust me, we can take a hit once in a while to a building or two and bounce back. Why bankrupt our entire country and risk thousands of solders lives battling a mosquito? A strategic hit on known terrorist outposts is all that is necessary. Engaging in a war against a tactic called terrorism is not winnable. Anyone with half a brain knows you can't win a war against a tactic.
"In brief, for the United States, Eurasian geostrategy involves the purposeful management of geostrategically dynamic states and the careful handling of geopolitically catalytic states, in keeping with the twin interests of America in the short-term preservation of its unique global power and in the long-run transformation of it into increasingly institutionalized global cooperation. To put it in a terminology that hearkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together."
Zbigniew Brzezinski in "The Grand Chessboard", P. 40, 2nd paragraph.
What a sweet man! :rolleyes: This book was published in 1997; here is another gem from p. 24-25, "The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more ambivalent. The public supported America's engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor."
A colleague and critic of Brzezinski, Dr. Johannes Koeppl, who was seconded from the German defense ministry to NATO in the late 1970s, expressed the gravest concerns about this current conflict, "This is more than a war against terrorism. This is a war against the citizens of all countries. The current elites are creating so much fear that people don't know how to respond. But they must remember. This is a move to implement a world dictatorship within the next five years. There may not be another chance."
Can you imagine the size of a "Just come home" monkey-wrench?
Carole
04-10-2008, 02:00 PM
I predict gas goes to $7 per gallon.
As Bush said-go out and shop, travel our great country.
Carole
04-10-2008, 02:02 PM
Imagine all the dead people, sacrificed American soldiers, and billions of dollars we have spent as a result of nineteen thugs.
And the loss of liberty. All this warring against Americans by our gvernment.
:mad:
Mattsa
04-10-2008, 02:40 PM
If Bush's curtain call is an attack on Iran................
What will be the reaction of the American people?
I ask this as a UK citizen
Would it be a step too far for the American people if Bush used a nuclear first strike against Iran?
What would be the reaction of America to that?
aravoth
04-10-2008, 02:42 PM
Would it be a step too far for the American people if Bush used a nuclear first strike against Iran?
Yes
What would be the reaction of America to that?
I don't want to even think about it.
Join The Paul Side
04-10-2008, 03:10 PM
If Bush's curtain call is an attack on Iran................
What will be the reaction of the American people?
I ask this as a UK citizen
Would it be a step too far for the American people if Bush used a nuclear first strike against Iran?
What would be the reaction of America to that?
You ask good questions. If Bush hit Iran with nukes, I would hope that the American People would band togeather and put the fear of god on Congress to impeach that son of a bitch before we start a real revolution and oust all of their asses. :mad:
It's time all these motherfuckers be held accountable for their treasons. :mad:
Excuse my language, but this shit truly pisses me off deep down inside. :cool:
scandinaviany3
04-10-2008, 03:10 PM
enough is enough cut all aid to countries that put the whole burden on us to fix iraq...for the next decade.
Then those that didnt we keep giving aid...
Will give incentive for lazy people to get involved with the one thing the UN is supposed to do ...and let us go home...
We do not understand them so lets not try to...and take the money we save from that foreign aid penalty and not being there to pay down the debt and start a mass buy up through Soc Sec of all hard assets and put it on its own currency outside the fed and only controlled by the Sec of Treasury.
James Madison
04-10-2008, 03:17 PM
This is pure ignorance. Have you listened to a word Ron Paul has said? Did you notice all those times the US intervened leading to utter failure, death, enormous financial loss, the creation of phony or real enemies, and the following loss of civil liberties? The only Al Qaeda is Al CIAda.
I have no stomach for people cheerleading the government's actions regarding Iraq. Go there and see for yourself--the only people shooting at troops are the ones who are sick of BEING OCCUPIED. Not Al Qaeda, not some phantom worldwide army of brown people. Leave the fairy tales behind and your life will improve.
I'm not cheerleading the government's actions. All I'm saying is with the removal of Saddam's secular regime, the majority in Iraq (Shi'ite's) have taken over the Iraqi government. What was once a secular state is turning into another recruiting tool for these organizations. And yes, I'm well aware that the CIA created Al-Qaida back in the late 70s but to declare them a non-factor in this is absurd. Besides why is it that we would want Iraq to have free elections when they would just elect people who are dangerous to America. Case in point, the Palestinians elected Hammas and Lebannon empowered Hezbolah(sp?). Seeing as how I'm one of those so called "brown people" I'm not sure what you mean by that or that if you were trying to imply that I was racist.
James Madison
04-10-2008, 03:20 PM
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Then those that didnt we keep giving aid...
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I would go one step futher and say no more tax-payer funded foreign aid.
Mattsa
04-11-2008, 08:48 AM
You ask good questions. If Bush hit Iran with nukes, I would hope that the American People would band togeather and put the fear of god on Congress to impeach that son of a bitch before we start a real revolution and oust all of their asses. :mad:
It's time all these motherfuckers be held accountable for their treasons. :mad:
Excuse my language, but this shit truly pisses me off deep down inside. :cool:
To Avroth and Join The Paul Side
I really hope you are right because time is running out
America is sliding rapidly into a militarist dictatorship. I wouldn't put anything past Bush and Cheney. They are VERY evil and dangerous people
It says something when the people you fear most are your own government and the government of your allies. I find NeoConservatism terrifying.
So I hope you are right
I hope the American people will see the light and fight for their freedom and liberty because be under no illusion, that is going on in the world, the insane foreign policy, the destruction of the US and UK economies is DELIBERATE and politically motivated.
Time is very very short if disaster is to be averted
I plead with all right minded American people to protect the Constitution and do what is necessary should Bush and his clique of robber barons cross the rubicon......and by that I mean launch another crusade against Iran. It MUST NOT HAPPEN
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