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im_a_pepper
08-20-2007, 12:09 PM
from http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=47579
posted 16 minutes ago


Ron Paul Tops Straw Poll Trend?
Monday, August 20, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com

Unnoticed, or at least unreported by the mainstream press, GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-Tex) seems to be doing very well in straw polls – finishing first, second or third and often convincingly beating so-called “top tier” candidates such as Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani..

Sources close to the Ron Paul campaign point to articles about Ron Paul’s performance in recent straw polls but admit that there does not seem to be a single over-arching article summarizing his performance. “If it were a top-tier candidate, there would be trend stories showing the strengthening of his performance and grass-roots support,” points out one source. “But since it’s Ron Paul, they don’t really seem to know what to do. They just keep reporting these disparate results and don’t seem to want to see the pattern that is building up.”

Part of the problem may be that Ron Paul continues to finish very low in national polls, and that his straw poll results and national polls thus continue to be at loggerheads. “It’s a puzzling pattern for any mainstream reporter who’s been taught to trust in national polling, not matter how misleading we know that polling can be,” says this source. “It leads to cognitive dissonance, and that in turn leads to reportorial paralysis.”

This source and others are convinced that the straw poll results and other upcoming electoral events are continuing to solidify Ron Paul’s presence as a substantive candidate. In fact, the recent endorsement of Wisconsin’s Tommy Thompson is due to be followed up later this week by endorsements from two small-government GOP conservatives with “high, national name recognition” according to sources close to the Ron Paul campaign.

“Ron Paul’s small government, anti-foreign-war message is striking home with both Democrats and Republicans,” says one source aware of the upcoming endorsements. “The straw polls show that clearly. They hope for a good result in the Texas straw poll as well.”

Here are some statewide and regional straw polls that FMNN is aware of – in order, from first-place to fifth-place finishes.

FIRST

Alabama: first
http://www.newsandpolicy.com/news/2007/08/news-flash-ron-paul-wins-alabama-straw-poll-by-wid.html

North Carolina: first
http://bhday.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/ron-paul-wins-gaston-county-straw-poll/

New Hampshire Taxpayers: first
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=45339

New Hampshire: first
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ron_Paul_wins_NH_straw_poll_2


SECOND

National Taxpayers Union: second
http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2007/06/16/ntu-straw-poll/

South Carolina: second
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/fred-thompson-ron-paul-leaders-of-south-carolina-straw-poll.html

THIRD

NFRA (Republican straw poll): third
http://thecitizensjournalblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/fred-thomson-wins-nfra-straw-poll.html

Illinois: third
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=47471

Indiana: tied for third
http://www.blogsforfredthompson.com/fred-thompson-ties-victory-indiana-straw-poll

FIFTH

Iowa: fifth
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=47146


Tommy Thompson's endorsement has already been brought up but any predictions as to who the two GOP people are?

Hoping that they are "noted" GOP members and not a couple of no-names that will have no newsworthy impact.

Dustancostine
08-20-2007, 12:10 PM
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=47579

This source and others are convinced that the straw poll results and other upcoming electoral events are continuing to solidify Ron Paul’s presence as a substantive candidate. In fact, the recent endorsement of Wisconsin’s Tommy Thompson is due to be followed up later this week by endorsements from two small-government GOP conservatives with “high, national name recognition” according to sources close to the Ron Paul campaign.

This sounds very exciting.

:)

OceanMachine7
08-20-2007, 12:11 PM
I think they meant his brother.

bc2208
08-20-2007, 12:12 PM
I didn't know Thompson declared that.

dmitchell
08-20-2007, 12:18 PM
Is it not Tommy Thompson's brother that endorsed RP?

JAHOGS
08-20-2007, 12:20 PM
Yes it is his brother that endorsed RP

JAHOGS
08-20-2007, 12:22 PM
who could be the big name recognition GOP endorsers?

noxagol
08-20-2007, 12:22 PM
Let's only hope that these guys are the real deal and do indeed have excellent name recognition.

AMack
08-20-2007, 12:26 PM
Yeah now I'm really curious as to who these guys are...

Let the speculation begin!

Thelibertywire
08-20-2007, 12:30 PM
maybe something official from Novak?

Hook
08-20-2007, 12:30 PM
Hopefully it will be Ronald Regan! :)

Hook
08-20-2007, 12:32 PM
Reagan I mean.

TexMac
08-20-2007, 12:35 PM
from http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=47579
posted 16 minutes ago




Tommy Thompson's endorsement has already been brought up but any predictions as to who the two GOP people are?

Hoping that they are "noted" GOP members and not a couple of no-names that will have no newsworthy impact.
This is a crappy source. Tommy Thompson has not endorsed Ron Paul. Even Tommy's brother Ed hasn't endorsed him officially.

These are the same idiots that posted that RP had 5 million in the bank. Don't trust them and verify everything they say before you repeat it.

foofighter20x
08-20-2007, 12:35 PM
I think they meant his brother.

They did. Tommy Thompson's brother was the one that endorsed Dr Paul.

angelatc
08-20-2007, 12:37 PM
I don't even click on their links any more. They have zero credibility, and quite possibly an agenda for a different candidate.

Spirit of '76
08-20-2007, 12:42 PM
Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

Let's face it: FMN isn't "news"; it's a pro-Paul blog with market updates.

specsaregood
08-20-2007, 12:44 PM
I don't even click on their links any more. They have zero credibility, and quite possibly an agenda for a different candidate.

Yeah, they seem supportive at first glance, but their misinformation has been damaging. I would not trust anything they say until it is backed by "official" sources.

remaxjon
08-20-2007, 12:48 PM
I have a hard time believeing anything freemarketnews has to say after they over inflated our donation numbers in Q2 and now another glaring mistake naming Tommy Thompson and not his brother. I know they are on our side but they lack any real credibility to me.

foofighter20x
08-20-2007, 12:49 PM
Yeah... It was FMNN that spread the rumours about the campaign having raised up to $5M for Q2...

Speacking of which... Have you donated this week?

foofighter20x
08-20-2007, 12:50 PM
I have a hard time believeing anything freemarketnews has to say after they over inflated our donation numbers in Q2 and now another glaring mistake naming Tommy Thompson and not his brother. I know they are on our side but they lack any real credibility to me.

You beat me by a minute. Damn you. :p

surf
08-20-2007, 12:52 PM
Buchannan and Sanford
they are both listed @ 3:1 for endorsement followed by Bush Sr. @ 20:1 and Alan ("irrational exhuberance") Greenspan at 75:1

Dustancostine
08-20-2007, 12:54 PM
Do we want Greenspan's? or Bush the Elder's for that matter?

Sanford would be huge for us in South Carolina.

BTW: As long as RP didn't let him effect policy, I would take Rove as a strategist any day.

OceanMachine7
08-20-2007, 01:01 PM
An article up on lewrockwell suggests he (Rove) was actually the one discouraging an attack on Iran in the White House...

quickmike
08-20-2007, 01:06 PM
I like FMNN but they have let me down a few times, and I think its just because they like Ron so much that they get over eager to report good news. Still, I recently started taking everything they say with a grain of salt. If they are going to say Tommy Thompson is endorsing Ron Paul and not his brother, they need to post the source, but I think they just misunderstood. I dont think TT really endorsed RP.

Still, ya gotta wonder who the two "big names" are. Maybe Barry Mannilow and Tommy Thompsons brother:D

Lets hope its real about the 2 conservatives though, otherwise FMNN will have lost all credibility with me from now on. I know its tempting to report something positive when you really like a candidate, but DAMN, what a let down when you find out its not real or at least grossly exaggerated.

Maybe this guy can sing at Ron Paul's next rally, and FMNN will report "singing sensation endorses Ron Paul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA :D

specsaregood
08-20-2007, 01:19 PM
I'm going to throw out a guess in Cali State Senator Tom McClintock endorsing Ron Paul.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_McClintock

In the interview last week of Ron Paul by Mr. McClintock, the two got along swimmingly and it was obvious that McClintock was impressed by the excitement Ron Paul supporters were bringing with them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSEVpueChIE

BTW, if any of you are constituents of his; I'd suggest dropping him an email of support. http://www.carepublic.com/contact.html

kylejack
08-20-2007, 01:24 PM
FMNN has serious credibility problems. They really need to stop getting this stuff wrong.

foofighter20x
08-20-2007, 01:31 PM
I'm going to throw out a guess in Cali State Senator Tom McClintock endorsing Ron Paul.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_McClintock

In the interview last week of Ron Paul by Mr. McClintock, the two got along swimmingly and it was obvious that McClintock was impressed by the excitement Ron Paul supporters were bringing with them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSEVpueChIE

BTW, if any of you are constituents of his; I'd suggest dropping him an email of support. http://www.carepublic.com/contact.html

I picked up on that too. Not to mention, this guy would likely be the Gov of CA had Schwarzenegger not run on name recognition.

Ron Paul Fan
08-20-2007, 01:36 PM
Tommy Thompson is supposed to be on the Daily Show tonight. He probably scheduled it before he dropped out of the race, but hopefully he'll still show up and I would think Jon Stewart would ask him who he now supports.

quickmike
08-20-2007, 01:44 PM
Tommy Thompson is supposed to be on the Daily Show tonight. He probably scheduled it before he dropped out of the race, but hopefully he'll still show up and I would think Jon Stewart would ask him who he now supports.

If he does endorse someone, it will probably be the candidate who promises him a cabinet position in exchange. One of the sellout stooges most likely.

Ron Paul Fan
08-20-2007, 01:50 PM
If he does endorse someone, it will probably be the candidate who promises him a cabinet position in exchange. One of the sellout stooges most likely.

Yeah, I don't think we'll get his endorsement either and I agree that FMN is a shaky source at best. Actually, I just checked the website and it says the new scheduled guest is author Nikolas Kozloff so it appears that Tommy canceled which makes sense since he's not in the race anymore. Hopefully the other 2 GOP endorsements are good ones.

kenc9
08-20-2007, 01:55 PM
I'll take a shot at one of the Republican endorsements, Barry Goldwater Jr.

-ken

quickmike
08-20-2007, 01:56 PM
I'll take a shot at one of the Republican endorsements, Barry Goldwater Jr.

-ken

Awesome guy, but not really a "high profile" conservative really. Still, that would be good.

kenc9
08-20-2007, 02:27 PM
I'll bet it is two of these guys, Goldwater, Pat Buchanan,Tucker Carlson or Robert Novak.

Two of these guys already said they supported him but not officially.

-ken

scrosnoe
08-20-2007, 02:37 PM
set up rolling endorsments and just start pulling 'em one by one!:D

Sean
08-20-2007, 03:47 PM
A couple guesses. MCClintock maybe. He was very friendly in his interview and should have been elected governor of California over Arnold. Joe Scarborough who was part of the 94 takeover. Was quickly disillusioned with Newt's sell out to big government.

mtmedlin
08-20-2007, 04:05 PM
They have corrected the story and it now reads "Ed Thompson"

bbachtung
08-20-2007, 05:22 PM
I'll bet it is two of these guys, Goldwater, Pat Buchanan,Tucker Carlson or Robert Novak.

Two of these guys already said they supported him but not officially.

-ken

Pat Buchanan probably won't publicly endorse RP while his sister, Bay, is running Tancredo's campaign.

Publius
08-20-2007, 05:36 PM
Buchanan pretty much has endorsed RP. My guess is Dick Armey, Bob Dole, or Colin Powell. Long shots, I know.

Joe Knows
08-20-2007, 05:44 PM
In fact, the recent endorsement of Wisconsin’s Ed Thompson is due to be followed up later this week by endorsements from two small-government GOP conservatives with “high, national name recognition” according to sources close to the Ron Paul campaign. [/I]

This sounds very exciting.

:)

My guess is Arizona's Jeff Flake and John Shadegg.

PaleoForPaul
08-20-2007, 05:57 PM
Pat Buchanan probably won't publicly endorse RP while his sister, Bay, is running Tancredo's campaign.

I agree. I would be surprised if Buchanan endorsed anyone but Tancredo while his sister is still running Tancredo's campaign.

You never know though.

Spirit of '76
08-20-2007, 06:22 PM
Here's his blog:
http://www.buchanan.org/blog/

How many presidential candidates do you see listed by name under "Topics"?

austin356
08-20-2007, 06:32 PM
You guys should lighten up on FMNN, they are Ron's biggest supporters outside of the Ron Paul blogs and Lew Rockwell.

When you put out 30+ Ron Paul articles everyday it is bound to happen that Ed Thompson gets confused with Tommy Thompson, etc.

I subscribe to their RSS feed and they give some good reporting on everything from foreign Policy, to domestic policy, to Ron Paul, and especially monetary policy.

kenc9
08-20-2007, 06:56 PM
Here's his blog:
http://www.buchanan.org/blog/

How many presidential candidates do you see listed by name under "Topics"?

Under Topics and then his Ron Paul letters he is clearly boosting Ron Paul.

-ken

Bro.Butch
08-20-2007, 07:04 PM
This is a crappy source. Tommy Thompson has not endorsed Ron Paul. Even Tommy's brother Ed hasn't endorsed him officially.

These are the same idiots that posted that RP had 5 million in the bank. Don't trust them and verify everything they say before you repeat it.

THX you saved me from typing... They need to get their stories straight. The 5 million story was damaging to the campaign. I'm afraid there maybe an opposition plant in that bunch !!! See this could hurt just like the money by building expectations that may not be met...

Someone needs to contact these people and tell them to stop putting out false statements on the RP campaign.

austin356
08-20-2007, 07:06 PM
THX you saved me from typing... They need to get their stories straight. The 5 million story was damaging to the campaign. I'm afraid there maybe an opposition plant in that bunch !!! See this could hurt just like the money by building expectations that may not be met...



damaging yes........ bad information yes........... Someone trying to fuck over Ron Paul?

Give me a break.

Roxi
08-20-2007, 07:20 PM
Hopefully it will be Ronald Regan! :)


:eek: um giving endorsements from beyond the grave is a little too miraculous, even for RR:D

Bro.Butch
08-20-2007, 07:26 PM
You guys should lighten up on FMNN, they are Ron's biggest supporters outside of the Ron Paul blogs and Lew Rockwell.

When you put out 30+ Ron Paul articles everyday it is bound to happen that Ed Thompson gets confused with Tommy Thompson, etc.

I subscribe to their RSS feed and they give some good reporting on everything from foreign Policy, to domestic policy, to Ron Paul, and especially monetary policy.


Yeah, I use to think they were good too, until that $5 million story. That is an old tactic in presidential politics to damage a campaign. You set a false high expectation and when it's not met it can destroy a campaign. You must set your public expectations low and always EXCEED expectations. I've watched 10 presidential campaigns and that's how you keep the momentum. When you land below the preceived expectation is when most campaigns shut down...

Perhaps they have good people there, however I'm afraid there is at least one that doesn't have RP's best interest at heart...

LastoftheMohicans
08-20-2007, 07:37 PM
I would say it could be Walter Jones (R-NC). I think John Duncan (R-TN) would endorse RP if Fred Thompson doesn't get in the race. I think he's already pledged his support to Thompson.

I would be surprised if Dick Armey would do it. The guy's a complete sell-out on his economic principles and he's a pro-Israel neocon on foreign policy.

LastoftheMohicans
08-20-2007, 07:41 PM
I would say it could be Walter Jones (R-NC). I think John Duncan (R-TN) would endorse RP if Fred Thompson doesn't get in the race. I think he's already pledged his support to Thompson.

I would be surprised if Dick Armey would do it. The guy's a complete sell-out on his economic principles and he's a pro-Israel neocon on foreign policy.

Let me amend my post. Walter Jones is not nationally known. So maybe it's Buchanan. Otherwise, I don't have any idea. I don't think its anyone from a think tank or advocacy group because they probably are precluded from making endorsements.

jmarinara
08-20-2007, 07:53 PM
Pat Buchanan's endorsement of Ron Paul:

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/25210.html

From my blog about three months ago:

http://the-independent-conservative.blogspot.com/2007/05/patrick-j-buchanan-on-ron-paul.html


Pat Buchanan says very nice things about RP. It's as good as an endorsement as far as I'm concerned.

Seer
08-20-2007, 08:09 PM
I don't think it will be Barry Goldwater Jr. because he's all ready endorsed Paul.