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zoi
04-04-2008, 07:19 PM
As proof that mainstream health information continutes to become increasingly detached from reality, the mainstream media (MSM) has launched a new wave of misinformation designed to discredit the health benefits of drinking water! Just today, for example, Fox News ran a story entitled, Skip the Water, Have a Soda Instead. ((http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345...)

Other news organizations, such as the Chicago Tribune also jumped on the bandwagon, declaring that drinking eight glasses of water a day has no health benefits whatsoever.

This latest wave of attempts to discredit water comes from -- no surprise -- the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. Nephrology means "the study of kidneys," for all the non-medical folks reading this, and the aforementioned journal caters to medical professionals who earn their living from kidney problems caused by dehydration! Thus, this campaign to tell people to stop drinking water is a fantastic way to boost kidney problems (including kidney stones) and generate more repeat business for kidney specialists. What a coincidence, huh?

http://www.naturalnews.com:80/022942.html

madengr
04-04-2008, 07:21 PM
I'll stick with beer.

Kotin
04-04-2008, 07:23 PM
I'll stick with beer.

hear hear.

Zolah
04-04-2008, 07:25 PM
These stories ran in April 4th newspapers in UK too. Not sure which, I overheard a conversation about it.

Corydoras
04-04-2008, 08:43 PM
This latest wave of attempts to discredit water comes from -- no surprise -- the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. Nephrology means "the study of kidneys," for all the non-medical folks reading this, and the aforementioned journal caters to medical professionals who earn their living from kidney problems caused by dehydration! Thus, this campaign to tell people to stop drinking water is a fantastic way to boost kidney problems (including kidney stones) and generate more repeat business for kidney specialists. What a coincidence, huh?

http://www.naturalnews.com:80/022942.html


You really need to start going to the source instead of reading propaganda from the industries that provide so-called natural products. The BBC article on which the Fox article is based does not mention soda. I think the soda thing was a snide bit that the Fox editor stuck onto their article, a little joke along the lines of "let them eat cake."

I've actually read the original scientific article in question, and it doesn't say a word about soda.

Negoianu D, Goldfarb S. Just Add Water. J Am Soc Nephrol. 2008 Apr 2 [Epub ahead of print]

zoi
04-04-2008, 09:51 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345576,00.html
FOXNews.com - Study: Skip the Water, Have a Soda Instead - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News
I went back and checked, this is what I found.

angelatc
04-04-2008, 10:40 PM
You know, I' just not quite ready to believe that the physicians are conspiring to keep us all sick.

I'm also not convinced that we all need 8-10 glasses of water every day. Nobody seems to know where that theory comes from.

Highland
04-04-2008, 10:59 PM
Thank goodness we have a spring house.

Corydoras
04-05-2008, 12:04 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345576,00.html
FOXNews.com - Study: Skip the Water, Have a Soda Instead - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News
I went back and checked, this is what I found.

Yes, I know. The Fox article was based on a BBC article which did NOT mention soda:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7326437.stm

The BBC article was based on the original article by the scientists, which appeared in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. The article by the scientists did NOT mention soda. I have read this article.

This is how to look up the original article in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology. It is on the Society's website and the article was posted there on April 2. It is by Drs. Negoianu and Goldfarb. The title is "Just Add Water."

Negoianu D, Goldfarb S. Just Add Water. J Am Soc Nephrol. 2008 Apr 2 [Epub ahead of print]

Doctors are NOT trying to get you to drink soda.

thuja
04-05-2008, 04:49 AM
if it is suggested that we not rely on water, and we believe that, then they could just get away with continuing to put flouride in it. what else would they do with that waste product to make money with it? maybe just pesticides, like the pesticide that is used on grapes.

thuja
04-05-2008, 04:58 AM
if it is suggested that we not rely on water, and we believe that, then they could just get away with continuing to put flouride in it. what else would they do with that waste product to make money with it? maybe just pesticides, like the pesticide that is used on grapes.

LittleLightShining
04-05-2008, 06:05 AM
You know, I' just not quite ready to believe that the physicians are conspiring to keep us all sick.

I'm also not convinced that we all need 8-10 glasses of water every day. Nobody seems to know where that theory comes from.For the most part, I disagree with your first statement. I think, like teachers, on an individual basis doctors are good people who want to care for their wards. Once you get into associations, like the AMA or the NEA the plot thickens and health isn't the goal, it's care.

I don't think we need to drink that much water, though. How did people survive for generations in arid regions? Maybe some of our problems have to do with drinking too MUCH water, especially the newfangled medicated variety. I didn't read the article linked to, so this is just what I've been thinking.

thuja
04-05-2008, 12:13 PM
it is difficult to give up the belief that allopathic doctors and the pharmaceutcal companies that pay for their educations and sponsor the research they rely on could possibly be on the side of the pharma and chemical companies, and not the patient's. perhaps even they do not realize or think of it. today's mercola news illustrates how and why, apart from a mere7% , doctors are caused to be on pharmaceutical company's side, as toldby a former drug rep. click on newsletter.
www.mercola.com
it would help, too, tolook at the example of the monsanto co and their tactics, and to consider if the drug companies are perhas doing the same things. read that at www.gmwatch.org, news, article in vanity fair. april 4
(i meant it's difficult to give up believing that allopathic doctors are all on the patient's side)

angelatc
04-05-2008, 12:30 PM
I live near Mercola's practice, and actually went to his office with half an intention of becoming a patient.

I ended up sticking with my MD. Mercola does a lot of good for a lot of people, but he is as much of a shill as anybody. He just gets a bigger cut, because he sells direct.

thuja
04-05-2008, 12:36 PM
I live near Mercola's practice, and actually went to his office with half an intention of becoming a patient.

I ended up sticking with my MD. Mercola does a lot of good for a lot of people, but he is as much of a shill as anybody. He just gets a bigger cut, because he sells direct.

i would also choose a different doctor, considering how much time he must spend on the huge site, and furthermore, i would not ust buy everything from the site. nevertheless, i think it is one good place to see news i may otherwise miss, and learn about a few things of interest. i would look for a very well educated natural type doctor with time to consider me and my health.

thuja
04-05-2008, 12:39 PM
there is an interesting story at mercola today about hacking into heart implans too. www.mercola.com, news

Roxi
04-05-2008, 01:44 PM
You know, I' just not quite ready to believe that the physicians are conspiring to keep us all sick.

I'm also not convinced that we all need 8-10 glasses of water every day. Nobody seems to know where that theory comes from.


me either but its getting easier and easier :o

no really though, it all goes back to "within every large group of any type of people you will find evil"

of course there are doctors who want to do exactly that, and there are doctors who only want to help people.

now that being said i do know that the big pharm companies treat a large percentage of dr's like royalty. expensive lunches and gifts etc... there is a lot of proof out there on this... and my mom being a nurse has told me stories of pharm companies having meetings with the hospital boards to push one certain medicine over another and offering large rewards for doing so. some of these drugs have not been thoroughly tested and are relatively new to the market, so whether it is a conspiracy to keep people sick or just to make a crap ton of money i don't know.. theres also heavy evidence to suggest that big pharm and the FDA have close ties as well.

read "natural cures they don't want you to know about" i can't vouch for the credibility of the author because Kevin Trudeau may be a bit controversial with some people but its a really interesting book.

and there have been reports throughout history of doctors leaving in small slivers of diseases like cancer when they are being removed in order to keep the patient returning... i wonder if there has been any research on this, and how many of the patients reporting that are patients who have good insurance



edited to add: i would like to say that since i haven't researched Kevin Trudeau enough to say whether hes right or a complete loon, but being as though the GOVT and FDA and several other agencies have tried to quiet and discredit him, i think he must be on to something right?

thuja
04-05-2008, 02:01 PM
it is getting tiresome to be so vigilant about absolutely everything, like water, food, AIR! (SEE THE THREAD: BREAST CANCER 4 U) ,medical care, vitamins, other supplements, codex attack on food and vitamins, farm things like NAIS, genetic modification destroying our food supply and earth, and the almost monthly loss of yt another constitutional freedom.
still, i feel we can be successful if we visualize the world the way we want it, while letting these various miscreants know WE DON'T WANT ANY.

Corydoras
04-05-2008, 04:17 PM
i feel we can be successful if we visualize the world the way we want it, while letting these various miscreants know WE DON'T WANT ANY.

What do you do to tell them? Do you go and have meetings with hospital administrators about banning drug reps from their property? Do you talk/write to your state and congressional legislators' offices? Just what are you doing?

Zippyjuan
04-05-2008, 08:13 PM
Another reason not to get your news from Fox.
The article is just saying that drinking EXCESS water does not have any additional benefits.

As for sodas, they are just tap water (municipal sources) with sugar, color and flavor and perhaps caffine added. They are definately NOT better for you than just water. The artificial sweeteners that some use can be harmful too. So called "vitamin" waters have few vitamins in them and are also no better than plain water.

thuja
04-06-2008, 01:40 AM
What do you do to tell them? Do you go and have meetings with hospital administrators about banning drug reps from their property? Do you talk/write to your state and congressional legislators' offices? Just what are you doing?
i have not been doing anything about banning drug reps. i just don't buy any. too bad there are people who do, but it seems like more and more people are avoiding the pharmaceutical trap, and that the whole thing is a comedy.
what if no one bought any of the offending junk they promote? maybe they would have to improve.

thuja
04-06-2008, 01:49 AM
Another reason not to get your news from Fox.
The article is just saying that drinking EXCESS water does not have any additional benefits.

As for sodas, they are just tap water (municipal sources) with sugar, color and flavor and perhaps caffine added. They are definately NOT better for you than just water. The artificial sweeteners that some use can be harmful too. So called "vitamin" waters have few vitamins in them and are also no better than plain water.
right, these are some things not to buy any of: Old Media, and adulterated waters and sodas.
if no one buys it, they may have to improve something.

acptulsa
04-06-2008, 03:20 PM
Well, when the soda giants were getting away with bottling tap water and selling it to suckers, the old wives tale about eight glasses of water a day (never mind how tall you are or what your body weight is or whether or not it's hot outside) is gospel. The soda giants get called out and no one is silly enough to pay them a ten thousand percent plus markup and...

PRESTO!

Water's not good for you any more and you might as well enjoy soda pop!

pinkmandy
04-07-2008, 12:05 PM
Well, when the soda giants were getting away with bottling tap water and selling it to suckers, the old wives tale about eight glasses of water a day (never mind how tall you are or what your body weight is or whether or not it's hot outside) is gospel. The soda giants get called out and no one is silly enough to pay them a ten thousand percent plus markup and...

PRESTO!

Water's not good for you any more and you might as well enjoy soda pop!


Idiocracy anyone? It seems we're getting closer and closer! :p

NathanTurner
04-11-2008, 08:14 AM
The mainstream media will air anything that sounds like it "goes against the grain" of conventional wisdom. Even if the story itself doesn't, they'll spin it into something that defies reason. I remember seeing a story a few months ago about how diet soda will cause weight gain. This headline was announced several times before the story was told; and while I was thinking that this could be due to the possible insulin reaction from artificial sweeteners and the like, it turns out that diet soda *may* increase your appetite for sweets and junk food! Of course, they'd entirely taken the "self-control" aspect away and assumed that once even a slight craving hits, a binge is inevitable. :D

Personally, I find drinking a large amount of water throughout the day is beneficial for my metabolism. I tend to drink 1-2 gallons per day; but then again, I strength train regularly along with cardio, but I'd recommend 1/2 to 1 gallons for anyone. Especially in the summer.