Gail Suttle, TX 25- "likened the Paulies to Hitler youth"

[twentyfive]

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/04/03/0403selby.html


Austin American Statesman:

COMMENTARY: W. GARDNER SELBY

Ron Paul supporters set sights on influencing Texas GOP
Paul backers won control of GOP confabs in Austin, Victoria.
Thursday, April 03, 2008
Want a fresh political surprise?

How about supporters of U.S. Rep. Ron Paul for president staking a lasting claim in the Republican Party of Texas?

As Democrats tussled over their presidential candidates at recent regional conventions, Paul backers unexpectedly took control of a GOP convention in Austin and the Victoria County convention.

The results at Travis County's state Senate District 25 convention left old-guard Republicans wondering who lost the party's car keys — and worse.

Gail Suttle, active in GOP circles since the 1980s, watched the takeover in horror. Suttle e-mailed Republicans afterward: "This group is NOT Republican and they will not work together — remember this when you do have to be in contact with them."

At the confab at a local middle school, she'd likened the Paulies to Hitler youth, saying they were to the right of Attila the Hun.

"I am sorry," her subsequent e-mail says, "but I meant it all!"

The victors let Suttle slide; they even named her a delegate to the party's June state convention in Houston.

Most know, too, that they're not likely to vault Paul, of Lake Jackson, into contention for president. Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, won the March 4 Texas primary. He remains the party's presumptive nominee.

But the activists harbor long-term hopes. They want the GOP to re-commit to chestnut tenets such as slimmed government, lower taxes and respect for privacy. And a hope is that sooner or later, grass-roots Republicans will accept the Paul partisans as energetic compatriots rather than rating them moon-beamish interlopers from the Libertarian Party. Paul was the Libertarians' 1988 presidential nominee.

"The whole point is to stretch the definition of a Republican, really try to get it back in a direction where it came from," said Robert McDonald, an Austin accountant.

McDonald, 46, a Houston native and father of four, was elected the district convention's permanent chairman by a vote of 110-94.

His rise capped months of door-to-door canvassing in South Central Austin neighborhoods in the San Antonio-rooted Senate district.

Street by street, Paul supporters identified independent-minded voters willing to come to the precinct caucuses on primary night. McDonald said the canvassers looked for Paul yard signs and independent-oriented bumper stickers, even marijuana-leaf stickers—"anything indicating that person is a freedom-minded person."

Caucusing voters then elected delegates to the district convention. People aligned with Paul's beliefs landed 32 of the convention's 36 delegate slots for the state convention.

Delegates also whacked at typical Republican positions.

They voted in favor of deleting language in the state party's platform dealing with family matters such as a call for a federal constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman. They said the U.S. Supreme Court should leave abortion rights to individual states; the state platform calls for a constitutional ban on abortion.

"Abortion is not an issue that affects most people in this country," McDonald said. "Foreign policy, the economy, personal freedoms affect everybody. ... Those are the things we need to concentrate on."

Delegates approved a resolution honoring Gov. Rick Perry. They scuttled a commendation of President Bush.

"A lot of people feel like he's let his party and his country down," McDonald said.

Many ideas celebrated at the Austin convention could wither at the state convention.

It might be, too, that Paul's "freedom fighters" lose interest in the party after the intensity of this election year.

Yet Suttle and McDonald independently compared the district convention to the rise of Christian conservatives through GOP ranks in the late 1980s. That surge, a component of Bush's success, helped win elections.

Springsteen wrote it: "From small things, mama, big things one day come."

wgselby@statesman.com; 445-3644

[OptionsTrader]

Who cares.

[Kalifornia]

We can completely take over the Republican party. We have the numbers for that.

[LEK]

Gail Suttle, active in GOP circles since the 1980s, watched the takeover in horror. Suttle e-mailed Republicans afterward: "This group is NOT Republican and they will not work together — remember this when you do have to be in contact with them."

But the activists harbor long-term hopes. They want the GOP to re-commit to chestnut tenets such as slimmed government, lower taxes and respect for privacy. And a hope is that sooner or later, grass-roots Republicans will accept the Paul partisans as energetic compatriots rather than rating them moon-beamish interlopers from the Libertarian Party. Paul was the Libertarians' 1988 presidential nominee.

OH! Those dastardly Paulites...limited giovernment, lower taxes, freedom. Certainly NOT Republicans. Definately Nazi youth.

These people are brainwashed. They need to take the partisan blinders off - I promise, they will not get struck by lightening.

[Banana]

Fancy that. Hitler was anything but a libertarian. He was pretty much a big government. Why, if I'm not mistaken, Nazi were for socialism!

Methinks she need to brush up on her history.




Ooo, ooo, I have an idea! Let's implement Godwin's Law in GOP conventions!

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/regarding_mussolini.png

[ams5995]

rofl

[acptulsa]

She didn't say Dr. Paul was like Hitler, exactly. She said his supporters were like Hitler Youth. Since I'm very sure they weren't all wearing brown shirts and clicking their heels, I'm assuming that she meant organized and dedicated.

"This group is not Republican and will not work together..." Funny. Seems we worked together well enough, we just wouldn't be neocon team players rather than principled conservatives. Oh, the horror!

P.S. Considering how the Fed and Freddie Mac Republican plans for regulation smack of fascism, this really is pretty damned ironic. Nonetheless, if she can't see why we're stealing the hearts and minds of old line American conservatives, she's owned and needs to read her Jefferson.

[wgadget]

Very well said, acptulsa.

[Kilrain]

Gail Suttle: "Oh no, actual conservatives are joining the GOP!!!" *Head explodes*

[Catatonic]

Evil Ron Paul and his freedom minded minions! They must be stopped!

[stewie3128]

Didn't Hitler die, like, 60 years ago? I'm so sick of hearing about that guy.

[Banana]

She didn't say Dr. Paul was like Hitler, exactly. She said his supporters were like Hitler Youth. Since I'm very sure they weren't all wearing brown shirts and clicking their heels, I'm assuming that she meant organized and dedicated.

You're forgetting brainwashed as well. Hitler's basic message was nationalistic pride to point of annihilation of everyone else, and if I'm not mistaken, the Youth were systemically trained to believe that they are The. Solution.

Dr. Paul's message, OTOH is that of freedom and liberty. Heck, he doesn't want us to rally around him as "The Man", but rather the message which is bigger than he is. And we're a bunch of cats (to plagiarize from another poster in another thread), even arguing over whether the HQ is incompetent or should we fund this or that. I'm pretty sure Youth didn't have that infighting; they were mindlessly dedicated to the Fuhrer.


Beyond that, your post is spot on. It's easy to call someone else a fascist but very a big pill to swallow to call oneself a fascist.

[LittleLightShining]

Well, Gail certainly made herself look like a fool in that article.

[acptulsa]

You're forgetting brainwashed as well. Hitler's basic message was nationalistic pride to point of annihilation of everyone else, and if I'm not mistaken, the Youth were systemically trained to believe that they are The. Solution.

Dr. Paul's message, OTOH is that of freedom and liberty. Heck, he doesn't want us to rally around him as "The Man", but rather the message which is bigger than he is. And we're a bunch of cats (to plagiarize from another poster in another thread), even arguing over whether the HQ is incompetent or should we fund this or that. I'm pretty sure Youth didn't have that infighting; they were mindlessly dedicated to the Fuhrer.


Beyond that, your post is spot on. It's easy to call someone else a fascist but very a big pill to swallow to call oneself a fascist.

Actually, I think you were plaugarizing me about the cats! That's ok though.

"Plaugarism is the basis of all culture."--Pete Seeger's dad

[Banana]

LMAO- apparently great minds plagiarize alike! :D




EDIT: Just noticed that Gail also says we're to right of Attila the Hun... Is that possible? I don't think Attila was anything resembling a right-winger, being a barbarian...

[james1906]

Hitler invaded sovereign nations in the name of nationalism. Hitler merged the government with big business. Hitler restricted freedoms in the name of national security. Looks like Gail needs to figure out who resembles a Nazi and who doesn't.

[rockandrollsouls]

Hitler invaded sovereign nations in the name of nationalism. Hitler merged the government with big business. Hitler restricted freedoms in the name of national security. Looks like Gail needs to figure out who resembles a Nazi and who doesn't.

LOL I wish she could read that one. I loled.

[Magicman]

Sounds like this lady is a moron and instead of using logic as an argument she's grasping at strawmen and demonizing something she just can't compute in her simple minded fashion.

[Mr. White]

You guys missed her point entirely... some of Paul's followers, even on here, are comparable to the Hitler Youth in the sense of blind "I agree with everything RP says" mentality. Other candidates supporters have the same types as well. Doesn't make her statement any less true.

as for:

"Abortion is not an issue that affects most people in this country," McDonald said. "Foreign policy, the economy, personal freedoms affect everybody. ... Those are the things we need to concentrate on."

the speaker lost me there. Saying abortion is not an issue that affects most people is bullshit. Following it with an implicit statement that aboriton is not related to personal freedom is more bullshit.

[Original_Intent]

"Somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun?" :eek:

[acptulsa]

Atilla the Hun was certainly not non-interventionist. This woman is beyond goofy.

[freedom-maniac]

Why, if I'm not mistaken, Nazi were for socialism!



Correct. Nazi was a German abbreviation for National Socialism.

[freedom-maniac]

"Somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun?" :eek:

Who's up for ransacking Rome?

[lucynuts]

I guess to a neo-con we seem like radical kooks as if freedom was bad for ya or something. Let's get it straight the neo-cons are basically far left liberals except a neo-con believes in war and in many instances so do far left liberals so there are no differences between neo-cons and liberals. Now between John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama there really aren't too many differences they are all liberal and they all have some serious double talk issues, in short they promise everything. I say we use these fighting words likening us to "Hitler Youth" and let them anger us to the point at which we become more and more active. Just like when Ron Paul was censored by the media a massive wave of blowback came from us. In short what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

[NEPA_Revolution]

Who's up for ransacking Rome?

HUZZA FELLOW PAULTARDS, ON TO THE AQUEDUCTS!!!!!!

http://www.sfusd.k12.ca.us/schwww/sch618/RomanLinks/AlaricsackofRome.gif

[acptulsa]

I guess to a neo-con we seem like radical kooks as if freedom was bad for ya or something. Let's get it straight the neo-cons are basically far left liberals except a neo-con believes in war and in many instances so do far left liberals so there are no differences between neo-cons and liberals.

That's not true! Liberals tax and spend, neocons borrow and spend.

[amy31416]

That's not true! Liberals tax and spend, neocons borrow and spend.

Good god, when you put it like that, liberals are better than neocons. But only by a slight amount.

At least with taxing, we sorta know what's going on. I don't recall anyone asking my permission to borrow money, hell, I probably wouldn't even know about it if it weren't for Ron Paul.

[acptulsa]

Good god, when you put it like that, liberals are better than neocons. But only by a slight amount.

Taxing is when you steal money from someone who's old enough to vote. When government borrows they steal money from everyone else--even the unborn (and you wonder why neocons want so badly to protect them...)

[constituent]

EDIT: Just noticed that Gail also says we're to right of Attila the Hun... being a barbarian...

she meant it as a racist remark. ever seen anti-german propaganda circa wwi-wwii?

[Banana]

constituent- I didn't know that. Any link to such propaganda?

[constituent]

constituent- I didn't know that. Any link to such propaganda?

here's a (googled) quick find -

http://www.library.georgetown.edu/dept/speccoll/n15.jpg

another

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t631/T631124A.jsm


another

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pli02968/index.jpg


and my personal favorite:

http://www.library.georgetown.edu/dept/speccoll/n11.jpg

[Zolah]

Hun is a pretty common association with Germany over here in UK I think, I remember hearing something about it German belts when I was a kid in school, having to do with the tag of Hun, might be wrong on that though :P

I only remember because soccer fans of Glasgow Rangers are called Huns, which is considered sectarian and bigotry, whereas their rivals, Glasgow Celtic, are called Fenians, referring to Irish natives and the celtic connection.

[Banana]

constituent-

That's first time I ever seen those propaganda (and to think I saw it all... goes to show you never truly could see it all). Very interesting and now that makes all the sense.

Thanks for that tidbit. :)

[Join The Paul Side]

You guys missed her point entirely... some of Paul's followers, even on here, are comparable to the Hitler Youth in the sense of blind "I agree with everything RP says" mentality. Other candidates supporters have the same types as well. Doesn't make her statement any less true.

as for:

"Abortion is not an issue that affects most people in this country," McDonald said. "Foreign policy, the economy, personal freedoms affect everybody. ... Those are the things we need to concentrate on."

the speaker lost me there. Saying abortion is not an issue that affects most people is bullshit. Following it with an implicit statement that aboriton is not related to personal freedom is more bullshit.


Oh STFU and get off our board you party crasher.

BTW, there are more important things going on that affect my life daily than whether or not some lady decides to have an abortion or not, or how marriage should be defined.

This government's foreign policy affects my life daily. The FED making my money less valuable affects my life daily. Gas prices going through the roof affects my life daily. So does inflation. All these things (and more) affect how I am able to support my family. And you come here bitching about abortion?

Go F*** yourself! :mad:

[Broadlighter]

I guess to a neo-con we seem like radical kooks as if freedom was bad for ya or something. Let's get it straight the neo-cons are basically far left liberals except a neo-con believes in war and in many instances so do far left liberals so there are no differences between neo-cons and liberals. Now between John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama there really aren't too many differences they are all liberal and they all have some serious double talk issues, in short they promise everything. I say we use these fighting words likening us to "Hitler Youth" and let them anger us to the point at which we become more and more active. Just like when Ron Paul was censored by the media a massive wave of blowback came from us. In short what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Neo-Con = Flaming liberal on steroids.

[acptulsa]

Neo-Con = Flaming liberal on steroids.

I thought that went Flaming liberal on credit.

[Rhys]

haha that's what they get for being war loving baby killers.

[Rhys]

Gail just got on the GOP blacklist. lol too bad for her.

[hawks4ronpaul]

The WWI Allies called the Germans "Hun" to paint them as savage barbarians, although ironically that usage began when Germany was a US ally in 1900 to intervene in the Chinese Boxer Rebellion and the Kaiser told his troops to treat the Chinese as the Hun had.

http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=755

"To the right of Attila the Hun" is an old saying to paint conservatives as savage barbarians, despite the incongruity of Attila to the American Founders' conservatism.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

[Mr. White]

Oh STFU and get off our board you party crasher.

BTW, there are more important things going on that affect my life daily than whether or not some lady decides to have an abortion or not, or how marriage should be defined.

This government's foreign policy affects my life daily. The FED making my money less valuable affects my life daily. Gas prices going through the roof affects my life daily. So does inflation. All these things (and more) affect how I am able to support my family. And you come here bitching about abortion?

Go F*** yourself! :mad:

Check the join date friend. Now compare it to yours. I'm the opinion on this board that doesn't always agree with you, you're going to have to live with it rather than simply sit back and enjoy a night of "everyone agrees with my worldview."

As for your actual post, I made no mention of how marriage is defined, I simply pointed out that I disagreed with the statement that abortion is not related to personal freedom. The issues you stated are also important. The right to abort an unwanted pregnancy is something I feel is related to personal freedom, if you have a problem with me posting that, go find another board. This is one where actual debate is allowed and welcome. At least it was before January when the the easily swayed joined up.

[driller80545]

Abortion sucks, and so do laws preventing it!

[Mr. White]

Abortion sucks, and so do laws preventing it!

That is an unexpectedly poignant statement.