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angelatc
04-03-2008, 12:00 AM
Should We Fight for South Ossetia?
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Tuesday, April 1, 2008

In echo of Warren Harding's "A Return to Normalcy" speech of 1920,
George Bush last week declared, "Normalcy is returning back to Iraq."

The term seemed a mite ironic. For, as Bush spoke, Iraqis were
dying in the hundreds in the bloodiest fighting in months in Basra,
the Shia militias of Moqtada al Sadr were engaging Iraqi and U.S.
troops in Sadr City, and mortar shells were dropping into the Green
Zone.

One begins to understand why Gen. Petraeus wants a "pause" in the
pullout of U.S. forces, and why Bush agrees. This will leave more
U.S. troops in Iraq on Inauguration Day 2009, than on Election Day
2006, when the country voted the Democrats into power to bring a
swift end to the war.

A day before Bush went to the U.S. Air Force Museum in Dayton,
Ohio, to speak of normalcy returning to Iraq, he was led down into
"the Tank," a secure room at the Pentagon, to be briefed on the
crisis facing the U.S. Army and Marine Corps because of the
constant redeployments to Afghanistan and Iraq.

As The Associated Press' Robert Burns reported, the Joint Chiefs
"laid out their concerns about the health of the U.S. force." First
among them is "that U.S. forces are being worn thin, compromising
the Pentagon's ability to handle crises elsewhere in the world. ...
The U.S. has about 31,000 troops in Afghanistan and 156,000 in Iraq."

"Five plus years in Iraq," the generals and admirals told Bush,
"could create severe, long-term problems, particularly for the Army
and Marine Corps."

In short, the two long wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are wearing
down U.S. ground forces of fewer than 700,000, one in every six of
them women, to such an extent U.S. commanders called Bush and Dick
Cheney to a secret meeting to awaken them to the strategic and
morale crisis.

This is serious business. With the Taliban revived and the violence
in Iraq rising toward pre-surge levels, the Joint Chiefs are
telling the commander in chief that the U.S. Army and Marine Corps
are worn out.

Crunch time is coming. And what is President Bush doing?

He is flying to Bucharest, Romania, to persuade Europe to bring
Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, which means a U.S. commitment to
treat any Russian attack on Kiev or Tbilisi like an attack on
Kansas or Texas.

Article V of the NATO treaty declares that "an armed attack against
one or more (allies) shall be considered an attack against them
all." Added language makes clear that the commitment to assist an
ally is not unconditional. Rather, each signatory will assist the
ally under attack with "such action as it deems necessary,
including the use of armed force."

Yet, it was understood during the Cold War that if a NATO ally like
Norway, West Germany or Turkey, which bordered on the Soviet Union
or Warsaw Pact, were attacked, America would come to its defense.

Can any sane man believe the United States should go to war with a
nuclear-armed Russia over Stalin's birthplace, Georgia?

Two provinces of Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, have seceded,
with the backing of Russia. And there are 10 million
Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east of that country, and Moscow
and Kiev are at odds over which is sovereign on the Crimean
Peninsula.

To bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO would put America in the
middle of these quarrels. We could be dragged into a confrontation
with Russia over Abkhazia, or South Ossetia, or who owns
Sebastopol. To bring these ex-republics of the Soviet Union into
NATO would be an affront to Moscow not unlike 19th century Britain
bringing the Confederate state of South Carolina under the
protection of the British Empire.

How would Lincoln's Union have reacted to that?

With a weary army and no NATO ally willing to fight beside us, how
could we defend Georgia if Tbilisi, once in NATO, defied Moscow and
invaded Abkhazia and South Ossetia -- and Russia bombed the
Georgian army and capital? Would we declare war? Would we send the
82nd Airborne into the Pankisi Gorge?

Fortunately, Germany is prepared to veto any Bush attempt to put
Ukraine or Georgia on a fast track into NATO. But President Bush is
no longer the problem. John McCain is.

As Anatol Lieven writes in the Financial Times, McCain supports a
restoration of Georgian rule over Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and
NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine. He wants to throw Russia
out of the G-8 -- and talks flippantly of bombing Iran.

Says McCain, "I would institute a policy called 'rogue state
rollback.' I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from
within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and
install free and democratically elected governments."

Wonderful. A Second Crusade for Global Democracy. But with the
Joint Chiefs warning of a war-weary Army and Marine Corps, who will
fight all the new wars the neocons and their new champion have in
store for us?

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Primbs
04-03-2008, 09:57 AM
What a problem.

Corydoras
04-05-2008, 05:41 PM
It's all about oil, of course.

We really ought not to be so paranoid about Georgia and Russia. The Georgians are very clever people, and they also love the United States. First they got the pipeline through Tbilisi, which made the West very happy, and now Russia wants to build another pipeline through Georgia as well, but Russia has got to deal with the fact that Georgia would like to hold onto Abkhazia and South Ossetia, so Georgia is pissed at them and Russia will have to work extra hard to placate them, which means, probably, peace in Abkhazia.

We should let the Georgians play their little games with Russia, but tell them that they have to do it on their own-- i.e., without NATO's backing.

The thing about Georgia is, there is just not that much they can do that can hurt us more than it would hurt them. We should not offer them NATO membership, because, frankly, there is not a whole lot that they can do to help us, whereas they can put us in danger of conflict with Russia.

Georgia is in an inherently tough situation. They basically live on a highway, and over the centuries, they have been overrun time and again by invading peoples. I don't envy them their geographic fate.

To read more about this situation:
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/business/articles/eav030904.shtml