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scotto2008
03-30-2008, 01:44 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m2Lj-4iIh28

Everyone is equal here,
There is no greed or need for insincerity.
Will reality appear?
Could it be true that animals are people too?
V4Vendetta
03-30-2008, 04:05 PM
funny... I got the DVD of that cartoon
Conza88
03-30-2008, 06:31 PM
http://digg.com/political_opinion/New_Music_Video_Animal_Farm

Awesome beat!
scotto2008
03-30-2008, 10:32 PM
http://digg.com/political_opinion/New_Music_Video_Animal_Farm

Awesome beat!

Thanks for the Digg!
scotto2008
04-01-2008, 10:46 AM
funny... I got the DVD of that cartoon

Is it true that the CIA financed that film, or is that just an urban myth?
CurtisLow
04-01-2008, 01:38 PM
great video! The link did not work for me..

but this one did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9At-PejXNIw
freedom-maniac
04-01-2008, 04:23 PM
Amazing that Orwell was actually a socialist...
mediahasyou
04-01-2008, 04:30 PM
Amazing that Orwell was actually a socialist...

Yes, in 1984 he shows how an absolute monarchy will not work. However, it is still a great read. Google to read online.
scotto2008
04-01-2008, 09:20 PM
Yes, in 1984 he shows how an absolute monarchy will not work. However, it is still a great read. Google to read online.

That's always puzzled me. There's nothing in Orwell's writing that sounds like socialism to me. He seems too cynical to be a socialist.

I wonder if that just got tacked onto his bio somewhere and never went away. Or maybe he had a different conception of socialism than we have today.

After all, today we call socialism "capitalism" and we call fascism "patriotism" and war is peace and freedom is slavery and...

There he is again -- Orwell lives!
Conza88
04-01-2008, 11:43 PM
WTF.

HOW is he a socialist?

HOW?!!?!
scotto2008
04-02-2008, 04:41 PM
WTF.

HOW is he a socialist?

HOW?!!?!

I think the most widely published paperback of that book had a bio on the back that said he was a socialist. Maybe it just got passed on from there.

I find it hard to believe myself. Given that Orwell rubbed elbows with politicians of his day, I'm sure he'd be aware of what kind of idiots would be running things.
ThePieSwindler
04-02-2008, 05:02 PM
Ah, no, he WAS a social democrat. There are numerous quotes and pieces of evidence that show this. Social democrats are, and consider themselves, very different from communists in many of their goals, and he was certainly anti-fascist.


What this war has demonstrated is that private capitalism—that is, an economic system in which land, factories, mines and transport are owned privately and operated solely for profit—does not work...War, for all its evil, is at any rate an unanswerable test of strength, like a try-your-grip machine. Great strength returns the penny, and there is no way of faking the result.

From "The Lion and the Unicorn: Socialism and the English Genius" (http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/lion/english/)


The Spanish war and other events in 1936-7 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I know it.

From Why I write, another essay by orwell. He was definately a democratic socialist/social democrat, and said it many times in his writings. If you seriously didn't know that or are questioning it,

Remember, back then, socialism was alot more popular, especially among intellectuals and academics - in America, things became ALOT more socialized as well, though FDR before and during the war (and after with Truman, LBJ, etc). So it was seen as benign, while fascism, communism, and to a lesser extent capitalism were seen as totalitarian systems (though Orwell did admit some of the virtues of capitalism compared to fascism/communism and other totalitarian systems.)
scotto2008
04-03-2008, 12:19 AM
Yes, those are good points.

I must admit, for all my fascination with 1984 and Animal Farm, I know little else about Orwell. I read about 3/4 of "Homage to Catalonia" but I found it tedious at times and never finished it.

I'll check out the sources you mentioned though. Those are some interesting quotes.
scotto2008
04-03-2008, 11:08 PM
great video! The link did not work for me..

but this one did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9At-PejXNIw

Curtis,

I hope you got to see the video. Youtube was having some problems and "animal farm" was a casualty.

The link should work now.