Islam and Christianity

[rational thinker]

I've been reading many posts by Christians on here slamming Islamic beliefs, but don't you Christians realize that both religions share about 90% of the same myths? In fact, I think that Islam and Christianity are the most closely related religions than they are to any other religion (Judaism comes in a close second).

[yongrel]

Way to leave out Raelianism. Bigot.

[rational thinker]

Way to leave out Raelianism. Bigot.

Sorry [MOD: Language Redacted], but I only addressed the religions adhered to by the forum members.

[yongrel]

Sorry fucktard, but I only addressed the religions adhered to by the forum members.

Way to assume.

You left out the Branch Davidians too.

[rational thinker]

Way to assume.

You left out the Branch Davidians too.

Yeah, there are lots of similarities between Branch Davidians and Muslims.

[yongrel]

Plus, you're conspicuously ignoring the People's Temple.

[phixion]

Anyone who believes in a God shall surely be put to death.

Don't folk realise there were shit-loads of Jesus and Mohammed types walking around with followers or 'discaplines' - these days we call them cult leaders and followers who have fallen victim.

Some caught on better than others. It all comes down to mental men (rarely it is a woman) attempting to position himself as a saviour or prophet, controlling others thoughts and actions... and yet still today we have people who believe in religions.. and people who go on to join other newer so-called religions such as Scientology.

Wake up people. Just 'cos your parents taught you something, doesn't mean you can't question it and come up with your own conclusions. I realise it's hard once your connection to God has been established (read: your soft-mind as a child was given a logic-bypass) but it can be done. You can beat the curse of indoctrinated religion.

Pete

[rational thinker]

Plus, you're conspicuously ignoring the People's Temple.

Sarcasm [MOD: Language Redacted].

[yongrel]

Sarcasm ******.

My my, you have lovely internet manners. Do you email your mother with that keyboard?

[rational thinker]

My my, you have lovely internet manners. Do you email your mother with that keyboard?

[MOD: Language Redacted]

[TER]

Well, you've convinced me! Thanks so much for removing my blinders! I can finally see clearly, far beyond all that 'love your enemy' and 'do unto others' crap! You sure are rational, rational mind. REALLY rational!

[Dr.3D]

What an interesting concept.

[yongrel]

Fuck yourself, cumsucker.

Ladies and gentlemen... I present to you the downfall of reason and rationality! The bane of understanding, the enemy of intellectualism, the opponent of cooperation... Anger!

[Cowlesy]

Knock it off you guys. Quit calling each other names and antagonizing each other.

[banjojambo9]

I watched the movie kite-flyer last night ,they portray anal sex with young boys as being ok in islam ,We know that christains do this .whats with religious dogmas and buttfucking?

[rational thinker]

Ladies and gentlemen... I present to you the downfall of reason and rationality! The bane of understanding, the enemy of intellectualism, the opponent of cooperation... Anger!

Your old tactics are not going to work any longer. You like to intentionally piss members off and when they respond, you try to look like the innocent guy.

[rational thinker]

Well, you've convinced me! Thanks so much for removing my blinders! I can finally see clearly, far beyond all that 'love your enemy' and 'do unto others' crap! You sure are rational, rational mind. REALLY rational!

Great, I'm guessing you are no longer a Christard.

[TER]

I watched the movie kite-flyer last night ,they portray anal sex with young boys as being ok in islam,We know that christains do this .whats with religious dogmas and buttfucking?

Aside from your in depth researching (a la 'Kite-Flyer'), I don't believe anal sex with young boys is 'ok in islam'. As far as your reference with Christians doing this, I don't understand what you mean since it is (to put in your words) not 'okay in Christianity'. I don't think there is much connection between religious dogmas and the act of buttfucking, as you described, aside from the belief that was are sinners and do sinful things, no matter who or what your faith is.

I hope this helps!

[TER]

Great, I'm guessing you are no longer a Christard.

Actually, I was being sarcastic. I'm surprised you didn't realize that, being the rational thinker you are.

[rational thinker]

Actually, I was being sarcastic. I'm surprised you didn't realize that, being the rational thinker you are.

I knew you were being sarcastic. That's why I responded with an insult. I'm surprised you can decipher between fantasy and reality seeing that you believe that Jesus will return for you.

[Dr.3D]

Due to the need for us to maintain 'political correctness' in these forums, I am at a loss to explain how your equating anal intercourse with Christianity has come about.

Perhaps with all of the 'political correctness' we have to put up with now days, it would be best if we did not start any threads concerning religion.

[rational thinker]

Aside from your in depth researching (a la 'Kite-Flyer'), I don't believe anal sex with young boys is 'ok in islam'. As far as your reference with Christians doing this, I don't understand what you mean since it is (to put in your words) not 'okay in Christianity'. I don't think there is much connection between religious dogmas and the act of buttfucking, as you described, aside from the belief that was are sinners and do sinful things, no matter who or what your faith is.

I hope this helps!

I'm sure your nonexistent friend Lot is an expert on this.

[TER]

I knew you were being sarcastic. That's why I responded with an insult. I'm surprised you can decipher between fantasy and reality seeing that you believe that Jesus will return for you.


The sky in my world is blue, with plenty of sunshine! :)
I have a sneaking suspicion yours is quite gray, with a lot of storm clouds. :(

[banjojambo9]

Aside from your in depth researching (a la 'Kite-Flyer'), I don't believe anal sex with young boys is 'ok in islam'. As far as your reference with Christians doing this, I don't understand what you mean since it is (to put in your words) not 'okay in Christianity'. I don't think there is much connection between religious dogmas and the act of buttfucking, as you described, aside from the belief that was are sinners and do sinful things, no matter who or what your faith is.

I hope this helps!

The Catholic hierarchy must be spending millions in public relations to create the spin, that sex crimes by thousands of priests on God knows how many children, just in the last 60 years alone, is a “problem.”

"A" “problem.” gee thats harsh language almost sounds like they dont really care its nice to know the catholic church stand -behind- the young boys in its "flock"

[rational thinker]

The sky in my world is blue, with plenty of sunshine! :)
I have a sneaking suspicion yours is quite gray, with a lot of storm clouds. :(

Yeah, and do you have scientific explanations for your descriptive world, or do you resort to "the sky is blue because it is the color of Jesus's eyes" and "the sun shines because God is smiling down on the earth"?

[Dr.3D]

The Catholic hierarchy must be spending millions in public relations to create the spin, that sex crimes by thousands of priests on God knows how many children, just in the last 60 years alone, is a “problem.”

"A" “problem.” gee thats harsh language almost sounds like they dont really care its nice to know the catholic church stand -behind- the young boys in its "flock"

How is it I am not allowed to broach the subject of Catholicism because of 'political correctness' and you are?

[rational thinker]

How is it I am not allowed to broach the subject of Catholicism because of 'political correctness' and you are?

Who said you aren't?

[TER]

The Catholic hierarchy must be spending millions in public relations to create the spin, that sex crimes by thousands of priests on God knows how many children, just in the last 60 years alone, is a “problem.”

"A" “problem.” gee thats harsh language almost sounds like they dont really care its nice to know the catholic church stand -behind- the young boys in its "flock"

What happened in the Roman Catholic Church is a travesty and due to the sinful condition of man.

[Dr.3D]

The last time I brought up that subject, I was told there are many of the Catholic faith who support Ron Paul and thus we should not point our fingers at their faith for fear of losing them from the cause of freedom. 'Political correctness' is alive and well.

[rational thinker]

The last time I brought up that subject, I was told there are many of the Catholic faith who support Ron Paul and thus we should not point our fingers at their faith for fear of losing them from the cause of freedom. 'Political correctness' is alive and well.

Someone should have told the Muslims.

[Dr.3D]

I guess it isn't a two way street.

[rational thinker]

I guess it isn't a two way street.

Far from it.

[TER]

Yeah, and do you have scientific explanations for your descriptive world, or do you resort to "the sky is blue because it is the color of Jesus's eyes" and "the sun shines because God is smiling down on the earth"?

My, my. I guess I wasn't specific enough for you again. I apologize. It seems like my sarcasm went beyond you one more time. I did not mean the actual 'sky' but rather the general condition of one's psyche. You see, you seem to live a life which I find sad and gloomy, hopeless and full of despair. You know, perhaps your god, that is, your rational mind, isn't that powerful after all!

[banjojambo9]

What happened in the Roman Catholic Church is a travesty and due to the sinful condition of man.

I think it happens because people have a core belief that they are born sinful subconciously this leads to self destructive behavior it is this one belief that causes untold pain

[Dr.3D]

Perhaps I may be allowed to say, don't equate Catholicism with Christianity.
Now it is my hope I don't get banned for being 'politically incorrect'.

[TER]

I think it happens because people have a core belief that they are born sinful subconciously this leads to self destructive behavior it is this one belief that causes untold pain

Well, would you make the case that we are not sinful, that is, that our world is perfect and humans make the right decisions every time? And what of this pain? The pain to realize this weakness and fallen condition? How about the pain we inflict on others for self-appeasement, self-glory, greed, and every other mechanism to feed our ego?

[rational thinker]

My, my. I guess I wasn't specific enough for you again. I apologize. It seems like my sarcasm went beyond you one more time. I did not mean the actual 'sky' but rather the general condition of one's psyche. You see, you seem to live a life which I find sad and gloomy, hopeless and full of despair. You know, perhaps your god, that is, your rational mind, isn't that powerful after all!

Once again, your Christardness never ceases to amaze me. AGAIN! I knew that you were trying to be sarcastic, but I was responding with an insult. This isn't any fun when I have to spell it out for you. And "my god." Bitch, there is no god. Why do you feel it necessary that a racist, homophobic is watching over you?

[Dr.3D]

Once again, your Christardness never ceases to amaze me. AGAIN! I knew that you were trying to be sarcastic, but I was responding with an insult. This isn't any fun when I have to spell it out for you. And "my god." Bitch, there is no god. Why do you feel it necessary that a racist, homophobic is watching over you?

Some how I knew this thread was divisive. If you don't believe in either religion, then why even start a thread like this one?

*goes to a more productive thread*

[rational thinker]

Some how I knew this thread was divisive. If you don't believe in either religion, then why even start a thread like this one?

*goes to a more productive thread*

So if you're not a Wiccan, you can't defend Wiccans?

[TER]

So if you're not a Wiccan, you can't defend Wiccans?

I suppose you are then the self-proclaimed defender of the human race!!!

[TER]

Why do you feel it necessary that a racist, homophobic is watching over you?


Would that be you watching over me?

[amy31416]

My only 2c is that I'd be willing to wager that this thread will not resolve the differences between Christians and Muslims, and even further, will just widen the divide between the religious and non-religious here.

Rational Thinker: "Christard?" Have you been taking lessons from the anti-Paul people out there that call us Paultards? If you're a "rational thinker" take a class in debate or logic and try to understand the error in ad hominem attacks.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

[rational thinker]

Would that be you watching over me?

No, that would be your "holy" fucke- I mean father.

[rational thinker]

My only 2c is that I'd be willing to wager that this thread will not resolve the differences between Christians and Muslims, and even further, will just widen the divide between the religious and non-religious here.

Rational Thinker: "Christard?" Have you been taking lessons from the anti-Paul people out there that call us Paultards? If you're a "rational thinker" take a class in debate or logic and try to understand the error in ad hominem attacks.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

If you were a logical person, you'd see that they initiated the attacks on me... fucktard. And for the record, I've been saying Christard way before Ron Paul was running for president so don't you dare say that I derived the name from Ron Paul attackers.

[rational thinker]

I suppose you are then the self-proclaimed defender of the human race!!!

No, I believe that would be Jesus's job. Blasphemer! How dare ye equate me with the Most High?

[banjojambo9]

poopy doody face nah nah

[yongrel]

If you were a logical person, you'd see that they initiated the attacks on me... fucktard.

If that is why you are in this tizzy, I apologize. I should not have been sarcastic and antagonistic towards your original post. I was trying to make a point, which obviously failed. It was a poor choice on my part, and I am sorry.

Now please stop your own poor behavior. It is purely divisive and inflammatory.

[amy31416]

If you were a logical person, you'd see that they initiated the attacks on me... fucktard. And for the record, I've been saying Christard way before Ron Paul was running for president so don't you dare say that I derived the name from Ron Paul attackers.

Did you seriously just call me a fucktard? What the hell is wrong with you? Pretty please, read the link on ad hominem attacks. It will serve you well.

I can't believe you take offense that I'd question the origin of the term "Christard." Wow. Yet, you think it's okay to call me a fucktard, what are we? 12 years old here?

[TER]

Did you seriously just call me a fucktard? What the hell is wrong with you?

Don't take it personal. His god, that is, his rational mind, is upset today.

[Cowlesy]

+ Insulting or personally attacking other users is not allowed by any member. There is very little tolerance for violations, particular for new members. Reason: Insults lead to relational which often result in disruption, which dilute the resources of members and the intent of the forum.


Everyone knock it off because if people refuse to act like adults on here, then I'll be giving people time-outs.

Stupid but necessary.

Please review the forum guidelines.

[amy31416]

Don't take it personal. His god, that is, his rational mind, is upset today.

Apparently so. Something squirrely in his coffee perhaps. I'm not really familiar with him, so I don't know if this is his normal behavior, but I'd guess not or else he would have been banned by now.

It's just ironic that I'm trying to give him a tool that logical people use (the irrational use of ad hominem to argue) and he calls me a name. It's actually pretty funny, so I don't take it personally.

[banjojambo9]

maybe someone smoked a little to much weed this morning

[Godbag]

maybe someone smoked a little to much weed this morning

You've got it all wrong, he smoked it last night and now has no patience to deal with irritating people such as yourself...


"What happened(EDIT: HAPPENS) in the Roman Catholic Church is a travesty and due to the sinful condition of man." and seeing as the Roman Catholic Church does nothing about it must mean the Catholic Church is the epitome of sin... fancy that, the oldest, richest and largest sect of christianity doing everything that they preach not to... priceless

"don't equate Catholicism with Christianity."
now seeing as a few of the leading evangelist preachers take drugs and pay male escorts to do them up the ass you can see why it wouldnt require much of a leap to equate the two... factor in allegations of fraud and corruption and BOOM!, in the grand scheme of life CHRISTIANITY>CATHLOCISM, CATHLOCISM>CHRISTIANITY... just another wolf in sheeps clothing


ps. at least they are better than Scientology.. i often wonder what would have happened if the story of scientology was created in place of the story of jesus 2000yrs ago... Our Xenu, who Art in Space, Hallowed be thy name, Thy DC-8's come, Thy will be done, On Earth as it was in the Galactic Confederacy...

[banjojambo9]

1 3/4 cups all-purpose flour
3/4 tsp. baking soda
1 tsp. baking powder
1 1/2 Tbs. granulated sugar
1/2 tsp. salt
Zest of 1/2 lemon
3 egg yolks plus 5 egg whites
1 1/3 cups buttermilk
3/4 cup ricotta cheese
5 Tbs. unsalted butter, melted
1 pint blueberries
Confectioners’ sugar for dusting



In a batter pitcher or bowl, whisk together the flour, baking soda, baking powder, granulated sugar, salt and lemon zest. Set aside.

In another bowl, lightly whisk the egg yolks. Whisk in the buttermilk and ricotta. Whisk the yolk mixture into the flour mixture until well combined; the mixture will be lumpy. Set aside.

In another bowl, whisk the egg whites until stiff but not dry peaks form. Using a rubber spatula, gently stir the whites into the batter in two additions.

Put 1/2 tsp. butter in each well of a filled-pancake pan. Place over medium heat and heat until the butter begins to bubble. Pour 1 Tbs. batter into each well, place 4 blueberries in the center of the batter and top with 1 Tbs. batter. Cook until the bottoms are golden brown and crispy, 3 to 5 minutes. Using 2 wooden skewers, turn the pancakes over and cook until golden brown and crispy, about 3 minutes more. Transfer to a plate. Repeat with the remaining batter and blueberries.

[amy31416]

God, I love blueberry pancakes. Thanks for the recipe.

[banjojambo9]

actually its for ableskivers

[amy31416]

Same thing, different name.

[banjojambo9]

its nice if you have the ableskiver pan

[Dieseler]

This is the most horrible thread of any I have read here yet.

[rational thinker]

It's too bad that of all posts, I got a warning on the Jeebus comment. Must say something about the mod.

[rational thinker]

Apparently so. Something squirrely in his coffee perhaps. I'm not really familiar with him, so I don't know if this is his normal behavior, but I'd guess not or else he would have been banned by now.

It's just ironic that I'm trying to give him a tool that logical people use (the irrational use of ad hominem to argue) and he calls me a name. It's actually pretty funny, so I don't take it personally.

You implied that I was derived the word "Christard" from "Paultard." I'm sure Christians and retards (redundant really) have existed long before Ron Paul even ran for Congress. And I called you a "fucktard" because I can.

[Cowlesy]

You implied that I was derived the word "Christard" from "Paultard." I'm sure Christians and retards (redundant really) have existed long before Ron Paul even ran for Congress. And I called you a "fucktard" because I can.

No, you can't.

Come back in two weeks and read the forum guidelines.

[Dr.3D]

Wasn't thinking very rationally today I guess. :rolleyes:

[Kade]

Wow, something must of PO'd RT.

I suppose I should apologize to some of the believers on here for his insults.

Although I am very sympathetic towards his points, I don't think his attacks were warranted or appropriate.

I also would like to throw out that I'm also glad he wasn't banned permanently.

[amy31416]

Wow, something must of PO'd RT.

I suppose I should apologize to some of the believers on here for his insults.

Although I am very sympathetic towards his points, I don't think his attacks were warranted or appropriate.

I also would like to throw out that I'm also glad he wasn't banned permanently.

I'm just not sure what happened there, I think he had a bad day or something. I don't recall him losing it like that before.

I'm also glad he wasn't banned permanently as well.

[jmdrake]

I watched the movie kite-flyer last night ,they portray anal sex with young boys as being ok in islam ,We know that christains do this .whats with religious dogmas and buttfucking?

Yes. The gospel according to Hollywood. I something in a movie so it must be true. :rolleyes: But obviously you weren't paying attention because you don't even know the name of the movie. (It's the "Kite Runner".) For the record the child actors in the movie had to flee Afghanistan over anger about the rape scene. Worse they and their parents were lied to about the content of the movie. (No mention of the rape scene). One of the boys cried when he was told to pull down his pants and refused to do so. The jackasses at Paramount didn't even want to foot the bill for their escape. Overall Hollywood sucks. There are some good people in Hollywood but mostly they just suck. Never forget that.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16912162
http://www.military.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news/kite-runner-boys-leave-afghanistan

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Uriel999]

"I think that Islam and Christianity are the most closely related religions than they are to any other religion (Judaism comes in a close second)."

As somebody who has studied judiasm, Christianity, and Islam in depth I strongly disagree with you.

Islam is mostly a hodgepodge of the pagan religion that existed in Muhammads time (the 5 pillars of islam were part of this), it also took elements from Zorasterism (ONly one god and muhammad his prophet is very close to what Zoraster and said about his god, verbatum except the name of the god was different and each individual claimed themselves as his prophet. Characters such as Jesus, Mary, Moses, and others are essentially taken mostly in name only and given completely different stories found in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Islam is more deeply influenced by the pagan religion of Mecca than Christianity. Islam's monotheism comes from Zoraserism and Christianity and thats about it.

As well, the Tanakh and New testament are considered curropted by the Jews and Christians so while they may read the Bible anything that doesn't jibe with Islam is disregarded. So even when Muslims and Christians do read the same texts from the bible they have radically different perpectives on what they read.

Fuck it, I'll just come out and say it, Muhammad was a sick phedophile, whole broke the rules of even his own religion (he had like 12 wives when his religion calls for 4. I will give him the progressive act of legalizing prostitution though by allowing temporary marraiges. Married Aisha at 6, consomating his marrage with her when she was 9. He was a racist hating blacks, called for the death of many jews, killed poets who revealed him for the charleton he was. Muhammad used his religion as a tool to gain money, sex and power. Muhammad united the arabs by military conquest.

The message of Jesus was different. He chose peace. It's actually interesting, one of my old professors told us of one of his old professors suggesting that when Jesus was giving the Sermon on the Mount/Plain he was actually giving a speech to the sicari or daggerment. They were also known as the zealots. Jesus at first may have thought about becoming the Davidic Messiah (many jews in Jesus' time believed in 2 or possibly 3 messiah's coming to help them in time of need, one a preacher, one a warrior. THe davidic messiah would be the warrior obviously). Remember when he said "I come not to bring peace but the sword" more or less. I am paraphrasing out my ass but you know what I mean. Jesus, however, decided to chose peace.

Oh and I am an athiest/agnostic...it depends on what side of the bed I wake up on in any given day.

[Kade]

"I think that Islam and Christianity are the most closely related religions than they are to any other religion (Judaism comes in a close second)."

As somebody who has studied judiasm, Christianity, and Islam in depth I strongly disagree with you.

Islam is mostly a hodgepodge of the pagan religion that existed in Muhammads time (the 5 pillars of islam were part of this), it also took elements from Zorasterism (ONly one god and muhammad his prophet is very close to what Zoraster and said about his god, verbatum except the name of the god was different and each individual claimed themselves as his prophet. Characters such as Jesus, Mary, Moses, and others are essentially taken mostly in name only and given completely different stories found in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Islam is more deeply influenced by the pagan religion of Mecca than Christianity. Islam's monotheism comes from Zoraserism and Christianity and thats about it.

As well, the Tanakh and New testament are considered curropted by the Jews and Christians so while they may read the Bible anything that doesn't jibe with Islam is disregarded. So even when Muslims and Christians do read the same texts from the bible they have radically different perpectives on what they read.

Fuck it, I'll just come out and say it, Muhammad was a sick phedophile, whole broke the rules of even his own religion (he had like 12 wives when his religion calls for 4. I will give him the progressive act of legalizing prostitution though by allowing temporary marraiges. Married Aisha at 6, consomating his marrage with her when she was 9. He was a racist hating blacks, called for the death of many jews, killed poets who revealed him for the charleton he was. Muhammad used his religion as a tool to gain money, sex and power. Muhammad united the arabs by military conquest.

The message of Jesus was different. He chose peace. It's actually interesting, one of my old professors told us of one of his old professors suggesting that when Jesus was giving the Sermon on the Mount/Plain he was actually giving a speech to the sicari or daggerment. They were also known as the zealots. Jesus at first may have thought about becoming the Davidic Messiah (many jews in Jesus' time believed in 2 or possibly 3 messiah's coming to help them in time of need, one a preacher, one a warrior. THe davidic messiah would be the warrior obviously). Remember when he said "I come not to bring peace but the sword" more or less. I am paraphrasing out my ass but you know what I mean. Jesus, however, decided to chose peace.

Oh and I am an athiest/agnostic...it depends on what side of the bed I wake up on in any given day.

You didn't study Christianity all too well, did you?

[Uriel999]

"You didn't study Christianity all too well, did you?"

I have read the bible 2 times. I have read the Nag Hammadi library, Dead Sea Scrolls, parts of the Jewish Mishnah and Midrash. My book shelf is filled with books on the historical Jesus and early Christianity.

I have taken at least 4 classes strictly on Christianity: Old Testament, New Testament, yet another NT class and History of Christianity.

I am no doctorate...yet, I find it funny you are trying to allude to my ignorance of Christianity when I have spent years studying the faith.

[Uriel999]

Oh and James M. Robinson, and Bart Ehrman are 2 of my favorite authors on early Christianity.

[faisal]

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[boggie08]

You know why I'm leaving the Ron Paul forums for good? It's because of discriminatory racists like the ones here. You're all retards who don't even know a single thing about the values of Ron Paul. Go ahead and call me a troll, because it is immature and stupid behavior on your part. I want you all to realize that this movement was full of retards who knew nothing about Ron Paul or how to even coordinate a functioning movement. One loss here and there and everyone leaves, like rats. Rational Thinker, I commend your rational thinking =), although I do believe that Islam and Judaism are more closely related than christianity. Also, referring to your private message, Yes. To everyone else, GO TAKE A POLISCI CLASS AND I BET YOU ANYTHING THAT HALF OF YOU WILL NEVER COME BACK TO RON PAUL AGAIN!

This is exactly why we need to stop discussing religion. Although this guy may not be the most desireable member, we do not want to drive people away. I think everyone, religious or atheist, should take a deep breath, and read the threads about religion on these forums. We cannot continue like this. We need to stop bickering about religion.

[Kade]

You know why I'm leaving the Ron Paul forums for good? It's because of discriminatory racists like the ones here. You're all retards who don't even know a single thing about the values of Ron Paul. Go ahead and call me a troll, because it is immature and stupid behavior on your part. I want you all to realize that this movement was full of retards who knew nothing about Ron Paul or how to even coordinate a functioning movement. One loss here and there and everyone leaves, like rats. Rational Thinker, I commend your rational thinking =), although I do believe that Islam and Judaism are more closely related than christianity. Also, referring to your private message, Yes. To everyone else, GO TAKE A POLISCI CLASS AND I BET YOU ANYTHING THAT HALF OF YOU WILL NEVER COME BACK TO RON PAUL AGAIN!

Some of us here do understand. We are trying to change things in the movement... some have only recently come out of the dark, as MicahNelson describes to me, they don't understand what it is to debate, and they don't understand tolerance.