View Full Version : Missouri Ron Paul Delegates Refuse To Be Bound To Voting For John McCain
Phantom
03-27-2008, 05:14 PM
Missouri Ron Paul Delegates Refuse To Be Bound To Voting For John McCain
Wednesday, March 26th, 2008
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Ron Paul with Missouri State Representative Jim Guest
Apparently I wasn't the only one who had to suffer a little (http://www.connietalk.com/ohio_primary_day_fiasco_031008.html) to vote for Ron Paul this year. Ron Paul supporters across Missouri - who held their caucus this month - aren't content with settling for the GOP's favorite, Senator John McCain. Though Missouri's state Republican Party rules require the national delegates to vote for the presumptive nominee McCain, and Paul came in fourth at MO's Feb. 5th primary, many Missouri Republicans are not okay with that. And it doesn't matter to them where Paul placed in the lineup: it's the principle, they say.
In Jackson county (http://www.examiner.com/a-1285763~Ron_Paul_supporters_making_waves_at_Missou ri_caucuses.html), more than 175 delegates are Ron Paul supporters.
"We can also help affect the Republican platform," said Paul organizer Larry Holland, "And bring it back to its conservative, libertarian views."
In St. Charles County (http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/articles/2008/03/24/news/sj2tn20080322-0323stc-caucus0.ii1.txt), the caucus turned into a six-hour event where Ron Paul supporters gained control. They were the majority in attendance, and elected O'Fallon rep Brent Stafford as chairman: Paul supporters made up 241 of the 274 delegate slots. And they weren't just talking: they passed a proposed rule change that could affect presumptive nominee John McCain, as the delegates seek to secure the option of voting for the candidate of their choosing from the Missouri Republican Party.
In Greene County (Springfield), Paul supporters made up 72 of the 112 delegate slots.
ENewsPF (http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2011&Itemid=2) reports that the Ron Paul campaign may be falling victim to "machine politics" by the GOP, and that the Republican Party is being accused of breaking their own rules to disenfranchise Paul supporters.
"The Republican Party is in trouble and needs more participants in 2008, not less," said campaign manager Lew Moore. "It makes no sense for Missouri party leaders to exclude and marginalize the new activists they badly need to work at every level this fall."
As for the Missouri GOP's website (http://www.mogop.org/wp/2008-election-information/), John McCain is now listed as the only presidential candidate.
Link (http://www.connietalk.com/ron_paul_missouri_032608.html)
LibertyIn08
03-27-2008, 05:18 PM
'Ron Paul Renegades Override Your Primary Vote'
Man, this will be fun.
lucynuts
03-27-2008, 07:11 PM
This is how and why the delegate system was set up the way it was so that candidates would have to find REAL support among the public. If John McCain can't muster up delegates who support him among the millions who have voted for him than something is wrong either he doesn't have real support or the general public decided to go into the voting booth and pick the most familiar name whether or not they supported him (I say massive voter fraud). A primary is meant to be a beauty contest amongst names and Ron Paul was the only one with a blimp a world's longest limo and the most diehard and dedicated supporters EVER!!!!!!
LibertyIn08
03-27-2008, 07:13 PM
This is how and why the delegate system was set up the way it was so that candidates would have to find REAL support among the public. If John McCain can't muster up delegates who support him among the millions who have voted for him than something is wrong either he doesn't have real support or the general public decided to go into the voting booth and pick the most familiar name whether or not they supported him (I say massive voter fraud). A primary is meant to be a beauty contest amongst names.
I know, I was playing devil's advocate as to the media's response. I fully support the Missouri Ron Paul delegates.
Signzit
03-27-2008, 07:25 PM
I know, I was playing devil's advocate as to the media's response. I fully support the Missouri Ron Paul delegates.
...but they absolutely have no chance in hell, right?
I'll bet, Your so happy, to support their losing efforts, Right?
Why do they spend so much time on such a loser, when their time could be better spent doing something so much more important?
Why don't they spend their efforts on other, lesser known candidates, that may have better chances in other races?:rolleyes:
LibertyIn08
03-27-2008, 07:27 PM
...but they absolutely have no chance in hell, right?
I'll bet, Your so happy, to support their losing efforts, Right?
Why do they spend so much time on such a loser, when their time could be better spent doing something so much more important?
Why don't they spend their efforts on other, lesser known candidates, that may have better chances in other races?
Show me where I said we should drop out of fighting for the race? Exactly where did I say we should abandon the campaign? I see you've taken to following me to every thread now.
If you really want me gone, I'll leave. But I think you should ask AdamT, or the people in my donation thread, or Johnathon Bydlak about how 'useless' I am before you are so ready to condemn me simply because I think we have a smaller chance at the presidency than you think we have.
kyleAF
03-27-2008, 07:30 PM
This is how and why the delegate system was set up the way it was so that candidates would have to find REAL support among the public. If John McCain can't muster up delegates who support him among the millions who have voted for him than something is wrong either he doesn't have real support or the general public decided to go into the voting booth and pick the most familiar name whether or not they supported him (I say massive voter fraud). A primary is meant to be a beauty contest amongst names and Ron Paul was the only one with a blimp a world's longest limo and the most diehard and dedicated supporters EVER!!!!!!
I say the fact that people go into the booths and "pick the winner" of the horserace is voter fraud!! To hell with the stupid State minions.
wgadget
03-27-2008, 07:30 PM
Well, I think it's cool that you guys in MO are making waves and making the news over there about Ron Paul. The more we keep his name and his message out there, the better.
All those people who voted in the early primaries are probably more than a little pissed at the outcome of having John McCain as the "presumptive" nominee. Give them something to smile about...
lucynuts
03-27-2008, 07:30 PM
Just because someone is delegate for RP doesn't mean they cant continue to support other candidates in other parties. The way I understand it delegates only take a couple days out of the year to meet up either in their county or state and vote on issues within the party's platform.
hillbilly123069
03-27-2008, 07:52 PM
Yahoo Answers back in january had little knowledge of Dr Paul.His growth there over the last 2 months is obvious.Here where I live, I marched in a gun rights rally on the capital toting my Ron Paul sign.Dozens of people there thought he was out but said they would put there signs back up and help spread his campaign.
...but they absolutely have no chance in hell, right?
I'll bet, Your so happy, to support their losing efforts, Right?
Why do they spend so much time on such a loser, when their time could be better spent doing something so much more important?
Why don't they spend their efforts on other, lesser known candidates, that may have better chances in other races?:rolleyes:
slacker921
03-27-2008, 08:05 PM
"All those people who voted in the early primaries are probably more than a little pissed at the outcome of having John McCain as the "presumptive" nominee." .. hey.. think about us poor folks in NC who won't get to vote for another month.
SteveMartin
03-27-2008, 08:21 PM
Unbelievable...Again more strong evidence of massive and pervasive voter fraud...and nary an investigative journalist to be found.
Is this Soviet Russia, circa 1950?
derdy
03-28-2008, 12:30 AM
...but they absolutely have no chance in hell, right?
I'll bet, Your so happy, to support their losing efforts, Right?
Why do they spend so much time on such a loser, when their time could be better spent doing something so much more important?
Why don't they spend their efforts on other, lesser known candidates, that may have better chances in other races?:rolleyes:
Our losing efforts? With all due respect, go take a long walk off a short pier......
We worked our tails off in St. Charles County and we will continue to do so. I'm on the ballot for Aug. 8th for Republican Committeeman in my township, as our my fellow neigbors, and others are on the ballot for State Reps and other positions.
Why don't you spend your efforts on something other than sitting on the Internet and talking down the efforts of others that our working their tails off for their country and for the Constitution?! :rolleyes:
EDIT:Disregard if you forgot to put a "/sarcasm" at the end of your post.
Signzit
03-28-2008, 12:39 AM
Our losing efforts? With all due respect, go take a long walk off a short pier......
We worked our tails off in St. Charles County and we will continue to do so. I'm on the ballot for Aug. 8th for Republican Committeeman in my township, as our my fellow neigbors, and others are on the ballot for State Reps and other positions.
Why don't you spend your efforts on something other than sitting on the Internet and talking down the efforts of others that our working their tails off for their country and for the Constitution?! :rolleyes:
EDIT:Disregard if you forgot to put a "/sarcasm" at the end of your post.
i didn't forget to put it there, you forgot to read it there, don't how you missed it
Note: the sarcasm in my op
syborius
03-28-2008, 01:35 AM
Unbelievable...Again more strong evidence of massive and pervasive voter fraud...and nary an investigative journalist to be found.
Is this Soviet Russia, circa 1950?
with each caucus it is becoming more evident that mccain has zero support.
I am still waiting for any troll to find me a picture with Mccain at a rally from the street with crowds in the 1000's. I asked many times for someone to find me a youtube, or a rally, besides mccains townhall rally's packed with 60 people. Each time I ask the trolls fail to offer an explanation or proof.....WHERE IS HIS FUCKING SUPPORT?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanmartin/2287819144/in/set-72157603970964652/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanmartin/2287818536/in/set-72157603970964652/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryanmartin/2287817532/in/set-72157603970964652/
pictures speak a 1000 words, or maybe 6000, indeed.
hotbrownsauce
03-28-2008, 03:57 AM
I believe civil lawsuits can be brought against people who don't vote for who they have to. Please consult the Ron Paul campaign before taking this as a fact. We must find out because I'm an alternate delegate for Paul here in Missouri.
derdy
03-28-2008, 05:07 AM
i didn't forget to put it there, you forgot to read it there, don't how you missed it
Note: the sarcasm in my op
Well, considering your sarcasm wasn't noted in your original post I had no way of knowing other than I am a sarcastic bastard myself. :D
To anyone else it would not be so obvious at first glance.
FindLiberty
03-28-2008, 06:40 AM
I'm fascinated by this concept of the faithless elector and "refusing to pledge".
Guess an elector could pledge to vote for XXX while intending to vote for YYY and
then take the heat for their actions ('cept in Michigan and Minnesota where the
resulting vote could just be invalidated?). It's a fast track path to get thrown out
of the GOP, so new (RP leaning) electors would then be needed to "take back the
GOP" sometime in the future. Bet they all scurry around and change these rules...
RP may also pick up some bonus votes from some of the other Republicrat and
Demoncat candidate's electors too, provided those old party hacks have any
remaining soul... If that happens, look for President Paul to be ignored by the
MSM as they discuss impeachment and "How the Election Was (also) Stolen in 2008".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
[snip] Political parties choose their slate of electors in each state, and they generally select party members with a reputation for high loyalty to the party and its candidate. Moreover, a faithless elector runs a risk of censure and other political retaliation from his party. Thus, the parties have generally been successful in keeping their electors faithful, leaving out the cases in which a candidate died before the elector was able to cast a vote.
Twenty-four states have laws to punish faithless electors.[citation needed] While no faithless elector has ever been punished, the constitutionality of state pledge laws was brought before the Supreme Court in 1952 (Ray v. Blair, 343 U.S. 214). The court ruled in favor of the state's right to require electors to pledge to vote for their party's nominee, as well as to remove electors who refuse to pledge. Once the elector has voted, their vote can only be changed in states such as Michigan and Minnesota, where votes other than those pledged are rendered invalid. However, in all twenty-four states, a faithless elector may only be punished after he or she votes. As stated in the ruling, electors are acting as a function of the state, not the federal government. Therefore, states have the right to govern electors. The constitutionality of state laws punishing electors for actually casting a faithless vote, rather than refusing to pledge, has never been decided by the Supreme Court.
speciallyblend
03-28-2008, 06:55 AM
just called the missouri gop to remind them that ron paul IS IN THE RACE AND SHOULD BE ON THEIR WEBSITE;)
Aratus
03-28-2008, 07:14 AM
This is how and why the delegate system was set up the way it was so that candidates would have to find REAL support among the public. If John McCain can't muster up delegates who support him among the millions who have voted for him than something is wrong either he doesn't have real support or the general public decided to go into the voting booth and pick the most familiar name whether or not they supported him (I say massive voter fraud). A primary is meant to be a beauty contest amongst names and Ron Paul was the only one with a blimp a world's longest limo and the most diehard and dedicated supporters EVER!!!!!!
the complexities of our system!
orlandoinfl
04-06-2008, 10:23 PM
this can happen in many states if we mobilize!!
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