Constitution Party Candidate

[Jay778x]

It appears likely that Alan Keyes will be the Constitution Party nominee as Judge Roy Moore doesn't appear interested. While I would have prefered Ron Paul in that position, what is your opinion of supporting Alan for President over McCain and Hillary/Obama?

There is a thread over on alankeyes.com claiming that Ron Paul supporters and Keyes supporters have a common bond. Clearly, Alan Keyes is not Ron Paul and differs from him on a variety of issues but that doesn't necessarily disqualify him. A lot of CP members/party officials are hoping Alan moderates his views on the Iraq War to become more in-line with the party ideas.

Thoughts?

[UnReconstructed]

Where did you get this information?

[FrankRep]

Here are the party candidates


Pastor Chuck Baldwin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Baldwin]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Baldwin

Dr. Jerome Corsi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi

Dr. Don Grundmann - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Grundmann]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Grundmann

Dr. Alan Keyes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

Judge Roy Moore - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore

Senator Bob Smith - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._Smith]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._Smith

[Stallion]

methinks this thread belongs somewhere else.


But to answer the question...I'd much rather see Chuck Baldwin get the nomination. I do prefer Keyes to McCain or Obama, but he's pretty soft on non-interventionism and I really don't think he would change a whole lot while in office. Baldwin is about the closest thing there is to Ron Paul in the current crop of potential CP nominees.

[Jay778x]

Where did you get this information?

Go take a look at AlanKeyes.com and tell me it doesn't look like he will be the CP candidate.

Specifically the news section, the party logo, and scroll to the bottom and look at the Republican Elephant

:D

[Stallion]

Go take a look at AlanKeyes.com and tell me it doesn't look like he will be the CP candidate.

Specifically the news section, the party logo, and scroll to the bottom and look at the Republican Elephant

:D


It looks like he thinks he will be the nominee. The questions is, will party leaders over look his stance on the Iraq War? That's a pretty major issue right there. The delegates at the convention will choose the nominee, so Alan Keyes portraying himself as the front-runner doesn't really mean anything.

[ARealConservative]

If Keyes wins the Constitution Party, they might as well close up shop.

He claims to be a constitutionalist, but the only betrayals of the constitution he cares about revolve around religion.

He has no problems with authorizations of force. He has no problems with drug wars and would like to see the Federal Government force harsher penalties. He claims we have a moral responsibility to Israel. I find the man disgusting

[Jay778x]

It looks like he thinks he will be the nominee. The questions is, will party leaders over look his stance on the Iraq War? That's a pretty major issue right there. The delegates at the convention will choose the nominee, so Alan Keyes portraying himself as the front-runner doesn't really mean anything.

Agreed.

I like Alan... he's fiery and inspirational and I think he'd be effective about getting the CP name out there. I don't think he's the ideal candidate but we'll see. Bottom line I think I'll be supporting whoever becomes the CP candidate and this will be the first time I've ever voted not for a Republican.

[Jay778x]

btw i know this thread probably belongs somewhere else, but with the dozens of Mike Gravel threads I figured it isn't a big deal.

[FSP-Rebel]

If Keyes wins the Constitution Party, they might as well close up shop.

He claims to be a constitutionalist, but the only betrayals of the constitution he cares about revolve around religion.

He has no problems with authorizations of force. He has no problems with drug wars and would like to see the Federal Government force harsher penalties. He claims we have a moral responsibility to Israel. I find the man disgusting
Couldn't have said it better myself. Keyes is a joke with a capital 'J.' So is anyone who supports him.

[AJ Antimony]

It appears likely that Alan Keyes will be the Constitution Party nominee as Judge Roy Moore doesn't appear interested. While I would have prefered Ron Paul in that position, what is your opinion of supporting Alan for President over McCain and Hillary/Obama?

There is a thread over on alankeyes.com claiming that Ron Paul supporters and Keyes supporters have a common bond. Clearly, Alan Keyes is not Ron Paul and differs from him on a variety of issues but that doesn't necessarily disqualify him. A lot of CP members/party officials are hoping Alan moderates his views on the Iraq War to become more in-line with the party ideas.

Thoughts?

Ever heard of writing in Ron Paul?

[OptionsTrader]

Aside from my very political friends, I don't know anyone that knows who Alan Keyes is.

[TurtleBurger]

Alan Keyes is pretty much the same as Mike Huckabee, but at least Huck doesn't look like he's always ready to kill someone.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

I will be writing in Ron Paul.

[Kotin]

actually alan keyes was the one who convinced my whole church to vote for Ron Paul..

[Hook]

I used to like Keyes until he went all crazy on the gays and the war. I remember being miffed that they didn't allow him in the debates in 1996.

[Stallion]

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[BenMuldowney]

If Keyes wins the Constitution Party, they might as well close up shop.

He claims to be a constitutionalist, but the only betrayals of the constitution he cares about revolve around religion.

He has no problems with authorizations of force. He has no problems with drug wars and would like to see the Federal Government force harsher penalties. He claims we have a moral responsibility to Israel. I find the man disgusting


amen to this post. keyes is all for the war on islamofascism... he supports the war. what a fraud... nothing constitutional about this charlatan. not to mention he looks funny.. his eyes are too far apart. LOL jk

[FreeTraveler]

Keyes is a bat-shit crazy theocrat, which makes him a perfect match for the Constitution Party, based on what I read on their website.

One very simple example: Pretzel logic is required to call yourself a "Constitutionalist" and approve of censorship and the war on drugs.

[JRegs85]

I was/am hoping that the Constitution Party would nominate Ron Paul, regardless of his wishes.

[BenMuldowney]

I was/am hoping that the Constitution Party would nominate Ron Paul, regardless of his wishes.


i was hoping for something like this along with a merging of the libertarians... but probably too many whiners to do something this smart.

[Midnight77]

I couldn't vote for Keyes, just because I think he is a nut.

[Brian in Maryland]

The man was a raving lunatic in the debates. :eek:

I will be writing in Ron Paul.:)

[BKom]

Keyes is a bat-shit crazy theocrat, which makes him a perfect match for the Constitution Party, based on what I read on their website.

One very simple example: Pretzel logic is required to call yourself a "Constitutionalist" and approve of censorship and the war on drugs.


Thank goodness someone else said it. If you support the Constitution Party, look in the mirror and see the theocratic non-constitutionalist looking back at you.

The party has a really good name, but lives up to it about as well as a candidate like Alan Keyes would signify.

[Captain America]

If Keyes wins the Constitution Party, they might as well close up shop.

He claims to be a constitutionalist, but the only betrayals of the constitution he cares about revolve around religion.

He has no problems with authorizations of force. He has no problems with drug wars and would like to see the Federal Government force harsher penalties. He claims we have a moral responsibility to Israel. I find the man disgusting

i agree, i am a member of the constitution party, and this will no doubt be the end, the only chance he had was the constitution party and libertarian party both giving Ron Paul even if he didnt want it.

[BenMuldowney]

Thank goodness someone else said it. If you support the Constitution Party, look in the mirror and see the theocratic non-constitutionalist looking back at you.

The party has a really good name, but lives up to it about as well as a candidate like Alan Keyes would signify.


ummm.... have you actually read it? it is not anti-God.

[Gadsden Flag]

I like Alan Keyes okay. I wish he wasn't pro-war though.

He can also be snobbish sometimes. I like him better than either of the Democrats though.



I bet if Ron Paul ran as independant, the CP and LP would not run any candidate.

[BKom]

ummm.... have you actually read it? it is not anti-God.

ummm . . . did you read my post? I never said anti-God.

The Constitution Party would install a theocracy if it had its way. A Christian theocracy. And in my book, that's just as bad as an Islamic theocracy.

[MoonShine]

This country was founded on Christianity and Biblical principles. The early Americans (Pilgrims) came here to escape persecution because of their Christianity.

The king of England demanded to be elevated to a god-like sature. Christians had only one king - his name was King Jesus. :)

The Constditution Party claims to be based on Biblical principles.

Alan Keyes seems like a nice enough person. But the Constitution Party would be violating Biblical law if they appointed him as their candidate.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=17&version=50

Deuteronomy Ch. 17 Ver. 15


you shall surely set a king over you whom the LORD your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother.


If they appointed Alan Keyes I would lose confidence in them.

In the book of Leviticus God places restrictions on kings that his children place over them. I would have to research to find it but basically it says (or God tells Moses) that a king may not profit from his position of power and that a king must be held accountable to the people who appoint him.

In other words a king can hold the title "king" but he must be a humble one, a true servant.

[MoonShine]

If you don't believe me about America being founded on Christianity check this book out:
http://www.amazon.com/Political-Sermons-American-Founding-1730-1805/dp/086597179X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206841623&sr=8-1

It's called "Political Sermons of the American Founding Era: 1730-1805" Here's the review from Amazon dot com


Political Sermons of the American Founding Era: 1730-1805~ is an excellent source of political sermons from the American colonial and founding era. Themes cover everything from the Biblically-ordained role of civil authorities to patriotism to the dangers of prosperity to the sovereignty of God. Sermons in this anthology feature a cross-section of early American Christian denominations: including Congregationalist Puritans, Baptists, and High Anglicans like James Madison. Samuel Langdon's Sermon on the "Republic of the Israelites, An Example" is particularly intriguing and no doubt inspirational to all who heard his message. Issac Backus was a New England Baptist who also made an impassioned plea for religious liberties in 1773, echoing a theme of the founders that religion is the duty we owe are creator. John Adams once avowed our Constitution was for a religious and moral people. The reality that virtue is a prerequisite for a Republic is often forgotten. Most of the founding fathers believed that virtue was to be found in the tenets of Christianity. James Madison said it best, "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

[Swmorgan77]

Thank goodness someone else said it. If you support the Constitution Party, look in the mirror and see the theocratic non-constitutionalist looking back at you.

The party has a really good name, but lives up to it about as well as a candidate like Alan Keyes would signify.

The party platform is actually very good, but there is a definite movement of the "Republican party isn't religious enough for me" element in the party.

I won't vote for Alan Keyes, though years ago he was pretty good and a solid libertarian/Constitutionalist. He really seeemed to ramp up the theatrics, buy into the war on terror and ramp down the principled libertarianism in recent years.

[Bro.Butch]

BOB BARR would be better than most...:cool:

[libertarian4321]

Alan Keyes is about 10 cards short of a full deck.

"Stupid" might get you elected President (e.g. George W. Bush), but "bat shit crazy" (Keyes) won't...

[rockandrollsouls]

ALAN KEYES IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONALIST OR LIBERTARIAN. Stop associating him with good names. He supports unconstitutional wars and meddling in nations affairs.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

ALAN KEYES IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONALIST OR LIBERTARIAN. Stop associating him with good names. He supports unconstitutional wars and meddling in nations affairs.

He's also a huge, huge failure. Keyes has lost every race he ever ran in, and for good reason. He's a nut. The GOP even flew him into Illinois to run against Obama for Senate, just because he's one of their few token black candidates. Keyes looked crazy as usual, and lost by a landslide to the inexperienced pup. I believe Obama won by over 70%, the largest margin any candidate has ever won by for Senate in IL electoral history.

Keyes is a failure, a neo-con, and a kook. Enough said.

[haigh]

So I'm seeing those who plan to go Libertarian Party, Constitution Party, Ron Paul writeins, and maybe a few Repubs out there who are scared sxxxless over socialist Obama.

Our slave masters must be laughing their heads off how we've been divided and conquered.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

So I'm seeing those who plan to go Libertarian Party, Constitution Party, Ron Paul writeins, and maybe a few Repubs out there who are scared sxxxless over socialist Obama.

Our slave masters must be laughing their heads off how we've been divided and conquered.

Probably so. Unfortunately, we wouldn't be going our separate ways for voting in November if Ron Paul were to put himself on a third party ticket, but it looks like it just isn't meant to be.

[haigh]

Probably so. Unfortunately, we wouldn't be going our separate ways for voting in November if Ron Paul were to put himself on a third party ticket, but it looks like it just isn't meant to be.

So in spite of all the insistence to the contrary, it really was about the man, and not the message.

[yongrel]

Ah yes, the anti-porn party. My favourite.

[kigol]

:ugh:

[yongrel]

From the Constitution Party's website:

"Pornography, at best, is a distortion of the true nature of sex created by God for the procreative union between one man and one woman in the holy bonds of matrimony, and at worst, is a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities. We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.

With the advent of the Internet and the benevolent neglect of the previous administrations, the pornography industry enjoyed uninhibited growth and expansion until the point today that we live in a sex-saturated society where almost nothing remains untainted by its perversion. While we believe in the responsibility of the individual and corporate entities to regulate themselves, we also believe that our collective representative body we call government plays a vital role in establishing and maintaining the highest level of decency in our community standards."

I really am not a fan of the CP.

[alaric]

Here are the party candidates


Pastor Chuck Baldwin - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Baldwin]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Baldwin

Dr. Jerome Corsi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi

Dr. Don Grundmann - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Grundmann]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Grundmann

Dr. Alan Keyes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

Judge Roy Moore - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore

Senator Bob Smith - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._Smith]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_C._Smith

from this slate, Chuck Baldwin looks good. Was surprised to see my old friend Bob Smith in there! I always called him the Ron Paul of the senate:cool:

[haigh]

From the Constitution Party's website:

"We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy."



Very good example of badly crafted double talk.