why the love for mike gravel?

[uncollapse]

he is a freaking socialists! i say enough of cookies. no socialists love.

[Kade]

he is a freaking socialists! i say enough of cookies. no socialists love.

wah, wah, wah.

[uncollapse]

First Gravel, then Kucinich. Who's next? Obama? Then Hillary?

[Kade]

First Gravel, then Kucinich. Who's next? Obama? Then Hillary?

wah...wah?

[SouthGeorgia61]

First Gravel, then Kucinich. Who's next? Obama? Then Hillary?

Comparing Gravel/Kucinich to Obama/Hillary is stupid and absolutely laughable, its like comparing Ron to George Bush. Please stop with knocking people that actually agree with Ron on a lot of important issues and have the guts to stand up for the ordinary person, but are liberal instead of conservative.

[ARealConservative]

he is a freaking socialists! i say enough of cookies. no socialists love.

Outside of Paul, they are all socialists.


Let's look at just three issues and compare Gravel with McCain:

Iraq War

Patriot Act

IRS/Federal Reserve

On all three of those issues, Gravel sides with us. McCain does not.

What issue does McCain even agree with us on?

How about Hillary?

How about Obama?

So why the McCain love from you?

[Kilrain]

Gravel and Kucinich come across as honest and that's always a big plus. But they both stand for things I could never vote for. I think it's good to have people with different opinions in Congress, but I would never want either of them to be in charge. Sadly, that's how a lot of people think of Ron Paul, too.

[ItsTime]

Our founding fathers were on different sides of the isle. But had a common goal.

[Catatonic]

Paul, Kucinich, Gravel, are all for the people.

obama, hillary, mccain, huckabee, romney, etc, are all for the establishment.

Gravel is really awesome, he's no ron paul and I don't agree with him 100% but over all he's one of the best that ran.

He's really horrible at dealing with the media though.

[torchbearer]

Gravel was a great defender of civil liberties when he fought against the draft during the vietnam slaughter.

[Kade]

Our founding fathers were on different sides of the isle. But had a common goal.

People forget this. For example, Adams and Jefferson were on two entirely different perspectives on many issues...

[OptionsTrader]

Say what you want about Gravel, this clip of him bitch slapping Hillary is YouTube gold awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XwNCbSTQE

[captainelectron]

The common goal of Hillary, Obama, and McCain, is no change at all. They are like peas in a pod. I have their pledge right here.

"I (Hillary, Barack, or John) pledge allegiance to the Omnipotent State, and against the Republic that it replaced, one nation, controlled, with liberty and justice for some.

[Kotin]

Gravel was a great defender of civil liberties when he fought against the draft during the vietnam slaughter.

thank you for some sense.

disregarding everyone who doesnt completely agree with you 100% makes you George W Bush.

facsim is a 2-way street.

GROW UP

Mike Gravel is a good man who has earned my respect

[uncollapse]

saying yes to gravel means yes to universal healthcare

[ARealConservative]

saying yes to gravel means yes to universal healthcare

You might need to read up on the powers POTUS has in the constitution because what you just wrote is a load of rich creamery butter.

[Kotin]

saying yes to gravel means yes to universal healthcare


uncollapse you obviously have some growing up to do.


ugh...sometimes the ignorance that abounds is overwhelming..

[uncollapse]

uncollapse you have growing up to do obviously.



yeah. feed on your cookies. before you know it, it will kill you with diabetes. Universal healthcare = universal bankrupt

[justatrey]

Paul, Kucinich, Gravel, are all for the people.

obama, hillary, mccain, huckabee, romney, etc, are all for the establishment.


Right on. I'd throw Nader in there too as one of the few that is running with good intentions. I could vote for any of these guys based on that alone because it is so rare these days.

Sure most of us disagree on many issues with Kucinich, Gravel, and Nader but in most of our minds they are honest, trustworthy, and have good intentions despite being liberals.

[Kotin]

yeah. feed on your cookies. before you know it, it will kill you with diabetes. Universal healthcare = universal bankrupt

but then again, i am ignorant 100% to what i am talking about.




QFT

have you not read a word ive typed?

seriously, go away.

[uncollapse]

Sure most of us disagree on many issues with Kucinich, Gravel, and Nader but in most of our minds they are honest, trustworthy, and have good intentions despite being liberals.

wow. The level of compromise is beyond disgusting. War mongers also have good intentions. Who are you to judge one's intentions? Universal healthcare is evil. End of story.

[uncollapse]

QFT

have you not read a word ive typed?

seriously, go away.

now, you are beginning to suffer from the side-effects of cookies addiction i.e. hallucination. Told ya, keep away from cookies.

[uncollapse]

http://www.sallys-place.com/food/columns/zonis/Best_Cookie-20.jpg

[Kotin]

you sound like the people who mock Ron Paul and call him a kook with no agrument or knowledge to back up their claim, you are just as bad as them.

apparently your idiocy knows no bounds.

[Catatonic]

you sound like the people who mock Ron Paul and call him a kook with no agrument or knowledge to back up their claim, you are just as bad as them.

apparently your idiocy knows no bounds.

Uncollapse posed as a Paul supporter for a while then quickly shifted gears to "come on guys mccain's not so bad we should back him up".

His point is semi valid though. Universal healthcare IS evil, Gravel's heart is in the right place but he's wrong on a few issues, in my opinion.

Universal health care, global government, but he's still a million times better than mccain, hillary or obama. He's also anti war and anti income tax, but they never asked him if he's running for the wrong party :)

Kucinich is a gun grabbing socialist and I hate that about him, but I still respect him and he's right about a lot of other things.

[uncollapse]

you sound like the people who mock Ron Paul and call him a kook with no agrument or knowledge to back up their claim, you are just as bad as them.

apparently your idiocy knows no bounds.

i believe you do not need me to educate you on the evil of universal healtcare.

[OptionsTrader]

Uncollapse posed as a Paul supporter for a while then quickly shifted gears to "come on guys mccain's not so bad we should back him up".


He didn't pose as one long before I saw him for what he is.

[tajitj]

This country would have a real choice if it was Kucinich vs Paul for the presidency.

We need to not call anyone who wants progressive taxes socialists. Come on we are not that bad off and we have been living with this tax system for 60 years. I would trust Gravel with the money I have to send over Hil or McCain.

Our system could be workable if the right people were running the country. We are now at the critical time. The big 3 are the kind we can not afford for 8 years.

[BuddyRey]

Comparing Gravel/Kucinich to Obama/Hillary is stupid and absolutely laughable, its like comparing Ron to George Bush. Please stop with knocking people that actually agree with Ron on a lot of important issues and have the guts to stand up for the ordinary person, but are liberal instead of conservative.

Word!

[0zzy]

I am confused by the "BARR SUCKS! GRAVEL RULES!" type talk. Socialist libertarians > Republican libertarians?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

he is a freaking socialists! i say enough of cookies. no socialists love.

I don't love anyone. :p

[uncollapse]

I am confused by the "BARR SUCKS! GRAVEL RULES!" type talk. Socialist libertarians > Republican libertarians?

ditto

[notcarljung]

why the love for mike gravel
good question.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

good question.

He's better on immigration and abortion, but loses all his promise when it comes to his economic policy. oh well. Still, great press

[justatrey]

wow. The level of compromise is beyond disgusting. War mongers also have good intentions. Who are you to judge one's intentions? Universal healthcare is evil. End of story.

Warmongers do not have good intentions.

Ignoring all other issues, if Candidate A believes in universal healthcare wheras Candidate B is a warmonger, based on that info alone I'd have to choose candidate A.

I don't like universal healthcare but it is not pure evil like sending Americans to invade and occupy an innocent country that poses no threat and cause the deaths of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands (or some even say 1,000,000+ in Iraq) of innocent people.

Not coincidentally neither Gravel, Nader nor Kucinich are warmongers. Maybe you don't like the phrase good intentions? While I disagree with them on universal healthcare I believe they support it because they think it would be good for Americans, wheras warmongers support invading Iraq/Iran for extremely evil reasons - there is a big difference between a liberal and someone who supports murdering innocent people for power/profit.

[BuddyRey]

Warmongers do not have good intentions.

Ignoring all other issues, if Candidate A believes in universal healthcare wheras Candidate B is a warmonger, based on that info alone I'd have to choose candidate A.

I don't like universal healthcare but it is not pure evil like sending Americans to invade and occupy an innocent country that poses no threat and cause the deaths of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands (or some even say 1,000,000+ in Iraq) of innocent people.

Not coincidentally neither Gravel, Nader nor Kucinich are warmongers. Maybe you don't like the phrase good intentions? While I disagree with them on universal healthcare I believe they support it because they think it would be good for Americans, wheras warmongers support invading Iraq/Iran for extremely evil reasons - there is a big difference between a liberal and someone who supports murdering innocent people for power/profit.

Word!!! (Again! :D)

[uncollapse]

Warmongers do not have good intentions.

Ignoring all other issues, if Candidate A believes in universal healthcare wheras Candidate B is a warmonger, based on that info alone I'd have to choose candidate A.

I don't like universal healthcare but it is not pure evil like sending Americans to invade and occupy an innocent country that poses no threat and cause the deaths of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands (or some even say 1,000,000+ in Iraq) of innocent people.

Not coincidentally neither Gravel, Nader nor Kucinich are warmongers. Maybe you don't like the phrase good intentions? While I disagree with them on universal healthcare I believe they support it because they think it would be good for Americans, wheras warmongers support invading Iraq/Iran for extremely evil reasons - there is a big difference between a liberal and someone who supports murdering innocent people for power/profit.

Well, Obama and Hillary are not war mongers. So why not throw some of the Gravel love to them? And in case you are not aware, there is something called a moral war i.e. a war fought to overthrow haughty tyrants and cruel oppressors. Old Testament has lots of such stories. Indeed, a 'pre-emptive' war can be a moral war.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Well, Obama and Hillary are not war mongers. So why not throw some of the Gravel love to them? And in case you are not aware, there is something called a moral war i.e. a war fought to overthrow haughty tyrants and cruel oppressors. Old Testament has lots of such stories. Indeed, a 'pre-emptive' war can be a moral war.

Yeah, stories.

[Kotin]

Well, Obama and Hillary are not war mongers. So why not throw some of the Gravel love to them? And in case you are not aware, there is something called a moral war i.e. a war fought to overthrow haughty tyrants and cruel oppressors. Old Testament has lots of such stories. Indeed, a 'pre-emptive' war can be a moral war.

you are the biggest f*cking neocon troll.

you know nothing of the Old Testament obviously


go bomb bomb bomb Iran somewhere else

send my regards to Hagee and McCain.


10% of the world's population actually thinks, the rest just rearrange their prejudices.


but on the plus side i bet its fun to be in the majority



;)

[uncollapse]

Ron Paul supporters embracing a liberal socialist... what a sight..

[Alawn]

Gravel sucks really bad. Being better than Hillary doesn't make him great. He is way way way too socialist and would have the government run way to much of our lives.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Well, at least he's not Wayne Root.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I would love for the Libertarian Party to become a "big tent" with people that believe in fiscal responsibility, and social tolerance. That would be great. Just as long as the corporate interests don't take over!

[justatrey]

Well, Obama and Hillary are not war mongers. So why not throw some of the Gravel love to them? And in case you are not aware, there is something called a moral war i.e. a war fought to overthrow haughty tyrants and cruel oppressors. Old Testament has lots of such stories. Indeed, a 'pre-emptive' war can be a moral war.

Hillary voted for the Iraq War Resolution. Obama consistently votes to fund it and even wants more troops sent to Afghanistan! They are both warmongers imo.

They are saying what they know is popular at the moment - "bring the troops home". They are on the same level as McCain in my book and I don't believe for one second that either of them will stop the killing when faced with pressure from the powerful interests who are profiting from it..

I have heard of the phrase "moral war" but I can't take you seriously anymore if you are implying that Iraq qualifies.

[garrettwombat]

the liberal message caters no freedom...

when you take from one person and give to another... you have destroyed the freedoms of both those men and assumed government control over them as well.

[notcarljung]

I wouldn't say Hillary and Obama warmongers, but they're certainly interventionists. They like the "less carrots, more sticks" approach John Bolton drunkenly screams about on Sunday talk shows.


Well, at least he's not Wayne Root.
there's something we can all agree on! ;)

[PennCustom4RP]

It seems to me, that Barr or Gravel, or whomever some of us are willing to throw our support at, have positions on issues that are not in line with the issues that Ron Paul held.
Gravel and Kucinich are socialists, but they are 'good' socialists? Mccain is a Warmonger, but so is Obama and Clinton...but not as bad?
So which is it? If Voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil...or have we split it into degrees of evil now?...2 evils, or 3 or 4 or 5...When does this compromise end, and these are no longer evil?

Just a thought....

[Luft97]

I wanted Ron to make it to President. As it is now I don't see it happening unless we can pull off some miracle at the RNC. I like Gravel and while I don't agree with everything that he has to say, I can agree we need to stop policing the world and keep the USA a soveriegn nation. If he gets the nomination I will vote for him if Ron is not on the ticket.

Not that I think he will win but I know alot of you are optimists about the future, I am not. I think this is the last time we will be able to peacefully change the country. Maybe I am wrong, you never know.

[familydog]

Compromising is ok, as long as it's outside the two party system. The lesser if two evils is evil only when it applies to Republicans and Democrats. Come on people!

[PennCustom4RP]

Compromising is ok, as long as it's outside the two party system. The lesser if two evils is evil only when it applies to Republicans and Democrats. Come on people!

Ok:D I guess its all good once they change their party affiliation. Oh shit, I registered GOP to vote for RP...I'm amongst the Evil...better switch back.

[Gadsden Flag]

Are there any other members of the Libertarian party who used to be in the US Senate? I know there are some congress members, but I'm not sure about senate.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Are there any other members of the Libertarian party who used to be in the US Senate? I know there are some congress members, but I'm not sure about senate.

Don't think so.