I have lost all faith in the American voters

[a_moran3]

Not because they continue to elect the same old establishment clowns in Washington. Not because they actually think Sen. Obama is a great candidate. Not because they think McCain was the best Republican candidate this year. But for what someone told me yesterday.

Whenever I talk politics at work I always mention Ron Paul. Now this woman was intrigued in Ron Paul, so I lent her the book Foreign Policy of Freedom. So after having asked her what she thought of Ron Paul, this was her response, "I agree with everything Ron Paul says. He makes the most sense and he has been consistent in his message. But I still have to vote for Obama because he has the nicest suits. He dresses the best out of any candidate."

My jaw just dropped and I said have a good night. If she thinks this way, I guarantee at least another 50,000 think this way.

I mean can you believe this? I'm just shell shocked and worried that our message won't get through these people, especially if this the way they choose a candidate to elect.

[Kotin]

ouch.

hope you didnt hit her.

i might have.

[ClayTrainor]

yea, there needs to be some sort of test that people need to get 80% on before they're even allowed to vote.

that should help weed out the morons.

[crazyfingers]

Yeah it's pathetic, but it's also the political reality. I don't think Ron's drab, ill-fitting suits hurt him, but they sure didn't help.

[Alawn]

Looks is unfortunately one of the most important factors to voters

[seapilot]

Obviously Darwins theory is stagnant in todays world.

[acptulsa]

Obviously Darwins theory is stagnant in todays world.

That's what the social safety net and idiotproofing are for--to preserve idiotic voters.

[qh4dotcom]

Not because they continue to elect the same old establishment clowns in Washington. Not because they actually think Sen. Obama is a great candidate. Not because they think McCain was the best Republican candidate this year. But for what someone told me yesterday.

Whenever I talk politics at work I always mention Ron Paul. Now this woman was intrigued in Ron Paul, so I lent her the book Foreign Policy of Freedom. So after having asked her what she thought of Ron Paul, this was her response, "I agree with everything Ron Paul says. He makes the most sense and he has been consistent in his message. But I still have to vote for Obama because he has the nicest suits. He dresses the best out of any candidate."

My jaw just dropped and I said have a good night. If she thinks this way, I guarantee at least another 50,000 think this way.

I mean can you believe this? I'm just shell shocked and worried that our message won't get through these people, especially if this the way they choose a candidate to elect.

I have also lost all faith in the American voters

Bill Maher once asked Ron Paul..."If America was a smarter country, wouldn't you be leading in the polls?"

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2007/08/daily-show-bill-maher-show-and-colbert.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GX-bPyPBlY

By the way...here are some more voters that will shock you like the woman you mentioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE

[Deborah K]

Not because they continue to elect the same old establishment clowns in Washington. Not because they actually think Sen. Obama is a great candidate. Not because they think McCain was the best Republican candidate this year. But for what someone told me yesterday.

Whenever I talk politics at work I always mention Ron Paul. Now this woman was intrigued in Ron Paul, so I lent her the book Foreign Policy of Freedom. So after having asked her what she thought of Ron Paul, this was her response, "I agree with everything Ron Paul says. He makes the most sense and he has been consistent in his message. But I still have to vote for Obama because he has the nicest suits. He dresses the best out of any candidate."

My jaw just dropped and I said have a good night. If she thinks this way, I guarantee at least another 50,000 think this way.

I mean can you believe this? I'm just shell shocked and worried that our message won't get through these people, especially if this the way they choose a candidate to elect.

Have you ever seen the series: The Century of Self ? It explains why media-mall zombies like your co-worker are the way they are. It is a four part series. Here is the first series. The first 2 minutes explains a lot.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8953172273825999151&q=century+of+self&total=1616&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Truth Warrior]

Obviously Darwins theory is stagnant in todays world.
Nah, the devolution has been running full tilt for some time now. Darwin was all about adaptation, not progress.

[wowabunga]

Keep working on waking up you neighbors... a good percentage is waking up. Yes some are so asleep it will be very hard to reach them, forget them, go for the next one... it's our only hope.

[Truth Warrior]

Bad news #1 - Their vote counts just as much as yours.
Bad news #2 - There are a whole lot more of them.

[pinkmandy]

That's what the social safety net and idiotproofing are for--to preserve idiotic voters.

QFT. My thoughts exactly. If we didn't have so many "regulations" and "warning labels" to protect the stupid people from themselves, well, there wouldn't be as many stupid people.

[adam1mc]

Not because they continue to elect the same old establishment clowns in Washington. Not because they actually think Sen. Obama is a great candidate. Not because they think McCain was the best Republican candidate this year. But for what someone told me yesterday.

Whenever I talk politics at work I always mention Ron Paul. Now this woman was intrigued in Ron Paul, so I lent her the book Foreign Policy of Freedom. So after having asked her what she thought of Ron Paul, this was her response, "I agree with everything Ron Paul says. He makes the most sense and he has been consistent in his message. But I still have to vote for Obama because he has the nicest suits. He dresses the best out of any candidate."

My jaw just dropped and I said have a good night. If she thinks this way, I guarantee at least another 50,000 think this way.

I mean can you believe this? I'm just shell shocked and worried that our message won't get through these people, especially if this the way they choose a candidate to elect.

I couldn't agree more. Check out this video of Florida voters telling the camera man who they are voting for any why... err it's irritating tho...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE

[RP4EVER]

ive watched that video....those people are complete idiots!

Im voting for Hilary Clinton

Why

Because I like her policies

Which Policy

I dunno


Those are the people you want to knock on top of the head and yell "ANYONE HOME?"

[a_moran3]

I have also lost all faith in the American voters

Bill Maher once asked Ron Paul..."If America was a smarter country, wouldn't you be leading in the polls?"

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2007/08/daily-show-bill-maher-show-and-colbert.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GX-bPyPBlY

By the way...here are a some more voters that will shock you like the woman you mentioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE

Yikes that really just grinded my gears! However, I did watch the Ron Paul Limo video! Great stuff!

[amy31416]

While I understand losing faith in the majority of American voters, try not to lose your faith in your ability and duty to try to educate them.

[qh4dotcom]

While I understand losing faith in the majority of American voters, try not to lose your faith in your ability and duty to try to educate them.

Here's the problem with trying to educate voters...the first two complete paragraphs at the top of the page below pretty much explains it

http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20020904.html

Only works with open-minded people...or you need to master the art of influencing people.

But you're right...an attempt to educate them should at least be made....nothing to lose by trying

[a_moran3]

Here's the problem with trying to educate voters...the first two complete paragraphs at the top of the page below pretty much explains it

http://www.veganoutreach.org/enewsletter/20020904.html

Only works with open-minded people...or you need to master the art of influencing people.

I agree with that article, however it's just plain stupidity if you vote for someone based on their physical appearance instead of their issues. So it's not so much, for lack of a better, pride, but rather plain ignorance.

[xd9fan]

Americans have all but lost the idea of self reliance.
The Baby Boomers are turning America in to a 2nd class Europe.
America is in for more pain. Its sad but true.
Out of all the doom and gloom out there, justified or not.........realize this.....America will not survive on the continued path we are on.

My God the time, energy,money and blood we have spent in the middle east.......think how better our security would be if we spent all this time and energy on the southern border and our ports.

Its so sad

We all need to talk with people about Liberty and push forward at all times

But you also need to buy guns, ammo and balance your family budget as a back-up

[seapilot]

Keep working on waking up you neighbors... a good percentage is waking up. Yes some are so asleep it will be very hard to reach them, forget them, go for the next one... it's our only hope.

They will wake up when there is no $, no government entitlements, no security, no food and they will banging on your door asking for help and will agree with whatever you tell them as long as they get a bite to eat.

[xd9fan]

They will wake up when there is no $, no government entitlements, no security, no food and they will banging on your door asking for help and will agree with whatever you tell them as long as they get a bite to eat.


At that point (banging on my door) My gun will be out pointed in their face. My kids come first.

[Zera]

Paul's message scares people. Not that it's evil or something, but it's the truth. It's not sugar coated with some tall and handsome black guy.

Basically, this is what I think the average American votes based on:

- Looks
- The "winner"
- Someone who doesn't scare them with the truth

[xd9fan]

boomers have a shit load of selfish denial.......enough to kill the country.

[Deborah K]

boomers have a shit load of selfish denial.......enough to kill the country.

I guess snot-nosed punks don't have a 'selfish denial' bone in their bodies, right? :rolleyes: No media-mall zombies in that group!

Taste good?

Try doing a little less collectivist stereotyping and blaming, and a little more work on coming up with solutions.

[Andrew-Austin]

I guess snot-nosed punks don't have a 'selfish denial' bone in their bodies, right? :rolleyes: No media-mall zombies in that group!

Taste good?

Try doing a little less collectivist stereotyping and blaming, and a little more work on coming up with solutions.

Well I'd bet the media-mall zombie to awake thinking person ratio would be pretty close for the two different generations, with there being a bit more awake youngins.

[nc4rp]

wage war on ignorance. Thats what Ron Paul is ALL about.

consider Ron has been feeling this way some 30+ years. Imagine his own internal struggle, and to think he handles it with such dignity as well too must you and I.



keep up hope. otherwise all is lost.

[Todd]

Makes you wanna bang your head against a wall till you pass out doesn't it?

[Zera]

wage war on ignorance. Thats what Ron Paul is ALL about.

consider Ron has been feeling this way some 30+ years. Imagine his own internal struggle, and to think he handles it with such dignity as well too must you and I.



keep up hope. otherwise all is lost.

I have no idea how Paul can handle it. Any normal person would be yelling "TOLD YOU SO!!!" just about all the time with everything thats been happening... Yet he doesn't. He sees it coming, and warns people, they call him a kook, and he still respects them. I don't think another person like him even exists in the world...

[LEK]

Not because they continue to elect the same old establishment clowns in Washington. Not because they actually think Sen. Obama is a great candidate. Not because they think McCain was the best Republican candidate this year. But for what someone told me yesterday.

Whenever I talk politics at work I always mention Ron Paul. Now this woman was intrigued in Ron Paul, so I lent her the book Foreign Policy of Freedom. So after having asked her what she thought of Ron Paul, this was her response, "I agree with everything Ron Paul says. He makes the most sense and he has been consistent in his message. But I still have to vote for Obama because he has the nicest suits. He dresses the best out of any candidate."

My jaw just dropped and I said have a good night. If she thinks this way, I guarantee at least another 50,000 think this way.

I mean can you believe this? I'm just shell shocked and worried that our message won't get through these people, especially if this the way they choose a candidate to elect.

You know what I think it is? Americans (majority) have not really felt the effects of all Ron Paul is warning against. We talk about recession, inflation, depression, dollar dying, etc. BUT until we actually go to the store and the shelves are empty; try to survive socialized medicine; lose a son or daughter in Iraq or whatever war they start; get drafted; lose our job; don't have a cell phone, cable, two or three cars; can't take vacations; can't eat out five times a week...ad naseaum...we will continue to get lame answers like your co-worker gave you.

Americans are spoiled rotten and have been lulled to sleep. The government with the help of the mass media and public education have done a great job creating the sheeple we encounter today.

And when the masses do feel it - they will sell their souls to make it all better and they'll want it made better fast.

[TER]

The sheer ignorance of the masses is what has led us to the circumstances we are in. This is why we are approaching a depression and long lines waiting for gas/bread/etc. But the hopeful part is that we often need to be sitting in the muck, feeding with the pigs, before we come to our senses and change our ways, a la the parable of the prodigal son.

I feel bad we as a country are going to suffer. But I look forward to our repentance and revolution!

[qh4dotcom]

You know what I think it is? Americans (majority) have not really felt the effects of all Ron Paul is warning against. We talk about recession, inflation, depression, dollar dying, etc. BUT until we actually go to the store and the shelves are empty; try to survive socialized medicine; lose a son or daughter in Iraq or whatever war they start; get drafted; lose our job; don't have a cell phone, cable, two or three cars; can't take vacations; can't eat out five times a week...ad naseaum...we will continue to get lame answers like your co-worker gave you.

Americans are spoiled rotten and have been lulled to sleep. The government with the help of the mass media and public education have done a great job creating the sheeple we encounter today.

And when the masses do feel it - they will sell their souls to make it all better and they'll want it made better fast.

I couldn't agree with you more...it's called learning the hard way

[DeafEric]

Paul's message scares people. Not that it's evil or something, but it's the truth. It's not sugar coated with some tall and handsome black guy.

Basically, this is what I think the average American votes based on:

- Looks
- The "winner"
- Someone who doesn't scare them with the truth

Well said!!

We need to make a new move to force all of our government and media to provide every information they have with presenting two or more views on one message with whole of truth-ness.

I don't care how they try to fix the problems with new laws. But they misses out with one biggest factor to prevent whole problems is by providing every information with truth to public. So that public and government will share the responsibility and if public decides to choose whatever and face the problem. Easy two words for them, "Too bad!" They read information and decides to choose whatever comes with risks or + and - of cost and benefits whatever.

[icon124]

I have also lost all faith in the American voters

Bill Maher once asked Ron Paul..."If America was a smarter country, wouldn't you be leading in the polls?"

http://economicspolitics.blogspot.com/2007/08/daily-show-bill-maher-show-and-colbert.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GX-bPyPBlY

By the way...here are some more voters that will shock you like the woman you mentioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE

I honestly hate living next to these people

[ronpaul.republican]

I mean can you believe this? I'm just shell shocked and worried that our message won't get through these people, especially if this the way they choose a candidate to elect.

Most Americans are dogs. They have squandered the precious gift the Founders bequeathed to them.

They deserve to starve in the streets. They are not worthy.

[pinkmandy]

Americans are spoiled rotten and have been lulled to sleep. The government with the help of the mass media and public education have done a great job creating the sheeple we encounter today.

And when the masses do feel it - they will sell their souls to make it all better and they'll want it made better fast.


That scares me to death. The majority will hand over our rights for us in exchange for the easy way out. Will they object to a police state? A socialist take over? One world govt? Not if they are promised the moon and stars. :(:mad:

[ronpaul.republican]

And when the masses do feel it - they will sell their souls to make it all better and they'll want it made better fast.

And that's when the Homeland Gulags will start filling with the starving, bewildered masses.

They deserve everything they have coming.

[american.swan]

ive watched that video....those people are complete idiots!

Im voting for Hilary Clinton

Why

Because I like her policies

Which Policy

I dunno


Those are the people you want to knock on top of the head and yell "ANYONE HOME?"


How about "HELLO McFLY!!!"?

[satchelmcqueen]

Bad news #1 - Their vote counts just as much as yours.
Bad news #2 - There are a whole lot more of them.

Aman to that!

[AdamT]

People should have to name at least 3 positions they like about a candidate before they are allowed to vote. That would filter out most of the clueless sheep voting on looks and hollow slogans.

[satchelmcqueen]

The sad thing is that just a few short weeks ago, Maher was on larry king, and didnt even try to mention ron Pauls name. he was my last hope for getting pauls message out there when no one else would. Its truely up to getting more delegates now...It can be done however and we are kicking butt from what I read.

[StilesBC]

"I have lost all faith in the American voters"

Welcome to the club. You are now aligned with the sentiments of the rest of the world.

If you guys want your country back you're going to need to fight for it. I'm not talking about posting on a message board. I mean fight. Physically. Perhaps it can be done via peaceful military coup. But that's a longshot. Otherwise, blood needs to be shed. If you're not willing to risk that, you're not worthy of liberty in the first place.

My opinion is based on historical evidence.

[Matthew P.]

I couldn't agree more. Check out this video of Florida voters telling the camera man who they are voting for any why... err it's irritating tho...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE

The lady as the subject of this post and the video you put make me furious - especially the lady. It sounds like she slugged all the way through his book - that's a lot of work! Then after all that she's not going to vote for him?! Incredulous.

At the end of that movie (Why Ron Paul did not win in Florida) it said that policies are irrelevant - I'm finding that more and more to be the truth - it doesn't matter and that's the way our government wants to keep it. Hollywood has done such a fantastic job of getting people to only think about themselves, lust after what they don't have, try to be what they aren't, and encouraging people to chase after wisps of air that they cannot even think for themselves anymore.

This all reminds me of a guy I talked to a few weeks ago who said that he like Ron Paul and would vote for him (maybe) in the general election if he were on the ticket, but wasn't going to vote for him now because he had never voted for a woman before and wanted to experience the thrill of marking Hillary's name on the ballet at the caucuses! I mean, if that's all you wanted, then just write her name on a piece of paper and stick it in the garbage - then get out and vote for Ron Paul. This country's doomed. There aren't enough people who want true freedom, most of the sheeple want the government to do everything for them and they're fine with that. Shame on America! Shame on our government and educational system! Shame on Hollywood! :mad:

[Anti Federalist]

That is why we, the remnant, of whatever "political" stripe, had damn well better be making plans and start working toward a separation.

If we do not, feeble minded chowderheads like the one mentioned by the OP will drag all of us down with them.

This is not a political option anymore, but a matter of survival.

[Akus]

Looks is unfortunately one of the most important factors to voters

then why is Mitt for brains Romney out? Shouldn't he be the crowned nomination winner?

[Matthew P.]

"I have lost all faith in the American voters"

Welcome to the club. You are now aligned with the sentiments of the rest of the world.

If you guys want your country back you're going to need to fight for it. I'm not talking about posting on a message board. I mean fight. Physically. Perhaps it can be done via peaceful military coup. But that's a longshot. Otherwise, blood needs to be shed. If you're not willing to risk that, you're not worthy of liberty in the first place.

My opinion is based on historical evidence.

You are so right . . .unfortunately. Our Constitution even calls for it. When a government arises that sheds the Constitution as their guide and charter then it is the civic duty of the citizens of the United States of America to rise up and overthrow that government and restore rule to the people. I don't think, sadly, that even the faithful Ron Paul supporters (majority anyway) would be willing to take it that far. It took much blood to secede from Britain and it will take as much or more to secede from this corrupt government that has been in the making for nearly 100 years. The problem is - not only are there not enough within the Ron Paul movement, but there aren't ANY in the rest of the U.S. that would support such an uprising. You would need literally millions, upon millions to rise up in arms and demand justice - you would have to have the numbers because right now the
Executive office has the military all to itself - no checks or balances, and you can rest assured that our own military would be used against us. How many Michael News are there in the military today? Not many. You see, the military is now made up of the same brand of people that the rest of the U.S. is - brainwashed and apathetic. Sure, the military drills in to them obedience, but they would have no idea if an order given was unconstitutional. I was in the Army for four years, active duty and I saw it. If the government ordered our military against us, I guarantee that 95% would not even flinch, they would just obey the orders, not realizing that it was completely illegal and unconstitutional.

I'm am getting sick of the apathy. I have no idea what to do though. If you are just one person, you will be lost in the oblivion of history - no one will remember. If you are a few (i.e. up to a few hundred) then you are considered a cult and written off as a fanatic and the government can dispose of you with the public's hearty approval (i.e. Waco) or you will be labeled as a "conspiracy theorist" which gets touted a lot around here. If the government is out to get us then call a spade a spade. Most here in the Ron Paul forums agree that the North American Union is real, probably because they heard Ron Paul talk about it. Most people on this forum have heard the word "globalization" used and probably think it's a good thing. Wake up people, start doing more research than just sitting on these forums! Go to the government websites and begin reading about this stuff - it's scary. They put it up for public viewing because they are so confident that no one will read it; and, probably few will understand it - then when the people cry "no fair" they can say, "but it has always been public access - why didn't you cry out against it five years ago?" Don't you see where this is taking us?

Bottom line: Bush doesn't need to be impeached. Bush needs to be tried by the American People for Treason of the highest degree and the punishment needs to fit the crime: EXECUTION. No, I am not radical. No, I am not a conspiracy theorist - I am ticked off and this is exactly what the Constitution demands. Anything less, and we don't really want it badly enough.

[Truth Warrior]

"The people get the government that they deserve." -- ???

My revised modification: "All of the people get the government that only most of them deserve." :mad:

[LittleLightShining]

You know what I think it is? Americans (majority) have not really felt the effects of all Ron Paul is warning against. We talk about recession, inflation, depression, dollar dying, etc. BUT until we actually go to the store and the shelves are empty; try to survive socialized medicine; lose a son or daughter in Iraq or whatever war they start; get drafted; lose our job; don't have a cell phone, cable, two or three cars; can't take vacations; can't eat out five times a week...ad naseaum...we will continue to get lame answers like your co-worker gave you.

Americans are spoiled rotten and have been lulled to sleep. The government with the help of the mass media and public education have done a great job creating the sheeple we encounter today.

And when the masses do feel it - they will sell their souls to make it all better and they'll want it made better fast.+1

[LittleLightShining]

This all reminds me of a guy I talked to a few weeks ago who said that he like Ron Paul and would vote for him (maybe) in the general election if he were on the ticket, but wasn't going to vote for him now because he had never voted for a woman before and wanted to experience the thrill of marking Hillary's name on the ballet at the caucuses! I mean, if that's all you wanted, then just write her name on a piece of paper and stick it in the garbage - then get out and vote for Ron Paul. This country's doomed. There aren't enough people who want true freedom, most of the sheeple want the government to do everything for them and they're fine with that. Shame on America! Shame on our government and educational system! Shame on Hollywood! :mad:A few weeks back I heard a radio piece on NPR (maybe, probably) and this man said something to the effect of "I'm voting for Hillary because we need an earth-mother to heal our planet." :confused:

Honest question here: if Americans get what "they" deserve by being ignorant and selfish, what does that mean for us? The ones who care? aren't we going to be the ones who suffer the most? And our kids? Or do you all have some master plan for escaping the impending collapse and socialist reclamation if we don't get Ron Paul elected?

[acptulsa]

A few weeks back I heard a radio piece on NPR (maybe, probably) and this man said something to the effect of "I'm voting for Hillary because we need an earth-mother to heal our planet." :confused:

Honest question here: if Americans get what "they" deserve by being ignorant and selfish, what does that mean for us? The ones who care? aren't we going to be the ones who suffer the most? And our kids? Or do you all have some master plan for escaping the impending collapse and socialist reclamation if we don't get Ron Paul elected?

All we can do is all we can do. We keep shouting in the wilderness, we're trying to convert the G.O.P. into something responsible and sane. And we're still open to ideas. Got some?

[Andrew-Austin]

then why is Mitt for brains Romney out? Shouldn't he be the crowned nomination winner?

Because the GOP neocons are trying to give the election to the dems, thats why they nominated nut job McPain who has difficulty opening his mouth without embarrassing himself. My two pence anyways.

[lucynuts]

There was a similar discussion about this a while back and the end result was could you imagine how well we'd be doing if Ron Paul had the body of Mitt Romney?

[lucynuts]

You are so right . . .unfortunately. Our Constitution even calls for it. When a government arises that sheds the Constitution as their guide and charter then it is the civic duty of the citizens of the United States of America to rise up and overthrow that government and restore rule to the people. I don't think, sadly, that even the faithful Ron Paul supporters (majority anyway) would be willing to take it that far. It took much blood to secede from Britain and it will take as much or more to secede from this corrupt government that has been in the making for nearly 100 years. The problem is - not only are there not enough within the Ron Paul movement, but there aren't ANY in the rest of the U.S. that would support such an uprising. You would need literally millions, upon millions to rise up in arms and demand justice - you would have to have the numbers because right now the
Executive office has the military all to itself - no checks or balances, and you can rest assured that our own military would be used against us. How many Michael News are there in the military today? Not many. You see, the military is now made up of the same brand of people that the rest of the U.S. is - brainwashed and apathetic. Sure, the military drills in to them obedience, but they would have no idea if an order given was unconstitutional. I was in the Army for four years, active duty and I saw it. If the government ordered our military against us, I guarantee that 95% would not even flinch, they would just obey the orders, not realizing that it was completely illegal and unconstitutional.

I'm am getting sick of the apathy. I have no idea what to do though. If you are just one person, you will be lost in the oblivion of history - no one will remember. If you are a few (i.e. up to a few hundred) then you are considered a cult and written off as a fanatic and the government can dispose of you with the public's hearty approval (i.e. Waco) or you will be labeled as a "conspiracy theorist" which gets touted a lot around here. If the government is out to get us then call a spade a spade. Most here in the Ron Paul forums agree that the North American Union is real, probably because they heard Ron Paul talk about it. Most people on this forum have heard the word "globalization" used and probably think it's a good thing. Wake up people, start doing more research than just sitting on these forums! Go to the government websites and begin reading about this stuff - it's scary. They put it up for public viewing because they are so confident that no one will read it; and, probably few will understand it - then when the people cry "no fair" they can say, "but it has always been public access - why didn't you cry out against it five years ago?" Don't you see where this is taking us?

Bottom line: Bush doesn't need to be impeached. Bush needs to be tried by the American People for Treason of the highest degree and the punishment needs to fit the crime: EXECUTION. No, I am not radical. No, I am not a conspiracy theorist - I am ticked off and this is exactly what the Constitution demands. Anything less, and we don't really want it badly enough.

Dude !!!!!
+ infinity

well stated

[amy31416]

Bottom line: Bush doesn't need to be impeached. Bush needs to be tried by the American People for Treason of the highest degree and the punishment needs to fit the crime: EXECUTION. No, I am not radical. No, I am not a conspiracy theorist - I am ticked off and this is exactly what the Constitution demands. Anything less, and we don't really want it badly enough.

My sentiments exactly.

[TheTruth]

There was a similar discussion about this a while back and the end result was could you imagine how well we'd be doing if Ron Paul had the body of Mitt Romney?

Exactly, If you take mitt romney, and add the brain of Ron Paul the guy would be unstoppable.

[SilentBull]

May God forgive me for the thoughts that cross my mind when I hear and see people like this. All I can say is that if there is an economic collapse, I hope those type of people are left out on the street begging for food. They deserve to be bums with nothing left but their worthless brains.

[Truth Warrior]

All we can do is all we can do. We keep shouting in the wilderness, we're trying to convert the G.O.P. into something responsible and sane. And we're still open to ideas. Got some?
Take the red pill! :) Answers do not exist inside the Matrix.

[JaylieWoW]

yea, there needs to be some sort of test that people need to get 80% on before they're even allowed to vote.

that should help weed out the morons.

I'd love to see a "constitutional authority" test. I have to be honest and admit I don't think I would "pass" at the moment, but that is changing exponentially going forward. :o

[acptulsa]

I'd love to see a "constitutional authority" test. I have to be honest and admit I don't think I would "pass" at the moment, but that is changing exponentially going forward. :o

The problem there was illustrated in the "Jim Crow" days in the South. Illiterate whites were cleared to vote anyway.

Besides, it's disenfranchisement. Yes, the Constitution only allowed for land owners to vote, and at the time they might be considered those who most had their act together. But that system led to abuse, too. Very tricky business.

[LittleLightShining]

Take the red pill! :) Answers do not exist inside the Matrix.*sigh* You know last night I was actually thinking that I wish I didn't know what I know. I'm looking around my neighborhood and wondering how many of these people really know what's going on. Do they care? If they knew would they care?

So many of them say they don't like the direction our country is going... They have no idea and I'm a kooky coconut when I talk about this stuff. So I just keep my mouth shut so when the gulag comes they can't point their fingers at me-- besides the fact I have a RP sign in my yard. Even family members, some are with it, they totally get it and some are so distracted by this alcoholic son or that drug-addict brother or this schizophrenic friend or their carbon footprint or their fuel bill or the price of prescription medications-- I'm outlandish and too worried about stuff I can't do anything about. I start talking about the economy and their eyes glaze over.

acp asked for ideas... I don't know. You want to take over the Republican party? These are the same people who (here and in other places with an open primary) decided to vote for Hillary Clinton instead of Ron Paul (even though they said they agreed with him). And then there are Republicans who even know about the CFR and the NAU and the Amero and are concerned about the loss of our sovereignty and our Constitutional rights yet they fail to see that the frickin military they worship and the war they love is costing us so much money that it is facilitating these things. THEY DRIVE ME FACKIN BATTY.

This is why I just want to crawl into a hole somewhere and hide from these crazy people. They're not going to change. And they'd just as soon label us traitors and send us to the FEMA camps. I almost feel like it's more dangerous to get involved with the Republicans. There was a point where I didn't feel that way, but as each day goes by and I listen to the local conservative media the more and more afraid I become.

[CUnknown]

acptulsa - completely agree, there shouldn't -ever- be a test for voting.

It is tempting to blame the people, they are a very easy target. But by doing that, we'd be taking our eyes off the ball. The real problem is not the people, but the machine that keeps them enslaved. It's like blaming the people trapped in the matrix instead of the matrix itself.

These people have been conditioned and manipulated through the media for -decades- to be like the way they are now. It takes immense effort to keep them so stupid and apathetic. But even so, some of us are breaking through -- and I believe the rate at which people are waking up is increasing every day.

And when everything starts to go really bad (as it is now), people will wake up even faster and demand change.

It may seem like we're losing, but actually nothing can stop our eventual triumph. Just keep trying, and we will succeed. The question is, what will America (and the rest of the world) be reduced to before we're able to finally retake control? Things may be pretty awful indeed when we finally win, but don't question our eventual victory. And keep trying to reach people who are enslaved, don't take the easy way out and blame them for their enslavement.

Although stupid people make me really angry, too. ;)

Edit: LittleLightShining - We're going to be sent to the gulag. The government is going to paint us as traitors as round us up eventually. Even just being a part of this movement and going to this site probably gets you flagged as a potential "terrorist" by the FBI. If we really want to make change, we have to come to grips with the fact that there will be repercussions against us for doing so. A lot of people died in the American Revolution. We all need to search ourselves and try to see if there is enough courage in us to get sent to the gulag or die fighting one day. Of course it's hard to tell before that day comes. Hopefully it won't come to that, but it might.

[Truth Warrior]

*sigh* You know last night I was actually thinking that I wish I didn't know what I know. I'm looking around my neighborhood and wondering how many of these people really know what's going on. Do they care? If they knew would they care?

So many of them say they don't like the direction our country is going... They have no idea and I'm a kooky coconut when I talk about this stuff. So I just keep my mouth shut so when the gulag comes they can't point their fingers at me-- besides the fact I have a RP sign in my yard. Even family members, some are with it, they totally get it and some are so distracted by this alcoholic son or that drug-addict brother or this schizophrenic friend or their carbon footprint or their fuel bill or the price of prescription medications-- I'm outlandish and too worried about stuff I can't do anything about. I start talking about the economy and their eyes glaze over.

acp asked for ideas... I don't know. You want to take over the Republican party? These are the same people who (here and in other places with an open primary) decided to vote for Hillary Clinton instead of Ron Paul (even though they said they agreed with him). And then there are Republicans who even know about the CFR and the NAU and the Amero and are concerned about the loss of our sovereignty and our Constitutional rights yet they fail to see that the frickin military they worship and the war they love is costing us so much money that it is facilitating these things. THEY DRIVE ME FACKIN BATTY.

This is why I just want to crawl into a hole somewhere and hide from these crazy people. They're not going to change. And they'd just as soon label us traitors and send us to the FEMA camps. I almost feel like it's more dangerous to get involved with the Republicans. There was a point where I didn't feel that way, but as each day goes by and I listen to the local conservative media the more and more afraid I become.

Poll question: "Are widespread ignorance and apathy two of the greatest challenges currently facing America?"

Most common answer: "I don't know and I don't care!"

I hear ya brother! :) Hang in there.

Thanks!

[JaylieWoW]

The problem there was illustrated in the "Jim Crow" days in the South. Illiterate whites were cleared to vote anyway.

Besides, it's disenfranchisement. Yes, the Constitution only allowed for land owners to vote, and at the time they might be considered those who most had their act together. But that system led to abuse, too. Very tricky business.

LOL, I wasn't actually serious... mostly just fantasy like... in a perfect world....

and, I agree.

[Carole]

Yeah it's pathetic, but it's also the political reality. I don't think Ron's drab, ill-fitting suits hurt him, but they sure didn't help.

Honestly, it frustrates me that anyone would even consider the cost of someone's suit as criteria for voting for that person. It is like saying you only want someone rich to run for office. Well, have we not had enough of that? Look what we got for it.

:mad:

I don't give a diddley-squat what his suit looks like so long as his ideas look good.

[Truth Warrior]

Honestly, it frustrates me that anyone would even consider the cost of someone's suit as criteria for voting for that person. It is like saying you only want someone rich to run for office. Well, have we not had enough of that? Look what we got for it.

:mad:

I don't give a diddley-squat what his suit looks like so long as his ideas look good.

A whole lot of "empty suits" have been elected for some time now.

[acptulsa]

Honestly, it frustrates me that anyone would even consider the cost of someone's suit as criteria for voting for that person. It is like saying you only want someone rich to run for office. Well, have we not had enough of that? Look what we got for it.

:mad:

I don't give a diddley-squat what his suit looks like so long as his ideas look good.

Do you choose a business out of the Yellow Pages by the size and color of their ad? Some do. Do they ever stop to consider how this business pays for that deluxe ad--as in, perhaps by having higher prices? Many don't.

Bling bling. I guess some don't mind slaving to provide it to others so long as they get to live vicariously through them.

[crazyfingers]

Politics is all about perception. In order to win - and thus have any chance of actually influencing policy - one needs to look good and say little. That's just the way the game is played.

It's not about education. Most people are content in their ignorance. If we think we're going to win the majority of voters over by appealing to their intellect, we will never make any headway.

[Truth Warrior]

Politics is all about perception. In order to win - and thus have any chance of actually influencing policy - one needs to look good and say little. That's just the way the game is played.

It's not about education. Most people are content in their ignorance. If we think we're going to win the majority of voters over by appealing to their intellect, we will never make any headway.

Yeah, just tell the voters whatever they want to hear. After you're elected you can pretty much do whatever you want to do, or what you are told to do. :p

[Theocrat]

Not because they continue to elect the same old establishment clowns in Washington. Not because they actually think Sen. Obama is a great candidate. Not because they think McCain was the best Republican candidate this year. But for what someone told me yesterday.

Whenever I talk politics at work I always mention Ron Paul. Now this woman was intrigued in Ron Paul, so I lent her the book Foreign Policy of Freedom. So after having asked her what she thought of Ron Paul, this was her response, "I agree with everything Ron Paul says. He makes the most sense and he has been consistent in his message. But I still have to vote for Obama because he has the nicest suits. He dresses the best out of any candidate."

My jaw just dropped and I said have a good night. If she thinks this way, I guarantee at least another 50,000 think this way.

I mean can you believe this? I'm just shell shocked and worried that our message won't get through these people, especially if this the way they choose a candidate to elect.

I'm surprised she didn't reply that she had to vote for Obama because he's Black, and America needs a Black President in the White House. Are you sure she wasn't just kidding you about her Obama's nice suits excuse?

[Carole]

Maybe if we had a sign that read, "Only stupid people may vote" at all the polling sites, it would drive away the voters. Then the rest of us could tear up the sign and vote. :)

[Carole]

Qtf

[acptulsa]

Qtf

Quit the forum?

By the way, I love your "only stupid people" idea. Little reverse psychology goes a long way.

[Ball]

I never had any 'faith' in voters to begin with. Democracy is a farce, and it only becomes more farcical with greater participation and higher offices.

This is why we should get rid of the primary system

[Ball]

BTW, it amuses me every time people try to tinker with democracy to try to make it work instead of considering how fundamentally flawed it is in the first place. We've been taught that democracy is good, therefore we just need to massage it until it works. Oh, if only voters were omniscient or policy wonks or otherwise not human. Oh, if only we had run-offs or weighted voting or intelligence tests. Give me a break!

Democracy has never worked--ever!

But don't take my word for it. Hear it from the good Doctor himself:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul233.html

[Ball]

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

~ Benjamin Franklin, leader of the American Revolution

"We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy... It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."

~ Alexander Hamilton, Secretary of the Treasury to George Washington, author of the Federalist Papers

"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

~ John Adams, 2nd President of the United States

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

~ Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States

"Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.

~ James Madison, 4th President of the United States, Father of the Constitution

"The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived."

~ John Quincy Adams, 6th President of the United States

"Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."

~ John Marshall, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, 1801-1835

[acptulsa]

The only things worse than democracy are all the alternatives.

[CUnknown]

If you don't have any faith in people or in democracy there is very little left.

[Truth Warrior]

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

[Ball]

The only things worse than democracy are all the alternatives.

I contend that the alternatives are FAR better. Democracy leads to oligarchic plutocracy as the caterpillar leads to a moth. They're one and the same, as far as I'm concerned, and it is as true now as it was with the Greeks.

We used to live in a Republic, which is not a democracy, and is a far better alternative.

[2young2vote]

Maybe we need someone like Obama who is "cool" and knows how to talk and will appeal to these kinds of people. Maybe Rand?

[JaylieWoW]

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

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