Alan Keyes and Ron Paul vie for Constitution Party nomination

[Cap]

Posted here http://www.conservativeevents.com/view.asp?0=nationalmassmedia&1=246

Presidential Nominating Convention
Event day: 4/22/2008
Event end day: 4/27/2008
City: Kansas City, MO
Organization: Constitution Party
Location: KANSAS CITY MARRIOTT DOWNTOWN, 200 West 12th Street
Cost: $0.00
Message was posted at: 3/22/2008 3:03:39 AM

Alan Keyes and Ron Paul (who is still a Republican) vie for the Presidential nomination of the Constitution Party

Anyone else seen this? Is it for real?

[Kludge]

Nope.

[HollyforRP]

What is constitutional about Alan Keyes?

[sophocles07]

What is constitutional about Alan Keyes?

I'll say this at least for Keyes: he presents his ideas with intelligence and sincerity (as opposed to McCain, Bush, Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Tancredo, etc etc etc)...it annoyed me he was CUT OUT of the debates completely; whether or not he is constitutional...I think he is not, he's very dangerous in that area.

[jpa]

CP = theocrats.

Yes they are constitional, but they believe the state should be unfluenced by the church

[Kludge]

I'll say this at least for Keyes: he presents his ideas with intelligence and sincerity (as opposed to McCain, Bush, Thompson, Duncan Hunter, Tancredo, etc etc etc)...it annoyed me he was CUT OUT of the debates completely; whether or not he is constitutional...I think he is not, he's very dangerous in that area.

So.... What's constitutional about Alan Keyes?

I don't believe he's received over 1000 votes nationwide as of yet...

[sophocles07]

No, I said he's not constitutional...I said he's dangerous to the Constitution; but that he argues his ideas intellectually.

[Kludge]

No, I said he's not constitutional...I said he's dangerous to the Constitution; but that he argues his ideas intellectually.

I need to go to sleep... ;)

[Paulitician]

Well, he did write his PhD dissertation on constitutional theory. I heard him an in interview about last month and he seems to know more than most candidates about a constitutional republican government. I'd never vote for him, however, because of his fundiness, his extreme social conservative policies, and the fact that he supports the "war on terror."

[nobody's_hero]

CP = theocrats.

Yes they are constitional, but they believe the state should be unfluenced by the church

You do get a sense of that from reading the Constitution Party's official website.

I don't think the CP would have the power to make some of the changes it wants to make without amending the Constitution (which would be legal, but unlikely).

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Keyes is a joke. He has lost every race he ever ran in by huge margins. I believe the GOP also used him as their token black candidate against Obama, and flew him into Illinois just to run, even when he was never a real resident. The Constitution Party would be nuts to nominate a failed neo-con.

[yongrel]

The Constitution Party is supposedly pro-liberty, but manages to also be anti-pornography. Somehow, they reconcile this difference.

[Aratus]

folks, you have obama almost totally streaking to the white house and you
wonder why alan keyes is having conniption fits over the idea of the guy who
smucked him in this here senate race now oh so close to power? only 2 people
stand between barack obama and that there bible come january! {mccain + ms. hillary!}

[Aratus]

at least a barr/keyes ticket might be thought integrated!

[Aratus]

keyes has got to have read the constitution at least once in his life...

[SteveMartin]

The only thing really detestable about Keyes was his willingness to be an ambassador to the filthy United Nations.

[rockandrollsouls]

Straight from the horse's mouth... "The issue is how are we going to fight it most effectively, how are we going to make sure we go after the terrorists and pre-empt their violence and destroy them before they destroy us?"

That comment troubles me. I've never liked keyes....he hides his views through unnecisarily complex speech and jargon...he just comes off like a stuck up butthole plus alot of his views are wrong.

[Revolution9]

When I am reminded of the bloviated blitherfest that is Keyes I also think of this as an appropriate analog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16YGYVEuWRs&mode=related&search

Randy

[mconder]

We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.

This is the only thing I found questionable about the Constitution Party platform. If they just remove "federal governments," there's nothing I would disagree with. Perhaps they are just asking that the Supreme Court would stay out of local obscenity laws, or they may be saying the Federal government should step in. It's a little ambiguous.

[ItsTime]

well they have the dates right
http://www.constitutionparty.com/view_events.php

And Ron Paul does have an add saying "I am a Constitutionalist"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RWdg2oapH9Y

[Banana]

nd Ron Paul does have an add saying "I am a Constitutionalist"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RWdg2oapH9Y

constitutionalist != a member of Constitution Party.

Besides, Soviet party members claims that they live in a democratic country.

[JRegs85]

Posted here http://www.conservativeevents.com/view.asp?0=nationalmassmedia&1=246

Presidential Nominating Convention
Event day: 4/22/2008
Event end day: 4/27/2008
City: Kansas City, MO
Organization: Constitution Party
Location: KANSAS CITY MARRIOTT DOWNTOWN, 200 West 12th Street
Cost: $0.00
Message was posted at: 3/22/2008 3:03:39 AM

Alan Keyes and Ron Paul (who is still a Republican) vie for the Presidential nomination of the Constitution Party

Anyone else seen this? Is it for real?



I wish. The Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party nomination is Ron Paul's on a silver plate, if he just asks for it. But Dr. Paul says he isn't going to run third party.

[FSP-Rebel]

I would be officially through considering the CP as a viable 3rd party if they nominate Keyes. In fact, that would tank their montra as the biggest 3rd party. I'm more of an LP guy, though I don't waste money on them any more. My money goes to Free Talk Live and the Free State Project. FTL is the biggest and most pure libertarian radio show in the world. Any RP supporter would enjoy this show, considering the hosts have all given money to the campaign as well as they've continually talked about him for the last year straight.

[1836]

What happens if Ron Paul is drafted to the CP nomination? Would he then outright reject it or use it as the new vehicle for the movement, or keep it as an Ace in his pocket as we go to the convention, or what?

Interesting dynamics there. Dr. Paul won't run third party ... but he might be drafted into it. Fascinating.

[Jaykzo]

Wait, we're talking about the same Alan Keyes that disowned his daughter after finding out she was gay, while cutting off his funding for her college education and leaving her no place to live?


Naw, I'll pass.

[Hook]

CP = theocrats.

Yes they are constitional, but they believe the state should be unfluenced by the church

Actually, you have it backwards. The LP wants the state unfluenced by the church, and the CP wants the state influenced by the church. :D

[Cap]

What happens if Ron Paul is drafted to the CP nomination? Would he then outright reject it or use it as the new vehicle for the movement, or keep it as an Ace in his pocket as we go to the convention, or what?

Interesting dynamics there. Dr. Paul won't run third party ... but he might be drafted into it. Fascinating.


You might be on to something there. That would be a very interesting turn of events. It would also invoke even more leverage for Dr. Paul at the NEOCON convention.

[scandinaviany3]

The Constitution Party is supposedly pro-liberty, but manages to also be anti-pornography. Somehow, they reconcile this difference.

yes but liberty doesnt give parties the right to harm others, especially the weakest and most vulnerable in our society.

[scandinaviany3]

You know though...the trick here is not the CP, LP, reform, greens, etc.

But a viable independent run with 3rd parties co-nominating an independent candidate to give them ballot access in as many states as possible.

Having no party control the ticket is the best of all worlds.

Americans appear to want:

-economy fixed
-no amnesty and leaving of all criminal illegals from US
-out of iraq
-anti NWO efforts

So we arent going to see any of these issues addressed by hillary, obama or mccain.

But when looking over resumes we know Ron wont run.

But those who have supported Ron and have some fame and following include:

Chuck Baldwin, Walter Williams, Napolitano, Roy Moore, Goldwater Jr, Lou Dobbs, Mel Gibson's father.

I believe when you see this list you can easily see a way for Ron to endorse a ticket from within this group.

For govt experience and fame Roy Moore and Goldwater Jr leap to the front.

I doubt Goldwater Jr. would want to run at the head of the ticket. But no reason for Ron's friend not to run as VP.

Second Mr. Moore has been hunted by the Bush NWO guys, is super supported by the illegal immigration groups and faith groups. He is a living legend in their communities and very anti NWO!

I personally vote for some good old Paulite spirit to unite the factions behind these two guys...

i agree with keyes being a mess....

But a Moore/Goldwater ticket i believe would win in 2008.

It would be up to us to recruit signature collectors quickly in all the states, contact mr. goldwater and mr. Moore to ok the petition...

I would expect that union would draw in 40% of the US voting population and give us the 100 million + we need to run the race to win!

[FreeTraveler]

I don't think the CP would have the power to make some of the changes it wants to make without amending the Constitution (which would be legal, but unlikely).

That didn't slow the neocons down one little bit, now, did it?

The only government I fear worse than the one we have today is a theocracy.

[yongrel]

yes but liberty doesnt give parties the right to harm others, especially the weakest and most vulnerable in our society.

How does porn hurt the weakest and most vulnerable?

All I see is a 3rd party trying to legislate religious morality, which I'm not a fan of.

[Shink]

Well, remember awhile back on LRC? The rumors about Ron Paul and Bob Barr meeting and possibly planning something, perhaps a ticket together? I saw on thirdpartywatch somebody confirm that they did indeed meet, but what the talk was about and what will result are still unknown. Maybe something beautiful is on the way.

[Jeremy]

The Constitution, Libertarian, and Reform parties have already endorsed Paul... RP is not running for them... but they want him.

[torchbearer]

constitutionalist != a member of Constitution Party.

Besides, Soviet party members claims that they live in a democratic country.

They did live in a "democratic" country, they just weren't smart enough to fake opposotion and split the communist party into two "competing" parties with the same agenda....
that is the only difference between modern day USSA and the old USSR.

[Banana]

The Constitution, Libertarian, and Reform parties have already endorsed Paul... RP is not running for them... but they want him.

It would be very interesting if they just went ahead and nominate him anyway. I strongly doubt that Ron Paul will accept as he's still running for GOP nomination, but this could be useful as an ace in his sleeve.

[Banana]

They did live in a "democratic" country, they just weren't smart enough to fake opposotion and split the communist party into two "competing" parties with the same agenda....
that is the only difference between modern day USSA and the old USSR.

I dunno. They didn't have to fake opposition because communist party was just so darned popular! How could millions of communists be possibly wrong?!? Any one who didn't like the communist agenda, liked it!

They wasted no time posturing, that's for sure. ;)

[torchbearer]

I dunno. They didn't have to fake opposition because communist party was just so darned popular! How could millions of communists be possibly wrong?!? Any one who didn't like the communist agenda, liked it!

They wasted no time posturing, that's for sure. ;)

I'm talking about that is the only difference between the collectivist here and those collectivist in the USSR.
Here- people "think" they have a choice when really its just two branches of the same tree.
In russia they were more upfront about it... "we will have elections so you can choose which one of us is going to rule over you- us being the people of this ONE communist party."
so they have as much democracy as we have today, and we have just as many choices thank to a mysterious media black-out on the only real alternative in the presidential race.

[Banana]

torchbearer, I understand that. I was making humor of how Soviets would probably have presented their case for having only one party. None of that frilly pandering and silly grandstanding. Everything was more simple. You voted. Communists win. No need for those debates or spins. It get tiring after a while, you know? ;)

Too bad I can't find that Tintin cartoon someone posted on other thread a while ago... It was so perfect.... It was in french.

[ItsTime]

now we have vote dem or vote rep and you have neo-con oh well im tired.

[scandinaviany3]

How does porn hurt the weakest and most vulnerable?

All I see is a 3rd party trying to legislate religious morality, which I'm not a fan of.

your joking right?

[GoldStan]

I'm talking about that is the only difference between the collectivist here and those collectivist in the USSR.
Here- people "think" they have a choice when really its just two branches of the same tree.
In russia they were more upfront about it... "we will have elections so you can choose which one of us is going to rule over you- us being the people of this ONE communist party."
so they have as much democracy as we have today, and we have just as many choices thank to a mysterious media black-out on the only real alternative in the presidential race.

How is it a "mystery"? We got less votes than Fred Freaking Thompson in most states!?!


No conspiracy theory necessary here, just a bunch of political hacks who sucked up the "money bombs" as salary to line their purses while doing *nothing* to help Dr. Paul get elected.

[torchbearer]

How is it a "mystery"? We got less votes than Fred Freaking Thompson in most states!?!


No conspiracy theory necessary here, just a bunch of political hacks who sucked up the "money bombs" as salary to line their purses while doing *nothing* to help Dr. Paul get elected.

The media has an agenda, and a free society is not part of the program.

[GoldStan]

Oh, I forgot... *everything* is due to outside conspiracies and *nothing* is simply due to incompetance.

They just wouldn't let Dr. Paul's campaign buy any airtime for decently produced ads with all that cash... I forgot.

Darn Zionists/Illuminati/Bankers/Martian Penguins/etc...

[yongrel]

your joking right?

Nope

[american.swan]

CP = theocrats.

Yes they are constitional, but they believe the state should be influenced by the church

If one state wanted to be a theocracy, would that be against the constitution?

[mtmedlin]

Alan Keys has some good ideas but in general he isnt a good candidate, isnt taken seriously by anyone and tends to come off as a kook. He also attempts to legislate morality and use it as the source of our problems. Definitely not someone that I would support.

[torchbearer]

If one state wanted to be a theocracy, would that be against the constitution?

I think so, i believe it is stated somewhere that the people are garunteed a Republican form of government.