Republican choice: Ron Paul or Hillary Clinton

[Elwar]

Ok, there has to be a way to properly get the message out to Republicans that the primaries are truly a choice between Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton.

If Ron Paul loses the primary the Republican Party will lose a whole lot of dedicated supporters either to Ron Paul as an independent, to Ron Paul as a write in or to the Libertarian or Constitution candidates...or the Unity08 candidates. Either way Ron Paul supporters will not support the neo-con candidate. No other candidate has the amount of dedicated support that Ron Paul has...not enough to inspire a third party.

Which basically means that a "Ross Perot effect" will hand another presidency to another 8 years of a Clinton presidency.

It's not a matter of speculation, it's a given. If Ron Paul does not win the primary, Hillary Clinton will be our next president.

How do we properly get this message out to Republican primary voters in a clear cut way? To make them understand that their primary vote against Ron Paul is a vote for Hillary Clinton.

[Spirit of '76]

It's not much, but passing on this article to any Republican voters you know might help:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=35398

[ape]

That was a great read spirit, the author couldn't be more right. I get so frustrated with the GOP for not recognizing that Ron Paul is the only chance they have. It's this ignorance that makes me loathe "conservative" talk radio, they are influencing the electorate and unfortunatley most of their listeners can't see past the BS they spew on a daily basis.

[dircha]

Ok, there has to be a way to properly get the message out to Republicans that the primaries are truly a choice between Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton.

If Ron Paul loses the primary the Republican Party will lose a whole lot of dedicated supporters either to Ron Paul as an independent, to Ron Paul as a write in or to the Libertarian or Constitution candidates...or the Unity08 candidates. Either way Ron Paul supporters will not support the neo-con candidate. No other candidate has the amount of dedicated support that Ron Paul has...not enough to inspire a third party.

Which basically means that a "Ross Perot effect" will hand another presidency to another 8 years of a Clinton presidency.

It's not a matter of speculation, it's a given. If Ron Paul does not win the primary, Hillary Clinton will be our next president.

How do we properly get this message out to Republican primary voters in a clear cut way? To make them understand that their primary vote against Ron Paul is a vote for Hillary Clinton.

This is not a very convincing analysis.

First, Ron Paul has made it very clear that at this time he has no plans to run as a 3rd party candidate.

Second, if Clinton gets the nomination, she will go into the general election with higher negative numbers than really anyone in recent history. Unless a 3rd party candidate runs and pulls away a very large number of Republican votes, Hillary is unelectable. It's as simple as that.

Hillary Clinton can not win a general election if it is a two candidate race. Once the Republican negative ad campaign goes national, she won't stand a chance. You will also see an unprecedented evangelical christian turnout. If there is one thing the religious right can still rally against, it is that woman, and they will turn out like never before to oppose her.

[UtahApocalypse]

This is not a very convincing analysis.

First, Ron Paul has made it very clear that at this time he has no plans to run as a 3rd party candidate.

Second, if Clinton gets the nomination, she will go into the general election with higher negative numbers than really anyone in recent history. Unless a 3rd party candidate runs and pulls away a very large number of Republican votes, Hillary is unelectable. It's as simple as that.

Hillary Clinton can not win a general election if it is a two candidate race. Once the Republican negative ad campaign goes national, she won't stand a chance. You will also see an unprecedented evangelical christian turnout. If there is one thing the religious right can still rally against, it is that woman, and they will turn out like never before to oppose her.


You think that the Republicans can beat Hillary? That's the funniest thing I heard all year. Ron Paul is the absolute 100% only way the GOP stays in the white house.

[Brasil Branco]

This is my opinion:

Any democratic canidate can beat a Republican one hands down- it's that bad. You just have to look at funding, you just have to look at the 2006 elections, and you have to look at Iraq, and another big issue, healthcare.

You can throw gun rights, abortion, and religion issues out the window. In the scope of things, they don't matter to the general public for this election. Those two are going to be the main issues- Romney, McCain, Guiliani- they don't stand a chance. Republicans don't realise that 70% of the population oppose this war, and don't see results, couple this with the state of the economy- a state that people see on a daily basis, and you're not looking at a pretty picture. Moreover, the Republican canidates have so many skeletons in their closet that they're not going to survive the scrutiny of the media in a two person race. If Swift-Boat Veterans took Kerry down a few pegs, what are the 9/11 Firefighters going to do to Guiliani? And let's not forget flip-fopping McCain and Romney.

I'd bet my house and dog that if Ron Paul is not the nominee- any democratic canidate, including and especially Clinton, will be elected.

[ctb619]

I'm pretty certain that Hillary has plenty of skeletons in her closet as well. That being said, I do agree that Ron Paul is the Republican party's best hope for winning the general election.

[FunkBuddha]

I've been telling my wife since the beginning of this Revolution that if Ron Paul wins the nomination, Fox News will have Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton.

Here's my NeoCon test... Ask them who they would vote for between Hillary and RP and watch them self-destruct.

[ape]

I've been telling my wife since the beginning of this Revolution that if Ron Paul wins the nomination, Fox News will have Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton.
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Wouldn't suprise me. Murdoch already donates to hillary.

[wgadget]

Well, then, it will certainly be interesting to hear the "right wing radio talk show hosts" pulling for Hillary.:D

[V-rod]

A lot of you are seem to be forgetting that idiot Bush won re-election, some say by his effective marginalization of Kerry. It would be a close race I would say, if Hillary is in.

[shadowhooch]

I've got to say, I've been experiencing many of the same things.

People are REALLY turned off by Republicans right now.

1) People are SICK of the war. Democrats will OWN this issue.
2) Healthcare. The avg American has little understanding how free market healthcare is best. They understand universal, they get covered. Democrats OWN this issue.

So I agree with Elwar. Republicans are finished if Ron Paul isn't the candidate.

My experiences.
Someone sees my T Shirt and asks "who is Ron Paul?".
I say, he's running for President.
They ask, which party. I say Replican, but he's not your typical Republican.

They have already tuned out and start walking away.:(

It is THAT bad. Even my uncle and his family - lifelong Republicans - are switching to Democrat this year because of Universal Healthcare and Minimum wage.

Ron Paul IS the Republican party's only hope! He can nuetralize the war message of the Dems and counter Universal Healthcare with his ever radiant honesty on freedom and cutting taxes (which is ALWAYS popular).

[Kregener]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/Kregener/bush-clinton-bush-clinton-b.jpg

This is their script.

Any person who doesn't like it can be sent to Gitmo as a "domestic terrorist".

Get used to it.

Just do NOT let them disarm us any more than they already have...

[billv]

That was a great read spirit, the author couldn't be more right. I get so frustrated with the GOP for not recognizing that Ron Paul is the only chance they have. It's this ignorance that makes me loathe "conservative" talk radio, they are influencing the electorate and unfortunatley most of their listeners can't see past the BS they spew on a daily basis.

I have shared the same sentiment for months now. I can't stand "conservative" talk radio because it is more of the same BS over and over and over again. Unfortunately, the listeners cannot think for themselves much of the time.

[Elwar]

Thinking more about this...Hillary Clinton has tried to ride the fence as far as the war goes. She voted for it in the first place, but appeased her Democrats by saying she agreed to force, but didn't support going to war. Then she said that she didn't support pulling out of Iraq, etc...tried to set her self up for the centrists in the general election.

What this will do in a general election against "choose your neo-con" would be to hold her liberal anti-war base but not push away those pro-war folks. Enough to take away from neo-con guy.

With Ron Paul he steps to the left of her on the anti-war side. She will have to play off her role as supporting the war in Iraq in order to try to grab enough folks on the right.

This leaves leftists who don't support the war but wouldn't vote for Ron Paul because of his fiscal conservativism. They would most likely pull a Nader and go with the Green Party...hurting Hillary. The pro-war conservatives would have to decide whether they want a war and socialism, or they want no war and a free market. There is no prominent pro-war conservative third party. They would have to go with Ron Paul.

[hummtide]

Ok, there has to be a way to properly get the message out to Republicans that the primaries are truly a choice between Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton.

If Ron Paul loses the primary the Republican Party will lose a whole lot of dedicated supporters either to Ron Paul as an independent, to Ron Paul as a write in or to the Libertarian or Constitution candidates...or the Unity08 candidates. Either way Ron Paul supporters will not support the neo-con candidate. No other candidate has the amount of dedicated support that Ron Paul has...not enough to inspire a third party.

Which basically means that a "Ross Perot effect" will hand another presidency to another 8 years of a Clinton presidency.

It's not a matter of speculation, it's a given. If Ron Paul does not win the primary, Hillary Clinton will be our next president.

How do we properly get this message out to Republican primary voters in a clear cut way? To make them understand that their primary vote against Ron Paul is a vote for Hillary Clinton.



Duhh dude, I could have told ya that! I myself am apart of that group that has vowed that I SIMPLY WILL NOT VOTE for another necon who shares ANY close similarities to Bush. Ill sell my soul if I have to by voting for Hillary, but I will not damn my soul or my country by voting for another neocon.

[hummtide]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/Kregener/bush-clinton-bush-clinton-b.jpg

This is their script.

Any person who doesn't like it can be sent to Gitmo as a "domestic terrorist".

Get used to it.

Just do NOT let them disarm us any more than they already have...


You left out Chelsea! LOL!

Its sad but a true possibility.. 1988 Bush, 1992 Clinton, 1996 Clinton, 2000 Bush*, 2004 Bush, 2008 Clinton, 2012 Clinton, 2016 Bush, 2020 Bush, 2024 Clinton, 2028Clinton Imagine 44 years of either a Bush or Clinton in the WHite House.. ARGHHH!!