Jeremiah Wright in Context - THEY LIED TO YOU!

[0zzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

I knew the media was bad, but holy shizniz. They virtually lynched a man for no good reason.

[Aratus]

curiously enough, after Rev. Wright talks to Bill Clinton some years back,
President Clinton goes on the airwaves on Sept 11 of 1998 and admits the
truth about the young intern. Rev. Wright did something Billy Graham often does...
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/09/11/reax.whitehouse/

[SonicInfinity]

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[The Good Doctor]

Interesting to say the least. Amazing what context can do for a quote. Looks like Jerimiah Wright was put on Spin Cycle!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

I knew the media was bad, but holy shizniz. They virtually lynched a man for no good reason.

[kyleAF]

I listened to it, and I agree with him. What did FOX say about it? I haven't bothered keeping up with this news.

Violence does beget violence. This is the concept of blowback.

[yongrel]

Reason #23,564 why I don't watch television.

[tomveil]

This whole situation was just media created junk to keep people from talking about issues.

And it's been working for a week.

[icon124]

yep heard about this last week...actually someone who CNN brought on told them there was entire video and the part the media plays wright is just quoting from another man who said it first...but no one seemed to care about that statement and the moved on with the show lol

[TastyWheat]

Taken out of context or not, I actually agreed with most of what the pastor said. My only issue is that Obama said he doesn't agree with those statements (and I think he does) rather than justifying those statements. Obama is lying to save his campaign.

[uncollapse]

wow. amazing. Totally twisted. WOW.

[uncollapse]

he speaks like a spiritual version of RP

[Highland]

bump

[raiha]

Thanks Ozzy. How do they get away with it? And they say the camera never lies!

[Chibioz]

i haven't been following any of this but the comments are crazy on that video

edit: crazy was an understatement

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

I knew the media was bad, but holy shizniz. They virtually lynched a man for no good reason.

How is this not racism? This is as racist as racism gets. His irresponsible statements are as poorly researched as any dogma ever created by his white racist peers.
In my opinion, the Pastor's naive message would not be accepted by the white nation if he were a white Pastor speaking to a white congregation. To the contrary, he would be considered a racist speaking to a congregation of idiots.

[allyinoh]

He is stating that our activities overseas are coming back to "haunt" us however he's talking about the white man, IMHO.

He is a racist but I do have to say that it's not that surprising that the media would show a snippet but not the whole talk in context.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

He is stating that our activities overseas are coming back to "haunt" us however he's talking about the white man, IMHO.

He is a racist but I do have to say that it's not that surprising that the media would show a snippet but not the whole talk in context.

But the media doesn't have time to show the whole talk in context. If we showed all of racism in its complete context, we probably wouldn't view it as racism.
Besides, the issue isn't racism. The issue isn't even about Obama the human being. We are talking about the Constitution and the position of the President. Can Obama attend a racist Church for many years and be forgiven. Sure, Obama the human being can be forgiven; but, Obama the candidate can't be forgiven because such a person if elected President could endanger the Constitution.
We aren't voting for color but for Americans.

[tomveil]

How is this not racism? This is as racist as racism gets. His irresponsible statements are as poorly researched as any dogma ever created by his white racist peers.
In my opinion, the Pastor's naive message would not be accepted by the white nation if he were a white Pastor speaking to a white congregation. To the contrary, he would be considered a racist speaking to a congregation of idiots.

Of course it wouldn't.

Unless he was talking about ZOMG THE GHEYS. Then it'd be fine.

[0zzy]

He may very well be racist, be he speaks more truth in this video than those "holy men" who have political power (aka Hagee - blow up Iran, protect Israel at all cost, etc.)

[Mach]

Same old crap, it's called.......... Politics! You literally shouldn't believe what you see on TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rPQCPwdwHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEy7DX7OLcE

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4467655342219448521&q=orwell

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

He may very well be racist, be he speaks more truth in this video than those "holy men" who have political power (aka Hagee - blow up Iran, protect Israel at all cost, etc.)

Passing the money plates around during each meeting certainly had an impact on what was being said in the sermons of Pastor Jeremiah Wright; so, it certainly didn't pay him well to tell the congregation what they didn't want to hear. In other words, the people sitting in his congregation liked what they were listening to.
I really don't know what "truth" you are speaking about. He is speaking on the levels of scripture, history and politics at the same time.
Of course, Pastor Jeremiah Wright wouldn't dare give a historical sermon on the complexity of the caste systems that existed in Africa along the Ivory Coast before the time slaves there were transported from such a poor existence to other parts of the world. Such a sermon wouldn't deliver the sweet news his congregation wanted to hear but facts that would be bitter to their belly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_Africa
Also, he certainly would not mention that such caste systems still exist in much of Africa today. He also would not mention that slaves in Africa did not share their masters culture for fear his members would walk out on him. How can a slave have a culture or share in their master's culture? Why would we choose to celebrate this culture as a rich heritage while hating the system of the white man who freed us?
No one is going to say "amen" to this sermon.
Why would African slaves choose after their liberation to dress up in the orginal culture of their prior masters in Africa who sold them into the abyss of the world for the price of a single horse?
And, of course, the Pastor wouldn't mention the likes of outcasts and untouchables in the African caste systems and how they were treated even less than the slaves were in that they were considered totally worthless in comparison.
People don't go to Church to think about such issues after all.
On the subject o politics, what does Pastor Jeremiah Wright know about the development of social contract theory? Does he despise the notion of great government because the idea has mainly a white face? What does Jeremiah care about the U.S. Constitution? What does Jeremiah Wright think of the American Enlightenment? Doesn't this fellow put a black face to suffering rather than a universal one?

[Corydoras]

Still doesn't stop Wright from being a commie symp.
http://www.star-telegram.com/elections/story/540908.html

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Still doesn't stop Wright from being a commie symp.
http://www.star-telegram.com/elections/story/540908.html

Our nation was not created to fight against the likes of socialism and communism. To the contrary, at the time of its creation, our nation was fighting against the same type of tyranny that now expresses hatred towards supposed liberals, socialists and communists. To me, the hatred becomes the biggest danger when it is directed towards real flesh and blood. Any one who hates like this should not be considered an American while their political behavior should be considered the greatest threat to the existence of our Constitution.

[Corydoras]

Our nation was not created to fight against the likes of socialism and communism. To the contrary, at the time of its creation, our nation was fighting against the same type of tyranny that now expresses hatred towards supposed liberals, socialists and communists. To me, the hatred becomes the biggest danger when it is directed towards real flesh and blood. Any one who hates like this should not be considered an American while their political behavior should be considered the greatest threat to the existence of our Constitution.

Less obfuscatory prose would be helpful here.

[DAFTEK]

Racist. Just like Osama.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Less obfuscatory prose would be helpful here.

I would rather live in communist China than have to live in a nation of hateful people who naively reject every thing intelligent as socialism. There is more to the political science of the American system than waving a flag and blaming every problem on the damned liberals.

[0zzy]

I would rather live in communist China than have to live in a nation of hateful people who naively reject every thing intelligent as socialism. There is more to the political science of the American system than waving a flag and blaming every problem on the damned liberals.

Indeed. In America you are free to believe what you will, and you shouldn't be hated upon simply because you believe a different political system would be better than another.

[Corydoras]

I would rather live in communist China than have to live in a nation of hateful people who naively reject every thing intelligent as socialism.

You evidently haven't known, or at least known and cared about, people who have lived under and escaped communist governments.
I have.
You have no freaking idea what you're saying.
Your ignorance is very dangerous.

[DealzOnWheelz]

I would rather live in communist China than have to live in a nation of hateful people who naively reject every thing intelligent as socialism. There is more to the political science of the American system than waving a flag and blaming every problem on the damned liberals.

Well unfortunately if you lived in communist China you would be taught that communism is the best thing

AND YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO THINK A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC IS GOOD

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

You evidently haven't known, or at least known and cared about, people who have lived under and escaped communist governments.
I have.
You have no freaking idea what you're saying.
Your ignorance is very dangerous.

How has hatred and violence towards Marxism, socialism and communism created any solutions in Latin America?
Hatred and violence in our nation today is not a result of the liberal influences of socialism, but because we are losing our souls as Americans to tyranny.
While we have prospered in the past during movements towards the civil purpose in the Constitution, our nation today has eroded into tyranny as a result of the last two administrations of Clinton and Bush Jr.. Rather than they create new measures that would have brought our nation even closer to the civil purpose our founding fathers intended for us, the Clinton and Bush Jr. administrations hid foreign agendas in false movements made up of old, leftover legal precedents from the prior Civil Rights and Reagan movements.
While listening carefully to Hillary the lawyer talk about legal precedents today, realize that she has no concern for the civil purpose in the Constitution. She is basically asleep. Because she is unconscious to civil purpose, she is campaigning not for a movement towards it but for a further erosion into legal precedents -- which is all she knows as a lawyer. Certainly she will try to dig up old legal precedents from the Civil Rights movement as her husband did during his administration.
Likewise, candidates Obama and McCann are a waste of our time because neither of their campaigns represent movements back in the direction of the civil purpose in the Constitution but represent a further erosion away from it into a tyranny of legal precedents.
So, as we have seen perpetuated in Latin America, hatred and violence are a waste of time. Instead, we should be as efficient as possible in our diligence to recover our birthrights as Americans. We accomplish this efficiency when we consider hatred and violence as Unamerican characteristics.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Just for the record - I knew the whole story was fishy, and was on Rev. Jeremiah Wright's side way before this thread was opened.

Here's what I said more than a week ago:


What makes Rev. Jeremiah Wright a racist? Can you give me an exact quote please?

In fact, when I opened the Obama advisor: God damn America! thread many of you didn't even know how to respond...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=128443&page=2



Racist. Just like Osama.

And I am still waiting for the quotes, DAFTEK. :)

[Corydoras]

There is no hatred or violence when I say Wright is a commie symp. He merely is one.

Communism has not fared well in South America.

Tell us about the people you have known and cared about who like communism.

Or are you just saying this based on what you read?

It's really astounding to encounter someone who claims to support Ron Paul yet is defending a political system of disregard for personal property rights that makes American eminent domain look almost moderate in comparison.

[acptulsa]

There is no hatred or violence when I say Wright is a commie symp. He merely is one.

Communism has not fared well in South America.

Tell us about the people you have known and cared about who like communism.

Or are you just saying this based on what you read?

It's really astounding to encounter someone who claims to support Ron Paul yet is defending a political system of disregard for personal property rights that makes American eminent domain look almost moderate in comparison.

I don't think anyone here is the least bit fond of either socialism or totalitarianism, which are the two major components of communism. I think the point they are trying to make is that the United States of America in 2008 resembles that remark.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Well unfortunately if you lived in communist China you would be taught that communism is the best thing

AND YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO THINK A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC IS GOOD

We should have faith that our system has developed to be superior to communism. In fact, I'd go so far as to claim that the influence of communism in our nation strengthens our political system rather than weaken it.
So, when comparing the two, how is the American political system superior to the Communist system in China? We know that the civil purpose to dispense collective happiness to every citizen is the same in both nations. So, the uniqueness of the American system must be the structure of its government and how it creates legal measures to dispense the civil purpose to its people.
Whatever the case, tyrannies in our nation should be challenged by sober minds devoid of hatred and violence.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

There is no hatred or violence when I say Wright is a commie symp. He merely is one.

Communism has not fared well in South America.

Tell us about the people you have known and cared about who like communism.

Or are you just saying this based on what you read?

It's really astounding to encounter someone who claims to support Ron Paul yet is defending a political system of disregard for personal property rights that makes American eminent domain look almost moderate in comparison.

My argument is that hatred and violence work against solving our problems in the United States just as such expressions of emotion have worked against solving past world problems. So, why spin our wheels when we know better? Instead, in the recovering of our souls as Americans, we should reject any expression of hatred and violence as foreign characteristics.
Although the ideal of communism should be considered and appreciated, I do agree with you that such governments are irresponsible when they claim to acheive a once and for all civil purpose -- a lasting collective contentment for all citizens. The American system in comparison does not depend on a single movement to acheive a Utopian solution but "forms a more perfect union" with the understanding that our political system functions in a dynamic fashion; where, it erodes back and forth between the civil purpose of the Constitution to that of a tyranny made up of legal precedents.

[DAFTEK]

And I am still waiting for the quotes, DAFTEK. :)

I'm a typical WHITE PERSON ain't i? :p

[New Governor Of Alaska]

http://www.truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com



I'm a typical WHITE PERSON ain't i? :p

Not really, DAFTEK....
Obviously, there is a difference us - I am white too.
You are just too emotional. :)

As I said before - i knew there was something fishy about media reports....
Read the speech, and you will see that Rev. Jeremiah Wright was speaking about US foreign policies:


“I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.”

“We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

“We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

“We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

“We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

“We bombed Qaddafi’s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against the rock.

“We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they’d never get back home.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.

“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

http://www.truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com




Not really, DAFTEK....
Obviously, there is a difference us - I am white too.
You are just too emotional. :)

As I said before - i knew there was something fishy about media reports....
Read the speech, and you will see that Rev. Jeremiah Wright was speaking about US foreign policies:


“I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday did anybody else see or hear him? He was on FOX News, this is a white man, and he was upsetting the FOX News commentators to no end, he pointed out, a white man, an ambassador, he pointed out that what Malcolm X said when he was silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, he said Americas chickens, are coming home to roost.”

“We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

“We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

“We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

“We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

“We bombed Qaddafi’s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against the rock.

“We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they’d never get back home.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.

“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon

There is no perfect system; and, unless you are in the business of growing boneless chickens, there is no such thing as a boneless plate of delicious fried chicken either. So, unlike foreign nations thousands of miles away, we always have unsightly bones to pick over in this nation.
Challenging the past failures by our founding fathers today are our nation's great multi-diverse population. Indeed, as Americans we are privaledged to have become a great, feel good nation with the likes of Pastor Wright and their r-r-rich, away-from-home cultures. These would be the citizens who either have pedigrees, like African Americans who happily celebrate a culture which was once peacefully enslaved rather than violently so; or, better yet, those who have dual citizenships. These latter Americans always have something to fall back on; while, a lot of Americans are born without a significant pedigree whatsoever. These would be the citizens who have just a poor American heritage as their security and foundation.
It is these kinds of people, those who share in the hideous, original culture that killed all those Native Americans, who always fail to see the evils in our nation. Because it is all that they have to depend on, these people are always patriotic to the point of interpreting our nation's history in a positive light. This is the great danger facing Hillary and her plan to create for us a perfect 15 minute society at a cost of billions of trillions.
One solution to this problem has been to give foreigners preference over natural born Americans in regards to acheiving an education at our Universities. Take away the education of these Americans and you take away their power. Another solution implemented by cultured pedigrians has been to give foreigners preference in regards to small business loans.
Other solutions that could be considered would be the scrapping of our present Constitution for that of a foreign one. This would give foreigners Constitutional rights over natural born citizens.