Ron Paul backers tangle with state GOP over caucus reports

[Phantom]

Thanks to soule on the Daily Paul forums (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/43567) for finding this one.

Ron Paul backers tangle with state GOP over caucus reports

By Jo Mannies
03/21/2008 12:18 pm

Debbie Hopper, national field director for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas (and who is continuing his campaign for president), called Thursday to recount a contentious encounter that she had just had with Missouri Republican Party executive director Jared Craighead.

Hopper said that she had gone to the state party’s headquarters in Jefferson City on Thursday to look at the reports turned in by the various sites’ chairmen from last Saturday’s caucuses.

Craighead refused to allow Hopper to look at the reports. Hopper noted that next Tuesday is the deadline for challenging the reports’ content, or the proposed delegates approved at the caucuses and then OKed by the state party.

Hopper said she’s concerned that the state Republican Party is out to disenfranchise the Paul delegates selected at those caucuses, or that some of the caucus chairmen.

To briefly recap

You can read the rest of the article here (http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2008/03/ron-paul-backers-tangle-with-state-gop-over-caucus-reports/)

[Banana]

Wow, this sucks.


Everyone, this is why you got to do your homework and know your party's rules in and out. Debbie clearly did her part, and is going to need all help she can get.

BTW, this may be helpful in upcoming conventions (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=128657). Make sure you have all the evidence you can use to help Debbie make her case should worse come to worse and they outright refuse to show the list and present a doctored list at state convention.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Wow, the rotten GOP will do anything to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters to give McCain a coronation. They won't risk letting any inconvenient ruckus at the convention embarrass their Dear Leader (and yes, I almost mean that in the North Korean sense, the way they're acting). Expect them to try to cook up some BS to disqualify Ron Paul's 50-100 national delegates to the convention as well. I can totally see it happening.

Unfortunately, these conventions are held to serve as an hour or two of free air time for the two parties. They are carefully orchestrated events for the mass media, and will be treated as such. The better era when they actually existed to debate and select candidates is as dead and gone as a truly conservative Republican Party.

[TruthAtLast]

so what's the plan?

[Akus]

:mad:

[ItsTime]

pen then ballot then....

[ARealConservative]

So to summarize, The Show Me State won't show caucus reports before the deadline to challenge elapses.

how much more do people need to see to wake up?

[ronpaulhawaii]

So to summarize, The Show Me State won't show caucus reports before the deadline to challenge elapses.

how much more do people need to see to wake up?

The motto is quite ironic :mad:

[hillbilly123069]

as it is stopping the corrupt from changing or violating them without repercussions or consequences!

[Banana]

as it is stopping the corrupt from changing or violating them without repercussions or consequences!

Well, that's why everyone has to know the rules. In the end, they must be able to show that 1) they have the hard evidences (e.g. minutes in their possessions, 2) shown that they've already objected to those through the proper channels.

I am reasonably sure Debbie is working hard with people in MO to see this through. But they don't need to; they just need to make sure they get the minutes of their own caucus, ensure this is an official document, and be prepared to bring it to the next convention.

The worst thing that can happen is this will be replay of Louisiana, which will only add more to the staggering weight under GOP's legitimacy and hastening its collapse.

Again, learn the rules and play the game.

[torchbearer]

This is why we must take those central committee seats. asap.
we need 50 plans of action for each state.

[Sandra]

The MoGop Chairman has said that he is responsible for the holdup. Is this on record?

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

This is why we must take those central committee seats. asap.
we need 50 plans of action for each state.

+1

[pepperpete1]

The MoGop Chairman has said that he is responsible for the holdup. Is this on record?

I did not read where the chairman Doug Russell said that he was responsible for the hold-up. In my reasearch while looking for MOGOP rules I did find this:

http://www.mogop.org/convention/local_certofelection_CD_delegate.pdf

It clearly states that the site chairmen are to send the COEs to Doug Russell as soon as the caucus adjourns. How long does it take to get to the Capital from within the state???

Maybe she has the information by now. Anybody have an update?

[kirkblitz]

damn thats f'ed up. The State gop's (MO, LA) are more corrupt then the darn Washington bureaucrats.

[GunnyFreedom]

This is why we must take those central committee seats. asap.
we need 50 plans of action for each state.

I want to help with this.

[Hook]

Too bad we don't have a cousin Vinnie to go have a talk with him.

[BIG_J]

wrong forum!

[wowabunga]

I live 20 mintues from the State Capitol in Jefferson City.... let me now if you'd like me to show up and picket their office. I have a great smile and will chit chat with everyone and anyone. Translated: maybe we need to show up and get some media attention. At least record the effort on YouTube...

[Banana]

wowabunga-

That's great you are willing to take up the ball. I'd just encourage you to check in with Debbie just so we don't botch whatever she was planning on.

[wowabunga]

I just got wind of this situation... I'm cleaning up the porch tomorrow.... not going anywhere untill I'm asked.

[Banana]

I take it it's all under control and they've documented everything?

[wowabunga]

I get my news from the web... I get the best teaching from the comments sections. There are 3 pages full of great comments from the newspaper article.

[nc4rp]

i called missouri GoP today and the guy answered the phone all intimidating.

i politely inquired if there is a list of counties that have not turned in their results, and he gruffly replied "they are still processing the results"; they dont know which counties have or have not turned in their results, nor will they until they are done processing the results.

The last day to challenge the results will be soon. It appears they are doin the ole "drag it out until its too late" scam and plan to just "get away with it"

we all know they will be fudging the results and will attempt to "stealth certify" them before they can be challeneged by the Paul campain.

the whole thing stinks to high heaven of corruption

my question is does the GoP KNOW that they have been infiltrated by cheating neocons, or are they walking around all blind and dumb to the fact that their party was hijacked.

have you seen the look in the eyes of the N.H. sec of state in Bev Harris' video?

he reminds me of cheney and the whole "fuck the people" attitude. these are the hijackers, the neo-cons, the thieves of liberty and of america, hiding in the shadows in top-level positions in the GoP and government. jeesh that red pill is lookin better all the time. too bad im allergic.

[libertythor]

Good God! (sorry for the blasphemy to those who don't like the expression...)


Whatever happens...don't give up! That is what they want you to do. Keep it up. :) A lot is at stake, and if you think about it....it will affect the whole world. Keep up the activism. Read the thread with the Spanish title. LOL I placed it to piss a few off so that they would open it and read it. Stay optimistic.

¡Nunca seremos derrotados! :D

[kirkblitz]

my question is does the GoP KNOW that they have been infiltrated by cheating neocons, or are they walking around all blind and dumb to the fact that their party was hijacked.

have you seen the look in the eyes of the N.H. sec of state in Bev Harris' video?


they dont give a shit thats why.

[devil21]

If they get away with this in MO they will try the same tactic in every state and no one other than us and them will be the wiser. This can NOT stand! What can the rest of us do to help??

[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

Arent they practically forcing us to challenge the results if we cant review them?

Maybe phrase it to that way, and that we need to see them early Monday or we will protest the results by the end of the day Monday or Tuesday.

[torchbearer]

Arent they practically forcing us to challenge the results if we cant review them?

Maybe phrase it to that way, and that we need to see them early Monday or we will protest the results by the end of the day Monday or Tuesday.

+1, do this.

[Banana]

+2.

Maybe send an email to Debbie and find what's on the to-do list as well.

[Hook]

Why not formally challenge the results now? Then they will have to submit the results as evidence and then you can look at them.
If there are no problems, then just rescind your challenge.

[Banana]

Hook, that's what ronpaulblogsdotcom suggested. :)

[pepperpete1]

While researching this I found that if a person is found to have brought frivalous charges they can be fined and/or jailed. I wouldn't bring any charges at this time.
It would be cool to walk in with an attorney to ask to see the results and infer that charges would be brought if the reports are not made available to see. Sometimes this will work.

[pepperpete1]

Each county chairman according to:
http://www.mogop.org/convention/caucuses.html is instructed to keep a copy of the results, etc.
I know there are something like 117 counties, but if a person were to call each chairman they would be able to get the results also.
That way one would know if the results were altered or not.

[fedup100]

I say we all jump in in every county and state and fight it, rig it, steal it, what ever it takes.......take the effin election and the party and the process for our use and drum the rest of them back to the stone ages.

[PaulineDisciple]

I am part of the Kansas City (Jackson County) Ron Paul group, and we are deciding whether or not we need to file an injunction to have the deadline for contesting the results extended until at least a few days after the results are released. I have a vested interest since I am one of the delegates submitted to the Missouri GOP. Any help with the wording of this injunction would be appreciated since we are not all lawyers here.

Thanks.

[Sandra]

If jail and fines are the consequences of frivolous charges, what are the consequences of falsifying vote results. It's time to put the criminals where they belong!

[pepperpete1]

If jail and fines are the consequences of frivolous charges, what are the consequences of falsifying vote results. It's time to put the criminals where they belong!

As per Missouri election laws:
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C100-199/1150000631.HTM

States that the punishment is not more than 5 years imprisonment and a $2,500.00 fine.

These election officials have not really been brought to task regarding their flagrant disregard of the laws. They are not the "little gods" that they think they are. They really need to take their positions and duties more seriously.

[Sandra]

Rules and reform are the one thing Dems have kicked our asses on. At least the DNC levels the consequences at states that break their rules. The RNC should follow suit.

[pepperpete1]

Rules and reform are the one thing Dems have kicked our asses on. At least the DNC levels the consequences at states that break their rules. The RNC should follow suit.

Sandra, if you are referring to the delegates that MI AND FL were penalized by the DNC, the RNC also penalized them with a removal of 50% of their delegates. It is not as harsh as the DNC, I admit, but the RNC did institute a penalty.

I feel that the individual party member who whether through misguided "loyalty" just does whatever they feel is necessary to obtain the end result they are looking for in a caucus, primary, etc., should be called on for their breaking the rules and the law. That is what it is going to take, and maybe more than once.
When I googled election rules and ethics for MO, the hits that came up show that MO may have just as much finangling of the rules and laws as Louisiana. I am sure if we did a search for every state there would be problems there also. How did it get to be so bad?

Voters like myself who wear rose colored glasses and believed that no one would do such a thing, were/are unaware. Now how to make it a national news issue?

Coming from Ron Paul supporters it will just appear to be a bunch of sour grapes.

I guess we just start at the local level and work from there. (As if a media black out wasn't enough!)

[Debbie Hopper]

Pepperpete1 - this has nothing to do with Missouri Revised Statutes and election laws. These are party elections. The rules governing Missouri caucuses are made by the party not by the Missouri State Legislature. There is no legal recourse because the GOP isn't breaking a "law."

What they ARE doing is grossly violating their own rules (party "laws") that are supposed to provide for a fair and open caucus process that's welcoming to even the newcomer.

This is the party machine at work, and the way to beat the party machine is to replace them with faithful Republicans of principle whose loyalty is to the Constitution, and who will only support candidates whose loyalty is also to the Constitution.

In Missouri, that means filing to stand election to be the Committeeman or Committeewoman for your township or ward. The last day to file is next Tuesday, March 25th.

If you need more info, please let me know.

[jabrownie]

Debbie: While this sounds like an internal party decision, that does not necessarily mean that it can't be challenged legally. For example, if you remember, some of Hillary's allies challenged the democratic party's decision about whether or not they could hold caucus events in some of the casinos and the case fast tracked to the supreme court. While the court there did say that it was more difficult to challenge party decisions as they related to caucus procedures, as compared to primary procedures, they didn't forclude the ability to do so. Worst case scenario, the judge tosses the case; but even if that happens it's possible that simply filing for an injunction might put some pressure/publicity on the chair to release the documents.

As for the 'frivalous' question raised, I could see how it might be considered frivalous to challenge the papers having never seen them, however, I can't imagine there would be anything wrong with seeking an injunction to get the time/ability to see them.

[joemiller]

Thanks to soule on the Daily Paul forums (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/43567) for finding this one.

Ron Paul backers tangle with state GOP over caucus reports

By Jo Mannies
03/21/2008 12:18 pm

Debbie Hopper, national field director for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas (and who is continuing his campaign for president), called Thursday to recount a contentious encounter that she had just had with Missouri Republican Party executive director Jared Craighead.

Hopper said that she had gone to the state party’s headquarters in Jefferson City on Thursday to look at the reports turned in by the various sites’ chairmen from last Saturday’s caucuses.

Craighead refused to allow Hopper to look at the reports. Hopper noted that next Tuesday is the deadline for challenging the reports’ content, or the proposed delegates approved at the caucuses and then OKed by the state party.

Hopper said she’s concerned that the state Republican Party is out to disenfranchise the Paul delegates selected at those caucuses, or that some of the caucus chairmen.

To briefly recap

You can read the rest of the article here (http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2008/03/ron-paul-backers-tangle-with-state-gop-over-caucus-reports/)

If Ms. Hopper is prevented from examining the reports turned in by the various sites’ chairmen from last Saturday’s caucuses, she must challenge them all, as a matter of record. Challenge first, before the deadline, so a record is made and a resolution sought.

joe

[Knightskye]

"I ain't showin' you nothin' " state.

[Hook]

Again, we need someone's cousin Vinnie to go have a little chat with the Chairman.

[pepperpete1]

If Ms. Hopper is prevented from examining the reports turned in by the various sites’ chairmen from last Saturday’s caucuses, she must challenge them all, as a matter of record. Challenge first, before the deadline, so a record is made and a resolution sought.

joe

Nice summation jabrownie. I understand that they are breaking party rules, those results were to be in by March 18th.I also understand that any challenges are to be brought to the credentialing committee, so if you were to challenge the reports to them with the explanation of why you are doing so at this time, it may be supportable.

How about requesting info from random county caucus chairmen that they have on their copies and then comparing the data to the ones that finally get shown to the public. See if there are any discrepancies.

Just trying to be of help here, and not step on anyone's toes. It must be really frustrating on the front lines to have to deal with this. I am not happy to hear of it going on anywhere. Good luck and please keep us apprised of the situation.

[Banana]

If Ms. Hopper is prevented from examining the reports turned in by the various sites’ chairmen from last Saturday’s caucuses, she must challenge them all, as a matter of record. Challenge first, before the deadline, so a record is made and a resolution sought.

joe

On surface, this is very true. Failure to object is fatal to your defense.

I am sure Debbie already know that and is doing everything she's can to challenge this or at least come up with a smoking gun to bring in the convention.

Does anyone who are familiar with the party rules know if such challenge based on failure to reveal the results can be considered?

[wowabunga]

"I ain't showin' you nothin' " state.

My my my.... what a sad/funny way of saying things. Is it ok to borrow that phrase as it sure says it all :eek:

[SteveMartin]

We don't have time to take back this party.

I am assuming some of you are beginning to understand why...

RUN INDY RON!!!

[Sandra]

Just a quick question concerning caucuses.... is McCain being credited with delegates from caucuses that are being challenged? If so, then they have to be subtracted until a decision is reached by the RNC. Challenged states can't go the national convention. No states= no delegates.

[pepperpete1]

Just a quick question concerning caucuses.... is McCain being credited with delegates from caucuses that are being challenged? If so, then they have to be subtracted until a decision is reached by the RNC. Challenged states can't go the national convention. No states= no delegates.

Good point!

[MozoVote]

The establishment party hands will be disappointed if they can't go to Minneapolis... But the Paulites don't know what they're missing, if they contest the delegation and Missouri and Louisiana are not seated. They really should be the tougher "bloc"

[rePAULblican]

So what is the latest news about the sitaution in Missouri? Tomorrow is the deadline and I was wondering if anything new is going on?

[soapmistress]

I was wondering too. Has anyone called?

[Phantom]

Posted on the Daily Paul forum (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/43928) by meekandmild

Copy of letter to MO Ron Paul supporters

Debbie Hopper just called me and we have our answer from the Missouri GOP. The Ron Paul Presidential Campaign will not be provided access to records to properly contest and file challenges, as set forth in the Rules of the Missouri Republican Party 2008 Call to Convention, page 4, Paragraph entitled 'Contest of Delegates and Alternates'.

As you know, that means that each of you and your delegates will be provided no recourse under the GOP Rules to challenge any action taken by the members at your local caucuses. As you may also know, Jared Craighead, Executive Director of the GOP, has made it crystal clear that the GOP will fight back: 'party leaders will be examining the lists of caucus-goers, and of the newly elected state delegates', and indicated 'that some of the Paul activists involved in the caucuses....should be tossed off.' Ref: http://www.stltoday.com/s... (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/2953AF413B298DD2862574100013EE2D?OpenDocument)

So, there we have it. The Missouri GOP has broken its own Rules and will continue its corrupt behavior unless......we TAKE BACK OUR PARTY and OUR RIGHTS! http://www.ronpaul2008.co.... (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/states/missouri/stay-involved/) See you at the County Clerk's Office.

[kirkblitz]

wow unfucken believable. Time to get out the molotov cocktails.

[Sandra]

Contest it directly to the RNC, reason: non access to records. The RNC will have to remedy the situation nationwide dealing with these idiots that change the rules the last minute and think it's OK. This activity is killing off the Republican party in most states and now the RNC is broke.

[MozoVote]

I am so totally not surprised to hear this. :rolleyes:

[Hook]

So sue them to not get any state funding because they are violating their own rules. Make sure to get a Democrat judge.

[pepperpete1]

So is the campaign going to follow what recourses are available to them to contest the breaking of the party rules?

It amazes me that the old time GOPers are having such a fit about the initiative of the RP people. Especially when they espouse that it will make no difference at the national convention. If it won't make any difference, then why are they so much in a turmoil and breaking the party rules to throw road blocks in our path. Something tells me that, if they are willing to give up their delegates so that we do not get any, there really must be something to fear from the followers of Ron Paul's message. (Like maybe we can get Ron the nomination)

I feel that something has to be done about the unethical way that some of the states have run their caucuses and primaries. This should not be tolerated by any American no matter which candidate or party you favor.

[RP4EVER]

They see us as a threat now. Theyre scared; we've stayed the course when they forced the rest out.

[slacker921]

They fear that if there are more than xx Paul supporters at the National Convention then there will be much embarrassment in front of the media. The Paul supporters will boo McCain during his speech, they will cheer loudly for Paul when he speaks, and there just might be a fistfight or two for the cameras.
They don't fear Paul winning, but they fear that "unity" will not be shown and that will start the unraveling. That.. and they know McCain is a loser and just might blow it before the convention That little gaffe he did last week (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fWf7w--TwyU) would have put Clinton out of the race if she'd said it..

[wowabunga]

I feel that something has to be done about the unethical way that some of the states have run their caucuses and primaries.


The sandbox belongs to the GOP... they make the rules. May I point out two opportunities that are crossing paths:

- The GOP is not going to give up power... they are now on the defensive.
- The public is waking up... they are hungry for the truth.

[devil21]

Can the results just be formally contested without seeing them? If the state GOP is so hell-bent to not show the records then clearly they are going to monkey around with them. Why not file a dispute and let it be worked out,

[torchbearer]

The sandbox belongs to the GOP... they make the rules. May I point out two opportunities that are crossing paths:

- The GOP is not going to give up power... they are now on the defensive.
- The public is waking up... they are hungry for the truth.

whoever owns the positions owns the sandbox, that is why we must seek those positions.

[ARealConservative]

We don't have time to take back this party.

I am assuming some of you are beginning to understand why...

RUN INDY RON!!!

This is about the dumbest thing you have ever wrote in here - and that is saying alot.

The republican party would love nothing more then to have people listen to your nonsense. I'm starting to wonder if you aren't just a troll anyway.

You think these games are bad? Good luck with ballot access as a third party candidate. Good luck being in the debates.

In conclusion, The Jerk was a good movie - but you are taking the role too far.

[devil21]

The media is starting to pick up on it.

http://www.wallstreet-online.de/nachrichten/nachricht/2314348.html

[Banana]

The media is starting to pick up on it.

http://www.wallstreet-online.de/nachrichten/nachricht/2314348.html

Erm, I think they're just parroting PCC's press official.... And I don't know if this is actually on mainstream publication...

[TruthAtLast]

whoever owns the positions owns the sandbox, that is why we must seek those positions.

+1

[kirkblitz]

UPDATE!!!!

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080325006318&newsLang=en


ARLINGTON, Va.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The Ron Paul campaign has been receiving reports that Missouri GOP rules have been violated in the set-up and execution of several county Republican caucuses. Ron Paul supporters in Missouri have been attending their county caucuses and electing Ron Paul delegates to be seated at the Missouri Republican State Convention. However, there are concerns that many Ron Paul delegates to the Missouri Republican State Convention were disenfranchised and not properly seated.

On Thursday, March 20, campaign field director Debbie Hopper visited the Missouri state GOP headquarters to request a copy of the records needed to obtain the information to file challenges. She was told in front of witnesses that she could not view the report. To obtain the needed information, Ms. Hopper then used the contact information of county chairs listed on the state GOP website. On Saturday, March 22, the webpage containing their contact information had been removed.

The Paul campaign believes that a handful of GOP officials are playing machine politics and breaking their own rules to disenfranchise Paul supporters.

“The Republican party is in trouble and needs more participants in 2008, not less,” said campaign manager Lew Moore. “It makes no sense for Missouri party leaders to exclude and marginalize the new activists they badly need to work at every level this fall.”

Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul’s supporters have been highly successful in several Missouri counties. In St. Charles County (suburb of St. Louis), Paul supporters filled 241 of the 274 country Republican delegate slots. In Jackson County (Kansas City), Paul supporters filled 162 of 187 delegate slots. And in Greene County (Springfield), Paul supporters filled 72 of 112 delegate slots.



Is this a challenge?

[wowabunga]

whoever owns the positions owns the sandbox, that is why we must seek those positions.

I applaud ( and support ) our up coming crop of delegates and folks like yourself Mr Sanders who seek public office... hats off. A warm handshake and huge pat on the back to you for your courage, I'll deliver it in person next time I'm down your way.

In other news.... it is a great concern (and I think it's a major reason we find ourselves being treated as we've been) as I worry how we as a Revolution have put "education" on the back burner and have yet to get the general populace behind us. Here in Missouri we "had" great stories of success pouring in last week and the grey clouds for a period of time broke and the warm rays of hope shone brightly. Unfortunately, until we wake up the majority of the citizens statewide we'll be subject to the GOP's whims. There is NO pressure/outcry from the general public on this trickery. I interacted with 20 plus Missouri citizens today and not a single person had prior news of the weeks events... Hell folks, the local paper has had zero coverage of the situation at hand... zip... not a peep. Thus said there's very little for the GOP to worry about as they rest their heads tonight.

Remember who owns the land under the sandboxes... WE THE PEOPLE. Not we the president, nor the Congress, nor the GOP or the delegates. The good news, the very good news is that the average Sue Shanikqa Harry and Larry that I bump into on a daily basis.......... THEY KNOW something is wrong, and they are wanting REAL ANSWERS...... THE TRUTH.

But thanks to our lovely media blackout they are getting but 3 choices... all imitators or impostors. Time to BECOME the MEDIA.

[wgadget]

Very little for the GOP to worry about? How about voter TURNOUT, where the Dems outnumber the Pubs by about 5 to 1?

We all need to brainstorm ways to convert at least a part of the establishment over to become Ron Paul supporters. It may be our last best chance.

[wowabunga]

Very little for the GOP to worry about? How about voter TURNOUT, where the Dems outnumber the Pubs by about 5 to 1?

We all need to brainstorm ways to convert at least a part of the establishment over to become Ron Paul supporters. It may be our last best chance.



5 to 1..... Ain't It the Truth....!

And yes... I second the motion to brainstorm and educate the populace.

I'll even gamble that multitudes of "non-voters" are feeling the pinch...

.

[MoRepub]

Here's another update:


http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10652


"Handful" of Missouri GOP delegates challenged

Jared Craighead, executive director of the Missouri Republican Party, says a "handful" of challenges have been filed against delegates selected by the party's county-level caucuses held March 15.

Prime Buzz has reported that a large number of Rep. Ron Paul supporters showed up at some caucuses, dominating the election of county-level delegates to the congressional district and state conventions scheduled for April and May.

Some Paul supporters have claimed over the last week that the state GOP wasn't sharing delegate lists, making challenges -- which had to be filed by 5:00 p.m. Tuesday -- difficult.

But Craighead said he was able to provide a list to the Paul campaign late Monday.

He doesn't know if the challenges filed Tuesday involve Paul delegates. It'll take a few weeks to sort out the complaints; the congressional district caucuses (which will choose three delegates to the Republican National Convention) meet April 19.

The state convention is in late May. Twenty-eight delegates to the national convention will be picked.

All delegates, under current party rules, must cast their votes for Sen. John McCain on the first ballot.

There was no answer at the Paul headquarters when we called. A local Paul delegate did not return a phone call.