The CIA--Dalai Lama connection

[New Governor Of Alaska]

The CIA--Dalai Lama connection goes way back, it was first made public by the Chicago Tribune some 10 years ago.....

Google search - Dalai Lama and the CIA (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cia+dalai+lama)

Bush and Congress Honor Dalai Lama
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/10/18/world/18lama.600.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/washington/18lama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[New Governor Of Alaska]

QUOTE:
Professor Wikler says that the CIA helped the Dalai Lama escape from Lhasa to India. He also gives the name of a CIA man "on the ground," Tony Poe.

In his Orphans of the Cold War (Public Affairs Press, 1999), John Kenneth Knaus, one of the CIA men who directed the agency's ill-fated operations in Tibet, describes this event minutely. There were no CIA men on the ground (indeed there never were in Tibet) and the agency learned of the Dalai Lama's escape "only some days after his flight" from two CIA-trained Tibetans "who had radio communication only with the CIA in Washington." The CIA otherwise had nothing to do with the flight, although it was kept in touch by radio.

In The Dragon in the Land of Snows (Pimlico Press, 1999), the historian Tsering Shakya also gives a detailed account of the escape, and concludes, "It is clear that the CIA was not involved in organising the Dalai Lama's escape as alleged by the Chinese and some Western writers."

http://www.nybooks.com/images/logo-small.gif

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/391

[raiha]

Well I'm delighted to hear it. CIA did something useful for once. I don't think the picture of the Dalai Lama and Dubya is particularly significant. The DL, as do all Buddhists, attempts to befriend all living beings. Their raison d'etre is a philosophy of universal friendliness. It does not mean you dispense with your discriminating faculties. You merely hope, that by relating with humans of toxic character on the basis of what they have got going for them as opposed to what they haven't, you will help them become more aligned with goodness.

It recognizes that all human beings embody both good and evil. It recognizes that our association with all beings can either enhance goodness or activate unskilifulness, (according to the mental state you happen to be in yourself.)

I was at a candlelight vigil last night with a whole bunch of Tibetans. I marvelled at their beauty, demeanour, purity of movements and attitude.

I know from my readings the Dalai Lama is a good man. If ever he did something unskilful, he would be transparent about it. You cannot practice Dharma as much as he does and be a rogue. What would be the point?

I would use any help i could get if i had a bunch of Chinese hordes at my heels....

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Raiha, why do you think the CIA is involved in Tibet affairs? Do you think the CIA cares about culture of Tibet, its history?.... What's the deal here?

[thuja]

what's th thing with persecuting the falun gong people in china for mere exercise form and pleasant thought recommendations?

[Aratus]

there are three solumn stars on the cia wall that are circa 1951
http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/ray.washingtonpost.cia91897.html
and they have an important relevance to this ancient alliance...

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Arrest warrants issued against 24 criminal suspects in Tibet riot
2008-03-20
LHASA, March 20 (Xinhua) -- Lhasa Municipal People's Procuratorate on Wednesday released arrest warrants against 24 criminal suspects engaged in the Lhasa riot, an official said on Thursday.
The 24 are accused to have endangered national security and committed severe criminal offense in the riot on Friday, said Xie Yanjun, deputy procurator of Lhasa City People's Procuratorate.
The riot "disturbed social order and jeopardized people's lives and properties and the procuratorate will carry out its actions based on fact and the law," Xie said.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/20/content_7829033.htm

Great job, China!

Let the Chinese authorities investigate this matter so we can learn who was really behind these riots. I wonder what country would want to blackmail China just before the upcoming Olympics?....
I just cannot wait to see the results of the investigation....


The Dalai Lama monks(?) riot in the capital of Tibet:

http://www.sciam.com/media/externalnews/2008-03-15T081724Z_01_NOOTR_RTRIDSP_2_TECH-CHINA-TIBET-INTERNET-DC.jpg

http://media.ft.com/cms/d6b12574-f406-11dc-aaad-0000779fd2ac.jpg

http://media.ft.com/cms/c8f99722-f406-11dc-aaad-0000779fd2ac.jpg

http://media.ft.com/cms/6ce7b142-f42b-11dc-aaad-0000779fd2ac.jpg

[HOLLYWOOD]

I wonder if CONGRESS will still vote China "Most Favored Nation"?


Politicians have destroyed and/or SOLDOUT Americans to Wealth, Power, and Control.

Just shows you what a SCAM the US Federal Government truly is; They "Wig-Out" on BURMA, with National Condemnation, Sanctions, UN denouncements, yotta yotta... yet, where's the same actions and public actions against China and their Oppression and deaths against the Tibetians/Nepal...etc?

Yeah, right, Oh, that's right, we have exceptions to our OWN rules

US Federal Hypocrites - A Prefect Example of Government BEFORE People no matter where they may be located...

[Flash]

China is 1984. They're a police state and still occupy Tibet illegally. The 'etlites' aren't planning on a free Tibet, they don't want their trade with China to be hurt.

I was talking to some dumb Chinese Nationalist over Youtube where he was trying to show me all the similiarities between Tibet and China. I argued that it didn't matter how many culture similiarties they have, China had no right to take over a soverign nation.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

China is 1984. They're a police state and still occupy Tibet illegally.........

Oh... sure, sure.... and guess WHO is working day and night to spread freedom and democracy in China and Tibet - it's the CIA.



The New York Times Interview with the Dalai Lama:

Source: The New York Times, 11/28/1993


Q: In Tibet, from the late 1950's until the early 1970's, one of your brothers was involved in leading a guerrilla movement against the Chinese. In fact, the guerrillas were supported by the C.I.A. How did you feel about that?

A: I'm always against violence. But the Tibetan guerrillas were very dedicated people. They were willing to sacrifice their own lives for the Tibetan nation. And they found a way to receive help from the C.I.A. Now, the C.I.A.'s motivation for helping was entirely political. They did not help out of genuine sympathy, not out of support for a just cause. That was not very healthy.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/tib/nytimes.htm

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Well, still no comment from poster Flash......


Here's another good source. This book proves with facts that Dalai Lama is a CIA operative:

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/concia.jpg

The CIA's Secret War in Tibet takes readers from training camps in the Colorado Rockies to the scene of clandestine operations in the Himalayas, chronicling the agency's help in securing the Dalai Lama's safe passage to India and subsequent initiation of one of the most remote covert campaigns of the Cold War. Conboy and Morrison provide previously unreported details about secret missions undertaken in extraordinarily harsh conditions. Their book greatly expands on previous memoirs by CIA officials by putting virtually every major agency participant on record with details of clandestine operations. It also calls as witnesses the people who managed and fought in the program--including Tibetan and Nepalese agents, Indian intelligence officers, and even mission aircrews.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/concia.html

[Andrew-Austin]

I don't see what your proving, other then the fact that the CIA is trying to take a stab at China - and in the past they thought it best to attempt using the Dalai Lama.

Sorry I'm not going to read that book, but the paragraph you posted doesn't prove jack.


Well I'm delighted to hear it. CIA did something useful for once.

What you mean trying to stab at China by assisting Tibet? I suppose I agree, though I'm sure they don't have the best of intentions.


I don't think the picture of the Dalai Lama and Dubya is particularly significant.

Just like the picture of the DL with a Nazi that he posted earlier doesn't imply anything to be alarmed about.

Heck, the CIA certainly wasn't supportive of the Nazi's. So which is it? Was the DL in league with the Nazi's or an agent of the CIA. lol



Let the Chinese authorities investigate this matter so we can learn who was really behind these riots.

So your listening to Chinese communist propaganda, just for the sake of being against the CIA's supposed actions. Not a wise move to find out the truth.

I don't even know where to start...
The Dalai Lama has
1. Condemned the actions of the rioters
2. Consitently stated he does not necesarily want Tibet seperate from China, he just wants China to stop being facsist dicks that ruin Tibetan culture.
3. The young Tibetanese rebels have stated how they know the Dalai Lama does not approve of their violent methods.
4. The Dalai Lama has even gone as far to threaten resigning his post as leader of Tibet, if the violence continues.
5. He has offered to talk with China and reach a middle way, but of course the Chinese government refused.

I can ammuse the possibility of the CIA instigating the young Tibetanese rebels, but also I can easily see how China could manufacture this violence in order to pursue their own means. China's treatment of Tibet is globally embarassing and they know it, and they would do anything to justify opression of Tibet especially with the Olympics coming up.

[Aratus]

The DL, as do all Buddhists, attempts to befriend all living beings. Their raison d'etre is a philosophy of universal friendliness. It does not mean you dispense with your discriminating faculties. You merely hope, that by relating with humans of toxic character on the basis of what they have got going for them as opposed to what they haven't, you will help them become more aligned with goodness.

It recognizes that all human beings embody both good and evil. It recognizes that our association with all beings can either enhance goodness or activate unskilifulness, (according to the mental state you happen to be in yourself.)

I was at a candlelight vigil last night with a whole bunch of Tibetans. I marvelled at their beauty, demeanour, purity of movements and attitude.

I know from my readings the Dalai Lama is a good man. If ever he did something unskilful, he would be transparent about it. You cannot practice Dharma as much as he does and be a rogue. What would be the point?



he's asking his people not to be violent...

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Sorry I'm not going to read that book, but the paragraph you posted doesn't prove jack.


Why are you not going to read the book? What do you mean?

OK... Can you read the articles I linked to on the first page of this thread?

[Andrew-Austin]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/washington/18lama.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Okay this one in the first post.


But the Dalai Lama said he felt “a sense of regret” over the sharp tensions with China unleashed by his private meeting on Tuesday with Mr. Bush and by the Congressional Gold Medal conferred on him in the ornate Capitol Rotunda.

In gentle language and conciliatory tones, he congratulated China on its dynamic economic growth and recognized its rising role on the world stage, but also gently urged it to embrace “transparency, the rule of law and freedom of information.”

The 72-year-old spiritual leader made clear that “I’m not seeking independence” from China, something that is anathema to Beijing. Nor, he said, would he use any future agreement with China “as a steppingstone for Tibet’s independence.”

What he wanted, he said, was “meaningful autonomy for Tibet.”

^Goes along nicely with what I've been saying in all of the Tibet threads.




He (The Dalai Lama) was also lauded by the Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel, a fellow Nobel Peace Prize laureate and a previous winner of the Congressional Gold Medal, which is cast in the image of the recipient.

OMGZ he is a nazi!

Well if I had to presume something was malevolent about this... I'd say it sounds like the US government or CIA or whatever, is trying to embarrass / put pressure on China by highlighting China's treatment of Tibet. So?




http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_7829033.htm

No I don't feel the need to comment on this... Its called propaganda.


The New York Times Interview with the Dalai Lama:

Source: The New York Times, 11/28/1993


Q: In Tibet, from the late 1950's until the early 1970's, one of your brothers was involved in leading a guerrilla movement against the Chinese. In fact, the guerrillas were supported by the C.I.A. How did you feel about that?

A: I'm always against violence. But the Tibetan guerrillas were very dedicated people. They were willing to sacrifice their own lives for the Tibetan nation. And they found a way to receive help from the C.I.A. Now, the C.I.A.'s motivation for helping was entirely political. They did not help out of genuine sympathy, not out of support for a just cause. That was not very healthy.

Thats pretty interesting, but I don't see what your trying to fault the DL for.

[Flash]

New Gov:

You seemingly forgot to bold this part of Dalai Lama's quote:


Now, the C.I.A.'s motivation for helping was entirely political. They did not help out of genuine sympathy, not out of support for a just cause. That was not very healthy.

He understands the CIA just wants to hurt China.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Flash, the the CIA is a tool of an American Empire. The goal of American Empire is to break up other countries into small parts to conquer them.
This is what the Brits used to do way before USA came to the world stage as a super power.
The US supported Albanian terrorists in Serbia to break up Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

So now the Great Satan (aka American Empire) is trying to do the same in China. US supports Dalai Lama's terrorists who have been trained by the CIA in Colorado.
Dalai Lama is a CIA stooge. Their goal is to break up China and set up NATO bases in Tibet....

Speaking about Albanian terrorists:

Russia: US plan arms ex-terrorists
Fri, 21 Mar 2008

Russian NATO envoy Dmitry Rogozin says the US planned military aid package for Kosovo will eventually arm 'ex-terrorists' in the region.
Reacting to George Bush's move to approve a military aid to Kosovo, Russia's ambassador to NATO warned Thursday that such an action could foster "new terrorist clashes in the Balkans."
"To give former terrorists weapons for the war against terrorism appears at least amusing if not worse," the Interfax news agency quoted Rogozin as saying from Brussels, according to DPA.

"It is well known that those in power in Kosovo came in as the organizers and leaders of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which many states recognized as a terrorist organization," he said.
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=48442&sectionid=351020602

[Flash]

The goal of American Empire is to break up other countries into small parts to conquer them.

China isn't a true country. Its an artifical state. The Tibetian people are not the Chinese people. The CIA has its own motivations, but the Dalai Lama is doing what he does for Tibet, not the United States government.

[Andrew-Austin]

Flash, the the CIA is a tool of an American Empire.

Yes, I don't think you need to explain that to people on this forum.



The goal of American Empire is to break up other countries into small parts to conquer them.

So your trying to imply the US is trying to conquer China?? Whaaatt??! :eek: :p

Not in a billion years. The US gov probably does have negative thoughts in mind in regards to their support of the DL, that obviously isn't it.

If this is their goal in regards to Tibet and China relations, then they must be absolutely bat fuck insane to think for a second they can accomplish this.



This is what the Brits used to do way before USA came to the world stage as a super power.

K.



The US supported Albanian terrorists in Serbia to break up Yugoslavia in the 1990s.

Okay, so that makes the Tibet/China case the same because...???



So now the Great Satan (aka American Empire) is trying to do the same in China.

You still haven't provided any logic or evidence to support this.

I'm sorry that you believe this is even remotely possible. America is kinda China's bitch now.

This is as far fetched as it gets.


US supports Dalai Lama's terrorists
who have been trained by the CIA in Colorado.
Dalai Lama is a CIA stooge. Their goal is to break up China and set up NATO bases in Tibet....

Baseless assumptions.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

I cannot wait for the results of China's investigation of Tibet roits.....

[New Governor Of Alaska]

I think the CIA was behind these roits....

The CIA is known for its covert operations. The CIA played the same game in Nicaragua where they supported the so-called "freedom fighters" (aka Contras).

The Contras is a generic term for insurgent groups opposing Nicaragua's Sandinistas - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm

[ryanmkeisling]

I think the CIA was behind these roits....

The CIA is known for its covert operations. The CIA played the same game in Nicaragua where they supported the so-called "freedom fighters" (aka Contras).

The Contras is a generic term for insurgent groups opposing Nicaragua's Sandinistas - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm

This proves nothing beyond the obvious....and waiting for honesty from china or your own country also will have an obvious outcome. You really need to wake up and maybe travel a little but you will not find truth on the internet, or the Tv, or the news, or any government investigations. Have you been to China? Have you been to Tibet? Have you met the High Lama? If so where and when? If not then SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!

[New Governor Of Alaska]

........you will not find truth on the internet, or the Tv, or the news, or any government investigations........

Why do you use Internet than, Ryanmkeisling?

We know the history of ancient Egypt, the Holy Roman Empire, the Russian Empire, its Bolshevik revolution and ancient Greece from the books. So I don't have to visit China to know about connection between the CIA and Dalai Lama.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/concia.jpg

The CIA's Secret War in Tibet takes readers from training camps in the Colorado Rockies to the scene of clandestine operations in the Himalayas....

READ MORE - http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/concia.html

[Andrew-Austin]

Can you just go spam some other forum, no one here is buying your theories.


I cannot wait for the results of China's investigation of Tibet roits.....

Yes you will definitely lap up whatever story they concoct, just like you readily post propaganda from Xinhua (http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-10-12/33256.html).

[constituent]

Just like the picture of the DL with a Nazi that he posted earlier doesn't imply anything to be alarmed about.

Heck, the CIA certainly wasn't supportive of the Nazi's. So which is it? Was the DL in league with the Nazi's or an agent of the CIA. lol




there was no CIA to support the Nazis.

oh btw, the Nazis were later quite supportive of the CIA and others....

you fail to see the big picture.

[Andrew-Austin]

there was no CIA to support the Nazis.

oh btw, the Nazis were later quite supportive of the CIA and others....

you fail to see the big picture.

No one has even attempted to properly explain the "big picture", Russian nationalist over here has made plenty of unsubstantiated claims though.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Andrew-Austin, so it looks like you express opinion of the US State Department, the Pentagon, George W. Bush and other neo-cons.
I am correct?

[Andrew-Austin]

Andrew-Austin, so it looks like you express opinion of the US State Department, the Pentagon, George W. Bush and other neo-cons.


I am correct?

No your fucking blind is what you are. I'm aware that the powers that be in America, would enjoy the prospect of Tibet separating from China. However anyone grounded in reality knows that such is not possible and you'd have to be bat fuck insane to think otherwise. If anything the western powers are trying to make China look bad in order to alienate them. I'm not here to defend some potential CIA/neocon agenda, but to defend the Tibetan people along with the Dalai Lama - who's own struggle seems to be sandwiched between the two world super powers aspirations.. Its great that you have finally acknowledged one of my posts since you seemed to be blowing off all the rest, but at least put some effort in opening up an intelligent discussion - instead of trying to associate me with neocons.

The absolute truth does not come from the obviously tainted and corrupt perspectives of the Chinese government and United States government. I'm at least trying to understand the situation free of influencing bias, you on the other hand readily spam propaganda from China in order to reach some pre-determined conclusion.

I like to see facts, not incredibly loose connections and assumptions coupled with propaganda from China.

If you were to ask me how I would like to see this conflict resolved... I would say that Tibet should remain part of China, but the fascist Chinese government ought to make some concessions to respect the Tibetan people instead of just railroading over them. I know the United States government is guilty of imperialism and has a poor human rights record, and I hold them to the same standards as to China.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Admins, can we have some moderation, please?
Is this the Ron Paul forum or the Jerry Springer show?


No your fucking blind is what you are.

[Andrew-Austin]

Admins, can we have some moderation, please?
Is this the Ron Paul forum or the Jerry Springer show?

Yeah you know you were trying to piss me off. Calling me a neocon Bush associate is far worse then me sarcastically calling you blind.

Get over it and stick to the discussion. The mods are already aware of your little agenda.

I think I'll do myself a big favor and block all of your posts now, I've had enough of this circus.

[New Governor Of Alaska]

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/concia.jpg

The CIA's Secret War in Tibet takes readers from training camps in the Colorado Rockies to the scene of clandestine operations in the Himalayas....

READ MORE - http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/concia.html

[Drolma]

French writer Bressler is confident that Tibet's future must be happier based on her first visit in 2007 and second on November 29, 2012.

“The real Tibet is a changing society. Tibetans, like many western people, also need to improve their living standard, including clean water and enough electricity supply,” said Bressler in an interview.


In her second tour to Tibet, Bressler retraced her first routes in Tibet, which made her have the opportunity to compare the changes Tibet has taken place during the past five years.

“I see Tibet changing bit by bit through the improved road construction and infrastructures in the past five years.”

“Tibet has the ability to preserve its own culture while keeping up with the high-speed economy development. That’s why Tibet could achieve a win-win situation for the balance between social development and traditional culture protection. On this point, Tibet did much better than many western countries,” said Bressler.

[John F Kennedy III]

I take it you're the new governor of Alaska?