Great! Now Kalipornia is considering restrictions on ammunition sales!

[Deborah K]

This just in from the NRA....

California Assembly to Consider Severe
Restrictions on Ammunition Sales!
Stand Up and Make Your Voice Heard Today!


Next Wednesday, March 25, the Assembly Public Safety Committee will consider legislation that would require gun owners to obtain a “permit-to-purchase” before buying handgun ammunition.

Introduced by State Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), Assembly Bill 2062 puts ammunition sales in the crosshairs. AB2062 would require that law-abiding gun owners obtain a permit to buy handgun ammunition and would impose severe restrictions on the private transfers of handgun ammunition. Applicants for a “permit-to-purchase” would be required to submit to a background check, pay a $35 fee, and wait as long as 30 days to receive the permit.



Under AB2062, it would be unlawful to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require vendors to keep a record of the transaction including the ammunition buyer’s name, driver’s license, the quantity, caliber and type of ammunition purchased, and right thumbprint, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice or the number of his handgun ammunition purchase permit. Vendors would be required to contact the purchase permit database, to verify the validity of a permit before completing a sale. All ammunition sales in the State of California would be subject to a $3 per transaction tax. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited. Any violator of AB2062 would be subject to civil fines.

Please contact the members of the Assembly Public Safety Committee and your State Assembly Member TODAY and respectfully urge them to oppose this onerous attack on our Second Amendment freedoms. Contact information for the committee members can be found below. Please click here to find your State Assembly Member.

State Assembly Member Jose Solorio (D-69), Chair

(916) 319-2069
Assemblymember.solorio@assembly.ca.gov


State Assembly Member Greg Aghazarian, (R-26), Vice Chair

(916) 319-2026
Assemblymember.aghazarian@assembly.ca.gov


State Assembly Member Joel Anderson (R-77)

(916) 319-2077
Assemblymember.Anderson@assembly.ca.gov


State Assembly Member Hector De La Torre (D-50)

(916) 319-2050
Assemblymember.DeLaTorre@assembly.ca.gov



State Assembly Member Fiona Ma (D-12)

(916) 319-2012
Assemblymember.Ma@assembly.ca.gov



State Assembly Member Anthony J. Portantino (D-44)

(916) 319-2044
Assemblymember.Portantino@assembly.ca.gov

[Deborah K]

And here's the bill:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/asm/ab_2051-2100/ab_2062_bill_20080219_introduced.html

[Dr.3D]

Wow, I guess the surrounding states will get a lot of business in ammo sales then.

[Deborah K]

Assuming of course, we aren't stopped at state border check points. I live Cali, this is upsetting to me. I'll be busy tomorrow raising hell on the phone....

[Dr.3D]

Assuming of course, we aren't stopped at state border check points. I live Cali, this is upsetting to me. I'll be busy tomorrow raising hell on the phone....

Maybe they like the idea of a black market in ammo.

It isn't called the land of fruits and nuts for nothing. :)

[ryanmkeisling]

Assuming of course, we aren't stopped at state border check points. I live Cali, this is upsetting to me. I'll be busy tomorrow raising hell on the phone....

I live right on the border with Nevada and ammo is available and cheap, in fact most things are far cheaper there. I have been on the phone quite a bit lately concerning the Real ID, which I want nothing to do with, and never even thought to bring this up; perhaps I should. The checkpoints are "agricultural" and I have never even been stopped coming back through although it would be scary if they included ammunitions. Stock up now....

[Doktor_Jeep]

Wouldn't it be nice to just live in peace and freedom and not have your life disrupted by some f**kleheads behind a desk somewhere?

[Deborah K]

Wouldn't it be nice to just live in peace and freedom and not have your life disrupted by some f**kleheads behind a desk somewhere?

....or in our state assembly? Yes, it would be nice. I'm bumping this and asking those of you who live in or know people who live in Cali to please forward this email to them. Unless they are members of the NRA, they will never get wind of this.

I have notified as many in the media as I can, but I could use some help here. See, what's happening is that since they can't constitutionally take away our weapons, they're going after our ammo. And, as you all know, Cali is the guinea pig for ridiculous, cumbersome, freedom absconding laws that many times are enacted later in YOUR states.

We have to kill this now.

[Ex Post Facto]

LOL reminds me of this video by Chris Rock on Bullet Control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqHnEO5Vm50

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

not at all too surprised that it's starting there :-(



p.s. i regularly buy ammo from walmart :-) they have a full line of ammo at discount prices haha nice plug

[xd9fan]

I dont see any white middle class protests

working the phones and email only go so far.

Tell what would happen in Cal if 20000 white middle class americans stormed the assembly to shut them down in protest on this????

IMHO things will not change until this starts happening....me its just me

marching is very basic....yet IMHO very powerful

[Doktor_Jeep]

Wasn't there a thread about reloading a while back?

You see, if everybody reloaded their ammo, taxes and restrictions on ammo would have as much effect as laws against downloading music.

[TruckinMike]

just like with Connecticut (Lieberman's state for all your Hannity fans) they would outlaw ALL non-serialized ammo. Meaning you must destroy your existing supplies or face serious penalties.

-- thus, even if you brought ammo in from Nevada, you would be guilty of a serious crime.

-- fight the "soft war" now, or fight the hard war later. GET the emails going, phone calls to reps -- take 'em out -- expose them as the traitors that they are!!

TMike

[angelatc]

Assuming of course, we aren't stopped at state border check points. I live Cali, this is upsetting to me. I'll be busy tomorrow raising hell on the phone....

This is the wave of the future. If the SCOTUS supports the right for us to own handguns, then the brilliant legal minds will not have an iota of trouble restricting the right to buy ammo.

[PatriotnMore]

Breaking News of AB 2062 .....
Posted on 05-14-2008

Breaking News of AB 2062 – Ammo Registration

The Assembly Committee on Appropriations has just placed AB 2062 on the Suspense File. Even though any bill with costs of over $150,000 automatically goes to suspense, Assemblyman Kevin DeLeon amended his bill in an attempt to get below this fiscal threshold.

We’ve heard from our supporters that members of the Appropriations committee admit to having received many hundreds of phone calls on AB 2062 since our Lobby Day on May 6th, and virtually 100% in opposition. Key Democrat staffers answering the phone have indicated that their bosses believe that there is no support for this bill and it will die.

The Suspense File is often used by the committee as a tool to bury bills they want to see go away. They simply leave the bill on suspense until after the deadline to take up any more bills. They then claim that the state does not have enough resources to fund the bill which allows the author to save face.

If AB 2062 stays on the Suspense File, we will all know the real reason.

Ask any pro-gun member of the Appropriations Committee and they will tell you that the lobbying effort spearheaded by Gun Owners of California was timely and effective. We will continue to lead the way.

[JK/SEA]

Ammo is considered 'bearing arms'. This won't fly, and will be challenged in SCOTUS if enacted.

A gun without bullets, is like a day without sunshine.

[PatriotnMore]

Ammo is considered 'bearing arms'. This won't fly, and will be challenged in SCOTUS if enacted.

A gun without bullets, is like a day without sunshine.

I would remind all, the SCOTUS seats are appointed by the administration at the time of the current opening.

These positions are filled largely based on political consideration, not Constitutional. Hence one of the reasons I am concerned about the decisions being handed down. As an example:

This example has to to with DUI checkpoints, please read, and note the areas in bold.

Opinion: Why Are DUI Sobriety Checkpoints Constitutional?
Attorney Lawrence Taylor explains the constitutionality of DUI roadblocks.

Have you ever wondered how police can stop you at a DUI roadblock (aka "sobriety checkpoint")? Doesn't the Constitution require them to have "probable cause before stopping you"? Yes and no.

The Constitution of the United States clearly says that police can't just stop someone and conduct an investigation unless there are "articulable facts" indicating possible criminal activity. So how can they do exactly that with drunk driving roadblocks? Good question. And it was raised in the case of Michigan v. Sitz, in which the Michigan Supreme Court striking down DUI roadblocks as unconstitutional. In a 6-3 decision, however, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the Michigan court, holding that they were constitutionally permissible.
Chief Justice Rehnquist began his majority opinion by admitting that DUI sobriety checkpoints do, in fact, constitute a "seizure" within the language of the Fourth Amendment. In other words, yes, it appears to be a blatant violation of the Constitution. However, he continued, it's only a little one, and something has to be done about the "carnage" on the highways caused by drunk drivers. The "minimal intrusion on individual liberties," Rehnquist wrote, must be "weighed" against the need for -- and effectiveness of -- DUI roadblocks. In other words, the ends justify the means.The dissenting justices pointed out that the Constitution doesn't make exceptions: The sole question is whether the police had probable cause to stop the individual driver. As Justice Brennan wrote, "That stopping every car might make it easier to prevent drunken driving... is an insufficient justification for abandoning the requirement of individualized suspicion... The most disturbing aspect of the Court's decision today is that it appears to give no weight to the citizen's interest in freedom from suspicionless investigatory seizures."

Rehnquist's justification for ignoring the Constitution rested on the assumption that DUI roadblocks were "necessary" and "effective." Are they? As Justice Stevens wrote in another dissenting opinion, the Michigan court had already reviewed the statistics on DUI sobriety checkpoints/roadblocks: "The findings of the trial court, based on an extensive record and affirmed by the Michigan Court of Appeals," he wrote, "indicate that the net effect of sobriety checkpoints on traffic safety is infinitesimal and possibly negative."

The case was sent back to the Michigan Supreme Court to change its decision accordingly. But the Michigan Supreme Court sidestepped Rehnquist by holding that DUI checkpoints, though now permissible under the U.S. Constitution, were not permissible under the Michigan State Constitution, and ruled again in favor of the defendant -- in effect saying to Rehnquist, "If you won't protect our citizens, we will." A small number of states have since followed Michigan's example.

Mr. Taylor is an attorney with the Law Offices of Lawrence Taylor and author of the standard text on DUI litigation, Drunk Driving Defense, 6th edition.

Un-Constitutional, regardless of the logic, is still Un-Constitutional.

[Primbs]

Maybe the reloading business will pick up in California.

[Kotin]

thats how it starts..

[yongrel]

I object to the title of this thread. "Kalipornia" is an insulting gimmick. There is nothing wrong with porn.

[orafi]

Wow, I guess the surrounding states will get a lot of business in ammo sales then.

Yeah, but isn't California going to suffer a major earthquake that's going to break it off from the continent?

[Deborah K]

I object to the title of this thread. "Kalipornia" is an insulting gimmick. There is nothing wrong with porn.

Who said there was? Van Nuys is the porn capitol of the world, hence the word: Kalipornia. Chill out. I think porn puts a sacred act in the gutter, but I'm not for stopping any one else from viewing it.

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

it said it was happening on march 25.... any updates?

[PatriotnMore]

I just wanted to share this, I think its appropriate with concerns to 2nd amendment issues.

If we conduct a simple experiment the fundamentals become clear. Let’s suppose that the amendment read - “A well educated electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear books, shall not be infringed.” No way any court would say that there could be limits on the kind of books owned, or that you’d have to wait 10 days to pick up a book you bought or that only government employees could own certain kinds of books.

[Deborah K]

it said it was happening on march 25.... any updates?


It was put into 'suspension' which is a way for the sponsors to save face due to all the public backlash over it. It's tabled for now.

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

It was put into 'suspension' which is a way for the sponsors to save face due to all the public backlash over it. It's tabled for now.

I guess that's 'good news' but a far cry from letting responsible law abiding adults spend their money on what they want haha.

Thanks for the update!

[PatriotnMore]

Update, this is bad news!

http://www.gunownersca.com/news/display/?id=446

[maeqFREEDOMfree]

hopefully people can get organized enough and defeat it!

[boggie08]

Update, this is bad news!

http://www.gunownersca.com/news/display/?id=446

We need to start monitoring legislatures and stooping these bills BEFORE they pass. I urge everyone in California to go to this rally and fight this awful bill.

[PatriotnMore]

Just got off Gun Owners of California website and AB2062 was passed out. The author DeLeon (anti gun moron) made changes to it so it will not cost the state more money. Will come up for vote next week. We've got to put this bill down once and for all. Start calling, faxing and emailing all the members who will vote on it. Tie up their phone lines, fax lines and email with objections to this bill.

[Carehn]

God Damn California is so Fu*king lame!

Is there any thing about California thats not unbelievably gay?

Its time for all of you to join (http://www.freestateproject.com)

[SeanEdwards]

Wow, I guess the surrounding states will get a lot of business in ammo sales then.

No, the surrounding states are terrified of being sued by commie California attorneys. I was once practically physically tossed out of a gun store in Nevada for showing my california driver's license.

[Southron]

Looks like it passed the California Assembly. Just needs to get by the Senator and Governor now...

Courtesy of another forum:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3965

Basically:
1 you won't be able to mail order ammo anymore

2 there is a 3 dollar tax on all ammo you buy at a store

3 you have to fill out a form with a bunch of information including your right thumbprint everytime you buy handgun ammo. This information will be logged with the CADOJ

and

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=3963

Basically:
all handguns will have to have biometric user authorized features once that technology is deemed available.

So:
The gun will have to:
1. Microstamp all bullets
2. Have a Magazine Safty Diconnect
3. Have a Loaded Chamber Indicator (no current design meets the criteria)
4. Have User authorized biometrics.

Good luck getting new handguns approved in California.

[Ron Paul Vermont]

Spend a few extra bucks and get a passport. Don't get real ID! A passport and real ID are the only legal identification that allow you on an airplane or in federal buildings. It is what I am doing right now.

[Gideon]

This time all of the ammo went overboard.

[newyearsrevolution08]

How did I just learn about this TODAY, holy shit California is ran by crazies.......

Reloading equipment is needed for me now....