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Dieseler
03-19-2008, 10:45 AM
Black Preacher warns white Americans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfyHQ2PjLzk

allyinoh
03-19-2008, 10:53 AM
I came across this guys last weekend on youtube.

I have to say though that I do agree with bits and pieces of what he says.

Dieseler
03-19-2008, 11:06 AM
I came across this guys last weekend on youtube.

I have to say though that I do agree with bits and pieces of what he says.

Yeah.
I went to public school.
I know exactly whats going to happen.

Time for Change
03-19-2008, 11:07 AM
WOW!

I cannot decide if it is a prank, or mildly factual.
The potential is there, and I have heard similar comments in the community, but I am undecided as to what to think.

Just plain WOW

Dr.3D
03-19-2008, 11:18 AM
The man has a point.

Dieseler
03-19-2008, 11:18 AM
I was a Tree Surgeon in my younger days.
I had a really good friend I will just call T.R., He was an elderly Black gentleman that I thought the world of and really I still do.
He used to pick up wood from my jobs for sometimes the wood and other times a small fee and the wood.
One day after we had finished up the routine of loading his truck and I was loading my saws and gear I noticed him and his help, two other black gentleman off to the side talking.
I walked up quietly but not sneaking mind you and joined the circle.
I noticed that T.R. was ranting about a problem his Grand daughter was having with admission to college or something or another and watched as he began to spit and shudder even harder as he went along his rant.
Finally I spoke up loudly and exclaimed " Its those damned white people!"
T.R. upon hearing this exclaimed loudly not realizing or rather forgetting his mixed company at that time " Hell Yeah, Its them damn white honkies whats making all this trouble!"
I stood there quietly as he realized that it was I, a white man who had made the statement before and I watched as his jaw dropped and he returned to planet Earth from the rant he had set out upon..
I told them I had to get to another job and wished them a good day.
They said nothing.
So quiet you could hear a pin drop.

Deborah K
03-19-2008, 11:33 AM
What I don't get is why Obama's white mother is being completely and utterly ignored. As far as anyone is concerned he's "african american". I wonder how that makes her feel? Some unite - er he's turned out to be. :rolleyes:

jsgolfman
03-19-2008, 11:36 AM
While I don't prefer to be called "white folk" as I know the connotations that imply, I was surprised at the comments on youtube about this guy. He isn't saying anything that hasn't already been said and is speaking thr truth when he says the things about Cosby and Clinton getting trashed. I do recall that Bill was the friend of the black man, when he was running. Now he is despised. I don't think its a monopoly solely of the black community though. I think that sentiment runs deep through every culture here. People are generally fat, lazy and dumb. They have no idea what they want or how to get it. They also have the attention span of a gnat and the memory to match.

AisA1787
03-19-2008, 11:49 AM
What I don't get is why Obama's white mother is being completely and utterly ignored. As far as anyone is concerned he's "african american". I wonder how that makes her feel? Some unite - er he's turned out to be. :rolleyes:

She passed away in the mid-90s... He seems to have forgotten all about her :(

AisA1787
03-19-2008, 11:57 AM
I was surprised at the comments on youtube about this guy.

Same here. It just goes to show that you can't reason against belief. Pastor Manning didn't say one bad thing about anyone - he just spoke the truth as he sees it.

I looked around his website and thank goodness I didn't find the same globalist, socialist trash that is on Obama's church's website:



http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.


I'm sorry, Obama can say all day long that he can't "disown his pastor" but he is a member of this church. I could never be a member of a church with a professed non-negotiable commitment to another country, and a dedication to the socialistic goal "economic parity" which can only be achieved by using collective force against individuals.

Deborah K
03-19-2008, 12:00 PM
Same here. It just goes to show that you can't reason against belief. Pastor Manning didn't say one bad thing about anyone - he just spoke the truth as he sees it.

I looked around his website and thank goodness I didn't find the same globalist, socialist trash that is on Obama's church's website:



I'm sorry, Obama can say all day long that he can't "disown his pastor" but he is a member of this church. I could never be a member of a church with a professed non-negotiable commitment to another country, and a dedication to the socialistic goal "economic parity" which can only be achieved by using collective force against individuals.

Are we to presume that his children attend services at this church? Who is he kidding?

allyinoh
03-19-2008, 12:02 PM
I think that he can be a little out there with some of the things he says, but he also says a lot that is true.

I have heard black people talk about how great Bill Clinton was, how he was the first "black" president. Now people are rallying behind Obama and trashing the Clinton's.

Honestly, I think he says things that people think but for certain reasons are afraid to say.

ETA: I question some of the things he says, as he is SUPPOSED to be in the Lord's house, and I have never heard a preacher say some of the things he has.

AisA1787
03-19-2008, 12:02 PM
wow, this guy is intense. you should watch some more of his videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7b0STJ_9k&feature=related

"Hippies" scrolling across the bottom of the screen... LOL

AisA1787
03-19-2008, 12:24 PM
Are we to presume that his children attend services at this church? Who is he kidding?

My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately, judging by the media response to his speech regarding his pastor, he's putting one over on most of America.... It's hard to believe that people can be so easily manipulated -- this stuff is on his church's website for crying out loud!! :rolleyes:

raiha
03-19-2008, 12:43 PM
Hell Yeah, Its them damn white honkies whats making all this trouble!"
this is a revelation, how?
How many times do 'whities' make similar statements? My Maori girlfried was just called a '******' by her boyfriend. Don't single out black racism for the love of God and if it is there no bloody wonder! Don't take a mere 150 years to get over the effects of being manacled, owned and lashed...oh and treated like an animal in many cases.

This talk about race is crap. It is about integrity, or should be, and competence. I can't believe your political coverage. It is like Carnival in Rio!

ChooseLiberty
03-19-2008, 02:28 PM
It just shows how f'd up Obama is. He was abandoned by his African daddy and raised by his white grandparents and mother.

At least Dennis Rodman acknowledges the white people that raised him.

Rodman's less f'd up than Obama.



What I don't get is why Obama's white mother is being completely and utterly ignored. As far as anyone is concerned he's "african american". I wonder how that makes her feel? Some unite - er he's turned out to be. :rolleyes:

ItsTime
03-19-2008, 03:03 PM
Bill Cosby is a personal hero of mine. It is beyond me why the black community boos him so much. What is so bad about TAKING PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY? sigh

sophocles07
03-19-2008, 03:10 PM
This "pastor" apparently has a very low opinion of "his people."

Dieseler
03-19-2008, 04:47 PM
this is a revelation, how?
How many times do 'whities' make similar statements? My Maori girlfried was just called a '******' by her boyfriend. Don't single out black racism for the love of God and if it is there no bloody wonder! Don't take a mere 150 years to get over the effects of being manacled, owned and lashed...oh and treated like an animal in many cases.

This talk about race is crap. It is about integrity, or should be, and competence. I can't believe your political coverage. It is like Carnival in Rio!

Not a Revelation at all. I was just making the point of how my so called friend so conveniently forgot that his white friend was standing next to him while blaming the entire white race for his Grand Daughters problem..
I see more Blacks saying ****** these days than I do whites.
They say it in a prideful way it seems. Like its a pet name or something.
I personally find it offensive to hear them use it and have called people out on it more than a few times in the work place. Come close to blows about it a few times as well. Usually they understand my fucking point of view when all is said and done.
I sort of like Chris Rocks point of view on it.
I love black people.
But I hates me a ******.
Take it however you like.

sophocles07
03-19-2008, 04:52 PM
my fucking point of view

haha, well...

Nirvikalpa
03-19-2008, 04:54 PM
this is a revelation, how?
How many times do 'whities' make similar statements? My Maori girlfried was just called a '******' by her boyfriend. Don't single out black racism for the love of God and if it is there no bloody wonder! Don't take a mere 150 years to get over the effects of being manacled, owned and lashed...oh and treated like an animal in many cases.

This talk about race is crap. It is about integrity, or should be, and competence. I can't believe your political coverage. It is like Carnival in Rio!

Seriously, as a white girl who lived in a predominately black neighborhood, it goes both ways. God white kids at my local high school are beat up everyday just for being white, and we can't say it's a hate crime because then we're racist.

I'm always called a 'cracka' when I'm home.

I was 9 years old and I was jumped by 4 black men - and they just wanted to scare me, because I was a young white female walking around my neighborhood after 5PM, oh the horror.

I am so tired of hearing that 'white people are racist more than anybody' shit. Some are. But you know what, in every single race, there are people that are racist.

I've had tons of black friends from my area, and even they say it's ridiculous. Gang violence, racist comments against whites, etc... Thank God, there are more responsible black men and women out there than the low-lifes (and they are) I unfortunately have to come into contact with on a daily basis, and are bringing down their entire race. Bill Cosby had said it right.

Dr.3D
03-20-2008, 03:56 AM
Hummm... I was talking to a black guy and told him I had not seen him in a coons age.

He got very upset and said I was a terrible person for saying that.

I still don't quite understand what was wrong with what I said, because it was a common phrase when I was a kid. We always considered the life time of a Raccoon to be around 10 years.

Luft97
03-20-2008, 04:06 AM
This video of his is entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related

Mopsus
03-20-2008, 05:09 AM
No one is more racist than blacks. Ask the next black person you see and they'll tell you the lighter the skin tone (amongst blacks) the more attractive that black person is perceived in the black community. Go ahead, ask a black friend. I’ve been told this repeatedly by my black friends and their parents.

Oh, and for those of you that are upset that I didn't call them "African American:"

1. Do you refer to yourself as European-American, Caucasian-American or maybe, oh just maybe, "white."

2. I will concede the label of "African-American," if a black person, who values their heritage, would kindly do me the honor of locating either Senegal, Gambia, Benin, Niger or Congo on a map. The nations are where the vast majority of slaves were from.

Lastly, sorry to break it to ya, blacks have been selling blacks from other, sometimes defeated tribes, for millennia. It’s not all the white man’s fault, Just like today it’s about power and money. Things haven’t changed much. We’re all slaves to some degree.

I'm kinda white-you're kinda black. Let's move on down the road. We're all mutts.

MysteryGuest
03-20-2008, 05:58 AM
Ladies and gentleman, I give you the blowback from centuries, no millenia of racism from all sides. Wow. It seems to me that everybody has some mud on them in regards to racism, and the blame is shared by all of us to some degree or another. For instance, I'm black and pretty happy about that, but I'm dating someone who's white. I have friends who listen to country music, ride bikes, and on more than one occasion, have worn clothing featuring a confederate flag (or two). And yet, I've been known to make several jokes, off color remarks, and insults about both black people and white people. I've crossed the street when a group of young black guys walked by for no other reason that they looked tough. I've been convinced that some whites didn't give me a fair shake because I was black (true at times, way off base at others.) I have made wrongheaded jokes and comments about latinos in my neighborhood but at the same time, I personally think that a lot of the rhetoric in most anti-immigration debates I have make a lot of generalizations about latinos that as I've seen, don't always play out. My grandmother was half-Irish and pretty happy about that. I grew up having cabbage and cornbeef on St. Pat's day. I've used the N-word several times, but I don't buy the ownership stuff and I don't see it as a term of endearment. Am I a racist? Guilty as charged.

I don't mean racist in as much as I hate people. Most people can be a-holes, but on the whole, all people are beautiful and interesting in some way. I mean racist in that I'm well aware that I have ridiculous and ill-informed ideas about people who are different than me and that it's easy for me to make generalizations and assumptions without knowledge. I've done it, other people have done it about me (especially certain law enforcement officials ;) ). I haven't seen anyone who hasn't and I think it would help if we all gave each other a break. As for myself, I know that I have racist thoughts and feelings at times and being honest about it at least lets me laugh at my ignorance and push past it and see the person as an individual instead of the caricature that I made them out to be. Which, is one of the reasons I'm a libertarian in the first place. In the end, people are people.

This is where I think a lot of liberty minded people sometimes don't get it quite right. The idea that people are, first and foremost individuals is certainly correct. But I think a lot of times, there's not enough of consideration for the fact that for most people (even amongst us, so it seems) you can't just drop a lifetime of racial and cultural identity just like that, nor can one 'get over' racism without directly confronting it within themselves, seeing it for what it is and pushing past it. Most people want to just reject it or ignore it or leave it behind without realizing that until you deal with it honestly, it will always follow you around. I hate my racist ideas and so, I do my best to confront them when I have them and make better decisions. Nothing gets better if I try to deny the 800 lb gorilla (don't read anything into that :) ) in my room. I think that for us to go on as a nation of individuals, we have to come clean about the fact that we really don't see ourselves as individuals all the time.

Just a thought.

Truth Warrior
03-20-2008, 06:02 AM
Jeremiah Wright: True and False
http://antiwar.com/henderson/?articleid=12553

angelatc
03-20-2008, 06:41 AM
this is a revelation, how?
How many times do 'whities' make similar statements? My Maori girlfried was just called a '******' by her boyfriend. Don't single out black racism for the love of God and if it is there no bloody wonder! Don't take a mere 150 years to get over the effects of being manacled, owned and lashed...oh and treated like an animal in many cases.

This talk about race is crap. It is about integrity, or should be, and competence. I can't believe your political coverage. It is like Carnival in Rio!

It's time to get over something that never happened to you. Racism is only still an issue because the press and black America continue to make it an issue.

Welfare is the biggest cause for the trouble in the black community. The problems that they have now didn't really exist until after the civil rights movement of the 60's, when they cashed in on white liberal guilt.

They also don't seem to have these same issues in other countries that had an longer history of slavery.

angelatc
03-20-2008, 06:45 AM
I think that for us to go on as a nation of individuals, we have to come clean about the fact that we really don't see ourselves as individuals all the time.

Just a thought.

Speak for yourself. I have no idea where my ancestors came from, going back any farther than Chillicothe OH in the '30's. Who freaking cares?

All this new age crap about racial and cultural pride is just meant to divide us, and will lead us (as pride always does) to a fall.

sophocles07
03-20-2008, 08:14 AM
Hummm... I was talking to a black guy and told him I had not seen him in a coons age.

He got very upset and said I was a terrible person for saying that.

I still don't quite understand what was wrong with what I said, because it was a common phrase when I was a kid. We always considered the life time of a Raccoon to be around 10 years.

Damn dude.

MysteryGuest
03-20-2008, 08:35 AM
Speak for yourself. I have no idea where my ancestors came from, going back any farther than Chillicothe OH in the '30's. Who freaking cares?

All this new age crap about racial and cultural pride is just meant to divide us, and will lead us (as pride always does) to a fall.


I see what you mean, angelatc, and ultimately, you're right, it really doesn't matter which boat your ancestors got off on, we're all in this one together. The truth is, eventhough I can trace my ancestry back aways, really it has almost no affect on my day to day life. At best it's an interesting tidbit at parties, not a reason to like or dislike somebody.

On the subjects of groups and individuals, I was trying to make a point about how at different times and circumstances, people see people, sometimes themselves, sometimes others as groups and sometimes as individuals. In fact, you're earlier post concerning welfare and it's part in problems in the black community. To even make that observation, you would have to see the black community as a group who are affected by the same problem, rather than this black person or that black person. I'm not calling you out or anything believe me, I'm just making the point that we can't be blind about our own tendency to put people into groups (cultural, racial, political, social, geographical, you name it) and then make assumptions about them, especially when we're on page 3 of a thread entitled Black Preacher warns white Americans. All I said was that when I do it, I try to look it in the eye, recognize how silly it is and set it aside. In a world where people have been dividing themselves for all sorts of stupids reasons since the beginning, it's not a bad start.