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Phantom
03-18-2008, 01:51 PM
Ron Paul backers succeed in guerilla takeover of some GOP caucuses

By Jo Mannies
POST-DISPATCHPOLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
03/18/2008

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Republican presidential hopeful, Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas
(Evan Vucci/AP)

The first hints were the phone calls.

Never before had St. Charles County Republican Party Chairman Jon Bennett received so many queries about where this year's party caucus was to be held. And Bennett didn't recognize most of the callers.

On Saturday, Bennett learned why. Dozens of avid supporters of Ron Paul, a Texas congressman who is running a renegade quest for the presidential nomination, staged a political guerrilla attack. At that caucus at St. Peters City Hall — as well as others across the state — party regulars like Bennett were overwhelmed.

Caucuses in Missouri, held only in presidential election years, are typically low-key affairs attended mainly by party diehards. But this year, the pro-Paul activists commandeered gatherings in the city of St. Louis, St. Louis County, Kansas City and Springfield. Paul supporters also controlled caucuses in at least a half dozen rural counties.

The result: Paul's supporters predict they have snagged roughly a third of the 2,137 state Republican delegates. Those delegates will determine the state GOP platform this spring and help select the presidential delegates to the national Republican presidential convention in Minneapolis in September.

The unorthodox push, which sparked shouting matches in some meetings, reflected Paul's campaign — an anti-establishment, grass-roots movement built on passion.

"This is a movement for change in the long term," said Ruth Carlson, a 24-year-old secretary from St. John who helped organize Saturday's push in the St. Louis area.

At many of Saturday's caucuses, the Paul contingents also won approval for some of their man's key positions, including resolutions for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, and against the federal Patriot Act and warrantless wiretaps.

But the most politically explosive resolution called for repealing the Missouri Republican Party requirement that all of the state's 58 GOP presidential delegates back the victor in the Feb. 5 primary: U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., now the presumptive presidential nominee.

In Missouri's presidential contest, Paul obtained less than 5 percent of the statewide Republican vote.

Missouri leaders of Saturday's pro-Paul effort insist that they're not driven by a quest to resurrect his chances for the White House.

Carlson and other Paul supporters say their aim is to force the Missouri Republican Party to embrace Paul's principles.

"We're not holding out an illusion that Ron is going to win the nomination," said Debbie Hopper, Paul's national field director. "This is about calling the Republican Party back to its roots."

Hopper — who lives in Fenton and was herself elected a delegate Saturday at a caucus in St. Louis County — cited other caucus successes by pro-Paul supporters in other states, including Nevada, Colorado and Washington.

But Missouri Republican officials plan to fight back. State Republican Party Executive Director Jared Craighead said party leaders will be examining the lists of caucus-goers, and of the newly elected state delegates. He contends that some of the Paul activists involved in the caucuses were really Democrats or Libertarians who should be tossed off.

However, St. Louis city Republican Chairwoman Judy Zakibe joined Bennett in asserting that some of the blame lies with Republican elected officials and party activists who stayed home Saturday.

"Our people didn't come out," Zakibe said. "That's what cost us."

But Bennett accused the Paul forces of deception. At the St. Charles County caucus, Paul backers did not identify themselves as such. Instead they promoted a group of proposed delegates they called the Conservative Values slate.

"They went out of their way not to use 'Ron Paul,'" Bennett said. "Intellectually they were dishonest about their reasons."

Still, Bennett had to appreciate their success: "I'll hand them kudos for being activists. I'll hand them kudos for being organized."

Brent Stafford, a computer analyst from O'Fallon who headed the pro-Paul forces in St. Charles County, gave credit to his side's stealth preparations, which included mock caucuses.

Whatever happens, organizer Carlson said Saturday's victories should prove that Republican Party leaders can't ignore Ron Paul, his views or his supporters.

She added with a chuckle: "We're not just a bunch of people on the Internet. We show up."

Link (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/2953AF413B298DD2862574100013EE2D?OpenDocument)

sophocles07
03-18-2008, 01:56 PM
Somebody needs to give Bennett an atomic wedgie times two

Kludge
03-18-2008, 02:00 PM
Good story, good quotes =)

Zera
03-18-2008, 02:30 PM
Not sure if this is good or bad. Could be good in a way that they know we're no push overs and will be committed to our man. Could be bad in a way that McCain supporters start to wake up and go to their conventions...

mavtek
03-18-2008, 02:54 PM
Not sure if this is good or bad. Could be good in a way that they know we're no push overs and will be committed to our man. Could be bad in a way that McCain supporters start to wake up and go to their conventions...

As long as the national media keeps everything Ron Paul under wraps we should be ok. Funny, here I am hoping that the media doesn't cover us! It's a good thing the "party insiders" depend so much on antiquated media and word of mouth for their information.

derdy
03-18-2008, 03:28 PM
Somebody needs to give Bennett an atomic wedgie times two

We're going to run someone against him this August. :D

hawks4ronpaul
03-18-2008, 03:49 PM
"They went out of their way not to use 'Ron Paul,'" Bennett said. "Intellectually they were dishonest about their reasons."


There is nothing dishonest about not making it easy for the opposition to eliminate you.

It would help if a local RPer contacted the journalist to include information about the other candidates using the stealth slate in Louisiana or the NY poll workers and others who lied to voters about RP dropping out when he is still in the race then and now.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

mikeycapz
03-18-2008, 03:50 PM
"But Missouri Republican officials plan to fight back. State Republican Party Executive Director Jared Craighead said party leaders will be examining the lists of caucus-goers, and of the newly elected state delegates. He contends that some of the Paul activists involved in the caucuses were really Democrats or Libertarians who should be tossed off."

WTF!! Don't tell me they are going to break the rules because they didn't get their way. Thats bullshit. Missouri Paul supporters better stay on top of this.

seapilot
03-18-2008, 03:53 PM
Sounds like what happened at the state convention in Alaska. The established GOP is getting a rude awakening all over the country, this is definitly not an isolated event.

The establishment is old and tired. They are so used to fearing and attacking democrats they dont know what to think when their platform is being attacked by freedom activists. We got a lot of platform changes to the state GOP and we are not going away. This year we represented 1/3 of the delegates. In 2 years it could be 1/2 and next presidental election it could be 3/4.

hawks4ronpaul
03-18-2008, 03:57 PM
"But Missouri Republican officials plan to fight back. State Republican Party Executive Director Jared Craighead said party leaders will be examining the lists of caucus-goers, and of the newly elected state delegates. He contends that some of the Paul activists involved in the caucuses were really Democrats or Libertarians who should be tossed off."

WTF!! Don't tell me they are going to break the rules because they didn't get their way. Thats bullshit. Missouri Paul supporters better stay on top of this.

New members need to keep the topic on "real Republican" values/policies (no IRS, no dept. of Education, fiscal conservatism, small government, individual rights, strong defense).

Real conservatives had to join to stop the fake conservatives whose "liberal" policies of big government and the global nanny state are ruining the GOP.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

seapilot
03-18-2008, 04:14 PM
New members need to keep the topic on "real Republican" values/policies (no IRS, no dept. of Education, fiscal conservatism, small government, individual rights, strong defense).

Real conservatives had to join to stop the fake conservatives whose "liberal" policies of big government and the global nanny state are ruining the GOP.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

+1 Become a card carrying GOP until you are in a committee proposing resolutions to change the state GOP platform. Then they will realize who you are by then its too late for them to do anything about it.

derdy
03-18-2008, 04:26 PM
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NEPA_Revolution
03-18-2008, 04:44 PM
Were in your convention, stealing your delegates............

goldstandard
03-18-2008, 04:55 PM
Under the radar, we must keep this under the radar... But: This is great news. :)

MGreen
03-18-2008, 05:05 PM
But Bennett accused the Paul forces of deception. At the St. Charles County caucus, Paul backers did not identify themselves as such. Instead they promoted a group of proposed delegates they called the Conservative Values slate.

"They went out of their way not to use 'Ron Paul,'" Bennett said. "Intellectually they were dishonest about their reasons."
Hilarious, considering what the establishment Republicans did in Louisiana.

idiom
03-18-2008, 05:59 PM
Only a Third? I hope its really more than that...

Zera
03-18-2008, 06:20 PM
Hilarious, considering what the establishment Republicans did in Louisiana.

Can anyone explain to me what happened in Louisiana? I always ask, but no one ever tells me...

nate895
03-18-2008, 06:24 PM
Can anyone explain to me what happened in Louisiana? I always ask, but no one ever tells me...

At the caucuses there, we were winning until they discounted "provisional votes" and they elected the "pro-life/pro-family" slate which were all McCain supporters.

Banana
03-18-2008, 06:26 PM
Zera, if you do a search (it's on top of page), try louisiana rump, which should get you a good thread that'll bring you up to speed. But right now, it's still unresolved, AFIACT.

4RP08inKCMO
03-18-2008, 06:28 PM
I already posted it in another thread, but I just found out this article was one of the top headlines on the front page of the Kansas City Star today: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/535453.html.

Give me liberty
03-18-2008, 06:49 PM
Will these 2,137 state Republican delegates go to ron paul?

Feelgood
03-18-2008, 06:50 PM
With all these stories surfacing, stealth is going to be much more difficult. :D

CoreyBowen999
03-18-2008, 06:52 PM
Is it really only 1/3? i heard it was 2/3

acroso
03-18-2008, 06:57 PM
It's 2/3 of the 20% that have caucused...

kirkblitz
03-18-2008, 07:43 PM
Hilarious, considering what the establishment Republicans did in Louisiana.

lol i thought the same thing