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ZzzImAsleep
03-17-2008, 11:38 PM
Every time I talk to any Obama supporters they laugh at me for liking Ron Paul.

"He doesn't have a chance!" "He sucks!"

But they view Obama as a messiah incapable of making a mistake. They think the recent pastor scandal is meaningless.

Grrr......does any one else get this kind of crap?

clouds
03-17-2008, 11:47 PM
Yes, all the time. I don't know why most diehard Obama fans tend to be diehard jerks. And of course the self-justofication that they're winning their nomination atm... as if that was all that matters.

jblosser
03-18-2008, 12:02 AM
I just ask them why they're voting for him and they never have anything beyond "my girlfriend likes him".

smartguy911
03-18-2008, 12:09 AM
my friend is into black guys and she loves Obama. she said he is hot.

OptionsTrader
03-18-2008, 12:10 AM
You should ask them why they support him and if they know he wants to expand our military obligations across the world, and spend even more money THAT WE DO NOT HAVE on the military than Bush, to keep us safe from the evil-doers like the bait the neocons have bought hook line and sinker. Ask them if they know Obama might attack Iran with our nuclear weapons, and that he will not rule it out. Ask them if they know that he will not commit to pulling all of the troops out of Iraq. Ask them if they know he wants to move troops from Iraq to Pakistan, for a third war. Ask them if they know Obama will defend Israel as if Israel is a state of the United States. Ask them if they know Obama's foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter's national security advisor and co-founder of the Trilateral commission and his foreign policy was geared toward inticing the Soviets to invade Afghanistan, resulting in the death of over a million Afghans, spawning the Mujahedin, Osama bin Laden, and the Taliban.

Tdcci
03-18-2008, 12:10 AM
my friend is into black guys and she loves Obama. she said he is hot.

http://irregulartimes.com/diaries/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/obama%20beach%20photo.jpg

ZzzImAsleep
03-18-2008, 12:23 AM
You should ask them why they support him and if they know he wants to expand our military obligations across the world, and spend even more money THAT WE DO NOT HAVE on the military than Bush, to keep us safe from the evil-doers like the bait the neocons have bought hook line and sinker. Ask them if they know Obama might attack Iran with our nuclear weapons, and that he will not rule it out. Ask them if they know that he will not commit to pulling all of the troops out of Iraq. Ask them if they know he wants to move troops from Iraq to Pakistan, for a third war. Ask them if they know Obama will defend Israel as if Israel is a state of the United States. Ask them if they know Obama's foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter's national security advisor and co-founder of the Trilateral commission and his foreign policy was geared toward inticing the Soviets to invade Afghanistan, resulting in the death of over a million Afghans, spawning the Mujahedin, Osama bin Laden, and the Taliban.

I'm not sure they would listen to that. Usually when I make an argument against Obama it is ignored no matter how sound or factual it is.

OptionsTrader
03-18-2008, 01:17 AM
I'm not sure they would listen to that. Usually when I make an argument against Obama it is ignored no matter how sound or factual it is.

Will they respond to "Why?"

If you get them to talk about WHY, maybe you can lead them into a discussion that will identify the fallacies.

ZzzImAsleep
03-18-2008, 01:19 AM
Will they respond to "Why?"

Probably not.

Veritas1
03-18-2008, 01:30 AM
Just tell them that you'll sure miss them after Obama's elected and they get drafted. Tell them you look forward to all their postcards from Pakistan! Oh, and can you "borrow" their car and girlfriend while they're gone? Be sure to take lots of pictures of them laughing and happy while you can...in case...you know...(Nobody likes pictures of those long military funeral processions with a flag draped coffin and everybody crying and everything).

OptionsTrader
03-18-2008, 01:43 AM
Good one Vertas :)

And while you're telling them that you'll miss them when they are drafted, tell them that even if they are lucky enough not to be drafted when the draft comes, the economy will be so *&*^ed that they will need to enlist just to get a job anyway.

Kotin
03-18-2008, 01:59 AM
http://irregulartimes.com/diaries/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/obama%20beach%20photo.jpg

oh now that is just an answer to comedic prayer.

devil21
03-18-2008, 02:02 AM
http://irregulartimes.com/diaries/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/obama%20beach%20photo.jpg

That picture is 100% Photoshopped! He is built just like me, tall and thin. There is no way Obama is 220 pounds. Getdafukouttahere!

IcyPeaceMaker
03-18-2008, 02:46 AM
We are witnessing a political phenomenon with Barack Obama of rare magnitude. His speeches have inspired millions and yet most of his followers have no idea of what he stands for except platitudes of "Change" or that he says he will be a "Uniter". The power of speech from a charismatic person truly can be a powerful thing. Certainly Billy Graham had charisma and both his manner of speech and particularly the content changed millions. On the extreme other hand, the charisma of Adolph Hitler inspired millions and the results were catastrophic. Barack Obama certainly is no Hitler or a Billy Graham, but for many Americans out there feeling just like a surfer who might be ecstatic and euphoric while riding a tidal wave, the real st ory is what happens when it hits shore. Just Some of What Defines Barack Obama:



· He voted against banning partial birth abortion.

· He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.

· Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.

· In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.

· Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as minimum wage affair.

· Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.

· His religious convictions are very murky.

· He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il andMahmoud Ahmadinejad.

· Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.

· Opposed the Patriot Act.

· First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.

· Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.

· Supports universal health-care.

· Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

· Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

· Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.

· Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform.

· Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.

· Wants to make the minimum wage a "living wage".

· Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.

· Is a big believer in the separation of church and state.

· Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.

· He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax

· He voted No on repealing the "Death" Tax

· He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.

· Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.

· He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing.

If your political choices are consistent with Barack ObamaÂ's and you think that his positions will bring America together or make it a better place, then you will probably enjoy the ride. If you are like most Americans that after examining what he stands for, are truly not in line with his record, it would be prudent to get off the wave or better yet, never get on, before it comes on shore and undermines the very foundations of this great Country. We have limited time to save America or the Supreme Court as we know it. Inaction is action.

OptionsTrader
03-18-2008, 02:54 AM
You need to edit the line about the patriot act.

"Opposed the Patriot act" is not quantitative.

What is relevant is that HE VOTED for the patriot act when it came to the Senate for reauthorization. He can claim he opposes it all he wants, fact is he voted for it.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_el ection%2C_2008/On_renewal_of_the_Patriot_Act

Roll call:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2006-29

LEK
03-18-2008, 07:35 AM
Every time I talk to any Obama supporters they laugh at me for liking Ron Paul.

"He doesn't have a chance!" "He sucks!"

But they view Obama as a messiah incapable of making a mistake. They think the recent pastor scandal is meaningless.

Grrr......does any one else get this kind of crap?

It's called ignorance.

pcosmar
03-18-2008, 07:43 AM
I think you all are making a mistake.
You are trying to counter with logic and reason.
Obama supporters are not capable of these higher thought processes. :D

You have to appeal to their Feelings. :p

Laja
03-18-2008, 08:23 AM
Count Me Out
The Obama Craze

By MATT GONZALEZ

Part of me shares the enthusiasm for Barack Obama. After all, how could someone calling themself a progressive not sense the importance of what it means to have an African-American so close to the presidency? But as his campaign has unfolded, and I heard that we are not red states or blue states for the 6th or 7th time, I realized I knew virtually nothing about him.

Like most, I know he gave a stirring speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. I know he defeated Alan Keyes in the Illinois Senate race; although it wasn't much of a contest (Keyes was living in Maryland when he announced). Recently, I started looking into Obama's voting record, and I'm afraid to say I'm not just uninspired: I'm downright fearful. Here's why:

For the full article: http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez02292008.html

ItsTime
03-18-2008, 08:28 AM
Obamas BLACK wait did you hear OBAMA IS BLACK!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkEUda92a1c

sophocles07
03-18-2008, 08:31 AM
His speeches have inspired millions and yet most of his followers have no idea of what he stands for except platitudes of "Change" or that he says he will be a "Uniter".

I'm at a loss to why his oratory is considered to be so worthy of praise. He uses the same, unvaried, unimpressive 'style' in every speech. It's pathetic. What's more pathetic, the whole fucking country is going wild over this man's sub-par rhetoric.

Just while I'm on this topic: has anyone ever seen a public speaker more predictable in his speech rhythms, more unvaried in his speech rhythms, and more transparent in his presentation than John McCain? The guy is ab-sooo-luuuut-ely horrible.

acptulsa
03-18-2008, 09:11 AM
I'm at a loss to why his oratory is considered to be so worthy of praise. He uses the same, unvaried, unimpressive 'style' in every speech. It's pathetic. What's more pathetic, the whole fucking country is going wild over this man's sub-par rhetoric.

Just while I'm on this topic: has anyone ever seen a public speaker more predictable in his speech rhythms, more unvaried in his speech rhythms, and more transparent in his presentation than John McCain? The guy is ab-sooo-luuuut-ely horrible.

They're both worlds better than Dubya. Our expectations have been lowered considerably over the last seven years.

AisA1787
03-18-2008, 11:28 AM
I don't see why you guys hate Obama so much. Anyone who wants to ban guns, is supported by Qaddafi, and attends a church with a non-negotiable commitment to another country (in this case, Africa) should definitely be our next president.



http://www.icadp.org/page236.html

Obama disagreed. He backed federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement. He cited Texas as an example of a place where a law allowing people to carry weapons has "malfunctioned" because hundreds of people granted licenses had prior convictions.

"National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents," Obama said.



http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY. [Ed: Economic Parity = Socialism]



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335993,00.html

Libyan strongman Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi weighed in on America's presidential campaign, specifically commenting on both Democratic rivals' repeated calls for "change."
"I've seen that in America, a candidate who wants people to vote for him keeps talking about change," Qaddafi said earlier this week in a televised address on Libyan TV, an obvious reference to Barack Obama.
"They all keep saying 'change, change,' " he continued, adding Hillary Clinton to his reference. "They want to change America and its current political system. They want to make a change in their lives. They say their system is a failure, that their government is a failure, and that their elections are a failure."
Qaddafi offered up Libya as a model for "change," predicting that "the whole world will return to the model of the republic of the masses, to communes, to popular security, to popular defense, to popular capitalism, and to popular socialism.
"The whole world will return to the Libyan model," he said.

p.s. I'm kidding. Obama is the worst.

soapmistress
03-18-2008, 11:51 PM
I am not being snarky, OK, but I am a bit confused by a few things on the list - because I'm trying to see where most people on this board would have issue with some of it. It kind of sounded like a list that the McCain camp would use against Obama. I am probably not understanding a lot of the background on these things ?? So could someone clarify why these are on the bad list?

1.) In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing,
wouldn't Ron Paul pardon non-violent drug offenders?

2.) He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il andMahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Aren't we saying peace with all nations, allegiance to none?

3.) Opposed the Patriot Act.

Didn't Ron Paul oppose the patriot act?

4.) Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

Wouldn't we?

5.) Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.

Well, has it? Aren't we asking for withdrawal?

Maybe you others out there have a better grasp on these things than I do cause I don't see where those would conflict with the platform Ron Paul is running on. It sounds like something a NeoCon would say was the bad list. Am I lost??

soapmistress
03-18-2008, 11:52 PM
Thanks for any insight you all can provide.

devil21
03-19-2008, 03:43 AM
I am not being snarky, OK, but I am a bit confused by a few things on the list - because I'm trying to see where most people on this board would have issue with some of it. It kind of sounded like a list that the McCain camp would use against Obama. I am probably not understanding a lot of the background on these things ?? So could someone clarify why these are on the bad list?

1.) In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing,
wouldn't Ron Paul pardon non-violent drug offenders?

- Was Barack even in politics in 2001? Regardless, running for state senate in Chicago as a black man makes perfect sense that he would question that. How many black drug offenders are locked up in that area? It reeks of pandering.

2.) He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il andMahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Aren't we saying peace with all nations, allegiance to none?

- This is pretty much the only thing I would support him on. But is that campaign rhetoric or is it truth? Who knows.

3.) Opposed the Patriot Act.
Didn't Ron Paul oppose the patriot act?

- Hmm, he voted to continue it. Ron Paul doesnt vote for things he opposes. I guess Barack takes a Hillary stance in that he was against but voted for it but is still against it. OK.

4.) Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
Wouldn't we?

- But yet he speaks of bombing Pakistan. Does it matter who you are tormenting or not?

5.) Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
Well, has it? Aren't we asking for withdrawal?

- Only after Hillary became the obvious pro-war Dem candidate. Why has Obama voted repeatedly to fund the war then?

Maybe you others out there have a better grasp on these things than I do cause I don't see where those would conflict with the platform Ron Paul is running on. It sounds like something a NeoCon would say was the bad list. Am I lost??

Response in the quote.

Conza88
03-19-2008, 04:26 AM
OBAMA is NOT BLACK.
He's 50% white, 50% black.

RonRules
03-19-2008, 05:53 AM
Let's look at these in terms of "What would Ron Paul do?"


· He voted against banning partial birth abortion. RP no

· He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. RP no

· Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government. RP no

· In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing. RP yes

· Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as minimum wage affair. RP yes

· Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college. RP ?

· His religious convictions are very murky. RP no

· He is willing to meet with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il andMahmoud Ahmadinejad. RP yes

· Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations. RP yes

· Opposed the Patriot Act. RP yes

· First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform. RP yes

· Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers. RP no

· Supports universal health-care. RP no

· Voted yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. RP yes

· Supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. RP no

· Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants. RP no

· Voted yes on comprehensive immigration reform. RP ?

· Voted yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. RP yes (they need to pay into SS if we don't get them out)

· Wants to make the minimum wage a "living wage". RP no

· Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes. RP no

· Is a big believer in the separation of church and state. RP yes

· Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid. RP no

· He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax RP yes

· He voted No on repealing the "Death" Tax RP yes

· He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax. RP no

· Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded. RP yes

· He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today and that takes some doing. RP no


It's not all black and white !

acptulsa
03-19-2008, 06:01 AM
As mentioned, Barack's rhetoric and his votes often don't coincide. Not the case with Dr. Paul--his voice and his vote agree.

DAFTEK
03-19-2008, 06:23 AM
I'm not worry about Obama anymore, he will not be president after all this hate mongering in his church and his wifes comments which just shows he is nothing but a wolf in sheep skin. Hussein Obomba wanted not to play the race card cuz he knew the baggage he had :D

soapmistress
03-19-2008, 07:54 AM
I don't think he'll win either, and I think he could be *the* worst option on the table. I know, that's a hard draw.

He would make a great shepherd.

Aratus
03-19-2008, 08:17 AM
his speech just highlighted kansas and kenya.
nightline devoted a major story to him last night...

Mahkato
03-19-2008, 08:18 AM
Here's an excellent analysis (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120579535818243439.html) of why people like Obama so much.

sophocles07
03-19-2008, 08:31 AM
OBAMA is NOT BLACK.
He's 50% white, 50% black.

I mean...he's half-black. Why are we picking hairs here?

Kade
03-19-2008, 08:34 AM
Yes, all the time. I don't know why most diehard Obama fans tend to be diehard jerks. And of course the self-justofication that they're winning their nomination atm... as if that was all that matters.

This is almost poetic in its irony, if not for the butchering of the English language.

Aratus
03-19-2008, 08:45 AM
howard dean was an internet phenom until his famous "aaaaaaaaaaaarrrg" an'
the two most internet driven campaigns now are barack obama's and ron paul's!!!

romney sent his own bank accounts into a 42 million dollar media blitz tailspin...
guiliani spends 60 million and has few delegates. admittedly huckabee spent
less than 15 million in or near the bible belt, yet his number of delegates is
equal to romney's, even though he spent only a ninth this grand sum of monies...

Kade
03-19-2008, 08:48 AM
howard dean was an internet phenom until his famous "aaaaaaaaaaaarrrg" an'
the two most internet driven campaigns now are barack obama's and ron paul's!!!

romney sent his own bank accounts into a 42 million dollar media blitz tailspin...
guiliani spends 60 million and has few delegates. admittedly huckabee spent
less than 15 million in or near the bible belt, yet his number of delegates is
equal to romney's, even though he spent only a ninth this grand sum of monies...

Lather. Rinse.

Repeat.

Aratus
03-19-2008, 08:53 AM
the drudge rumour almost had hillary believing drudge...
drudge is a media blitzer person. howard dean was internet.
marshall mcluhan meme~speak. barack obama is internet.
ms. hillary like romney is tres 1990s and media blitzes.

ron paul's ex~HQ guy has this thread that is up to 400+ pages!
i just hopped an' and he's going into how HQ and grassroots communicate...

Aratus
03-19-2008, 08:57 AM
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashhn.htm
this almost ended the dems impasse before it began...

Aratus
03-19-2008, 08:58 AM
methinks personally i think drudge
is just walter winchell's reincarnated ego on steroids...
he assumes he's an internet phenom...

Aratus
03-19-2008, 09:06 AM
this guy got Romney to answer him on the legendary flipflopping
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=119270
and yes, Obama does flipflop yet NONE of ms. hillary's media people
have now done anything like this subtle grassroots slam~dunk...

Aratus
03-19-2008, 09:10 AM
I Say Obama Is A Liberal Flipflopper And That Romney Is A Centrist Flipflopper.

Aratus
03-19-2008, 09:11 AM
obama is quite liberal.
romney can be centrist.

Aratus
03-19-2008, 09:15 AM
...and don't you think both the mccain and hillary people WANT obama
to be labelled a liberal flipflopper as we type, think and watercooler speak?

FormerDemocrat
03-19-2008, 10:57 PM
my friend is into black guys and she loves Obama. she said he is hot.

Woo her out.

Tell her your 'black from the waist down' :p

Anyways, I'm glad I left the Obama camp.
RP people are much more aware of what financial crisis we are heading to.